Greek Mythology: Man Vs. Gods [Advanced] - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS!

[WWWwombat]

No, I actually meant the earlier post where he said that Demeter was probably in the game.

[Basel Gill]

No, I actually meant the earlier post where he said that Demeter was probably in the game.

Okay then, that post makes things even funkier for Des. I hadn't considered it cause I thought you were talking about the other one, but it means that Des has engaged in setup talk twice (once with Demeter and once with Prometheus). This goes on top of his going after Rory for setup talk. (There's gotta be a good face-hugger Alien joke in here somewhere, but I haven't seen Prometheus yet.)

 

Des, you can't go after Rory for doing something that you're doing too. Unvote, vote Des.

 

Rory, you're not off the hook yet with me. Bringing up third-party out of nowhere is still pingy.

[dicetosser1]

 

doesnt innocent child usually have no night actions?

 

Darthe letting Ithi run rampant can also be a good wqay to hammer the mafia early. You arent scared of that are you?

Are you defending hrr on the basis that she will catch mafia?

 

Nope  simply pointing out a possibility. one  we have seen before. its also possible shes mafia   have seen that before too

[Niniel]

Have you seen a confirmed town being mafia?

[hazelkrs1]

I move that anyone who has a so called 'joke vote' placed at the moment unvotes. And then we can get on with the game.

 

All votes placed from this point on should be genuine votes - for whatever reason. And I would recommend you give reasons.

 

Now who's the Sole Arbiter?

 

 

 

 

That said, inf it is Man vs Gods, there would be Prometheus who is a third-party, I think

 

Whoa der! Ping alert!

 

- brings up third party in his second post of the game

- broaches setup talk WAAAAAY too early

- we can't character claim anyways, and even if we could, Prometheus would seem way more townie than 3rd party imo. Demigods can be on the human's side... seems like a really sketchy attempt to sow confusion amidst the town

 

Unvote, Vote Rory BD Pralaya

 

Really? :)

 

So guessing a character without even pointing at anyone is somehow sowing confusion? That too on Day 1 when the whole setup is as open as it can be?

 

Like this?

 

 Either way, even tho character claims aren't allowed, this leads me to believe Demeter is in the game (Persephone's mom). Altho, she def seems like a "good" God, so I don't know how that would fit into the theme if it's Man vs. Gods...

 

Anyways I'm babbling. Let's get the game rolling!

 

 

Yeah, you are.

 

 

Firstly, I think you are confused as to what an "open" setup means. Open setup means everyone knows the setup going in, they know all the roles and mechanics etc., and just have to figure out who got which roles. So on day 1, the setup is actually more closed than ever.

 

Secondly, you are starting setup talk that came from nowhere (Prometheus hadn't been mentioned yet, and there hasn't been any indication he will def be in the game). I was speculating about something that was already revealed. We already know Persephone is in the game, so I was wondering if her mother was.

 

Third, you specifically mentioned he would be third party. What if Prometheus IS in the game, but he's on the mafia team? Then you could try to breadcrumb the concept that he'd actually be a good guy this game, which could end up leading to bad things for town. Setup talk in general isn't usually a good idea, but it's worse if you're trying to actually manipulate others into thinking certain things about alignments of characters, etc.

 

Fourth, my setup talk was a trap, which you so joyfully fell into!

 

 

I agree with Ithi on joke votes.  They suck.

 

Vote: Despot Hera

 

I see what you did there

 

vote ithi

 

She is already trying to take over. Let it live and she will wreak havoc on the game

 

Ithi leads much more as town. I've rarely seen her lead as much when she's scum. So it seems to me someone is scared of an aggressive Ithi.

 

 

No, I actually meant the earlier post where he said that Demeter was probably in the game.

Okay then, that post makes things even funkier for Des. I hadn't considered it cause I thought you were talking about the other one, but it means that Des has engaged in setup talk twice (once with Demeter and once with Prometheus). This goes on top of his going after Rory for setup talk. (There's gotta be a good face-hugger Alien joke in here somewhere, but I haven't seen Prometheus yet.)

 

Des, you can't go after Rory for doing something that you're doing too. Unvote, vote Des.

 

Rory, you're not off the hook yet with me. Bringing up third-party out of nowhere is still pingy.

 

 

I can go after whoever I want for whatever reasons I want. As I stated above, when I was speculating about Demeter, I was going off info that had already been revealed (Persephone's presence). Pral pulled the Prometheus thing out of nowhere. As for me speculating on Prometheus, all I said was that he'd likely be town instead of third party. After all, Persephone is a god, yet is town in this game. Persephone and Demeter were worshipped by many because of their association with the harvest. Prometheus gave mankind perhaps the greatest gift it received after coming into existence (except for the xbox 360 of course). I would think that if Persephone was considered town, then if Prometheus was in the game as well he'd have a greater chance of being town. Of course, that is gaming the mod, but meh, sue me.

 

More importantly however, when I said 

 

 

 Either way, even tho character claims aren't allowed, this leads me to believe Demeter is in the game (Persephone's mom). Altho, she def seems like a "good" God, so I don't know how that would fit into the theme if it's Man vs. Gods...

 

I said the bolded as a trap. I was somewhat confused by the announcement of Persephone being town, considering the theme and my role pm clearly make me believe the Gods are supposed to be the scum in this game. I decided that the fact that Persephone was an Innocent Child however, was probably the reason for this confusion. I think RTE might have put the role/character in the game as either a means of mod-induced wifom, or for balance purposes. Either way, I thought it likely that the scum might try and spring on this and use this to try and breadcrumb the concept of other gods being either good or not scum. So I figured I'd make it look more enticing and laid my trap. I can't say for sure that it worked on Pralaya, he may have come in with the leading setup talk without my post. But I can say with confidence that Pralaya IS scum, for doing exactly what I thought scum might do after Persephone's reveal.

 

And Wombat, kinda disappointed in you. Figured you would have picked up on the trap, seeing as how you saw me do the exact same thing as town in your own game (the trithread game with Darthe). I have often scolded others for the use of setup talk, but the fact is I love using it as a trap for scum when I'm town. As scum, I wait for others to introduce it and see if I have an opportunity to manipulate town from it, I don't introduce it myself.

[hazelkrs1]

TL,DR version:

 

When I speculated about Demeter, and then let myself "ramble" with the faint setup talk, I was trying to trap scum. Pralaya seems to have fallen for it as well, introducing setup talk to a much higher degree, and even bringing up third party (when town should not focus or discuss at all really, until evidence surfaces which makes a third party existence seem possible).

 

I think anyone who tries to use Persephone's reveal as town to try and support the notion that other gods might be good too is probably mafia.

[hazelkrs1]

Have you seen a confirmed town being mafia?

 

Think you got confused, Dice was referring to Ithi, not Hallia, when talking about her possibly being mafia.

 

Innocent child actually being mafia would be the bastardest of bastard mod moves.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Interesting thought.

 

I'm a God.

[Pralaya]

Firstly, I think you are confused as to what an "open" setup means. Open setup means everyone knows the setup going in, they know all the roles and mechanics etc., and just have to figure out who got which roles. So on day 1, the setup is actually more closed than ever.

By open, I meant that the setup can be anything that it is irrelevant. No that everyone know what it is. It is totally opposite to what you are saying.

 

Secondly, you are starting setup talk that came from nowhere (Prometheus hadn't been mentioned yet, and there hasn't been any indication he will def be in the game). I was speculating about something that was already revealed. We already know Persephone is in the game, so I was wondering if her mother was.

 

Third, you specifically mentioned he would be third party. What if Prometheus IS in the game, but he's on the mafia team? Then you could try to breadcrumb the concept that he'd actually be a good guy this game, which could end up leading to bad things for town. Setup talk in general isn't usually a good idea, but it's worse if you're trying to actually manipulate others into thinking certain things about alignments of characters, etc.

Which is irrelevant because you are not allowed to character claim int his game. If someone says he is Prometheus, it is against the rules. Nor if someone says he/she is Demeter. All these are theme talk and nothing else. So, I don't see how it can end up leading to bad things.

Pointing and telling that someone is scum or third party is manipulating, none of which has happened

 

Fourth, my setup talk was a trap, which you so joyfully fell into!

 

Right. Mafia 101.

 

When people call it out, take the easy route and tell that it was a trap.

[hazelkrs1]

Interesting thought.

 

I'm a God.

 

 

This kinda throws me off... don't see Scum Ithi revealing this type of thing right after I said what I did. Hmmm.

[Niniel]

Some thoughts so far:

 

Both Pralaya (who is now Rory?) and Des talked about the set up/possible characters. To the contrary of most here I don´t find that particularly scummy. Des claims that part of it was a trap. lol Yeh, sure...

 

There were some discussion about if Hallia has choosen to be proclaimed town or not. I don´t understand why that was a topic at all. 

 

There were also a discussion about to joke vote or not to joke vote. Sometimes it´s interesting to go back after some days when you have found mafia and look at the first votes. I have seen (mostly inexperienced) mafia vote each other to "distance" from each other. 

 

Ithi is playing agressive as usual. I was going to say that her questioning of Cloud seemed slightly scummy but as I wrote that I was ninja´d. I don´t think she would make that claim if she was mafia.

 

 

 

I agree with Ithi on joke votes.  They suck.

 

Vote: Despot Hera

 

lol 

 

vote ithi

She is already trying to take over. Let it live and she will wreak havoc on the game

 

Strange reason for a vote.

 

 

What I find most noteworthy so far is Basel´s votes. First he votes Pralaya and when Wombat points out that Des also brought up the set up he changed directly. Seems a bit nervous. 

 

Unvote, vote Pralaya. Distracting setup talk, and bringing out the third-party card. Both scummy moves, IMO.

 

And Ithi, in answer to your question, yes, my vote on you was a joke vote, meant to break the ice.

 

 

 

No, I actually meant the earlier post where he said that Demeter was probably in the game.

Okay then, that post makes things even funkier for Des. I hadn't considered it cause I thought you were talking about the other one, but it means that Des has engaged in setup talk twice (once with Demeter and once with Prometheus). This goes on top of his going after Rory for setup talk. (There's gotta be a good face-hugger Alien joke in here somewhere, but I haven't seen Prometheus yet.)

Des, you can't go after Rory for doing something that you're doing too. Unvote, vote Des.

 

Rory, you're not off the hook yet with me. Bringing up third-party out of nowhere is still pingy.

 

 

 

Unvote. Vote Basel

[Ithillian Turambar]

A God is a confirmed Town. I am a God and am Town.

 

Despo says he is not a God.

 

Perhaps our brave little humans are the Mafia Team seeking to overthrow our rightful place in the cosmos.

 

We often get so caught up in bad and good that we forget that actually it's us vs them.

 

Unvote - Vote Despo

[hazelkrs1]

@Pralaya: I get what you're saying, but again, an "open setup" is pretty much the opposite of what it seems you're describing. And you're right, you can't character claim, so most of what we're talking about IS theme talk, and not setup talk as much. The third party thing however, is definitely setup talk, no ifs ands or buts about it. Again, town doesn't need to worry about something which may not exist (unless you're trying to tell us something... you third party Rory?), it needs to worry about finding scum.

 

@Ithi: Okay lemme put it this way. My role pm makes it extremely clear to me that the mafia team are Gods. So yes, I'm human, and no, I'm not mafia. I'm wondering what you're pulling right now. But if I get lynched for being human in this game, I will emorage like yall have never seen before.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Sounds wonderful. I can't wait to see it.

 

Can you do it like Homer's Odyssey?

[hazelkrs1]

 

I'm going to bed.

[dicetosser1]

despo do u work nights and weekends?

[mcs0083]

Hello everyone! Good luck and good game.

[mcs0083]

 

Firstly, I think you are confused as to what an "open" setup means. Open setup means everyone knows the setup going in, they know all the roles and mechanics etc., and just have to figure out who got which roles. So on day 1, the setup is actually more closed than ever.

By open, I meant that the setup can be anything that it is irrelevant. No that everyone know what it is. It is totally opposite to what you are saying.

 

Secondly, you are starting setup talk that came from nowhere (Prometheus hadn't been mentioned yet, and there hasn't been any indication he will def be in the game). I was speculating about something that was already revealed. We already know Persephone is in the game, so I was wondering if her mother was.

 

Third, you specifically mentioned he would be third party. What if Prometheus IS in the game, but he's on the mafia team? Then you could try to breadcrumb the concept that he'd actually be a good guy this game, which could end up leading to bad things for town. Setup talk in general isn't usually a good idea, but it's worse if you're trying to actually manipulate others into thinking certain things about alignments of characters, etc.

Which is irrelevant because you are not allowed to character claim int his game. If someone says he is Prometheus, it is against the rules. Nor if someone says he/she is Demeter. All these are theme talk and nothing else. So, I don't see how it can end up leading to bad things.

Pointing and telling that someone is scum or third party is manipulating, none of which has happened

 

Fourth, my setup talk was a trap, which you so joyfully fell into!

 

Right. Mafia 101.

 

When people call it out, take the easy route and tell that it was a trap.

 

 

Well isn't Mafia itself just one big trap?

 

 

I'm going to like this game. Being a god is going to be so much fun :) Anywho, I'm all caught up, and the people I'm somewhat familiar playing with seem to be up to their typical day one shenanigans  while those who I am not familiar with are of course not as easy to read. Nothing sticking out to me as of yet, but we're only on page 5.

[WWWwombat]

Calm down DespotHera. You're not the only one who can lay traps.

 

And I would say that given the theme of the game it is likely that Prometheus is in it and that he is town. Not that it matters though. I will be basing my scumhunting on gameplay rather than flavor. As always.

 

unvote

Vote: Basel

 

Tina already explained why.

[berf]

Mafia leads:

 

Basel - flip flop voting, backing down very easy as if not trying cause waves

Desp - the wot on day 1? Plus overexplaining, somewhat contradictory, and I feel as though he should be smart enough to see Praya's posts for what they are - posts of a smart person who gets mafia, doesn't quite know the ettiquite of these parts though yet. My vibes anyway. Feels like a reach case. Plus - trap? Really?

Darthe - this isnt his first game with Ithi. Strange. Eyes on.

Cloud - BECAUSE ERNIE PRANG IS THE PERFECT 3RD PARTY ROLE YOU BASTARD!

 

 

OK joking about the last about cloud.

 

Vote Basel - way too mutable of an opinion there my friend.

Desp is next. But Darthe that is curious commentary.

[berf]

Bout to pitch this damn phone across the room.

 

Vote Basel

[berf]

Also human/god is no factor on alignment. I believe Ithi and she is a God, and I believe me and I'm a human. I believe that might be a wasted avenue of investigation at this stage, but we'll see a couple of flips and check the situation.

[Darthe]

What a boring Basel train. Did des really just pull an EP??

 

Ithi is def mafia. I wouldn't be grtting this sort of heat for saying it otherwise, she wouldnf have needed to claim (which btw means nothing), and town Ithi would habe immediately responded to my accusation.

[Hallia]

So there are probably some bad humans/Gods working together.    I don't think that many people would pipe up if it were all one way or the other.

[Basel Gill]

What a boring Basel train. Did des really just pull an EP??

You mean, by doing something incredibly scummy, and then when people saw how scummy it was, backtracking and making up a line of bull about it being a trap? Yeah, I think he did.