Merlin Mafia [Advanced!]- Town Wins!!!

[Tyler Glembo]

I would be interested in that Iso.  Wombat looks fine and who teh helz is Razen?  

 

 

 That is one thing I wish DM had that MafiaScum has.....an ISO button.

[Tyler Glembo]

I would be interested in that Iso.  Wombat looks fine and who teh helz is Razen?  

 

 

Oh, and Razen is lurking scum.  Lynch material.

[Tyler Glembo]

Now where's csarmi and his fab way of figuring out if weirdly formatted text was indeed from a QT or not?

 

 

 

...wich is why no-one is voting just because of that? I pointed it out, so that it could be noted, but no-one voted Tiink just over formatting.

 

  

Thorum's setting up lynches.... FoS for that.

Fluffs about the joke vote issue.

I also find Thorum's reason to vote Kaylee to be pure BS. There is a bunch of people not voting; why pick out Kaylee specifically? I'm not voting so far.

 

Wait, now I am. Vote Thorum

 

 

 

Setting up lynches is when you say "If this player flips town, we'll look at this perosn afterwards". Basically what you do is put the responsibility over on the other person, and you ready people for tomorrow's lynch. It's called scummy play. Is this your first game or something?

 

And I don't understand this sentence at all: "Because he/she was the first person where I could connect someone who already had a vote with someone not having voted."

 

 

Apparantly you're not there with me 100%... Because Kaylee is not on any lynch. That was the point. He said he disliked people who didn't vote, and voted Kaylee because she hadn't voted. There were several who hadn't voted yet at that stage.

 

 

Thorum: I still don't understand why those things would make Kaylee your logical choice. So someone had voted her, but she hadn't placed a vote yet. You think that is voteworthy because...?

 

 

 

Because when you say "If X flips town, we should look at Y tomorrow because of reasons", then you're taking the responsibility away from yourself; you've linked those two players, making player Y responsible for X's flip. Now if you're mafia and both X and Y is town, wich you'd know, then your hands are clean and you have nudged town in the direction you want. That is scummy. Capiche?

 

 

Neither had I, but you didn't vote me. Or Krak or whoever else hadn't voted by that point.

 

 

 

But ha gave a lazy and non-logical reason. It's fine to vote someone because they haven't voted; but then why kaylee out of the non-voters? If he did a flip of the coin; that would have been fine. But he tries to act like he has a reason for voting her, when that reason could have fitted any number of people at the time.

 

 

No, then I call it luck.

 

 

 

I'm not masons with Kaylee; nor mafia with her either.

 

I wasn't defending her to Thorum; I was prodding at his weak logic in general. Wich he just kinda abandoned instead of trying to make sense of it, I don't know if anyone else noticed. And don't blame me for Kaylee not questioning and defending me; I'm not responsible for that.

 

 

Well that's two votes on me that nobody's bothered to explain, plus Hallia still has her "joke" vote on me. Why Hallia?

 

I think I must have spooked the mafia somehow, not sure why, but I'll roll with it

 

 

I didn't even know Thorum had played much before... He certainly doesn't come off like a seasoned player.

 

 

I find that to be kinda adequate amount of posts. I wish there was more from them; but as long as we're still on D1... A lot of people are more quiet on D1. I tend to be quite often. And lynching inactives on D1 is stupid. We need information; not trimming the numbers.

 

 

Arrgh, I so hate it when PRs are forced out into the open so early.

 

I'm gonna Vote Basel. He should know he's one of the highest lynch targets now, and he comes on only to unvote and doesn't say anything else... Not liking it at all.

 

 

I'm apparantly scummy all over recently.

 

Wombat, last time I checked, I did indeed vote. Twice. Get your facts straight, eh?

 

 

Emotional? Lol I just stated a fact

 

 

Peace: No I just find it fascinating, I wonder what I'm doing different lately.

 

 

I vote when I feel confident in my vote; I'm not gonna start voting willy-nilly just to please you Wombat. I rarely, if ever, vote only to apply pressure. I vote when I think I've caught the faint smell of mafia.

 

 

But the big question is... Why?

 

 

Well, I do hate it.

 

 

Bolded purple: And who do you propose that is the fairly new mafia? As far as I know, it's all pretty seasoned players in this game. That is just not thought through at all and feels like mafia trying to put the blame on the new ones (wich is always so easy to do), except... There are no new ones. Oops.

 

That combined with the other mess you're sprouting now...

 

Vote Chuckles

 

 

 

Well you are saying the most logical choice for a NK would be Kaylee if it was a fairly new mafia. But there are no fairly new players. So it's your logic that's horrible, not mine. And to me it looks like you're trying to distance yourself away from the mafia, with the idea of a new mafia, since you are not a new player.

 

 

Lol fairly new? I've been playing here for almost a year, and I think I'm closing in on 30 games.

 

 

Okay, here are all of Mish's quotes except for her "hello all" on page 2 which is missing.  Very unaccountable and taking positions that are already fairly well established by others, IMO.  Maybe that is what is bothering me.  The fact that the answers are consistently succinct, minimal casing but instead voting on what seems to be the easiest lynch/scummiest person at the moment, the super-townie outrage over a PR being forced out, etc.

 

It's weak, but that's all.  I think mafia tend to play games of least accountability and Mish has done exactly that to this point. 

 

One other thing I noticed is that multiple other people called out Mish but didn't follow through.  Dap called her out for her "townie outrage" and said he could bring up plenty of other scummy things she had done but never did.  Somebody else did too though now I forget who it was.  I'll have to go back and check. 

[WWWwombat]

Ironic. I started playing here in February 2012. But sure, Vet

You play a lot. I was on the fence about you, but gave you the benefit of the doubt.

 

Just because you've played a lot of games doesn't mean you're done learning. Every time I think I know it all, someone disabuses me of that notion rather rudely. I've needed four such lessons so far and as educational and humbling as they are, I'd rather not need another.

[WWWwombat]

And it was probably me that you remember calling out Mish, TGlems. Rest assured, I'm not unwilling to follow up on that after we've lynched you. Your rather strong reaction to my one vote seals it to you even further.

[Darthe]

 

Ironic. I started playing here in February 2012. But sure, Vet

You play a lot. I was on the fence about you, but gave you the benefit of the doubt.

 

Just because you've played a lot of games doesn't mean you're done learning. Every time I think I know it all, someone disabuses me of that notion rather rudely. I've needed four such lessons so far and as educational and humbling as they are, I'd rather not need another.

 

 

Likewise, I get a lot of harsh lessons in how to play still =p  

[Vambram]

Goodnight y'all. Its time for me to go to work tonight. But, I shall return online to Dragonmount at around 7pm central USA time on Thursday. 

[Razen]

A couple of points I'm seeing:

 

1.  Regarding the whole character claim scenario.  In a scenario where Hally had already claimed cop, it's telling that a) she claimed that she was blocked and b)nobody had countered her claim.  I'm not getting why the character claim was so important to you, Thorum.  It's the roles that are more important, IMO.  You've answered the question, but I don't agree.  Had this been day 1 after Hally made the claim, I'd have agreed with the character claim, but in this case, I don't see why it was necessary.

 

2.  I think that Tigraine is making a good point about Krak.  He's been tunneling for almost the entire game - it was Basel on day 1 and now it appears to be Tigraine on day 2 for believing that a kill on the SK is a bad move for mafia. 

 

You said this in one of your posts...



"My vig conversation was solely with lolguy and Tiinker - it didn't reflect your conversation on the same topic."

I didnt want a WoT

Anyway, the WHOLE reason they were having this discussion was because of MY opinion that killing a vig/sk was a bad idea.

 

The above is interesting to me though - I took this as an emotional response, and if what she quoted from Krak is true, it's interesting that he perceived that there were 2 different conversations on the topic going on.  Considering that Tiink, Chuckles, Krak, and Tigs were all asking about the same thing that it'd be considered all under the same umbrella.  The fact that it's not is concerning to me.  Is there something I'm missing here?

 

3. Me, a vet?  I'm flattered, but I wouldn't consider myself one.

[dapianoplay3r]

1. Vambram - newish (been playing for a while but not very often)

2. Darthe - vet

3. Basel  Hunith, vanilla town, lynched Day 1 - vet

4. lolguy26 - new

5. Krakalakachkn - old but rusty

6. 鲍勃不是我的名字 - old

7. Hallia - new

8. Wwwombat - old

9. dapianoplay3r - oldish

10. Tigraine - old but rusty

11. peacesells - creaky bones, get off his lawn

12. Rhea - new

13. Tiinker - newish

14. alannalynn - oldish but rusty

15. Kaylee Nimueh, Serial Killer, killed Night 1 - new

16. TGlems - new

17. Despothera - vet

18. Mish - new

19. Razen - vet

20. Thorum - ancient

  

 

"Zombie" is probably a better description for my ancientness, seeing I've been dead for a year.

And you're not that much less old than I am, aren't you?

 

 

I'm new compared to you and Peace.  My first forum game was Talya's Christmas game in 2009:

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/42559-mafia-a-christmas-tale-mafia-won/

I'm pretty sure my first game was directly after this or possibly during this game...

 

 

I never knew I was as old as you about this

[Tigraine]

I'll try to be as clear as I can. I have no beef with you or any dealings, mentionings, or uses regarding the word vig specifically. It was the overly helpful manner and overplay of "I'm town, let me show you" that made me suspect.

My vig conversation was solely with lolguy and Tiinker - it didn't reflect your conversation on the same topic.

 

 

So it's not scummy when you answer a question meant for someone else but it IS when I do it?

As far as the above quote, I did answer a question meant for someone else, unlike you who actually posed the question asking "why would they kill a vig/sk?" You did not answer a question meant for someone else, at least, not as far as my statements were concerned.

 

 

My resulting statement was then, responding again to the quote above, that it very well can be scummy for one person to answer a question meant for someone else, but that it's not scummy for every person and every scenario. If Wombat were acting very scummy and most thought so, Tiinker posed a direct question, and Basel came out of nowhere to answer it for Wombat....well, that might be more suspect than me answering a question for Tiinker on the topic of a vig.

 

 

 

 

No I know what you meant. It's just not true.

then why ?

Vig is more likely to hit town, at least at first.

 

Vig is more likely to hit town, at least at first.

My point exactly!! So why the vote on me if you agree with that point?

 

In fact, I never stated exactly why/how I found you scummy enough to vote for you (at that time). It was you who linked my vote on you with your vig statements (as seen above).

The blue part is what I was referring to.

[alannalynn]

Long day, multiple doctors because grandparents had appointments today too, but I'm back. My lovely hand is in a splint, no more cast!!! :D But it's entirely too stiff and I can't bend me fingers because it hurts too much. :/ Time to get serio. Pardon all the snarkiness. Or take it in. Welcome the snarkinesss. It's wonderful and tasty..

 

This didn't start out being a case/kinda case on Thorum but it may have ended up that way anyways. Meh.

 

Firstly, not a fan of people telling Kaylee what to do with her nightkill. Namely, Wombat, Despo
It's just ugly giving suggestions and saying what the mafia are likely to do (womby did this) because that sets up expectations. Anyways, it's all up to how you want to play the game with your role, not somebody else's backseat driving.

 

FOS Thorum for skimming. (Yes I know this was already touched upon) The way I see it, she claimed at the end of page 18, you posted that she didn't claim at all on page 21, post#420, immediately after Kaylee is asking for suggestions on who to kill. This was just awkward play all around. You correct yourself later in the post, but were you skimming all of the posts after she claimed or did you just not read them until the last page? And character fishing the claimed cop? And so pushily! Later, this by Despy. And I have to 100% agree about your flubbing facts.

I never saw Hallia refuse to give a character claim. You misrepresenting that seems extremely scummy to me.

Back to you further on..

 

Notbob's vote on Tinker is so day one. That'd be like me voting Notbob right now because I still dont like how he changed his vote. I'm getting a generally town vibe from Tiink anyways, which I stated earlier

 

 

Why don't we go for Occams Razor for now?

 

Didn't see his name on the player list?

 

Ha.

 

Tig's extensive beffudlement is well... befuddling. Debating the wifom feels like a huge distraction from scumhunting

 

{...}

On Des' questions:

- Halia never told who her character is, notwithstanding her having posted a couple of time since that time. This would prove she was town, and would not help mafia. I call that "refusing", how you call that is your choice.

{...}

 

As soon as Halia says who she is, I'll probably change my vote to Wombat. He's defending me WAY too much, which means he probably knows I'm not mafia, which means HE likely IS. Does that even make any sense?

I just kept these two points. A) ignoring/missing is not refusing. Like you ignoring Kay's claim. Did you refuse to understand a roleclaim? Haha no.  B) Ever heard of a tell? Not defending Wombat but um, just because somwone thinks you are town dont mean they scum. False logic there. . I think youve been far too pushy about the Hallia thing, honestly. And stubborn as jello.

 

 

 

 

unvote and vote wombat

 

 

Well, THAT's a strong claim ;D

 

Yeah..I don't get the point of what you were trying to accomplish?

 

 

Making her claim stronger. We had someone who claimed to have an important role, of which there could have been multiple in this game. Now we have a confirmed townie (if no-one counterclaims being Arthur).

 

What is Tigraine doing that's scummy? Someone very unexpected was nightkilled. Only one person (so far) tried to question why, and she immediately gets two votes because she questions it ...    Krak and lolguy, why was kaylee the logical choice for a nightkill in your opinion?

 

Agreeing with Peace here. But Thorum, didnt you state that you didnt necessarily think that a CC was the option? Why keep it going to this extent, like welcoming a CC? Fishing fishing.

 

Chuckles is pinging a bit for me but it feels like votes are building up a little fast. He just seems to be trying to make anything fit how he likes in the scheme of things, like he KNOWS the answer to everything. Also, my first game was in 2010.

 

And Im done here Im just too tired gahh. Vote Thorum. You've been pinging me far too much this game. I'm willing to switch to Chuckles or Mish for a majority when we get closer.

[lolguy26]

Well you are saying the most logical choice for a NK would be Kaylee if it was a fairly new mafia. But there are no fairly new players. So it's your logic that's horrible, not mine. And to me it looks like you're trying to distance yourself away from the mafia, with the idea of a new mafia, since you are not a new player.

 

eh mish....i am (i think) the newest player here 

[lolguy26]

Is everyone here as experienced as mish wants us to believe?

 

Also, chuckles is very quiet about it, but he did EXACTLY the same thing as krak. Hence: unvote and vote chuckles.

 

i was asleep dude

 

(timezones and such)

 

 

what am i very quiet about?

[Thorum]

Des:

 

-          If skimming is evil, then sure as hell, I am the devil. I type my responses as I read the posts. And yes, I missed the first post where she claimed. Who doesn’t miss a post from time to time?

-          I did NOT fish for a couterclaim. I even said why it shouldn’t happen. I fished for the maximum amount of evidence for her claim. Which she gave.

 

Chuckles, why does questioning a strange nightkill make tigraine evil? I think you have posted between the question being asked and this vote. The first part also is about why I voted you: you claimed there was a mafia with only new players. Which you not only cannot know as town, but you can find out it cannot be true by watching the list of players in this game (which doesn't have many new players). Thirdly, the wombat-vote isn't taking of (for understandable reasons, my reasoning only works for myself). And fourthly, yours IS taking of.  Four reasons why my vote changed to you at that point in time. Only the first potentially having anything to do with timezones (if I'm wrong about you having posted between question & vote). And I have no intension on changing it.

[dapianoplay3r]

If you skim that much we should policy lynch you until you learn your lesson

[lolguy26]

If you properly read my posts you'd see I did not vote her for questioning why there's a NK but for trying to sell the whole I'm a confused townie act too hard and secondly I didn't say the mafia team was new I was just stating possiblities

[michellem]

 

Well you are saying the most logical choice for a NK would be Kaylee if it was a fairly new mafia. But there are no fairly new players. So it's your logic that's horrible, not mine. And to me it looks like you're trying to distance yourself away from the mafia, with the idea of a new mafia, since you are not a new player.

 

eh mish....i am (i think) the newest player here 

 

 

No, Hallia is.

[Rhea]

Rhea3, the red is not a threat, but a precaution/terrible joke.

 

Krak, if you agree that it`s a strange nightkill: why vote tigraine?

 

It wasn't the red I was referring to. 

 

Thorum, on 12 Jun 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

Hallia: who are you and who did you target?

 

Just so I remember we still haven't gotten an answer to that: Hallia

 

For all clarity: I'll unvote as soon as we get her answer (well, unless she claims to be who I am).

 

I was referring to the "Unless she claims to be who I am" part. That is what sounded off to me. Frankly it looks like you are soft claiming here, very softly. 

But still I find it an odd statement to make.

[Thorum]

I meant blue, not red 

[Rhea]

Still...I find it a very odd statement. As I do with a lot of what you've been saying since this game began. JMO.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

I would be interested in that Iso.  Wombat looks fine and who teh helz is Razen?  

 

 

 That is one thing I wish DM had that MafiaScum has.....an ISO button.

 

 

What is an ISO button?

[Tyler Glembo]

 

What is an ISO button?

 

 

On the mafia scum website you can isolate "ISO" a single person's posts.  So basically you can click "show all posts by NotBob" and it will show every post you made.  Makes it easy.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Rhea3, the red is not a threat, but a precaution/terrible joke.

 

Krak, if you agree that it`s a strange nightkill: why vote tigraine?

 

It wasn't the red I was referring to. 

 

Thorum, on 12 Jun 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

Hallia: who are you and who did you target?

 

Just so I remember we still haven't gotten an answer to that: Hallia

 

For all clarity: I'll unvote as soon as we get her answer (well, unless she claims to be who I am).

 

I was referring to the "Unless she claims to be who I am" part. That is what sounded off to me. Frankly it looks like you are soft claiming here, very softly. 

But still I find it an odd statement to make.

 

 

Good observation.  

 

@ Thorum, what was that commentary about?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

What is an ISO button?

 

 

On the mafia scum website you can isolate "ISO" a single person's posts.  So basically you can click "show all posts by NotBob" and it will show every post you made.  Makes it easy.

 

 

Nice feature.  How do we get that here?  

[michellem]

Nag at the admins?