Merlin Mafia [Advanced!]- Town Wins!!!

[Kaylee]

As far as lynching inactives, that may be better later in the game. Harder to get good information from thier lynch D1. Weekends tend to be slow and some can't get online on the weekends.

[alannalynn]

Now where's csarmi and his fab way of figuring out if weirdly formatted text was indeed from a QT or not?

Mish is the first to drop the formatting thing. Not sure what the aim here is, thats why it pings. Actual joining in to the conversation would do moore good than dropping a line..

 

Anyway, back to business.  This exchange between Tiink and Wombat has me interested.  I think that all votes are placed for a reason.  I firmly believe that someone intends something behind their vote, otherwise they wouldn't place it.  That's why I don't believe in joke votes.  Now, what that reason is, that's a whole different game.

 

I'm liking responses so far from Wombat.  I've got pings from AJ and Not Bob right now - Not Bob for his vote situation when he came in and fixed his vote, only to change it immediately afterward, and AJ for her responses to Tiink.  As for Tiink, I'm not getting a read either way yet.  I agree with AJ in that he appears defensive, but I'm also agreeing with some of what he's saying - he got the discussion going with the talk of jokes or not jokes in voting.

Raz's post, very much taking all sides. He agrees with pretty much everyone on this post. Wombat apparently already tagged this post. hm.

 

I dont like how i comment on Tiink being ddefensive, then Vambram and Basel jump on it and both voted Tiink, pages 7,8.

 

Firstly, unvote

 

alanna's tactic of making it 3-1-1-1-1-1 as opposed to 2-2-1-1-1-1 did wonders to get this game started. However, if Tiinker gets lynched and turns out town, we know who's first to look at.

 

The discussion about joke votes having to be taken into account cannot be taken in general, and depends on who's playing, and 'knowing' how they play. It's been too long since I last played (and about half of you I never even played with), so I cannot deduct anything from that.

 

However, I still hate people not voting. Hence, kaylee

This post really pings. First for Thorum setting up my lynch (i dont see why i should be lynched if tiink flips town?) and secondly for his reasons for voting kaylee. I know he explained the Kaylee thing later, but i really didnt buy it when i read it the first time.. nor now.

 

Despo, I went to the Waffle House for breaky after I saw that waffle. It was yummy.

 

 

But ha gave a lazy and non-logical reason. It's fine to vote someone because they haven't voted; but then why kaylee out of the non-voters? If he did a flip of the coin; that would have been fine. But he tries to act like he has a reason for voting her, when that reason could have fitted any number of people at the time.

 

The reason he picked her instead of you or Krak is because she had the most votes and it's easier to lynch someone with more votes.  For instance, I find you and Kaylee both to be extremely scummy, but i am going to vote Kaylee because she is more likely to be lynched.  I actually find Razen scummier than either of you, but keeping my vote there is fruitless as it appears no one is willing to join me.  Voting isn't just about who you think is mafia.  It's also about what effect your vote is likely to have and what you learn from the lynch.

 

unvote

Vote: Kaylee

 

I like this vote for multiple reasons. A. I agree with many points. B. Maybe if Kaylee flips town, we can lynch Womby tomorrow, according to Thorums sentiments. C. The underlined. This is so true, i cant even.

 

[...]

Less than a year ago, Alanna's and Thorum's votes would have been totally normal within DM meta as ways of getting the game moving. But now they are scummy for no other reason than that people are not used to it.

And this. I think its moot whether we were in the RVS or not when I voted Tiink anyways. I wanted to get things started. I was a little awkward about it. Sorry.

 

Nobody else finds it odd that Hally seems to be blatantly buddying up to Mish?  Spotty reasoning or not, she just fired up the proverbial chainsaw as well.  Noted.

 

Agreed here

 

I had more in this reread but realized that I dont like how a lot of people are acting and i cant fos the whole game. Im okay with a Kaylee or Hallie vote right now. Hallie would give info on Mish I think. Basel and Razen are also up there on my list.

[Kaylee]

Unvote

 

Vote Hally

 

I agree about Razen and would be willing to go that route.

[Hallia]

Of course you would be, it'd save your skin.  If given the choice between Basel and you, I would say you're the better lynch candidate for the day.

 

Unvote

Vote Kaylee

[Vambram]

Unvote Tiinker

 

The last few pages of this game has really confused me. I know that I have not posted as much as one might expect from me. For that I apologize. I have re-read those pages at least three times and I am still confused. I shall have to re-read this game thread a few more times before the deadline before I vote on the lynch. 

[dapianoplay3r]

As far as lynching inactives, that may be better later in the game. Harder to get good information from thier lynch D1. Weekends tend to be slow and some can't get online on the weekends.

That's ridiculous. Lunching inactives is a hard thing to do regardless. The further into the game you go the harder it gets cos the mafia have a greater majority % compared to the start (most if the time)

So instead of aiding them 1/12 or whatever's it is, it ends up as 1/6 th

A far greater blow to the town if its an inactive town (which is always more likely)

[Kaylee]

That makes sense. I was just thinking, as stated, we won't get as much info from lynching inactives atm. Makes sense that it helps scum.

[WWWwombat]

I find that to be kinda adequate amount of posts. I wish there was more from them; but as long as we're still on D1... A lot of people are more quiet on D1. I tend to be quite often. And lynching inactives on D1 is stupid. We need information; not trimming the numbers.

I find it to be shamefully inadequate. 2 or 3 posts 15 pages in? Really? Furthermore, you championing the idea of D1 information is kind of curious given that you don't seem to like to participate in D1. Lynching inactives early is actually the best time to do it. As Dap said, the later it gets in the game, the harder it gets to do it. Also, inactives get more and more dangerous as the game drags on. That being said, I think a Kaylee lynch is fine for D1. We can reassess inactives on D2.

[Kaylee]

Of course you would be, it'd save your skin. If given the choice between Basel and you, I would say you're the better lynch candidate for the day.

 

Unvote

Vote Kaylee

Thank you for putting thoughts in of your own. Nice OMGUS btw. Why given a choice between Basel and I? Because he's the other train atm or because you find him scummy?

[Kaylee]

I'm going to bed. I should have time to post in the morning.

[peacesells]

Unvote Tiinker

 

The last few pages of this game has really confused me. I know that I have not posted as much as one might expect from me. For that I apologize. I have re-read those pages at least three times and I am still confused. I shall have to re-read this game thread a few more times before the deadline before I vote on the lynch.

I'd say your participation is meeting my expectations for you.

[Vambram]

*chuckles at the snarkiness from peacesells*

 

 

If my real life was not so super busy, then I would be able to make better contributions to this mafia game. 

[peacesells]

Hey at least I now know your play is the same every game and I'm not immediately calling you scum for it.

[Vambram]

Thank you for your honesty, peacesells.

 

 

Goodnight, everyone. I will return online on Dragonmount Sunday night after I finish two assignments for my online class with Columbia College.

[hazelkrs1]

I'm not masons with Kaylee; nor mafia with her either.

 

I wasn't defending her to Thorum; I was prodding at his weak logic in general. Wich he just kinda abandoned instead of trying to make sense of it, I don't know if anyone else noticed. And don't blame me for Kaylee not questioning and defending me; I'm not responsible for that.

 

I'm not going to get into the whole "What constitutes defending" argument. Waste of time. Others have said it, but you were def doing the 'ol chainsaw defense thing. Attacking someone who's voting for player X = Defending player X, in a roundabout way.

 

That being said, Thorum's logic was pretty weak (no offense to him, but it kinda seems like his logic is often a bit weak from what I've seen). And I will say, that Kaylee's defending you after you defended her was def a lot worse. A good player should always be wary of those defending or buddying up to them, the fact that Kaylee chainsaw defended you after you had her looks worse by comparison.

 

I'm not gonna vote yet cause there is still plenty of time to vote.

 

vote mish

 

Lol trolling me Peace?

 

I wasn't defending Mish. I was asking for a reason from Darthe for his vote. I've been doing that of everyone. I amnot scum. I typically play this way D1 because I don't know who to vote for.

 

See above in my response to Mish. Peeps need to quit acting like they're not defending someone when they are, even in a more subtle manner. If someone started lambasting some dictator on silly reasons, you wouldn't call them out for it, cause they're attacking a dictator. Prob a stupid example but w/e.

 

At end of p 11. Des, I`ve explained both why `setting up votes'is not scummy AND why I voted Kaylee. The latter very thoroughly. Why do you want me to repeat myself?

 

I never saw any explanation for why setting up lynches isn't scummy that was even close to satisfactory, and realistically I never will. It's just a scummy move man, period. It's a rather obvious attempt at leading the town.

 

And I never questioned your vote on Kaylee, at least not in the sense that I questioned you directly. I find Kaylee scummy myself incidentally, doesn't mean that your reasons for voting her did look pretty weird.

 

Nobody else finds it odd that Hally seems to be blatantly buddying up to Mish?  Spotty reasoning or not, she just fired up the proverbial chainsaw as well.  Noted.

 

I find it odd that you don't seem interested in responding to any of the fos's on you.

 

But yeah, Hallia was def buddying, and her play looks sketchy as well.

 

 

 

I'm not trying to trap you. I have no beef with you and no read on you. I'm trying to demonstrate why I think certain paradigms in the DM meta are undesirable.

 

I never have any beef with anyone in mafia, so I hope that my responses didn't come off that way. 

 

One thing I have noticed in mafia is that the more experienced players often use the "let me help by explaining mafia concepts" card to lure people (especially new players) into thinking they are town.  So far you have soft defended NotBob and Thorum.  You have also spent a significant amount of time "helping" town by discussing joke votes, etc, which to me only takes away from scum hunting.  In my mind you are trying very hard to gain town cred with "helpful" discussions without actually scumhunting or advancing the game.  unvote, vote Wombat

 

I find it interesting that you talk about a trap.  It's never a bad thing to share thoughts, with the caveat that you present them as your own and are clear that you aren't answering for the other person.  You presenting it as a trap is a clever way to get around sharing what you think.

 

 

I had shared my thoughts on the subject, but Wombat was asking me about something Kaylee had put forth.  I considered it a leading question and thus, a trap. 

 

 

That is pretty weak wombat and is a defense as well.

You can chalk me up as having defended Thorum if you want. I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary from him. Kaylee is a much better lynch.

 

 

 

In the same post you say Wombat is trying to gain town cred without actual scumhunting, while also quoting a post of Wombat clearly stating his read on someone. Wombat isn't really known for being extremely verbose when it comes to calling someone out for being scummy, and I've seen him case Razen, Kaylee, Mish I think... I think your vote on him is completely trumped.

 

You're def pinging to me lately TG.

 

Also, I'd be comfortable lynching Krak, Vam, or Darthe.  14 pages in and 2, 2, and 3 posts respectively.  If we are ever going to start policy lynching inactivity on DM there's never a better time to start than the present.

 

Once again, lynching inactives day 1 is a bad idea. Too easy to blind lynch a PR. Scummies tend to push the whole "Let's lynch inactives early" stuff in my experience as well.

 

 

Also, I'd be comfortable lynching Krak, Vam, or Darthe.  14 pages in and 2, 2, and 3 posts respectively.  If we are ever going to start policy lynching inactivity on DM there's never a better time to start than the present.

 

I'm in if we want to lynch the inactive.

 

 

Also, I'd be comfortable lynching Krak, Vam, or Darthe.  14 pages in and 2, 2, and 3 posts respectively.  If we are ever going to start policy lynching inactivity on DM there's never a better time to start than the present.

 

A little over eager? Still Day 1 brah. Give it a few days.

 

 

What more do you expect from day 1?  Scum to declare themselves and we vote from there?

 

I find that to be kinda adequate amount of posts. I wish there was more from them; but as long as we're still on D1... A lot of people are more quiet on D1. I tend to be quite often. And lynching inactives on D1 is stupid. We need information; not trimming the numbers.

 

We gain information from lynches.  The town needs to identify who is willing to vote whom and sometimes more importantly who is unwilling to vote whom.

 

 

Just wanna put this out there NotBob, your tone and demeanor this game is a lot different from the last DM game I remember playing with you, and even if I disagree on certain points, I find it much more helpful and respectful than just about any other jackass I've seen from the JN crowd before. I know you're doing absolutely nothing for my benefit, just wanted to throw that out there.

 

[...]

Despo, I went to the Waffle House for breaky after I saw that waffle. It was yummy.

[...]

 

 

Waffles are yummy. My hotel makes amazing belgian waffles.

 

Waffles >>> Pancakes, and I don't even dislike pancakes.

 

Btw, I both liked and didn't like your WoT post. I liked a lot of the points you made, unfortunately a lot of the things you were saying were parroting points others have made.

 

 

I find that to be kinda adequate amount of posts. I wish there was more from them; but as long as we're still on D1... A lot of people are more quiet on D1. I tend to be quite often. And lynching inactives on D1 is stupid. We need information; not trimming the numbers.

I find it to be shamefully inadequate. 2 or 3 posts 15 pages in? Really? Furthermore, you championing the idea of D1 information is kind of curious given that you don't seem to like to participate in D1. Lynching inactives early is actually the best time to do it. As Dap said, the later it gets in the game, the harder it gets to do it. Also, inactives get more and more dangerous as the game drags on. That being said, I think a Kaylee lynch is fine for D1. We can reassess inactives on D2.

 

 

I def disagree with the bolded part. Lurkers and inactives stand out a LOT more as the game keeps going, and it's much harder to try and come back after lurking all game to try and save your skin if you're scum. In fact, the closer it gets to endgame, the easier it is to case someone on their activity level. Someone who isn't posting that much day 1 could either just have some RL stuff going on, or doesn't have as much to offer at that time. Someone who's been inactive for several days is just straight up lurking, or doesn't give a crap about the game.

[hazelkrs1]

Just wanted to point out the oddity of this:

 

So I did Mish!  Despite what they're saying, I don't see you as scummy, because his reasoning was spotty.

 

Unvote

Vote Thorim

 

Thorum voted Kaylee, Mish called out his weak reasoning, and Hallia agrees so votes Thorum.

 

Of course you would be, it'd save your skin.  If given the choice between Basel and you, I would say you're the better lynch candidate for the day.

 

Unvote

Vote Kaylee

 

Now Hallia votes Kaylee, who Thorum had been previously (and still is I think) voted for. Also doesn't give any reasons for why Kaylee would make a better lynch. Between buddying up to people, and apparently just wanting to go with the flow of other's votes, I think there's enough to vote Hallia on.

 

Unvote, Vote Hallia.

 

Still wary of Kaylee, but meh we'll see. Slightly worried of Razen and TG as well, and Chuckles for pretty much never adding anything but still trying to post so he doesn't look inactive. Don't like the Basel train btw, the only reasoning was that he was "coasting", when he was still at least voting and offering thoughts, more than others in the game have done.

[dapianoplay3r]

Des

Last point of yours on inactives. It's exactly for that reason why mafia get their teammates posting

That's another reason why lynching inactives is worse the later you get in the game. They are more likely mafia

[wheeloftime13]

Official Vote Count

 

Tiinker (2/11): Bob, Basel

Mish (2/11): Darthe, peace

Kaylee (4/11): Thorum, Womby, Player, Hallia

Player (1/11): Tiinker

Basel (3/11): Razen, Kraka, Tiink

Thorum (1/11): Mish

Wombat (1/11): TG

Hallia (2/11): Kaylee, Despo

 

 

Not voting (4/20): Chuckles, Tigraine, Rhea, and alannalynn.

 

Deadline!!! Monday 20:00 EST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130610T20&p0=263&fg2=9acd79&msg=Merlin+Mafia+Day+1

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I have a party to go to tonight and I'm leaving soon, then I work early tomorrow. So you guys probably won't hear much from me till tomorrow evening. 

 

Still have not heard much.

 

 

I am going to post a little of something I just posted in another DM mafia game in which I am playing.

 "I apologize for being almost completely and totally absent from Dragonmount these last couple of days. I had four assignments for my Systems Analysis & Design Methods class which were due yesterday. Therefore, I had to focus my limited computer time to those assignments. My next two assignments are not due until Sunday. Therefore, I now have enough free time to be here with y'all on DM."

 

As everyone has seen, there has been a lot of discussion about joke votes, and voting in general. I am getting a scummy reading from Tiinker right now. To me, he appears to be a little over defensive. I am also getting a scummy feel with my scumdar on NotBob.

 

VOTE Tiinker

 

 

Appreciate the sacrifice.

 

Home from work. Brain dead. Ready for a beer.

 

Womby...I've missed you! 

 

Interesting debate. But I am in no hurry to vote as we have no deadline. 

 

Brilliant analysis.  Thanks.

 

Though it was nothing elaborate, thats like telling the punchline before you tell the joke.

 

How would  you feel if i voted and flat out said, i just wanted to see how yall react to me voting! OMG like totes for realz

 

 

I, personally, keep rereading and look for something good to talk about.  I'm still looking.

 

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

 

*chuckles at the snarkiness from peacesells*

 

 

If my real life was not so super busy, then I would be able to make better contributions to this mafia game. 

 

Wait.  I thought you said you had time to be here with us all.

 

Thank you for your honesty, peacesells.

 

 

Goodnight, everyone. I will return online on Dragonmount Sunday night after I finish two assignments for my online class with Columbia College.

 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

@mod: do we have a Deadline yet?

 

What's the hurry?

 

I'm going to put the deadline up this evening so you guys still have some time...

 

Did I miss this?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Official Vote Count

 

Tiinker (2/11): Bob, Basel

Mish (2/11): Darthe, peace

Kaylee (4/11): Thorum, Womby, Player, Hallia

Player (1/11): Tiinker

Basel (3/11): Razen, Kraka, Tiink

Thorum (1/11): Mish

Wombat (1/11): TG

Hallia (2/11): Kaylee, Despo

 

 

Not voting (4/20): Chuckles, Tigraine, Rhea, and alannalynn.

 

Deadline!!! Monday 20:00 EST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130610T20&p0=263&fg2=9acd79&msg=Merlin+Mafia+Day+1

 

 

 

@mod: do we have a Deadline yet?

 

What's the hurry?

 

I'm going to put the deadline up this evening so you guys still have some time...

 

Did I miss this?

 

 

Sorry.  Ninja'd while I was typing and breakfast.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Just wanted to point out the oddity of this:

 

So I did Mish!  Despite what they're saying, I don't see you as scummy, because his reasoning was spotty.

 

Unvote

Vote Thorim

 

Thorum voted Kaylee, Mish called out his weak reasoning, and Hallia agrees so votes Thorum.

 

Of course you would be, it'd save your skin.  If given the choice between Basel and you, I would say you're the better lynch candidate for the day.

 

Unvote

Vote Kaylee

 

Now Hallia votes Kaylee, who Thorum had been previously (and still is I think) voted for. Also doesn't give any reasons for why Kaylee would make a better lynch. Between buddying up to people, and apparently just wanting to go with the flow of other's votes, I think there's enough to vote Hallia on.

 

Unvote, Vote Hallia.

 

Still wary of Kaylee, but meh we'll see. Slightly worried of Razen and TG as well, and Chuckles for pretty much never adding anything but still trying to post so he doesn't look inactive. Don't like the Basel train btw, the only reasoning was that he was "coasting", when he was still at least voting and offering thoughts, more than others in the game have done.

 

I appreciate a good case.    

 

Unvote, Vote Hallia

[lolguy26]

 

@mod: do we have a Deadline yet?

 

What's the hurry?

 

 

So we know when to hurry, like now for example, we have about 1 day and 8 hours or so till the time ends 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Hallia 

 

So we can have 2 competing trains with the same number of votes and i like the points despo made regarding her 

[Basel Gill]

Unvote, vote Hally. I've been pondering this for a while as it seems the Tiink train has derailed. Hally keeps pinging for me, though. I really don't like the buddying act.

[Rhea]

Sorry for my absence the last couple days guys. It's the weekend and graduation parties galore here. I've been basically at parties since Thursday and trying to keep up with 2 games here hasn't worked so well for me as I got way behind on this one. I am now sober though! I will post some thoughts shortly!