Enter the Dragon Mafia [Basic] D5: Town Wins!!

[Darthe]

Let him keep digging his own grave.

 

Rand, your thought is that I am scum because I am following my best lead? That's the chainsaw defense if I have ever heard it.

[dapianoplay3r]

It's his first game. Be nice

[Tigraine]

Current Vote Count

Dapiano (1) - Nolder

Nolder (1) - Hally

Rand (1) - RTE

Tsuki (1) - Darthe

Rand (1) - Peace

Darthe (1) - Rand

 

Not Voting (10): Mish, Tinker, Tsuki, dice, Tigraine, Millon

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

 

Deadline: The Deadline will be Monday at Noon EST (US). Countdown: http://www.timeandda...he Dragon Mafia

 

Is that 2 on rand?

[Nolder]

Unvote

Vote Rand

 

Was just waiting to make sure you intentionally self voted and didn't do it while half asleep or something

Self voting is never a town move, ever

You need to be policy lynched now

[RandA lThor]

Let him keep digging his own grave.

 

Rand, your thought is that I am scum because I am following my best lead? That's the chainsaw defense if I have ever heard it.

No you generically disregarded what I was saying, the exact thing I would do as scum, as so many others would do as well.  Appear to be engaged in the situation while not taking a risky enough position that could collapse around you.

 

Unvote

Vote Rand

 

Was just waiting to make sure you intentionally self voted and didn't do it while half asleep or something

Self voting is never a town move, ever

You need to be policy lynched now

That would only be if I was actually trying to lynch myself, the self vote was a jumpstart alone.  Also I really hate policy lynching.  That speaks in absolutes, and there are never absolutes.  Case me if you will, but don't bring up policy lynching, weak reasoning if I've ever seen any.  Slight scum read on you as well.

[Nolder]

Unless you have a role that says the town wins if you are lynched then yes this is an absolute and I believe in it absolutely.

I would be happy to explain to you why it's never a town move to vote for yourself if you don't understand.

[dapianoplay3r]

I only.gind them acceprable moments before a deadline if you are l-1 and know youre better than random

[dicetosser1]

ok so multiquotes rnt working for me. Also ive had my daughter in hospital and ive got a funeral tomorrow so i will be a bit absent.

 

Now Rand. Self votes. Then starts multiquote casing.

 

I almost agree with nol about policy lynching self voters. its happening too much.  

 

the casings  we have seen Rand do this a couple of times and iirc he was mafia every time

 

 

vote Rand 

[Tiinker]

Soz man final exam and moving out and into a new place. Post above me reeks.

[Tyler Glembo]

Current Vote Count
 

Nolder (1) - Hally

Tsuki (1) - Darthe

Rand (4) - RTE, Peace, Dice, Nolder

Darthe (1) - Rand

Not Voting (6): Mish, Tinker, Tsuki, Tigraine, Millon, Dapiano

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch


Deadline:  The Deadline will be Monday at Noon EST (US). Countdown: http://www.timeandda...he Dragon Mafia

[michellem]

ok so multiquotes rnt working for me. Also ive had my daughter in hospital and ive got a funeral tomorrow so i will be a bit absent.

 

Now Rand. Self votes. Then starts multiquote casing.

 

I almost agree with nol about policy lynching self voters. its happening too much.  

 

the casings  we have seen Rand do this a couple of times and iirc he was mafia every time

 

 

vote Rand 

Bolded: Not so, he did it in the Indiana Jones games and was town at least. And considering how annoyed you got at me in that game for throwing otu a statement about you about something I thought I'd remembered you doing, but no checking, I find it interesting that you do it now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I gotta do a reread later this evening, this weekends been insane for me and I don't remember anything bout this game now at all.

[Tsukibana]

Darthe did that to me too my first game, it doesn't appear to be anything new.

 

What gives, Darthe? you just don't like newbs??

[peacesells]

UNVOTE VOTE NOLDER.

 

Your policy vote is a bogus reasoning.  More so, since he's unvoted already.  Just looking for an easy excuse.

 

Dice....dice....dice.  Scummy scummy scummy.

 

There are 2 of your scum team right there.  Nolder and Dice. 

[Nolder]

Unvoting is completely irrelevant. Self voting is one of those things you don't get to just take back or pretend like it didn't happen, like claiming. Once you've done it the damage is done.

Letting someone who's self voted is utterly foolish.

[peacesells]

Unvoting is completely irrelevant. Self voting is one of those things you don't get to just take back or pretend like it didn't happen, like claiming. Once you've done it the damage is done.

Letting someone who's self voted is utterly foolish.

 

Explain why. 

[Nolder]

 

Unvoting is completely irrelevant. Self voting is one of those things you don't get to just take back or pretend like it didn't happen, like claiming. Once you've done it the damage is done.

Letting someone who's self voted is utterly foolish.

 

Explain why. 

 

Sure.

 

When someone self votes what they are attempting to do is evoke a response of sympathy from the town. It's an appeal to emotion.

It's a gamble that is supposed to make you appear uncaring or defeated, sometimes accompanied by mock outrage. It's normally used when one is near being lynched anyway or as some sort of "plan" to confirm something. Granted Rand doesn't fit that profile but he still needs to be policy lynched and here's why.

 

As a mafia or scum, using this ploy can buy you another day or two at least if it works. People will argue on your behalf that you were already willing to die and therefore you can't be guilty because no guilty person wants to bring themselves that much closer to being lynched.

 

As town your goal is to lynch mafia and scum. It's the only objective and you cannot win without accomplishing that.

Voting for yourself is knowingly voting for town and goes against the spirit of the game. You're playing with fire on the towns behalf. After you've done this you can't be trusted not to be mafia using the ploy and if you in fact were town you were only aiding the mafia by putting yourself closer to death.

 

It's an ultimately scummy move and one which cannot be accepted.

[Darthe]

 

 

Darthe did that to me too my first game, it doesn't appear to be anything new.

What gives, Darthe? you just don't like newbs??

I'm just not biased. Hell, they wanted to lynch me D1 my first game and didn't because I played up the newbie card. Look what happened.

 

Beyond that, you just used the newbie card and you never responded to my queries.

 

@Rand, I'm pretty certain that saying you're tired of seeing pointless self votes is being against them. To anyone whose played this game more than once the goal of it was fairly clear and it's just boring to use the same tactics again and again expecting something different from it. Despo taught me that.

 

However, based on the hardcore chainsaw defense going on here I feel pretty confident that I am right about Suki and Rand is his scum buddy.

 

I got two, what are the rest of you doing?

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

Unvoting is completely irrelevant. Self voting is one of those things you don't get to just take back or pretend like it didn't happen, like claiming. Once you've done it the damage is done.

Letting someone who's self voted is utterly foolish.

Explain why.

Sure.

 

When someone self votes what they are attempting to do is evoke a response of sympathy from the town. It's an appeal to emotion.

It's a gamble that is supposed to make you appear uncaring or defeated, sometimes accompanied by mock outrage. It's normally used when one is near being lynched anyway or as some sort of "plan" to confirm something. Granted Rand doesn't fit that profile but he still needs to be policy lynched and here's why.

 

As a mafia or scum, using this ploy can buy you another day or two at least if it works. People will argue on your behalf that you were already willing to die and therefore you can't be guilty because no guilty person wants to bring themselves that much closer to being lynched.

 

As town your goal is to lynch mafia and scum. It's the only objective and you cannot win without accomplishing that.

Voting for yourself is knowingly voting for town and goes against the spirit of the game. You're playing with fire on the towns behalf. After you've done this you can't be trusted not to be mafia using the ploy and if you in fact were town you were only aiding the mafia by putting yourself closer to death.

 

It's an ultimately scummy move and one which cannot be accepted.

I can add onto this.

 

Towns members continue to employ this tactic despite it being a poor one. Why is that, you ask? Simply stated, the effort of voting for ones self with no prior reasoning is a method of baiting for reactions. Seeing as how your vote contributes to your own death it places people into a state of confusion, alloting room for position of error, placing you in the spotlight, and increasing your own status. The problem here is that it is a tactic that affects every player, thus townies react imperfectly as well, you being in the spotlight can be good if you're correct, however until you convince others to listen to you it wastes time and detracts from scum hunting, and having increased status intentionally practically guarantees that you're vanilla because nobody with a PR is so willing to risk themselves (unless they're masons). Again, these are disadvantages to an out of the blue self vote.

[Hallia]

That's really good information to know.  Always bugged me out why people did that.

[RandA lThor]

Unless you have a role that says the town wins if you are lynched then yes this is an absolute and I believe in it absolutely.

I would be happy to explain to you why it's never a town move to vote for yourself if you don't understand.

Please go ahead.  Thats like saying its never a good idea to be town and lie about your claim... but oh wait, lots of gambits have won games doing exactly that.  There are never absolutes Nolder, what I did was not a self vote for any other reason then to judge reactions.  None of the conventional self vote reasons apply, so you cannot use the same arguments.

 

ok so multiquotes rnt working for me. Also ive had my daughter in hospital and ive got a funeral tomorrow so i will be a bit absent.

 

Now Rand. Self votes. Then starts multiquote casing.

 

I almost agree with nol about policy lynching self voters. its happening too much.  

 

the casings  we have seen Rand do this a couple of times and iirc he was mafia every time

 

 

vote Rand 

Oh my god, I was self voting to jumpstart the game because I knew its scummy, i know its something that people don't do, and it starts discussion, like this.  You're not policy lynching for self votes, you're policy lynching for jumpstarting the game right now.  If you're going to say policy lynch, say what you're actually doing it for.  And second of all, I case all the time when I'm town.  I also come up with logical cases, go through the list of town and my thoughts on all of them, and have from rare time to time done a WoT.  I pick up any type of casing that I feel like, not relative to my side.  So get your facts straight.

 

Unvoting is completely irrelevant. Self voting is one of those things you don't get to just take back or pretend like it didn't happen, like claiming. Once you've done it the damage is done.

Letting someone who's self voted is utterly foolish.

That literally makes no sense.  I can just envision you policy lynching someone who joke voted themselves on this same reasoning.

 

 

 

Unvoting is completely irrelevant. Self voting is one of those things you don't get to just take back or pretend like it didn't happen, like claiming. Once you've done it the damage is done.

Letting someone who's self voted is utterly foolish.

 

Explain why. 

 

Sure.

 

When someone self votes what they are attempting to do is evoke a response of sympathy from the town. It's an appeal to emotion.

It's a gamble that is supposed to make you appear uncaring or defeated, sometimes accompanied by mock outrage. It's normally used when one is near being lynched anyway or as some sort of "plan" to confirm something. Granted Rand doesn't fit that profile but he still needs to be policy lynched and here's why.

 

Yup, you just said it, this was not the scenario I was in, I did it to confuse people, not to garner sympathy or mock outrage.  Why would I do this when there were pretty much no votes on me?

 

As a mafia or scum, using this ploy can buy you another day or two at least if it works. People will argue on your behalf that you were already willing to die and therefore you can't be guilty because no guilty person wants to bring themselves that much closer to being lynched.

 

Brilliant, I saved my self from the lynch that wasn't happening.  Again, talk about something relative to what I did, not generics.  This self vote isn't generic.

 

As town your goal is to lynch mafia and scum. It's the only objective and you cannot win without accomplishing that.

Voting for yourself is knowingly voting for town and goes against the spirit of the game. You're playing with fire on the towns behalf. After you've done this you can't be trusted not to be mafia using the ploy and if you in fact were town you were only aiding the mafia by putting yourself closer to death.

 

I get it now.  You don't like gambits, traps, fakes, and any other sophisticated play in mafia that doesn't involve going straight at the objective of the game, makes sense.   I voted myself to get reactions from other people, knowing that I would unvote and therefore would not put me close to death.

 

It's an ultimately scummy move and one which cannot be accepted.

 

Um... no.  Your logic makes no sense.  

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe did that to me too my first game, it doesn't appear to be anything new.

What gives, Darthe? you just don't like newbs??

I'm just not biased. Hell, they wanted to lynch me D1 my first game and didn't because I played up the newbie card. Look what happened.

 

Beyond that, you just used the newbie card and you never responded to my queries.

 

@Rand, I'm pretty certain that saying you're tired of seeing pointless self votes is being against them. To anyone whose played this game more than once the goal of it was fairly clear and it's just boring to use the same tactics again and again expecting something different from it. Despo taught me that.

 

Eh, I guess I see your point, but your initial statement without any background did seem pretty fence sittingy.  

 

However, based on the hardcore chainsaw defense going on here I feel pretty confident that I am right about Suki and Rand is his scum buddy.

I got two, what are the rest of you doing?

 

Getting actual scum. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unvoting is completely irrelevant. Self voting is one of those things you don't get to just take back or pretend like it didn't happen, like claiming. Once you've done it the damage is done.

Letting someone who's self voted is utterly foolish.

Explain why.

Sure.

 

When someone self votes what they are attempting to do is evoke a response of sympathy from the town. It's an appeal to emotion.

It's a gamble that is supposed to make you appear uncaring or defeated, sometimes accompanied by mock outrage. It's normally used when one is near being lynched anyway or as some sort of "plan" to confirm something. Granted Rand doesn't fit that profile but he still needs to be policy lynched and here's why.

 

As a mafia or scum, using this ploy can buy you another day or two at least if it works. People will argue on your behalf that you were already willing to die and therefore you can't be guilty because no guilty person wants to bring themselves that much closer to being lynched.

 

As town your goal is to lynch mafia and scum. It's the only objective and you cannot win without accomplishing that.

Voting for yourself is knowingly voting for town and goes against the spirit of the game. You're playing with fire on the towns behalf. After you've done this you can't be trusted not to be mafia using the ploy and if you in fact were town you were only aiding the mafia by putting yourself closer to death.

 

It's an ultimately scummy move and one which cannot be accepted.

I can add onto this.

 

Towns members continue to employ this tactic despite it being a poor one. Why is that, you ask? Simply stated, the effort of voting for ones self with no prior reasoning is a method of baiting for reactions. Seeing as how your vote contributes to your own death it places people into a state of confusion, alloting room for position of error, placing you in the spotlight, and increasing your own status. The problem here is that it is a tactic that affects every player, thus townies react imperfectly as well, you being in the spotlight can be good if you're correct, however until you convince others to listen to you it wastes time and detracts from scum hunting, and having increased status intentionally practically guarantees that you're vanilla because nobody with a PR is so willing to risk themselves (unless they're masons). Again, these are disadvantages to an out of the blue self vote.

 

Actually, I wouldn't say add onto this, I would say bring up the only legitimate thing in the entire paragraph block.  I get what you're saying, and that may have been what I did with you.  But the jumpstart I created also allows other reactions to come in place, that eventually don't just become about the self vote, and about policy lynches, opinions on that, and then from that we can scumhunt.  But I do agree with almost everything here.

 

[Tigraine]

I'm sorry but self voting in NOT. A good idea. I understand his reasoning, to Get the game started etc. but the truth is if you are town, all it does is waste time. If you survive this day, you will still be looked at with suspicion the whole game. Now if you are a solo win it will eventually serve your purpose. Doing it as scum may help your cause but not your case.

[peacesells]

 

 

Unvoting is completely irrelevant. Self voting is one of those things you don't get to just take back or pretend like it didn't happen, like claiming. Once you've done it the damage is done.

Letting someone who's self voted is utterly foolish.

 

Explain why. 

 

Sure.

 

When someone self votes what they are attempting to do is evoke a response of sympathy from the town. It's an appeal to emotion.

It's a gamble that is supposed to make you appear uncaring or defeated, sometimes accompanied by mock outrage. It's normally used when one is near being lynched anyway or as some sort of "plan" to confirm something. Granted Rand doesn't fit that profile but he still needs to be policy lynched and here's why.

 

As a mafia or scum, using this ploy can buy you another day or two at least if it works. People will argue on your behalf that you were already willing to die and therefore you can't be guilty because no guilty person wants to bring themselves that much closer to being lynched.

 

As town your goal is to lynch mafia and scum. It's the only objective and you cannot win without accomplishing that.

Voting for yourself is knowingly voting for town and goes against the spirit of the game. You're playing with fire on the towns behalf. After you've done this you can't be trusted not to be mafia using the ploy and if you in fact were town you were only aiding the mafia by putting yourself closer to death.

 

It's an ultimately scummy move and one which cannot be accepted.

 

 

I wanted to respond in a big way on how you just discredited your whole theory but I think Rand just blew you out of the water.

 

Yes, going emo and and self voting towards the end of a lynch is horrible play that is used by town and scum but Rand's self vote fit none of that bill.  Ply you horrible reasoning elsewhere.

 

You are just trying to justify a horrible policy vote.  You thought Rand would be an easy lynch and you came up with a bogus reason.  I'm calling you on it.  Hopefully others will do the same.

[peacesells]

I'm sorry but self voting in NOT. A good idea. I understand his reasoning, to Get the game started etc. but the truth is if you are town, all it does is waste time. If you survive this day, you will still be looked at with suspicion the whole game. Now if you are a solo win it will eventually serve your purpose. Doing it as scum may help your cause but not your case.

 

As will everyone else...or should be.  This statement is useless.  It's inherent in the game.  Everyone is always under suspicion.  Why try justifying your inadequate arguments with obvious truths?  You will be under the same suspicion tomorrow as will I and each other player. 

 

The fact is...he's gotten a good result.  Go ahead and lynch Rand.  It will provide info one way or another. 

[Nolder]

Rand, first of all doing something scummy and then saying you did it intentionally to "jumpstart" conversation does not fly.

 

Secondly I am not going to read or reply to any replies inside quotes. It makes a conversation hard to follow.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Unvoting is completely irrelevant. Self voting is one of those things you don't get to just take back or pretend like it didn't happen, like claiming. Once you've done it the damage is done.

Letting someone who's self voted is utterly foolish.

 

Explain why. 

 

Sure.

 

When someone self votes what they are attempting to do is evoke a response of sympathy from the town. It's an appeal to emotion.

It's a gamble that is supposed to make you appear uncaring or defeated, sometimes accompanied by mock outrage. It's normally used when one is near being lynched anyway or as some sort of "plan" to confirm something. Granted Rand doesn't fit that profile but he still needs to be policy lynched and here's why.

 

As a mafia or scum, using this ploy can buy you another day or two at least if it works. People will argue on your behalf that you were already willing to die and therefore you can't be guilty because no guilty person wants to bring themselves that much closer to being lynched.

 

As town your goal is to lynch mafia and scum. It's the only objective and you cannot win without accomplishing that.

Voting for yourself is knowingly voting for town and goes against the spirit of the game. You're playing with fire on the towns behalf. After you've done this you can't be trusted not to be mafia using the ploy and if you in fact were town you were only aiding the mafia by putting yourself closer to death.

 

It's an ultimately scummy move and one which cannot be accepted.

 

 

I wanted to respond in a big way on how you just discredited your whole theory but I think Rand just blew you out of the water.

 

Yes, going emo and and self voting towards the end of a lynch is horrible play that is used by town and scum but Rand's self vote fit none of that bill.  Ply you horrible reasoning elsewhere.

 

You are just trying to justify a horrible policy vote.  You thought Rand would be an easy lynch and you came up with a bogus reason.  I'm calling you on it.  Hopefully others will do the same.

 

You wanted to respond...but you've got nothing and will just repeat that my reasoning is bad because you said so. Got it.