Mats Terangreal--Need question answered please.

[mwayneknight]

In the Shadow Rising, Rand goes to Camleyn with Mat and his entourage, where Rahvin uses lightning that kills Mat and them. They assume after that the Ter angreal cannot stop a mans channeling, but in The Lord of Chaos Halima channels at him(using saidin of course, and at least it is assumed her cause when Mat turns around she has shock in her face)it doesnt work..

 

So why did the lightning hit him(i understand that you can throw somethig at him, but the lightning was created fully by the power so it should not have affected him I assume), So, just a question and curious about the answer.

 

Thanks

[Thrasymachus]

Lightning is a secondary effect. The Power creates charge separation and the discharge path. The lightning itself is purely physical.

[Olver_is_a_Forsaken]

Lightning is a secondary effect. The Power creates charge separation and the discharge path. The lightning itself is purely physical.

My theory as well; the same reason that women channelers can throw things at him. It only disrupts weaves that touch the person. So if the necessary weaves to form lightning are done just above the victim....Zap goes Mat!

 

Does another male channeler ever attack Mat?

[GYLD]

Never necessarily attacked as I can recall, but as the OP mentioned, Halima/Aran'gar tries something on him after they dance briefly in Salidar. Mat feels the medallion go cold and then notices Halima looking at him with a shocked expression.

[Andrew the Asha'Man]

You could throw air at mat and the Air would dissolve around him and none would affect him. But use Air to throw a non-power item at mat and Bam!!!!! out like a light! Thats how i look at it though

[Knivy]

What would have happened if Mat had walked into the aiel city place before rand got rid of the barrier, if he somehow had the amulet before?

[Andrew the Asha'Man]

Thats a good question. Maybe it still would of worked. Maybe its only if you throw any type of item. But who knows he might of been able to enter

[mike hunt's here]

this topic is discussed in great length in another post somewhere...

[Knivy]

do you happen to know what thread?

[Andrew the Asha'Man]

this topic is discussed in great length in another post somewhere...

I thought i saw this somewhere else i just wasn't sure....

[Luckers]

You could throw air at mat and the Air would dissolve around him and none would affect him. But use Air to throw a non-power item at mat and Bam!!!!! out like a light! Thats how i look at it though

 

Well if you created enough of a disturbance in the air that the air would continue to move even after the flow of Air dissolved then it could still hurt him quite badly.

[YourNewDragonAndGod]

You could throw air at mat and the Air would dissolve around him and none would affect him. But use Air to throw a non-power item at mat and Bam!!!!! out like a light! Thats how i look at it though

 

Well if you created enough of a disturbance in the air that the air would continue to move even after the flow of Air dissolved then it could still hurt him quite badly.

As long as it is any indirect use of a weave, for example if you wanted to hurt him with air, you move air from far away so that it builds up strong enough to hurt him by the time it gets there, but is and indirect weave. For more effectiveness just add rocks or dust to make a dust storm.

[TootThatHorn]

You could throw air at mat and the Air would dissolve around him and none would affect him. But use Air to throw a non-power item at mat and Bam!!!!! out like a light! Thats how i look at it though

 

Well if you created enough of a disturbance in the air that the air would continue to move even after the flow of Air dissolved then it could still hurt him quite badly.

As long as it is any indirect use of a weave, for example if you wanted to hurt him with air, you move air from far away so that it builds up strong enough to hurt him by the time it gets there, but is and indirect weave. For more effectiveness just add rocks or dust to make a dust storm.

 

Right, I think Luckers is just pointing out that the medallion stops the one power's weaves, but not kinetic energy, there are still molecules on the move; heck get a steady enough flow going and technically you could wind burn him really.

[mwayneknight]

So just to confirm, when they use lightniing outta clear blue skies, they arent just creating it outta the true source(you know like magic and stuff)?

[Thrasymachus]

Since lightning can occur out of clear blue skies naturally, that's correct. The Power simply creates the necessary and sufficient conditions for lightning to form and strike the channeler's intended target. When lightning leaps from the channeler's hands to the target like Emperor Palpatine's Force-lightning (I think that's occurred at least once, though I could be mistaken), that's likely a direct weave similar to using Fire to engulf someone in flames. In the first case, you've got a dead Mat. In the second case, Mat laughs at you while he drives his sword-spear through your head.

 

Plus, it's probably worth noting that it was a single bolt of lightning that killed Mat and Avi and that other guy, it's probably unlikely that the bolt directly hit more than one of them, and the rest were killed from the blast and heat of the lightning, not from being struck/electrocuted by it, in other words, secondary effects. It's likely that the bolt of lightning that killed Mat and Avi directly struck that Cairheinin bannerman who's name I can't recall, because he would have had a banner up in the air like a lightning rod. Lightning hits the banner, goes boom, everybody nearby goes splat.

[Dagon Thyne]

You could throw air at mat and the Air would dissolve around him and none would affect him. But use Air to throw a non-power item at mat and Bam!!!!! out like a light! Thats how i look at it though

 

Hmmmm....I just thought of something....That is the same effect that Gholam has. I wonder if the medallion and Gholams are created with the same process.

[FarShainMael]

Since lightning can occur out of clear blue skies naturally, that's correct. The Power simply creates the necessary and sufficient conditions for lightning to form and strike the channeler's intended target. When lightning leaps from the channeler's hands to the target like Emperor Palpatine's Force-lightning (I think that's occurred at least once, though I could be mistaken), that's likely a direct weave similar to using Fire to engulf someone in flames. In the first case, you've got a dead Mat. In the second case, Mat laughs at you while he drives his sword-spear through your head.

 

Plus, it's probably worth noting that it was a single bolt of lightning that killed Mat and Avi and that other guy, it's probably unlikely that the bolt directly hit more than one of them, and the rest were killed from the blast and heat of the lightning, not from being struck/electrocuted by it, in other words, secondary effects. It's likely that the bolt of lightning that killed Mat and Avi directly struck that Cairheinin bannerman who's name I can't recall, because he would have had a banner up in the air like a lightning rod. Lightning hits the banner, goes boom, everybody nearby goes splat.

 

There had been more than one bolt in that first volley, but not all had been aimed at him. Mat's smoking boots lay a dozen paces from where Mat himself sprawled on his back. Tendrils of smoke rose from the black haft of his spear, too, from his coat, even from the silver foxhead, hanging out of his shirt, that had not saved him from a man's channelling. Asmodean was a twisted shape of char, recognisable only from the blackened harpcase still strapped to his back. And Aviendha.. Unmarked, she could have lain down to rest - if she could have rested staring unblinking at the sun.

 

So one bolt scored a direct hit on Asmo. Mat was a close near miss, from either that bolt or another, and Avi a little farther away and dead from shock.

 

Somewhere it's mentioned that Rand got it wrong about Mat dead from direct channelling. I'll try and find the quote.

[Sid]

Rand's hypothesis was proven wrong later in LoC when Mat met up with Halima (Aran'gar, the woman that channels saidin) in Salidar. He begged off dancing with her, the medallion went cold, and she looked shocked like everyone else that tries channeling at him.

[FarShainMael]

Rand's hypothesis was proven wrong later in LoC when Mat met up with Halima (Aran'gar, the woman that channels saidin) in Salidar. He begged off dancing with her, the medallion went cold, and she looked shocked like everyone else that tries channeling at him.

 

True. I was thinking that RJ said something about it, but no matter.