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  1. I don't think this guy knows what he's talking about. Amazon is in the digital delivery service market. They may have started out selling books, but it didn't take long for them to broaden online ordering of books into online ordering of just about everything else, including movies and tv shows. Obviously consumers want this, otherwise Amazon wouldn't be doing $10 billion plus a year in net income and revenue of almost a quarter trillion dollars a year. He also clearly has a bone in his craw over Sanderson finishing the series, and over Mr. Rigney's own Southern American heritage, and he either doesn't like the series, or doesn't like the series being made into a TV show, or both.
  2. Felicia Day is a fan of the series. I think she'd make a decent Wise One, possibly Melaine.
  3. I very much doubt they'll film scenes potentially years in advance of when they'll be used, if the series even makes it that long. They almost certainly won't be filming scenes from the Last Battle in season 4 so they won't have to pay Moiraine's actress when she shows back up in the story three seasons later. Moiraine is the most prominent character to disappear from the series for a time, only to show back up again much later, but she's far from the only one. Else Grinwell, Almun Bunt, Paitr Conel, Morgase Trakand, Gareth Byrne, Byar and Aram are just a few. Getting actors for those roles with some kind of contract that gets them a scene in one season, then nothing again for a year or more before they're in another scene or before they become more regular cast, is gonna be a trick. So the trick is, you don't try. This is a series that may go for 10 seasons (though it'll probably be written for seven), but it also might not make it to three. Don't cross bridges before you have to burn them. Or something like that. Just don't spend too much money on actors that might be hard to call back up later, if the series makes it long enough that they'll need those characters again. Prefer actors who are fans of the series so they'll want to come back later, without having to have a contract tying them down. And don't forget that recasts of forgettable characters introduced early on is a thing, and as long as the recast mostly looks and acts the same, many won't even notice. It would even be possible to recast Moiraine, if necessary, and chalk it up to her time with the 'Finns changing her appearance. And while the aspect of some of the named, throw-away characters from early on showing back up later is a neat aspect of the books that has some cool thematic uses, it's not at all necessary. Almun and Paitr don't have to be preserved for the TV show. There's no reason that darkfriend boy trying to help Morgase escape has to be the same one Rand punched out, and the old man worrying about the orchard doesn't need to be the same guy who gave Rand and Mat a ride into Caemlyn.
  4. It will probably be on Prime, so they can make it as "mature" as they want. Still, I can't think of any scene where nudity occurs that it must be explicit. Side-boob and butt crack, and bare shoulders and hips, is as far as they really need to go. And they may be thinking of future syndication on broadcast or mainstream cable tv, so they may be wanting to go for a more "PG-13" vibe that would allow them to bring in a wider audience, that would also allow them to show a little more violence and special-effects, as language isn't going to be an issue if they stick to the in-universe cursing. The story doesn't need explicit nudity anywhere, and where explicit nudity might enhance the story, the risks of overdoing it or having it overshadow the emotional import of the scene are quite high, unless very tastefully and subtly done. This isn't some late-night Skin-emax flick, after all. We don't need to see Aviendha's nipples to know that she and Rand are gettin' down in the Seanchan igloo scene. We don't need to know whether Amys' curtains match her drapes to know the Aiel sweat in their sweat tents in the nude. We don't need full-frontal on Nynaeve as she's fleeing that Forsaken, breasts glistening with sweat and heaving in fear...wait, you know what, nevermind.
  5. How many episodes are going to be in the season? It used to be that seasons were 22 or more episodes long, now we see seasons with 11 to 13 episodes. You can do a lot more in a 22 episode long season than you can in an 11 episode one. With 22 episodes, I don't think much of anything would have to be cut. Even side characters like Else Grinwell and Paitr Conel can be shoehorned in. It might be a bit slow in the middle, though. With only 11 episodes, there's a lot that might have to be cut.
  6. Considering they're going for Moiraine as the lead for the first season at least, I think it's possible they may go with a known quantity for her. A big name bound to drive up viewers for the first few seasons, who will be sidelined as the plot goes to Rhuidean and the Waste, go out in a blaze of glory only to be seen in flashbacks, then return for the last season. Mila Kunis fits her description physically; short, dark hair and eyes, has a clipped, but faintly musical accent. I don't know whether she can do the reserved mystery and hidden emotion Moiraine would need, but I also haven't seen everything she's done, and from what I've seen of the Black Swan and Jupiter Ascending trailers, she can probably pull it off with good direction. I don't see any current projects on her imdb page (not that she couldn't be doing something nobody knows about yet), and she's probably about as big a name as the studio would want to afford. And while I'm serious about Mila Kunis as Moiraine, a perverse part of me now wants to see Ashton Kutcher as Lan. He's got the chiseled looks for it, and he can be aged up a bit with makeup and a little gray in his hair. But nobody would buy Kelso as the most badass swordsman and Warder of the 3rd Age. And his voice is too soft. Sean Bean would be a good Lan, though. And considering Lan's not really required to be on screen much, he might not be too expensive. It would be a nice subversion of tropes too, what with Sean Bean's always getting killed off, while Lan survives the whole way through. He's busy with an adaptation of Macbeth at the moment, though.
  7. Depends on who you're casting. For adult actors, that's generally true, but for child and teen actors, there's all kinds of crossover. And of course, this is a fan casting thread. Nobody takes it seriously, or should anyway. And just so this doesn't turn into some meta thread about how serious people should be in fan casting threads, I offer Annalise Basso for Aviendha, or perhaps one of the tertiary Aiel Maidens, say, Enaila or Bain.
  8. If they do cut out one of the three, my guess is Aviendha. Elayne pretty much has to get knocked up by Rand or the events of her Succession in Andor and ultimately the Last Battle don't make sense. Min has to be the constant in Rand's everyday personal life or Rand risks becoming dehumanized as he makes himself get harder and darker, and she's at the heart of the events that turn him to his darkest. Avi, as cool as she is, basically serves as a window into the Aiel, and as a sidekick for Egwene and then Elayne. She doesn't contribute much to anybody's else's character development or plot. Cutting Avi means they can cut Nakomi and the whole future of the Aiel vision thing, which isn't really relevant to any of the other main characters or the buildup to or prosecution of the Last Battle. At most, it motivates a slight change to the Dragon's Peace treaty, but doesn't change anything about how the Last Battle was fought. Of the Three, she's the only one who can pretty much be lifted out of the story without changing anything very much. Still, though, I hope Rafe is just stirring up an anthill and pulling our legs a bit. Altering the relationship between Rand and his women changes a bunch of the feel and symbolism, particularly of Min's viewings. And I'd hate to lose the depth of the worldbuilding we get from Avi's window into the Aiel. There is one thing that Aviendha has a role in that I think is important enough to keep her, and the whole polygamous relationship thing in the story for: the tripartite bond. That bond is how Elayne is able to keep some tabs on Rand and helps Caemlyn not suffer through the worst of the bad weather leading up to the Last Battle, post Veins of Gold. And it's how knowledge of Rand's survival survives his apparent death at Shayol Ghul. It will be an important tool for convincing the viewer that Rand in fact survives as well, as it's a lot harder to get inside a TV character's head than a book character's, by having other characters who have that supernatural awareness of Rand confirm it.
  9. I'm betting the prologue either doesn't make the cut at all, or it's extraordinarily brief, with none of the dialog or mystery it creates in the book, possibly reduced to some narrative intro scene. I really hope they don't go that latter route though. Better to leave it out entirely and let the story reveal the world than start off with a terrible exposition trope.
  10. The people of the Third Age are the descendants of the people of the Second Age, the Age of Legends, where humanity achieved pinnacles of techno-magical abilities, and where even ordinary, non-magical people lived well past a hundred years. I would imagine they would have eliminated potential for developing all kinds of cancers from their genomes. We also don't see any other heritable disorders, even among nobility, which over three thousand years of more normal lifespans for most people, would probably pop up.
  11. Something is gratuitous when it's included, but it doesn't really need or deserve to be. Think "gratuity." Gratuitousness doesn't have to be graphic, there are no graphic sex or nudity scenes in the books. But there's plenty of gratuitous nudity. Moiraine in Baerlon, Aes Sedai meetings being topless, the Aiel sweat tents, the various tests being done "clad in the Light," topless Sea Folk, the way da'covale are dressed and so forth. And in many, if not most of those instances, there are descriptions of the main characters blushing, turning away, staring, or trying not to stare, as if they had a fairly puritanical or Victorian attitude towards nudity, that nudity was awkward or shameful or something that should be private, and our own cultural biases tend to associate that desire for privacy as relating to sex. This is really just a well-worn trope; the awkwardness of the main characters in response to nudity is meant to convey their relative innocence and naivete. As the characters mature, the occurrence of nudity lessens, and where it still occurs, the fact of its presence tends to go entirely unremarked. But it's still present, especially in those characters who are meant to maintain a level of "purity" or even immaturity, as seen in Nynaeve's Aes Sedai test, where she dithers a bit and blushes slightly at getting undressed for the test, or in Mat's going back and forth in his mind about whether he should look at the near-naked da'covale or not.
  12. Legal wranglements aren't specifically what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how it looks when virtually every other adaptation, aside from the books themselves, has been ultimately met with criticism and disparagement by the creator and/or rights holders. No matter how well deserved that criticism and disparagement is, it's going to have a stalling effect on any future media productions. And I'm not really blaming Harriet for that, it's at least as much, if not much more Red Eagle's fault for pushing out that crap sandwich in the middle of the night, which pretty much required that kind of response. I myself was cheering Harriet's response, personally. That doesn't mean that it doesn't get added to the stock of existing examples where other media got crapped on by the IP's creator and/or rights holder. Robert Jordan himself is probably more responsible for this situation than anybody else. And I don't think opening up the availability of the IP so that it's more conducive to having TV shows, movies, games, and even more books, can be fairly considered "raping" the series. I made the Star Trek comparison very deliberately. The Star Trek universe wasn't "raped" by having thousands of books and comics, 5 TV shows, 14 movies, and dozens of games of all kinds of varieties set in its universe, and playing off its canon. Nor was it raped when Roddenberry was sidelined in the media for which he developed that IP. Some of the very best stories, and richest additions to that universe, occurred after he died. Jordan has given us a fantasy world every bit as rich and ready for additional storytelling, in a variety of media, as existed for Star Trek before it became a cultural phenomenon. There is a glaring lacuna in the high fantasy genre of a similar story-telling platform, and the Wheel of Time could easily fill that gap. Authors don't do themselves any favors by following in Tolkien's footsteps and jealously guarding their IP. They would be better off taking to heart the moral of The Lego Movie. They would make more money, which isn't a bad thing in itself, and they would be able to tell more and better stories, and enable the creation of the same.
  13. I wouldn't put it past a studio to blow a little smoke up Harriet's skirts, just so they could maintain clear rights to it for as long as possible, dragging their feet through "production" as long as possible, waiting for that inevitable day when she wakes from the Dream. The Wheel of Time franchise has been almost infamously difficult to work with to get any other kind of media released that's related to it, other than books, even long before RJ passed away. History matters when organizations make decisions about things like this, and as well-deserved as it was, Harriet's outburst about the atrocious Winter Dragon pilot will not be likely to endear her to any production company. It would naturally worry them that she might do something similar if they have to take the production in a different direction than one she favors. RJ himself had a habit of publicly distancing himself, and by extension the Wheel of Time canon, from those other media productions, even when he approved the projects and initially helped work on them. And they have always jealously guarded the rights to produce anything set within the Wheel of Time world, in spite of how rich that world is for continuing to create new stories and experiences within it, and how profitable allowing that to happen would be. It's a shame, in my opinion, as the Wheel of Time universe could have been for the fantasy genre what Star Trek or Star Wars are for the sci-fi genre. And it seems likely to me that we will have to wait until someone comes to hold the rights that wants to try to make that happen, rather than obstinately maintain the purity of vision and style of Jordan's take on the Dragon Reborn and the Last Battle.
  14. It can take a very long time for something like this to come to fruition. As far as anybody knows, there isn't even a script or storyboarding, or even a production lead yet. We don't even know which company optioned the rights to make the show. It can sometimes take a decade or more between getting clear rights to make a show and actually beginning production. Though if you ask me, they're waiting for Harriet to die, so they can snatch up Bandersnatch and not have to pay any of those royalties to anybody.
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