[ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt - GAME OVER!

[Sakaea]

[RandA lThor]

Yes Darthe, being silenced and vote controlled definitely makes me mafia. And why exactly do you think I am scum.

[Darthe]

Nolder I accidentally greened you. EP, when was the last time you were actually right about something in mafia? Rand, that's based on my impressions of D1 and your interactions with peace. I have claimed I was silenced etc before in games to protect myself. You could have done the same. Still, you're low on my list and we will see how you play tomorrow.

[RandA lThor]

OK, I see your point about silencing, but I was also vote controlled as we saw by the coroner of a vote thief.

[Nolder]

Nolder I accidentally greened you. EP, when was the last time you were actually right about something in mafia? Rand, that's based on my impressions of D1 and your interactions with peace. I have claimed I was silenced etc before in games to protect myself. You could have done the same. Still, you're low on my list and we will see how you play tomorrow.

Oh ok

 

Well in that case what do you think of me so far?

[Turin Turambar]

Rand is mafia cause he says so

[RandA lThor]

Rand is mafia cause he says so

 

*gasp* How did you find out?! /sarcasm

[RandA lThor]

:gasp:

[RandA lThor]

I give up.

[Sakaea]

 

 

That what you're looking for?

[RandA lThor]

Yes, thank you Kae!

[hazelkrs1]

Catching up. Sorry I haven't been quite as active, I've been trying to read Elantris before that game gets too involved

[hazelkrs1]

I know I wasn't terribly helpful. I just wanted to point out Despo's skills. Besides, it can't be bad getting the post count up, considering the fate of Sorcha. Heh.

 

Well this post def pings somewhat. Buddying up to me, and joking about getting your vote count so you don't look too inactive? Very suspicious NS. You shouldn't post just to get your post count up, you should do it because it gets more game thoughts out there, and because lurking and keeping others from getting a read on you is antitown

 

A new day dawns, the sun shining down upon Almoth Plain and Toman Head. Not far outside of Falme, two women lie sleeping. But only one wakes. Horrified, she finds her companion dead, without a mark on her.

Would this indicate that Sorcha was killed with the OP maybe?

 

In an attempt to secure the Horn, one is killed by a sword through his chest. Another falls prey to the actions of a captured damane.

So three things happened this night

Sorcha was killed "without a mark"

Lenlo was killed via sword

Someone "fell prey to the actions of a captured damane"

 

So the Seanchan are confirmed but I have no idea what action one could fall prey to from a captured damane except maybe dying lol

But we only had two deaths so that's out

Maybe the damane helped leash someone else? Indicating a cult?

 

I dunno

 

I thought it was kind of weird too, the part where it says that one fell to a sword, one fell prey to the actions of a captured damane. I'm pretty sure tho, that Lenlo was killed by the damane, not the sword in the chest. Mebbe the one that died was a random victim, like crewman X with a red shirt in Star Trek?

 

Either way, I'm getting a sense that we maybe shouldn't look too deep into scenes, since Alanna has already pointed this out and reminded us. We can pick up clues of course, but overanalyzing them might be wasting our efforts

 

I'm gonna state this even if i do die, cause that would suck.

 

I was neighborized by X player in this game.

 

Apparently neighborizer fails on certain targets, and it was used night 1 on GF, but that failed. Upon that failing night 2 it was used on me.

 

Not sure why the neighborizer failed the first night though, just know that it fails on some targets and nothing bad happens in return. It just fails.

 

Hmmm... so you DID find out you were targeted this time. But wait... first of all how do you know about these results? If you were given results before day officially broke, you should have waited for Alanna to say that it was day already. Second, why were you told that a neighborizer on GF failed? Doesn't seem like the kind of info you would normally be let in on... I suppose it could be stuff that is being talked about on the neighbor QT, but still... something doesn't quite seem right. And the fact that GF's viewing didn't activate your absorber ability also worries me.

 

Well, I didn't even notice being targeted.

 

Oh, I'll warn, that though I function as a cop, that isn't my actual role. For one I view at day, and with some restrictions, which I won't go into in case I should survive. Just so no one is surprised.

 

So after seeing Shinori say that something DID successfully activate his absorber ability, GF comes out and says his ability actually works as a Day Action. This seems extremely suspect to me, to say the least. Shouldn't he have two results by now? I'm not saying he had to give both of them, but he def made it seem like he only had one this time. Not only that, but the Day Action thing seems like a convenient excuse for why Shinori didn't absorb the ability.

 

I'm thinking we might have to test GF's results at some point, and see if he's just jerking us around or something.

 

Yeah I get to neighborize someone.

 

I was told the rules of it as well and it says some people cannot be neighborized. Nothing harmful will happen to me, it will just fail. Which is what seemed to have happened to GF.

 

Figured I'd put this up where the other Shinori/GF stuff was. I'm still pretty perplexed about this thing. Trying to figure out, if either Shinori or GF is scum, what the actuall angle could be here.

 

It was stated from early on that my views on peace were a gut decision based more on meta than play. I use meta a fair bit, after all I am a psychologist. It's kind of our thing. Now, if you would like me to specifically quantify every post that Peace made up until that point I can gladly do so, examining word choice and whatnot to almost no end. However, suffice it to say that he is done and past which leaves me simply.. right. Any fool can look back after being proven and make a big deal of it. I haven't stopped making a big deal of it from the first. Hence..--> The difference. Imaginary misconstructions of me having a tense "tone" or "casing" after several explanations to the contrary are simply unfounded pushes.

 

 

Using fancy vocab =/= your argument is correct. Just wanted to throw that out there

 

And I said your tone was TERSE, not TENSE, as in it was slightly defensive, and honestly that tone has just gotten worse as I see your speech has degenerated into personal attacks (saying EP plays pathetically, which don't get me wrong, was somewhat funny, but still, you shouldn't have to insult someone to get your point across).

 

That being said tho Darthe, honestly I think you're town at this point, mostly because you are trying to use various scumhunting methods, and also because you put out a nice list of your thoughts on players in the game. I always find that to be a very protown behavior, it gets your thoughts on everyone out in the open so no one can claim that you're being purposefully obtuse. But I still think you're barking up the wrong tree at times. Your reasoning on the speed of the no lynch train, whether it was first remarking upon it, or later saying it actually hadn't built that fast just by looking at the first and last votes, seemed pretty faulty imo.

 

Anyhoo, back to other game thoughts-

 

Darthe, stop you are making my spill my coffee.

 

Hi, Nol. Hey everyone Nolder is here so if we end up in doubt tomorrow we always have a back up plan.

 

I leave all real thoughts for the morning.if Despo let's me live ;)

 

 

 

A new day dawns, the sun shining down upon Almoth Plain and Toman Head. Not far outside of Falme, two women lie sleeping. But only one wakes. Horrified, she finds her companion dead, without a mark on her.

 

(Sorcha) Nynaeve al’Meara, Town Healer, has been killed.

 

Elsewhere, a party searching for the Horn waits near Falme as well. During the night, a small group of them ventured into the city in search of the Horn. But misfortune falls upon this group. In an attempt to secure the Horn, one is killed by a sword through his chest. Another falls prey to the actions of a captured damane.

 

(Lenlo) Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, has been killed.

 

Day 2 begins. Your deadline is Tuesday, September 18 @ 4PM CST.

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Retrospectively it seems pretty obvious why we had a third death in the day,

 

 

Uhm... it seems pretty obvious that Snow died from Fain's dagger, not from the actions of a captured damane imo...

 

We did not reach a majority the no lynch train did not succeed we used up our freebie. so I was right but nice try

 

 

A new day dawns, the sun shining down upon Almoth Plain and Toman Head. Not far outside of Falme, two women lie sleeping. But only one wakes. Horrified, she finds her companion dead, without a mark on her.

 

(Sorcha) Nynaeve al’Meara, Town Healer, has been killed.

 

Elsewhere, a party searching for the Horn waits near Falme as well. During the night, a small group of them ventured into the city in search of the Horn. But misfortune falls upon this group. In an attempt to secure the Horn, one is killed by a sword through his chest. Another falls prey to the actions of a captured damane.

 

(Lenlo) Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, has been killed.

 

Day 2 begins. Your deadline is Tuesday, September 18 @ 4PM CST.

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Retrospectively it seems pretty obvious why we had a third death in the day,

 

So this post isn't you suggesting that John's death was tied to the scene for Lenlo? Nice try buddy keep flailing, the Another falls prey to the actions of a captured damane. was referring to Rand as I said before based on the information we have recieved from all venues side note copy pasting screws up format.

 

my case on you is actually alot stronger than most of the other bs cases currently. like your case on the no lynch for example. sooooo shall we continue this logic battle? or are you ready to throw in the towel?

 

While I agree that you're right about the NL thing, and obv agree that the captured damane thing prob had nothing to do with John's death, I didn't realize you were actually casing Darthe, just correcting him or trolling him or something. Do you really think Darthe is scum?

 

Oh and I take offense to the "other bs cases" remark. I'd like to think I've presented some fairly good cases.

[hazelkrs1]

Figured I might as well get my thoughts out on everyone as well, since I may be dead come morning

 

Players:

1.Wombat JLM

2. John Snow - Rand al'Thor, Town Searcher and Watchmaker, Killed Day 2

3. Peace - Renna, Mafia Vote Thief, Lynched Day 2

4. EP

5. wheeloftime Turin

6. Player

7. Tiinker Nolder

8. BG

9. GF

10. LZM

11. Lenlo - Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, Killed Night 1

12. Niel

13. Sakaea

14. Nightstrike

15. notbob

16. dicetosser

17. Despo

18. Shinori

19. Sorcha - Nynaeve, Town Healer, Killed Night 1

20. Darthe

21. Rand

22. lolguy

 

I first wanted to cover the replacements: I'm always very wary of replacements as I find that inactive mafia usually get replaced more often than inactive town. In Wombat's case, he's been inactive everywhere; it's not just a case of him being too busy with other games or that kind of thing, so I'm willing to give a pass on JLM for now. WoT13 has in general been inactive in most mafia games I've seen (him/her?) in, and Turin usually gives enough thoughts that people can read on him when town, so hopefully he'll ease my mind soon. Tiinker, replaced by Nol, I'm more worried about between the three, mostly cause Nol seems to jump in very active, and has reraised all kinds of setup talk.

 

Hmmm.. you know what? There's really a few too many inactive players for me to properly do this list. Just realized there are a lot of players I don't have much of a read on. Niel, Kae, Dice, and lolguy all barely set off any moments of recollection for me.

 

I have faint scum (or antitown) reads on EP, NotBob, LZM, Nightstrike, Shinori, and GF. For the last two, unless there's some kind of weird gambit going on, I think one of them is prob town, while the other isn't. EP seems to be trolling Darthe recently, but day 1 played a lot more subdued than normal. NotBob I've already covered a few times, but in my reread I noticed there were several cases where he and Peace posted right on top of each other. LZM I hope a mafia or someone take out tonight, since I think he might be one of our Forsaken, but I kinda wish he'd post more as it's hard to get a read on him now. Nightstrike's last few posts pinged to me, for first buddying up to me then asking if others found me scummy, and also for the post count comment.

[Gabriel Kross]

1.Wombat JLM

2. John Snow - Rand al'Thor, Town Searcher and Watchmaker, Killed Day 2

3. Peace - Renna, Mafia Vote Thief, Lynched Day 2

4. EP

5. wheeloftime Turin

6. Player

7. Tiinker Nolder

8. BG

9. GF – Claims Hurin, Cop

10. LZM

11. Lenlo - Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, Killed Night 1

12. Niel

13. Sakaea

14. Nightstrike

15. notbob

16. dicetosser

17. Despo

18. Shinori – Claims Elayne Trakand

19. Sorcha - Nynaeve, Town Healer, Killed Night 1

20. Darthe

21. Rand

22. lolguy

 

Green (town) and Purple (mafia) are my reads on people. Red and Blue are corriner reports. People who aren't highlighted have either not contributed much at all or I have a null read on.

 

Shinori, strange and weak claim but I believe it

EP – Majorly pushing game mechanic talk and third party talk, attacking now confirmed townies

LZM pings a lot, mostly quiet otherwise

WoT13 being quiet

Grandeal Favorite supports mass reveals and tries to lynch Matt quickly but says he believes the claim, claims cop, Hurin

Nightstrike not here much

BG comes from nowhere and pushes John to not use his power

Kae was scummy early

 

My mafia list so far is:

LZM, EP, Kae, BG, and Rand.

 

My town list so far is:

Darthe, Despo, Niel, Nolder, Player, and JLM

 

These are all speculative of course but I feel pretty confident and intend to vote LZM in the morning.

 

I missed this because I was tired, please point to where I mentioned third party or go after confirmed townies no one is confirmed in my book yet, I don't fully trust GF his story changes every time he posts I won't chance lynching him but in my book right now just because he says someone is town doesn't mean they are. Remember based on the original story his and Shinori's sides hadn't matched up. When I mentioned this GF's story changed to that his action was a day action. So yeah...

[Gabriel Kross]

Nolder I accidentally greened you. EP, when was the last time you were actually right about something in mafia? Rand, that's based on my impressions of D1 and your interactions with peace. I have claimed I was silenced etc before in games to protect myself. You could have done the same. Still, you're low on my list and we will see how you play tomorrow.

 

I happen to be right alot more than people give me credit for actually.

 

 

Also Desp, the case comment was about Darthe's no lynch case and Peace's case on Rand and we already saw what Peace flip scum, so yeah. Also I'm not trolling Darthe I'm waving the BS flag on pretty much 90% of what he's been saying.

 

My case on Darthe is this:

He votes Peace day 1 when there really is not a reason and uses the I told you so sentiment later hoping for town cred probably.

He keeps stubbornly saying the no lynch was a bad move, when the majority of us didn't seem to have any good leads left to go on day 1 so we wouldn't have reached majority on a player just as we failed to reach a majority on the no lynch

He tries to discredit me with completely faulty logic saying we did succeed in the no lynch and also backpedals claiming he didn't try to link John's death to the Seanchan

His reasons for suspecting me atleast in his suspect list are totally fabricated I did not talk about third party or go after anyone that I view as a confirmed towine.

[dapianoplay3r]

Im so over nnight. Huurry upp people

[Gabriel Kross]

Waiting for the day~ woah-oh~

[dicetosser1]

im still around des my problem is that claim or no claim i dont trust shinori something just feels off. and GF as i most recently posted is making me question. He/she? seems to keep changing the role. Like EP said suddenly his role was a day action. shrug im seriously thinking to vote one of those 2 next altho i would be willing to look at LZM

[Nightstrike]

I've trusted GF, but it does indeed seem like he's changed his claim from cop to something else. The cop would have done well not to counter claim this early. LZM and GF do look like possible suspects in my book.

[Nightstrike]

I think Despo, Darthe and player are townies. I'm don't feel particularly convinced about many others..

[Nolder]

Figured I might as well get my thoughts out on everyone as well, since I may be dead come morning

 

Players:

1.Wombat JLM

2. John Snow - Rand al'Thor, Town Searcher and Watchmaker, Killed Day 2

3. Peace - Renna, Mafia Vote Thief, Lynched Day 2

4. EP

5. wheeloftime Turin

6. Player

7. Tiinker Nolder

8. BG

9. GF

10. LZM

11. Lenlo - Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, Killed Night 1

12. Niel

13. Sakaea

14. Nightstrike

15. notbob

16. dicetosser

17. Despo

18. Shinori

19. Sorcha - Nynaeve, Town Healer, Killed Night 1

20. Darthe

21. Rand

22. lolguy

 

I first wanted to cover the replacements: I'm always very wary of replacements as I find that inactive mafia usually get replaced more often than inactive town. In Wombat's case, he's been inactive everywhere; it's not just a case of him being too busy with other games or that kind of thing, so I'm willing to give a pass on JLM for now. WoT13 has in general been inactive in most mafia games I've seen (him/her?) in, and Turin usually gives enough thoughts that people can read on him when town, so hopefully he'll ease my mind soon. Tiinker, replaced by Nol, I'm more worried about between the three, mostly cause Nol seems to jump in very active, and has reraised all kinds of setup talk.

1. Activity is frowned on?

2. New to the game so giving my thoughts as I catch up. Reraising setup talk kind of comes with the job of rereading a game.

3. Tiinker wasn't really inactive. He got caught up being busy and requested to be replaced. It's a subtle difference to actually being replaced without being requested IMO.

[Darthe]

1.Wombat JLM

2. John Snow - Rand al'Thor, Town Searcher and Watchmaker, Killed Day 2

3. Peace - Renna, Mafia Vote Thief, Lynched Day 2

4. EP

5. wheeloftime Turin

6. Player

7. Tiinker Nolder

8. BG

9. GF – Claims Hurin, Cop

10. LZM

11. Lenlo - Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, Killed Night 1

12. Niel

13. Sakaea

14. Nightstrike

15. notbob

16. dicetosser

17. Despo

18. Shinori – Claims Elayne Trakand

19. Sorcha - Nynaeve, Town Healer, Killed Night 1

20. Darthe

21. Rand

22. lolguy

 

Green (town) and Purple (mafia) are my reads on people. Red and Blue are corriner reports. People who aren't highlighted have either not contributed much at all or I have a null read on.

 

Shinori, strange and weak claim but I believe it

EP – Majorly pushing game mechanic talk and third party talk, attacking now confirmed townies

LZM pings a lot, mostly quiet otherwise

WoT13 being quiet

Grandeal Favorite supports mass reveals and tries to lynch Matt quickly but says he believes the claim, claims cop, Hurin

Nightstrike not here much

BG comes from nowhere and pushes John to not use his power

Kae was scummy early

 

My mafia list so far is:

LZM, EP, Kae, BG, and Rand.

 

My town list so far is:

Darthe, Despo, Niel, Nolder, Player, and JLM

 

These are all speculative of course but I feel pretty confident and intend to vote LZM in the morning.

 

I missed this because I was tired, please point to where I mentioned third party or go after confirmed townies no one is confirmed in my book yet, I don't fully trust GF his story changes every time he posts I won't chance lynching him but in my book right now just because he says someone is town doesn't mean they are. Remember based on the original story his and Shinori's sides hadn't matched up. When I mentioned this GF's story changed to that his action was a day action. So yeah...

 

You have mentioned third party before. Dead people are pretty confirmed and you pushed all of their lynches D1 before being early on the no vote with little reasoning. Your other posts amused me but I do not intend to respond to all of them, it is unnecessary and pointless. There is probably some ancient saying about one sided battles of wits but honestly the term always makes me think of the episode of South Park where Cartman is a psychic so I won't make the rude comparison.

 

On to important things, Despo I have to agree with you that I probably read too much into the scene. I still consider all information viable unless proven otherwise but that one probably isn't valid. Also, I don't use big words .

 

I still intend to vote LZM tomorrow but this is becoming quite the lucritive night. IMO this is how the game should always be played, night should be just as useful for scumhunting as day. ALSO!!! If we have three people hunting fain and other investigative roles potentially.. or at least many other power roles.. we may not have a cop. I think the option is worth noting considering the claim at hand and how it was presented. Either way, dear god THIS PERSON :perrin: needs to stay hidden. When is day??

[JenLenaMom]

 

 

NIGHT 2 DEADLINE: WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 19 @ 6PM CST.

[Shinori]

I'm gonna state this even if i do die, cause that would suck.

 

I was neighborized by X player in this game.

 

Apparently neighborizer fails on certain targets, and it was used night 1 on GF, but that failed. Upon that failing night 2 it was used on me.

 

Not sure why the neighborizer failed the first night though, just know that it fails on some targets and nothing bad happens in return. It just fails.

 

Hmmm... so you DID find out you were targeted this time. But wait... first of all how do you know about these results? If you were given results before day officially broke, you should have waited for Alanna to say that it was day already. Second, why were you told that a neighborizer on GF failed? Doesn't seem like the kind of info you would normally be let in on... I suppose it could be stuff that is being talked about on the neighbor QT, but still... something doesn't quite seem right. And the fact that GF's viewing didn't activate your absorber ability also worries me.

Because I'm in a neighborizer QT. I assumed since I was in this I could go ahead and talk about what I learned in said QT. If shes giving out night results early then night talk for town should be banned. I know the neighborizing failed only because the neighborizer told me they used it on night 1 and it failed. I was their next choice and it worked.

 

Well, I didn't even notice being targeted.

 

Oh, I'll warn, that though I function as a cop, that isn't my actual role. For one I view at day, and with some restrictions, which I won't go into in case I should survive. Just so no one is surprised.

 

So after seeing Shinori say that something DID successfully activate his absorber ability, GF comes out and says his ability actually works as a Day Action. This seems extremely suspect to me, to say the least. Shouldn't he have two results by now? I'm not saying he had to give both of them, but he def made it seem like he only had one this time. Not only that, but the Day Action thing seems like a convenient excuse for why Shinori didn't absorb the ability.

 

My role does say specifically if someone targets me at night I may absorb and use their ability THAT NIGHT. This is also why I also know about my ability already.

 

I'm thinking we might have to test GF's results at some point, and see if he's just jerking us around or something.

 

Responses above in bold.

 

I really think GF should be lynched or shot or something