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I always figured that Rand would bring Galad in at some point. Earlier in the series, when he took Cairhien, I figured he would name Galad as regent or that maybe he would allow the Whitecloaks, under Galad's leadership, to make Cairhien their new home after the Seanchan took control in the west.

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I've tried to figure out if Galad has a bigger part to play in the story. He is Galahad - the perfect knight. I like the way RJ turned that into doing what's right no matter the consequence. But, unless there's a mission that Rand needs done by someone who will do what's right no matter the consequence, I don't know if Galahad has a bigger role to play.

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There is this - Galahad received a vision of the Grail in Arthurian legend. He was the perfect knight and the only one to come as far in finding the Grail for Arthur. Now, the Grail was used to catch the blood of Christ. Rand is a Christ figure. Rand's blood needs to be shed on the rocks of Shayol Ghul. That doesn't necessarily mean that Rand needs to be there if his blood is somehow brought there:

 

"Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.

Once for mourning, once for birth.

Red on black, the Dragon’s blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow. [5]

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul,

washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man’s salvation. [22]"

 

Perhaps, Galad will bring it or even stab Rand so that it happens - he does whatever is the right thing to do no matter the consequence.

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Well, Galad is of Rand's blood so his own blood spilling should suffice. I do hope their kinship has a purpose, because so far Rand being of Andoran nobel line has been of no consequence.

 

Hmm Galad stabbing Rand wasn't something I considered. I always thought Gawyn seems the more likely. But Galad might not take Rand's announcement so well, his mother did abandon him...

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I always saw galad tied more to the perrin storyline. Other than the fact that they are (half) brothers, we never have seen any major interaction between the two, and never really had any reason to.

 

Regardless, has Rand told anyone his mother is tigraine? I dont think he's mentioned it on screen.

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At one point i thought that Rand and Galad meeting up at some point wasgoing to be important. But as the books progressed it didn't seem as important. It was more like an interesting conversation piece

 

"Hey Rand, you remember that Galad fellow, one of your lovers half brother? Yea that one. Did you know he is your half brother too?" Some random dude.

 

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I always saw galad tied more to the perrin storyline. Other than the fact that they are (half) brothers, we never have seen any major interaction between the two, and never really had any reason to.

 

Regardless, has Rand told anyone his mother is tigraine? I dont think he's mentioned it on screen.

 

I don't think anyone knows except him.

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There is this - Galahad received a vision of the Grail in Arthurian legend. He was the perfect knight and the only one to come as far in finding the Grail for Arthur. Now, the Grail was used to catch the blood of Christ. Rand is a Christ figure. Rand's blood needs to be shed on the rocks of Shayol Ghul. That doesn't necessarily mean that Rand needs to be there if his blood is somehow brought there:

 

"Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.

Once for mourning, once for birth.

Red on black, the Dragon’s blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow. [5]

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul,

washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man’s salvation. [22]"

 

Perhaps, Galad will bring it or even stab Rand so that it happens - he does whatever is the right thing to do no matter the consequence.

 

Actually the Gail was the cup used in the last supper, the one that held the wine. the bible is not clear on whether this was the same one that was used to catch his actual blood

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I always saw galad tied more to the perrin storyline. Other than the fact that they are (half) brothers, we never have seen any major interaction between the two, and never really had any reason to.

 

Regardless, has Rand told anyone his mother is tigraine? I dont think he's mentioned it on screen.

 

I don't think anyone knows except him.

 

Dyelin knows, she's the one who told him (LoC16), but I don't think anyone else was present.

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I always saw galad tied more to the perrin storyline. Other than the fact that they are (half) brothers, we never have seen any major interaction between the two, and never really had any reason to.

 

Regardless, has Rand told anyone his mother is tigraine? I dont think he's mentioned it on screen.

 

I don't think anyone knows except him.

 

Dyelin knows, she's the one who told him (LoC16), but I don't think anyone else was present.

 

Dyelin didn't actually make the connection though, Rand did. That is, Dyelin thought Rand ressembled Tigraine, and Rand told her that is mother was a maiden of the spear I believe, which obviously Dyelin does not know is what Tigraine became.

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Does it strike anyone as odd that Galad isn't High Seat of House Mantear? My only guess is that his parents knew he'd have a chance at the Sun Throne but not the Lion Throne, so they made him a Damodred. But does it really come down to a choice (i.e., can't you be both)?

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There is this - Galahad received a vision of the Grail in Arthurian legend. He was the perfect knight and the only one to come as far in finding the Grail for Arthur. Now, the Grail was used to catch the blood of Christ. Rand is a Christ figure. Rand's blood needs to be shed on the rocks of Shayol Ghul. That doesn't necessarily mean that Rand needs to be there if his blood is somehow brought there:

 

"Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.

Once for mourning, once for birth.

Red on black, the Dragon’s blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow. [5]

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul,

washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man’s salvation. [22]"

 

Perhaps, Galad will bring it or even stab Rand so that it happens - he does whatever is the right thing to do no matter the consequence.

 

Actually the Gail was the cup used in the last supper, the one that held the wine. the bible is not clear on whether this was the same one that was used to catch his actual blood

it's part of the Grail myths, not the Bible.

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I always saw galad tied more to the perrin storyline. Other than the fact that they are (half) brothers, we never have seen any major interaction between the two, and never really had any reason to.

 

Regardless, has Rand told anyone his mother is tigraine? I dont think he's mentioned it on screen.

 

I don't think anyone knows except him.

 

Dyelin knows, she's the one who told him (LoC16), but I don't think anyone else was present.

 

Dyelin didn't actually make the connection though, Rand did. That is, Dyelin thought Rand ressembled Tigraine, and Rand told her that is mother was a maiden of the spear I believe, which obviously Dyelin does not know is what Tigraine became.

 

I'm sure she suspects it, though. She asks Rand what his mother's name is, and he tells her it was Shaiel. Dyelin looks relieved; but then says: "I know it is only chance, yet I see Tigraine in your face." The conversation continues about Tigraine, and about Gitara. She must surely have put it together.

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I always saw galad tied more to the perrin storyline. Other than the fact that they are (half) brothers, we never have seen any major interaction between the two, and never really had any reason to.

 

Regardless, has Rand told anyone his mother is tigraine? I dont think he's mentioned it on screen.

 

I don't think anyone knows except him.

 

Dyelin knows, she's the one who told him (LoC16), but I don't think anyone else was present.

 

Dyelin didn't actually make the connection though, Rand did. That is, Dyelin thought Rand ressembled Tigraine, and Rand told her that is mother was a maiden of the spear I believe, which obviously Dyelin does not know is what Tigraine became.

 

I'm sure she suspects it, though. She asks Rand what his mother's name is, and he tells her it was Shaiel. Dyelin looks relieved; but then says: "I know it is only chance, yet I see Tigraine in your face." The conversation continues about Tigraine, and about Gitara. She must surely have put it together.

 

If she knows that Shaiel went to the waste then I imagine she figured it out. I'm not sure she knows that. Even so if the ressemblence is such that every andoran noble stares at Rand for it, then she may suspect anyway.

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I doubt Dyelin made the Shaiel connection (and there's no reason she would since nothing indicated that anyone knew where Tigraine went - infact as far as we know Tigraine made sure NOT to tell anyone). So Dyelin knows that Rand grew up in the TR and he has named specific Aiel has his parents, I think that would be enough to make her stop wondering. She will not forget his likeness to Tigraine, but unless something very specific happens that makes her rethink it, I doubt this will lead anywhere.

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Does it strike anyone as odd that Galad isn't High Seat of House Mantear? My only guess is that his parents knew he'd have a chance at the Sun Throne but not the Lion Throne, so they made him a Damodred. But does it really come down to a choice (i.e., can't you be both)?

 

Thank you for asking a question that has bugged me! Galad's the only grandchild of Modrellin (sp?) herself. Of course he'd be the obvious choice for High Seat of House Mantear, right?

 

And wouldn't Morgase want Galad to have that leverage?

 

Seems like an arbitrary choice by the author to me.

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Given the relationship between Galad and Morgase, him being the High Seat of House Mantear would be out of place. He loves her with passion and devotion and is, given that, more properly a ward (and now an adult) of House Trakand. For all intents and purposes Morgase adopted Galad as her son and treats him so, with all of the rights and responsibilities befitting a lord of her house. He hasn't been a part of Mantear in any substantive way since Morgase took the throne and married Taringail Damodred.

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Given the relationship between Galad and Morgase, him being the High Seat of House Mantear would be out of place. He loves her with passion and devotion and is, given that, more properly a ward (and now an adult) of House Trakand. For all intents and purposes Morgase adopted Galad as her son and treats him so, with all of the rights and responsibilities befitting a lord of her house. He hasn't been a part of Mantear in any substantive way since Morgase took the throne and married Taringail Damodred.

Very true.

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Well, Galad is of Rand's blood so his own blood spilling should suffice. I do hope their kinship has a purpose, because so far Rand being of Andoran nobel line has been of no consequence.

 

Hmm Galad stabbing Rand wasn't something I considered. I always thought Gawyn seems the more likely. But Galad might not take Rand's announcement so well, his mother did abandon him...

 

No, Rand is an analogy of Jesus. It has to be his blood that spills to save the world. Jesus has half brothers too, but they were not able to take his place.

 

But I agree about Galad being a little touching if Rand comes out and says "Galad, I know your mom left you and you thought she was dead, but she was actually in the Aiel Waste starting a new family and getting pounded by my dad"

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There is this - Galahad received a vision of the Grail in Arthurian legend. He was the perfect knight and the only one to come as far in finding the Grail for Arthur. Now, the Grail was used to catch the blood of Christ. Rand is a Christ figure. Rand's blood needs to be shed on the rocks of Shayol Ghul. That doesn't necessarily mean that Rand needs to be there if his blood is somehow brought there:

 

"Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.

Once for mourning, once for birth.

Red on black, the Dragon’s blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow. [5]

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul,

washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man’s salvation. [22]"

 

Perhaps, Galad will bring it or even stab Rand so that it happens - he does whatever is the right thing to do no matter the consequence.

 

Actually the Gail was the cup used in the last supper, the one that held the wine. the bible is not clear on whether this was the same one that was used to catch his actual blood

it's part of the Grail myths, not the Bible.

 

The actual grail myths place it as the cup from the last supper. Only the Authurian legends claim it was the cup that was used to collect his blood.

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Yeah i was sure it was going to be a bigger deal than it has been so far... maybe it will be a bigger deal in the last book, who knows.

 

Though Dragon Thyne... i'm not sure if that scene would be touching or make Galad stab rand in the face for putting it that way. I mean he's already killed one man for raping his step mother, imagine how he would react to the "mommy loved you so little she ran off to be with MY dad because she loved us more" Galad might single handedly win the last battle for the shadow over that :tongue:

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There is this - Galahad received a vision of the Grail in Arthurian legend. He was the perfect knight and the only one to come as far in finding the Grail for Arthur. Now, the Grail was used to catch the blood of Christ. Rand is a Christ figure. Rand's blood needs to be shed on the rocks of Shayol Ghul. That doesn't necessarily mean that Rand needs to be there if his blood is somehow brought there:

 

"Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.

Once for mourning, once for birth.

Red on black, the Dragon’s blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow. [5]

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul,

washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man’s salvation. [22]"

 

Perhaps, Galad will bring it or even stab Rand so that it happens - he does whatever is the right thing to do no matter the consequence.

 

Actually the Gail was the cup used in the last supper, the one that held the wine. the bible is not clear on whether this was the same one that was used to catch his actual blood

it's part of the Grail myths, not the Bible.

 

The actual grail myths place it as the cup from the last supper. Only the Authurian legends claim it was the cup that was used to collect his blood.

There is this - Galahad received a vision of the Grail in Arthurian legend. He was the perfect knight and the only one to come as far in finding the Grail for Arthur. Now, the Grail was used to catch the blood of Christ. Rand is a Christ figure. Rand's blood needs to be shed on the rocks of Shayol Ghul. That doesn't necessarily mean that Rand needs to be there if his blood is somehow brought there:

 

"Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.

Once for mourning, once for birth.

Red on black, the Dragon’s blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow. [5]

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul,

washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man’s salvation. [22]"

 

Perhaps, Galad will bring it or even stab Rand so that it happens - he does whatever is the right thing to do no matter the consequence.

 

Actually the Gail was the cup used in the last supper, the one that held the wine. the bible is not clear on whether this was the same one that was used to catch his actual blood

it's part of the Grail myths, not the Bible.

 

The actual grail myths place it as the cup from the last supper. Only the Authurian legends claim it was the cup that was used to collect his blood.

The Holy Grail myth comes over a milennia after Christ. Most believe the story of Perceval to be its origin. Perceval is a knight of the round table.

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