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thisguy

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  1. I love finding historical and mythological realities that became fodder for Mr Jordan's imagination when creating his world in TWOT. Recently, I've been looking at the evolution of coffee into the drink many of us consume today. In Europe, the Dutch were the first of the European powers to bring plants over and sell, what was a highly desired commodity, to the rest of Europe. The Dutch (the mayor of Amsterdam to be precise) gave King Louis a plant, which was a hugely prized and coveted gift. Long story short (look into it), the plant was stolen by a man from the French Navy. This man had asked Louis for a clipping of the tree. The King said no. The man later scaled a wall at night and took some clippings. He boarded a boat where he had to fight off crew members to keep the clippings and later the crew had to fight off pirates. Finally, he made it to the Caribbean and grew many plants. He was finally forgiven by Louis and his plants became the coffee plants that would populate the Caribbean and the Americas. Obviously, the Tree of Life in the book draws from Judaism, Norse mythology, and Buddhism, but I believe this story in many ways matches the story of the Aiel giving the Cairhienin clipping from the Tree of Life and the chaos that ensued from this gift. Just food for thought.
  2. Let me guess who they are Much like Cads I have little sufferance for kooks. The people that have put in the time at this place know what I'm about and have always backed me to the hilt. That's all that truly matters to me. I will say as I've indicated to you in the past I've come to respect your debate style and feel as if we have met in the middle on quite a few topics. Further how many times have I provided you with a piece of info you have been asking about or textual evidence to swing the debate one way or another. You know very well I'm not a troll and really there is no need to be so sensitive. Personnel attacks are one thing, commenting on a debate quite another. I honstly enjoy our talks and really am sorry if you took anything in a negative way. I've provided you with information, too. Something about Tenobia and Mat comes to mind which you were incorrect about. You were incorrect here saying that most of the men gentled by Cads live a life of almost normal length. You were incorrect about your statement about the Kin. As for being sensitive. I'm sitting here in my office smiling about this. I find it kinda humorous. Edit to add: it's the back of the Queen Flash Gordon album cover.
  3. Dude, as I've been contacted by people about you I've never spoken to before, I'm more than comfortable in what I've just said. If you're not trying to troll, you should learn how to speak to people. As others have said, you're very underhanded in the way you speak to people.
  4. So you are still peevish have nothing cocrete to counter with. Got it... Nah, you're a troll.
  5. Read the notes about Cad again. She is successful in reintegrating the men and they live just short of a normal life span. Not sure where you got the numbers above but they are incorrect. Not sure why you are just repeating yourself. They don't tell them they can't use the power. As for saying they can't impersonate AS they have every right to do so. Further we know they allow groups like the kin in which they knew they were actively channeling. They essentially jus tell them to keep a low profile. In a world in which any action of a female channeler will be blamed on AS that is totally understandable. where did I say anything about impersonating AS? Why are you repeating yourself? Unbelievable. You just said something about Cads that was incorrect and I've seen you say it several times on these boards. They knew about the kin but didn't let the kin know they knew - they never told the kin to keep a low profile. The kin did that on their own out of fear for AS retribution. Again, who are they to tell free people what they can do?
  6. I always wondered the same thing - there must have been another dagger or knife, or at least a fork back at SL for Mordeth. I had assumed that "Fain" (i.e. Mordeth + DO-distilled soul darkfriend Fain) would have some trouble, because of the Fain part, to go back to Shadar Logoth. Enough at least to justify going to Tar Valon instead of there. You may be right, but why would that be?
  7. I thought they mostly lived about 10 years, which is more than a gentled man usually lives.
  8. They don't put any limits on how to use the power IRRC. They tell them not to band together or impersonate AS. There is no rule against using the OP. I'm pretty sure they tell them to use it as little as possible. Or, at least, I'm pretty sure Moiraine thought something about that when she was afraid she wouldn't pass her AS testing. I'd have to look again. And, again, who are they to tell people what they can or cannot do with a part of themselves - as long as it's not illegal or hurting someone else?
  9. The reds do what they have to do - or did. The seanchan are slavers and, personally, I don't condone it. But the AS, while nowhere near as bad, are a controlling lot themselves. Think about this - you're a woman born with the power, you're brought to the Tower and somewhere between Novice and AS you're thrown out or you quit - the Tower will tell you to use your power as little as possible or incur their wrath. Who the hell are they to tell you that? That's like being born with the ability to be a great fighter and joining your nations army and then deciding it's not for you and your monarch telling you to never pick up more than a paring knife. Actually, it's worse - the power is tied to your soul.
  10. I always wondered the same thing - there must have been another dagger or knife, or at least a fork back at SL for Mordeth.
  11. You're right. The first time you meet him he and some other dude had caught a badger to use in a prank on someone. And, if you read carefully, you'll notice that Perrin and Rand think of each other as being good with women for some time before Mat even comes into the woman picture.
  12. I agree thisguy. However, I think the best view we have of the situation is Padra's view. She sounds like a woman who never knew her Father. The Aiel can be considered cast away because he left with with no direction. He used them for war, left everyone instructions except for the Aiel, and left. That is pretty much casting away a people. It is how you'd treat a broken spear. I think the earliest view is the one where we can get the best idea of what happened to Rand. I said this in a thread somewhere today - basically, if the ending was written somewhere around the time when RJ wrote the beginning, I expect a Tolkien-esque ending for Rando. And, to be honest, I'm more than happy to see him have it. He'll be healed but weary and screwed up and take off (my guess, through the Portal Stones) at some point. Not right away. He'll spend some time with friends and family. Maybe, even give a few orders, then he's gone like Kaiser Soize. Edit to add - I feel the same way about him and his kids. That might not be a true vision of the future, though. From my reading, I believe any instructions he has for the world is going to be given at Merrilor (sp?). I think you have the spelling right. You're probably right, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has some private words for a few people, if he lives.
  13. I agree thisguy. However, I think the best view we have of the situation is Padra's view. She sounds like a woman who never knew her Father. The Aiel can be considered cast away because he left with with no direction. He used them for war, left everyone instructions except for the Aiel, and left. That is pretty much casting away a people. It is how you'd treat a broken spear. I think the earliest view is the one where we can get the best idea of what happened to Rand. I said this in a thread somewhere today - basically, if the ending was written somewhere around the time when RJ wrote the beginning, I expect a Tolkien-esque ending for Rando. And, to be honest, I'm more than happy to see him have it. He'll be healed but weary and screwed up and take off (my guess, through the Portal Stones) at some point. Not right away. He'll spend some time with friends and family. Maybe, even give a few orders, then he's gone like Kaiser Soize. Edit to add - I feel the same way about him and his kids. That might not be a true vision of the future, though.
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