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driedraspberry

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  1. I always thought of warders/AS as a fantasy version of bodyguards/celebrity. The power dynamic is very much skewed, but a warder is in many ways lucky to be the companion of this person who travels the world and dines with nobles and all the interesting folk. That said though there are some majorly messed up aspects to the bond from the warder's side that makes the relationship morally objectionable: the inevitability of death once the AS passes, the inability of the warder to mask the other's emotions unlike vice versa, and of course compulsion. Merise is that terrible boss that wants to own your whole life and treats you as property. Narishma can always ask her to free him, but hasn't so...shrugs.
  2. Those are cultural references not ethnic ones. You'd be hard pressed to find Persians that physically resemble Domani, they're much more like Cairhienin (pale with dark hair and dark eyes, smaller of stature...). I'm not going to claim that I've met many Persians, but I have met half a dozen, and most of them had bronze toned skin. The region is pretty diverse, however, so maybe I was wrong to make the comparison as a whole. Domani do have darker skin tones then characters ethnically native to the mainland setting, however. Most Persians have olive skin tones, not bronze, and they're usually quite fair. But there are always exceptions and tanning is popular with those living in Cali for example. The half a dozen people you met could have been either, but certainly that's a very poor sample size to make any sort of conclusions based upon. Cairheinin would have to be Asian or from the northern regions of middle east, because of their smaller stature and dark hair/eyes in combination to paler skin. I love the idea of Lan as a native American. I never thought of the Two Rivers folk as white since Rand looked so different that people were disinclined to believe there as his origins. In tEotW Rand has reddish-brown hair and a tan, so it's not like he has extreme Nordic features to distinguish him, and yet even despite that Elaida/Morgase don't buy him as being from Two Rivers. And yet Egwene/Nyn have no trouble fitting in other places like Tear, where in their group only Elayne was an obvious foreigner.
  3. Fair enough. My interpretation of Min only seeing glimpses was to account it to limitations of her ability. But fixed points make sense, though 100% probability of anything so complex is an uncomfortable notion. The DO's doing when he's partially free of his prison? That is a very small space of time altogether in the cycle, is it not?
  4. But how would we account for Min's viewings? Her viewings aren't restricted to ta'veren and they've happened all through her life. If Moraine is to be trusted, Min is seeing images and pieces of the pattern. And since Min's viewings always come true then it's pretty indicative that the pattern allows no one free will ultimately. Not even in little things like their marriage.
  5. True, those are fair points. And Egwene was all about adventure in a storybook type of way early on in the story, so it was fitting that she would go out in a blaze of glory. It's just strange to think that RJ might have thought to take her elsewhere.
  6. Who in WoT even has free? The characters are all pretty much bound by fate and whatever they do the pattern brings them back where they need to be. Rand and HotH get to live the same lives over and over, make the same mistakes. And they can't refuse, since the pattern weaves them where it wants. Rand really should've killed shai'tan.
  7. I wish he'd admit it. I'd like to know what made him decide on the death. The notion that it was done out of fan service is ridiculous, or I hope it is.
  8. My first WoT book was the Great Hunt and my first series love was the complex relationship of Siuan and Moraine, their manipulative streak, and AS politics.
  9. At first I thought Egwene's death had to have been RJ's decision, as there are many things in the books that could be interpreted as foreshadowing of that, but I'm not so sure anymore. I do think it's strange that Brandon is so reluctant to tell us anything. It's certainly possible that it was one of RJ's "either I will do this, or I might do this" type of scenarios that Brandon's mentioned before. Also, keep in mind that Brandon and Team Jordan are very good at Aes Sedai speak—Brandon told someone "I was instructed to make Cadsuane Amyrlin," but he never said by whom. It could just as easily have been Harriet who told him to do that. In any event, I hope they'll settle the issue at some point, because I'd really like to know what RJ's vision was, and Egwene's ultimate fate is IMO a very important part of that. Some people are already convinced that Brandon killed her off out of personal dislike or to please the haters, but I find that unlikely. If Egwene's death was decided by anyone other than RJ, my guess would be that it was actually Harriet's decision. I also think it's worth remembering that Siuan was reportedly one of Harriet's favorite characters, so a character being killed off isn't necessarily a sign that someone wanted to see the character punished. Egwene dying and moving on to the afterlife/being reborn is arguably a kinder fate than being left widowed and burned out. I haven't been around the boards for a while so just the thought of BS changing Egwene's fate is shocking. I have a hard time believing he would twist a happy ending around and kill her off. Maybe it was something heinous (RJ tortured women far more often than killing them, unlike their male counterpart) and BS didn't want that on his hands.
  10. Oh, wow, I'm kind of annoyed at BS now. Well, not really. But bummer. It's weird he decided to kill her off after Siuan's been the ultimate survivor pretty much all her life.
  11. Definitely GS. ToM was an interesting read in parts, Mat's plot was superb, but overall a mess. I'm all for battle porn but AMoL was almost nothing but. Ultimately I wish the three books had been combined into two.
  12. But are Mat, Perrin, Nynaeve, Egwene, Lan and Moiraine actually white? Aside from Lan's blue eyes and Moiraine's pale skin (common enough amongst PoC) none of them have features that identify them as white. In fact the uncommonness of blond/red hair and lighter eyes points to otherwise. Readers are the ones that see white as default unless the character is copper skinned or outright black, which funny enough doesn't account for most PoC at all. I personally thought Rand being called out as an Aiel or an Andoran noble in the earlier books was RJ prescribing European ethnicity to him, and by "othering" him pointing out that Randland is not vastly white. Those are cultural references not ethnic ones. You'd be hard pressed to find Persians that physically resemble Domani, they're much more like Cairhienin (pale with dark hair and dark eyes, smaller of stature...).
  13. Has RJ ever mentioned why LTT was nicknamed the Dragon, or mentioned dragons at all? I wonder if there were ever dragons in other ages or if we are to assume the concept of dragons was derived from the Dragon shooting saidin fireballs?
  14. Ditto on the world building and history of the series, the vast scope. I started on the series as a kid and was completely mesmerized by the idea of the Dragon destroying the world and being reborn, AS history, Aemon, the HotH...And the many aspects of Seanchan, WT/AS, WCs, various nobles, Aiel, and all the other factions were interesting in the way they contrasted made Randland conflicts more interesting than more homogenous power politics. Add to that Rand's obliviousness to his insanity, Nynaeve being well, Nynaeve, and Mat's "gift" were interesting character arcs and RJ delivered. Superior villains. I always thought everyone attached to the shadow being made so utterly heinous was unnecessarily, especially the forsaken who were inherently interesting for being from another society which would give them completely different view points and ideas about morality. Considering so many of them came from academic/philosophical backgrounds they could've ranged from general human attitude of tolerating own's associates' evil doing to Machiavellian to Semirhage psycho, but they were all like Voldemorts and Bellatrixs. While a few completely crazies are fun, when every single shadow associate is that way it starts to feel like disney version of fairytales. I understand that perhaps RJ wanted to distinct the shadow crowd from other morally questionable people (Seanchan, greedy nobles, WCs...) but it cheapened the struggle with the shadow. Some of the latter's failures could've been forgiven if there was more moral ambiguity to spice things up. The exception was Ingtar. His confession will forever be one of my absolute favorite moments in the series. And Dems. At least he was allowed the ability to love/be loved which Lanfear was apparently too evil for.
  15. I've always thought of Nynaeve being pretty tall 5'8"ish. Also didn't figure Egwene was 5'2". Also had her around 5'6" or 5'7". Actually I'd say I pretty much had Nynaeve down as being about that height. Small woman, over-bearing personality and towering ego. But yeah, I never had Egwene down as a midget. I thought the first description we got for Nyn and Egwene via Rand in tEotW was that they were small, dark women. 5'2" isn't a midget though, that's a pretty normal height for petit women. I wish Min was there. I started off thinking she'd be around Egwene/Nyn's height but then there is a part (via Elyane) where Min is in heels and apparently almost as tall as Avi who I thought was like 5'10-11. Since Rand isn't an exception amongst the Aiel I would think their women average at supermodel height, freakishly tall as they are collectively.
  16. Lan's talk with Ingtar? Didn't he sacrifice himself at the end of tGH so Rand and company could get away? Or maybe I've just forgotten something hahaLol oops, I got my Shienarans mixed up. I meant to write Agelmar if it wasn't obvious.
  17. I liked the sequences involving suspicion and eventual confrontation of the Great Captains. My favorite twist in aMoL. That one AS fireballed by a dozen Sharans. Nothing against the character, but it was a fine freaky moment and upped the tension for Egwene's situation. Perrin's injury. I got excited for like half a second thinking he would die. Tam and Rand sparring was rather touching (although I don't understand why they didn't do this from time to time while Rand was growing up. His status as a super blademaster could've been based on a lifetime of practice instead of a few months with Lan). Min getting her awesome on. She saved Tuon, outed Moghy, saved the LB...and never once was she a damsel in distress. Lan's talk with Ingtar. His shading Rand lol. His entire arc. Basically Lan everything. I know this was supposed to be Rand/Egwene/Perrin/Elayne/Mat's book primarily (Nyn and Moiraine who?) but that's not how it felt like to me. Perhaps it's because most of my fondest memories of aMoL are Lan scenes. Is there a thread for least favorites?
  18. Yes, it is certainly more realistic that Siuan got hit by a fireball and Gareth was cut down by a trolloc. But neither death even happened on screen. And this is a fantasy genre. I am certainly not reading this book to have a deeper understanding of the brutality of war. I am reading it because I want to read an epic story with heroic happenings. If the WoT was into realism, Egwene would have died from a snake bite in the Aiel Waste, Thom would have been killed by that Fade in Whitebridge, and Elayne and/or her babies would have fared significantly worse from having a blade stabbed into her abdomen. In fiction emotional impact is key. I thought Siuan's death was perfect. The shock of finding her body and Min's grief was absolutely painful to read. If we had seen her die I don't think it would've been as powerful. I thought the moment she made the choice to stay and die was epic in it's own way. My only complaint with Gareth's death was the way it was written when Elayne found his corpse. I don't think it was necessarily to have him die onscreen since Warder death-rage is predestined and lacks the usual tension as we know death is absolutely unavoidable. But the aftermath could've packed more punch. Now the Basheres' deaths was lame. Can't be onscreen, fine. But there was absolutely nothing there for emotional impact. And considering the huge role Dev's played since forever it was a big let down.
  19. I disagree completely. Anyone who read the series had to see what was coming. The transmitigation was no suprise at all to me, I expected it. It was almost a let down because it was exactly what we expected.i also couldnt disagree more. You dont need a forum to know that something happened when balefire crossed. i would say that at least 50% of the readers suspected that rand and moridin would merge or switch bodies during the last battle. My theory, for years, was pretty much exactly what happened. That Rand would somehow take over moridins body during the last battle. that the "3 women over a funeral byre...with you on it" viewing was actually a dead Moridin in rands body. And i came to this conclusion without ever visiting the message board. The problem is that we've been given no explanation at all of the mechanism through which it occurred. I always knew body switch was a likely possibility, but I was keen to learn just how it would happen. The only way we've seen characters body hopping simply doesn't work in Rand's case due to the warder bonds. Some explanation was necessarily. I accept mysteries like Rand and the lit pipe remaining that way, but the body switch should have been explained. I wonder if BS was left no clue as to how it did happen, maybe RJ hadn't even worked it out yet.
  20. Rand tricked Moridin and was controlling him when the Bore was sealed. If anyone was burned out, it would have been Moridin...not Rand. And from Halima, we know that channeling is connected with the soul; not the body. I meant he's not channeling to light the pipe. Whatever happened duringthe switch did not preserve Rand's ability to reach saidin. If you disagree it's fine, but I don't see much point to arguing it.
  21. Rand tricked Moridin and was controlling him when the Bore was sealed. If anyone was burned out, it would have been Moridin...not Rand. And from Halima, we know that channeling is connected with the soul; not the body. I meant he's not channeling to light the pipe. Whatever happened duringthe switch did not preserve Rand's ability to reach saidin. If you disagree it's fine, but I don't see much point to arguing it.
  22. Sigh, whatever he is doing it's not channeling saidin, so still burned out.
  23. No saidin in the void is pretty conclusive, I would think.
  24. Egwene isn't cold at all, she's just strong. I could see plenty of reasons to dislike her character, but I can't imagine how you could call her cold. Egwene is most certainly cold, just look at her treatment of Nynaeve. Ice cold. Now there is nothing wrong with that inherently, and her position requires it of her, but there is no point denying it.
  25. Yep. That was very, very unbelievable. From the potrayal of the monarchs of Rand Land for the past 12 books, very few of them would have been willing to accept Elayne as their supreme commander. Not a chance in Rand Land. Given that the Dragon Reborn is 20 (and most of those monarchs already swore fealty to him), the Amyrlin the same age as Elayne, and they were the main power players at the meeting besides Elayne herself, it's really not that strange. She didn't need to be a military genius, she was supposed to coordinate the efforts and let strategy to the great Captains. This. And I don't see how Elayne being pregnant has to do with anything. She's six months along and probably more physically fit than some of the older monarchs, never mind that she's a powerful channeler.
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