Monopoly Mafia [GAME OVER]

[hazelkrs1]

Cool, no deaths. This just makes the game more interesting.

 

Actually, David was already pinging me, and honestly this looks like he's trying to make the obligatory "yay, no deaths" post, yet he doesn't offer any speculation whatsoever why it might have happened. Kinda seems like a terse tone too, mebbe his team aint so happy their kill didn't go through.

 

Vote David

 

I still wanna hear from Nightstrike and BG

 

Oh and since we had zero deaths, it just kinda supports the theory of us having a vig even moar, since I doubt a SK would have holstered. Once again tho, they could have just missed the deadline.

[Nightstrike]

What do you want to hear from me for?

[dicetosser1]

im thinking i heard enough to decide my vote

 

vote BG

[Razen]

@ Des - I honestly don't know why I would be targeted. The only person I FoS'ed was you for the way you had worded your response to my reply regarding Rand's comment about the cards. Like you said, I wasn't at the center of anything major on Day 1. Of the theories that you outlined above, I think the theory that they were going to FoS me is the most likely. I'm beginning to think that whomever did it was going to try and build something against me and watch as I couldn't respond (which would make me look guilty of whatever they were accusing me of), but with Tress revealing that Lenlo was not a town aligned player, they had to push that to the side. I suspect that they were going to try again today, but it didn't succeed. They COULD have gone after someone else, but why let me reveal that there is a silencer?

[hazelkrs1]

Well an easy answer to that is that they may not be able to target the same person twice, which is usually the case when dealing with silencers. After all, it would be pretty lame to keep continuously getting silenced

[Arez Al'Loke]

After all, it would be pretty lame to keep continuously getting silenced

 

Have been in 2 games where that was possible /cry..

[RandA lThor]

Arez was silenced, that must have felt wierd. Did everyone think you were scum or something, because you are always active in games. :)

[Blackhoof]

in my ghost town game the mafia kept silencing the same people several times in a row... it was mean :P

[Razen]

in my ghost town game the mafia kept silencing the same people several times in a row... it was mean :P

 

That person was me... *sad face*

[Blackhoof]

PaleMerlot suffered to

[Razen]

I remember that - and Arez faking it to make it look like he had been silenced when he really wasn't.

[AndrewLee]

My first WoT. I'm so freaking proud right now. *sniffle* I got something in my eye!

 

Now moving on... Many of David's posts at the beginning weren't making a whole lot of sense to me. See below.

 

If you think about it, if we went for a lynch and got a townie and then another townie got nightkilled then that is two townies down very quickly. This way we can delay the onslought. On the other hand, Nolder may have made more bad cards than good cards to sort of balance the "no lynch" for that day; who knows. My personal opinion is that it's better for two townies to get killed over two day cycles than in one cycle. And as arez mentioned (I think) it's better to find out what the cards are like now than later.

 

And has anybody else noticed that Nolder has yet to tell us the deadline for day 1? Another point to raise is that if no lynch gets the overall vote, we will then have to vote for either the community chest or chance, which will take more time.

 

This post for instance, was all over the place. I couldn't tell if he was FOR or AGAINST the No Lynch here at first, until Darthe came right out and asked.

 

Despora, what's the point at this point in the game to vote for anyone, EP or anyone for that matter? My reasoning is that Nolder has yet to post the deadline for day 1. So for a lynch to happen at this point a lot of people will have to unvote on the No lynch and vote someone they found suspicious. Which will take a while. I would be surprised if this day ended without the majority on the No lynch wagon. Then even if No lynch gets the majority we will then have to vote again for which card we want (community, chance or neither). It's alright to post your suspicions and thoughts but isn't it a waste of time to vote for a player at this point?

 

This post and the first one, among others, make me feel like David here was trying to shove us all toward the No Lynch option as quickly as possible under the pretense of not wasting out time or something. Perhaps to attempt to shorten the Day One slip-ups and case building as much as possible. I mean really: 'isn't it a waste of time to vote for a player at this point'?

 

I agree with bgrishinko: We can experiment on day 1 rather than later. And to those that feel we are rushing this No lynch wagon, really it doesn't feel as if we are rushing at all, but rather having a look and then "deciding" and casting their vote. I feel that we are moving along quite slowly, and it does sometimes feel painfully slow. I mean, are we going to wait for 3 or 4 real life days for someone to make a really big slip up, and then we can can all cast our votes on him/her? At the moment, all anyone can do is conjecture and go on gut feelings: "this post feels a bit off" or "this post is a bit odd and maybe something scum would do". I'm not saying don't post your (referring to everyone) thoughts as this keeps the game lively, but I feel that we should cast our votes on something rather than waiting a week for something promising to ping and then casting our votes.

 

This is also very weird. He keeps talking about how much time it's going to take if someone actually tried to build a case, and wouldn't it all be better for us to go ahead and No Lynch on Day One to get it over with? *eyeroll* Not Townie behavior.

 

I don't know what WIFOM stands for, but my answer is I'm for the no lynch day.

Just for my sake can day 1s last a week inreal life time? and what's the normal duration?

 

Again, he brings up how much TIME everything would take. Suddenly he's asking for MORE time? Whut?

 

Eternal Pheonix, could you qoute the posts that you feel gave you information on possible suspects, so that the rest of us can maybe glean something. you don't have to give any reasoning or explanation. There's really no point in keeping information to yourself when you could help the town, and since you claim that you are vanilla, there is probably little chance that you will be nightkilled, so you have nothing to lose by giving voice to your thoughts on who are suspect.

 

There's EVERY REASON to keep information to yourself when you could help the town. Especially on Day One I think. Give it up too early, and you don't make it to Day Two. Feels like he's fishing here. Mafia clearly didn't believe EP when he said he was Vanilla, I mean look at that, he got NK'd anyway, didn't he?

 

Nolder, just to clarify, after this night, will we be in "Day 3" of the game?

 

Oh, so very hopeful.

 

oh right. well this is a very interesting mistake on Nolder's part. But either way, don't you think that it would have come out majority for chance anyway?

 

He really wants to keep that Card.

 

so i was gonna vote EP...now what do i do??

 

We are lucky in that it seems the 2 who were killed were not power roles i suppose...

Why were you going to vote for EP? He outright claimed to be vanilla, and I personally believed him, and as it turns out he was vanilla.

 

So, for those reasons: vote Dicetosser1

 

Those reasons were poor reasons.

 

So, so summarize, David continuously pushed for that No Lynch and Card draw, up to the point of reminding others to vote already. From the beginning this felt to me like something that would only be good for Mafia. He keeps bringing up how much TIME it'll take since we didn't have a deadline. He fishes for EP information. On Page 17, he seriously reaches to throw suspicion on Wombat for what was clearly not an actual reveal, then tries to brush it off as a misunderstanding.

 

He also seems very over-eager and 'yay town'. Very friendly, and playful, misses the obvious. I think he's really overplaying the 'newbie, I know nothing' card in this game. Or at least, he's TRYING to.

 

VOTE DAVID

[alannalynn]

That went quickly-- why does so much happen when I'm away. Anyways, like I said elsewhere, sorry I'm quiet on Fri/Sat. And today my fam is over for a birthday so I'll have more to say tonight on game-matter.

[Songstress]

I remember Arez suggesting you'd been silenced in Soy's game to try to make your lurking look less suspicious. It's actually what tipped me off that he was scum, since town wouldn't have known there was a silence ability in the game.

 

That said... As I mentioned yesterday, I suspect BG is not town.

 

vote Lenlo

 

Makes sense to me. Someone trying to take over would probably be a bad guy. Makes me think town is property and mafia are the pieces... Maybe moneybags is leading the show.

 

Nol's opening post makes it pretty darn clear that Mr. Moneybags and the railroad barons are the mafia, and the individual landowners are the town. My role PM also makes it clear, although I did have the special meeting invitation so the text of other town role PMs may not have quite as much there. BG's post sounded like he wasn't quite sure that the property owners are the town, and the assumption that the pieces are mafia is just... really odd. I expect BG to pay more attention than that to what little information we're given on setup, to be frank. And if he's not sure the individual landowners are the town, I don't think he's actually one of them.

 

He could possibly be another third party. Third party apparently represents the corner squares, although despite Len's bah post suggesting there are 3 others, I am not sure whether he would even know that or how Nol would represent "Go" or "Free Parking" with a character. *shrug*

 

Andrew just made an excellent case on David while I was typing this up (thanks DM for notifying me *cheer*) and I'm going to want to go back through and re-read before I vote to see what else stands out at me.

[Songstress]

(you in my post there being Razen.... way to pay attention to the ninja posts but forget I hadn't referenced who I was talking to )

[Nolder]

Votecount

David - Des, Andrew (2)

BG- dicetosser1 (1)

 

Not Voting: Arez, alannalynn, Razen, Rand, Lessa, Thorum, Blackhoof, Basel, BG, Songstress, Peace, Darthe, Nightstrike, David (14)

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is Wednesday at 10:00 PM PST.

[alannalynn]

I agree on the David points-- waiting to hear his defense.

[Thorum]

im thinking i heard enough to decide my vote

 

vote BG

Why?

 

In other things, big studies almost always conclude someone is mafia. However, I've rarely seen a case as strong as this one. Hence: David

[Blackhoof]

i am quite impressed with the case on david. good job andrew :)

 

let us see what some pressure gets us

 

vote David

[Nolder]

Votecount

David - Des, Andrew, Thorum, Blackhoof (4)

BG- dicetosser1 (1)

 

Not Voting: Arez, alannalynn, Razen, Rand, Lessa, Basel, BG, Songstress, Peace, Darthe, Nightstrike, David (12)

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is Wednesday at 10:00 PM PST.

[Thorum]

What happens if we miss deadline?

[Blackhoof]

a random lynch, isnt it?

[Thorum]

In this game, it could mean a card as well.

[Nolder]

It's in the rules...

 

If a deadline is missed a NO LYNCH will occur but you don't get a card either

Just goes straight to Night

[David Hermes]

My first WoT. I'm so freaking proud right now. *sniffle* I got something in my eye!

 

Now moving on... Many of David's posts at the beginning weren't making a whole lot of sense to me. See below.

 

If you think about it, if we went for a lynch and got a townie and then another townie got nightkilled then that is two townies down very quickly. This way we can delay the onslought. On the other hand, Nolder may have made more bad cards than good cards to sort of balance the "no lynch" for that day; who knows. My personal opinion is that it's better for two townies to get killed over two day cycles than in one cycle. And as arez mentioned (I think) it's better to find out what the cards are like now than later.

 

And has anybody else noticed that Nolder has yet to tell us the deadline for day 1? Another point to raise is that if no lynch gets the overall vote, we will then have to vote for either the community chest or chance, which will take more time.

 

This post for instance, was all over the place. I couldn't tell if he was FOR or AGAINST the No Lynch here at first, until Darthe came right out and asked.

 

Despora, what's the point at this point in the game to vote for anyone, EP or anyone for that matter? My reasoning is that Nolder has yet to post the deadline for day 1. So for a lynch to happen at this point a lot of people will have to unvote on the No lynch and vote someone they found suspicious. Which will take a while. I would be surprised if this day ended without the majority on the No lynch wagon. Then even if No lynch gets the majority we will then have to vote again for which card we want (community, chance or neither). It's alright to post your suspicions and thoughts but isn't it a waste of time to vote for a player at this point?

 

This post and the first one, among others, make me feel like David here was trying to shove us all toward the No Lynch option as quickly as possible under the pretense of not wasting out time or something. Perhaps to attempt to shorten the Day One slip-ups and case building as much as possible. I mean really: 'isn't it a waste of time to vote for a player at this point'?

 

I agree with bgrishinko: We can experiment on day 1 rather than later. And to those that feel we are rushing this No lynch wagon, really it doesn't feel as if we are rushing at all, but rather having a look and then "deciding" and casting their vote. I feel that we are moving along quite slowly, and it does sometimes feel painfully slow. I mean, are we going to wait for 3 or 4 real life days for someone to make a really big slip up, and then we can can all cast our votes on him/her? At the moment, all anyone can do is conjecture and go on gut feelings: "this post feels a bit off" or "this post is a bit odd and maybe something scum would do". I'm not saying don't post your (referring to everyone) thoughts as this keeps the game lively, but I feel that we should cast our votes on something rather than waiting a week for something promising to ping and then casting our votes.

 

This is also very weird. He keeps talking about how much time it's going to take if someone actually tried to build a case, and wouldn't it all be better for us to go ahead and No Lynch on Day One to get it over with? *eyeroll* Not Townie behavior.

 

I don't know what WIFOM stands for, but my answer is I'm for the no lynch day.

Just for my sake can day 1s last a week inreal life time? and what's the normal duration?

 

Again, he brings up how much TIME everything would take. Suddenly he's asking for MORE time? Whut?

 

Eternal Pheonix, could you qoute the posts that you feel gave you information on possible suspects, so that the rest of us can maybe glean something. you don't have to give any reasoning or explanation. There's really no point in keeping information to yourself when you could help the town, and since you claim that you are vanilla, there is probably little chance that you will be nightkilled, so you have nothing to lose by giving voice to your thoughts on who are suspect.

 

There's EVERY REASON to keep information to yourself when you could help the town. Especially on Day One I think. Give it up too early, and you don't make it to Day Two. Feels like he's fishing here. Mafia clearly didn't believe EP when he said he was Vanilla, I mean look at that, he got NK'd anyway, didn't he?

 

Nolder, just to clarify, after this night, will we be in "Day 3" of the game?

 

Oh, so very hopeful.

 

oh right. well this is a very interesting mistake on Nolder's part. But either way, don't you think that it would have come out majority for chance anyway?

 

He really wants to keep that Card.

 

so i was gonna vote EP...now what do i do??

 

We are lucky in that it seems the 2 who were killed were not power roles i suppose...

Why were you going to vote for EP? He outright claimed to be vanilla, and I personally believed him, and as it turns out he was vanilla.

 

So, for those reasons: vote Dicetosser1

 

Those reasons were poor reasons.

 

So, so summarize, David continuously pushed for that No Lynch and Card draw, up to the point of reminding others to vote already. From the beginning this felt to me like something that would only be good for Mafia. He keeps bringing up how much TIME it'll take since we didn't have a deadline. He fishes for EP information. On Page 17, he seriously reaches to throw suspicion on Wombat for what was clearly not an actual reveal, then tries to brush it off as a misunderstanding.

 

He also seems very over-eager and 'yay town'. Very friendly, and playful, misses the obvious. I think he's really overplaying the 'newbie, I know nothing' card in this game. Or at least, he's TRYING to.

 

VOTE DAVID

First I want to clear some misunderstandings on Andrew's part. I've never tried to play the newbie card in this game, and my misunderstandings were genuine. I didn't know wombat was referring to how a jailer role worked in another game. And I wasn't asking for more time, if you read what I said I wanted to know what was the normal duration for Day 1, not that I'd like an extension to Day 1. I think I've come to the conclusion that it's between 4 to 7 days. Which is a bit too long in my opinion anyway.