There Goes the Neighborhood (Game Thread) - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[SBoydW]

Vote Count:

 

Darthe (4) -Tina, Kae, Nyn, peace

Ishy (2) - AH, Hoof

Hoof (1) - Basel

Arez (1) - Darthe

peace (1) - Ironeyes

 

Deadline : http://www.timeandda...in=&sec=&p0=412

[Sakaea]

I'm voting for Hoof actually...and I explained my vote last day phase, when I voted for him then, just FYI.

[John E. Kelley]

Ishy - explain why you voted Kae all yesterday.

 

Because this game took a nasty turn on Day One and I didn't care to participate. It got far too personal and contentious so I just stayed away. I didn't feel comfortable with the direction that the game was taking so I just waited it out. Now that the principles involved are gone, I'll try to get involved again.

[peacesells]

 

Based on this, I’m thinking that the scum are railroading Darthe. There have been a lot of votes for him for weak reasons, all happening just after TinaHel voted him with a decent explanation. I think they just jumped on.

 

So… I’m going to vote Peacesells for now.

 

Lol..wiseguy...Tina piggy backed my reasoning. Go back and re read.

[Nynaeve]

Based on this, I’m thinking that the scum are railroading Darthe. There have been a lot of votes for him for weak reasons, all happening just after TinaHel voted him with a decent explanation. I think they just jumped on.

 

So… I’m going to vote Peacesells for now.

 

Hah. Loads of votes? Only three people are currently voting for him. But beyond that... taking this stance implies that you believe Darthe to be town. Why would that be, I wonder :P

 

 

 

Nyn

[Ironeyes]

Based on this, I’m thinking that the scum are railroading Darthe. There have been a lot of votes for him for weak reasons, all happening just after TinaHel voted him with a decent explanation. I think they just jumped on.

 

So… I’m going to vote Peacesells for now.

 

Hah. Loads of votes? Only three people are currently voting for him. But beyond that... taking this stance implies that you believe Darthe to be town. Why would that be, I wonder :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Good point.

[Ironeyes]

'Cause I don't (I don't really think anybody's town at this point).

[Ironeyes]

That was incoherent. Let me rephrase: I have no clue who is the enemy right now.

[keyholder21]

WoT incoming, warning:

 

Oookay. Apologies for me being a day later than I thought. RL and all that.

 

The votes on Darthe made something niggle in the back of my head, so I went back and looked his posts...

 

I have an idea that I've been chewing on for the last few games, and this seems like the perfect one to try it. Screw casing and metagaming on day one, let's use raw numbers to figure out who to lynch on Day 1.

 

[...]

I agree with this but think you may have the wrong game since he is in two others that he is still alive in. Also, I feel like I just went through MAFIA 101 with Mynd. Statistically speaking though, He has a 33% chance of being non-town, and in three games that he has those odds that is equivalent to a .11 chance of being scum in any particular game. I like where your head is Mynd (because you are thinking the way i do =p) but lets not hastily form this train. The poor boy is starting to look a lot like Blackhoof ;)

Also, lets see who jumps on this since yours was so obvious.

 

Eh, I am tired of the joke vote. Unvote for now. Also, how does Nyn have 2 on her with only Razen on?

Unvoting because you are tired of the joke vote is scummy.

 

Mynd is acting off here and in another game. I figure he has to be scum in at least one of them. Vote Mynd. I don't like how this is being played so far.

So, you liked where his head was, but now you think he's acting off and needs to be voted? Interesting turn around.

 

[…]

So, your actions have not served the town. That in conjunction to your other plays is what leads me to believe that you are mafia, and painting me, nol, nae, and christine is scummy. I am sure that we will find one scum between the four now (especially if you are scum), but we will see.

Again stating that you thought his actions made him scum...despite agreeing with him earlier and

 

 

To clarify all of this, Mynd, your argument was mathematically flawed earlier in the game and you got a substantial train built because of it. That you were right is impressive =) and also practically outs you because you started the train on EP. With this in mynd, Unvote, Vote Ishy.

 

Christines play has been odd for this and based on the info she has given us it seems that she has some external reasons for doing so.

 

EP, well he was overplayed as a character and I am sorry to see the game end like that for him.

 

Ishy on the other hand, has popped in just long enough to flare up this conflict a bit and then sat back. He has also supported the losing side of it. This pay off is threefold: first if we had lynched mynd and mynd flipped town then we would assume ishy was as well by proxy and following his good judgement he could lynch another two or so without too much question; second, it provides good evidence for people later if someone needs to grasp at straws to formulate a vote; thirdly, if you know who is scum and who isn't then you need a cover for any erratic behavior you may show during a game. This was his simplest method of covering for a while. Of course, I could be wrong here but I don't think so this time.

 

Is player actually behaving strangely or is that just him? This is a sincere question as I do not think I have played with him before.

 

 

Bold – once again stating that it was flawed, when before you liked it.

Underlined- maybe I'm being paranoid, but this seems fishy to me. As if you knew he'd flip town and want to look town yourself.

 

Lol no worries I am changing it anyways. I had not read the last page when I did that because I didn't realize that it was there but Nolder actually has pinged me more with his reactions here. He is fighting an extremely flawed fight atm.

 

Unvote, Vote Nolder.

 

 

30 minutes later unvote...

 

I agree, it does not make him innocent. That said, it does make him more likely to be innocent for now.

 

 

 

I am not buying this. Nol acted scummily. BH overreacted like normal and Ishy has been pretty much normal ishy. Mynd deserves some suspicion but Nol moreso at the moment. It seems to me that the case being built is a bit estranged. Equally odd to me is that though many of you are questioning Mynd nobody is voting him yet people are jumping on a BH train virtually unnoticed.

Seems contradictory to the above, imo.

 

 

Save it for the day please. Also, sorry Nol that was suspicious though. Going for BH if I make it through the night, he has been the next scummiest so far. Unless things drastically change in the night at least.

 

 

So, you noted in the previous post that people were jumping on a BH train unnoticed but now you say you're going after BH if you survive. Which brings me to..

What happened to save it for the day phase?

Haha, that was in case I get NK'd. Besides, role revealing is very different from voting intentions.

 

 

Why would you be worried enough about being NK'd to say that? Seems like either a) you are scum trying to appear two or b) have a power role and are trying to get the doc to protect you.

 

 

Yes, revealing is different than voting intentions, but either can possibly get you killed.

 

 

Oh and I have been watching this and Little Miss and Arez both stick out to me. Perhaps it is just that I don't know her but little miss seems a bit overplayed, however Arez is my bigger candidate at the moment. It's a meta, but those of you who have played with him should be able and confirm as well as I that he is NEVER anything close to this quiet, not even when he has a power role. ).) Got him lynched as doc in two other games.. But seriously, that is beyond odd to me. If I am missing a post where he proclaimed an LoA let me know but until then

 

unvote, vote Arez

 

Arez? What happened to voting for BH? I thought he was scummiest to you? And after ALL the commotion on D1, which gives us a LOT of info to look at, you are voting someone who has been somewhat absent because of meta?

 

 

Vote Darthe.

[keyholder21]

Some things that stuck out to me non-Darthewise as I was going back through the game:

 

Ok, I've compiled my cross check list like I stated yesterday I would do.

 

Vote Count:

 

Nolder (13) - Mynd, Darthe, BG, songstress, Razen, Kaylee, kae, Nyn, Little Miss, Lenlo, Key, Ironeyes, Piano

 

The following didn't agree with Mynd's theory but didn't vote for Nolder. Their intentions should be considered still.

 

Piano

 

Key

 

Razen

 

Kae somewhat...Mynd being Mynd but thought theory was crap

 

 

 

 

Actually peace, my name is on that list as voting for nolder. So are the rest of the people on your list that you state didn't vote for him.

 

I'm a caffeine junkie too. My shot of choice is an Irish Car Bomb. The Red Bull keeps me going for a long time. Plus, it hides the fact that Jager tastes like mule piss.

 

 

Warder love, a Car Bomb does NOT have Jager or Red Bull in it. You either meant to say JagerBomb (or Bull Blaster), or you mixed up the ingredients.

 

 

You say this as though Mynd being correct about EP automatically makes him town. I'm still open to the possibility of him being scum, either as sacrificing EP to vet himself as town, or as a competing scum. EP was specified as a member of the Italian Mob. I'd find that oddly specific if there was only one scum team. In a game with this many players, Mynd could be a mafia from a non-Italian faction.

 

 

Just wanted to pull this out to remind myself. This is the first time you mention there being two scum teams – you brought it up again in a later post. I repeat, do you know something we do not? The name could be flavor.

 

 

Unvote, on the condition that I will vote you again tomorrow unless you do exactly as you said you would.

If nobody else wants him to live, I'll revote Nolder. But I'm not hammering.

 

 

Weird. And Scummy.

[Razen]

Also, Tina the math was simply not there and that was the reasoning behind Mynd's vote. Yes it worked and so I have shut up about it since, but the logic was flawed. Disagreeing with that process does not make me scummy. If you choose to use that logic then in this game I am almost certainly not Scum because I was in the Ferngully match and in Hunters vs. Shifters. The truth is that I have the same odds here, as do we all.

 

I find the bolded completely contradictory to what you said on day 1 when Mynd was around (aka what has been quoted above by Tina). You said you agreed with the theory. You said that you were having the same line of thought as Mynd's. Your issue with Mynd's vote on EP was clearly not because you thought his theory was bogus... but rather that in your opinion, EP's roles in current games made him incompatible to the theory. As well as thinking that he doesn't deserve to become the new Blackhoof.

 

And yet NOW you say that the math is simply not there. And that disagreeing with it doesn't mean you're scummy. I agree, it doesn't. But you didn't disagree with the theory on day 1 and now you suddenly do? I'm not liking the way you seem to be switching stances...

 

And what also bothers me is your following comment to Tina. If you think the math is flawed and the theory is bogus then you don't get to use it to portray yourself as likely town. Can't have it both ways.

 

 

Vote Darthe

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Disagreeing with the process doesn’t make you look scummy, but the fact that you were so in favor of it yesterday, and only now are coming out against it is interesting in my opinion. As Nyn has pointed out here, you can't say that the logic was flawed, then proceed to say that it must mean that you are probably town. I think that you are trying too hard to make yourself look town. First, you ended up agreeing with a theory put forward by Mynd on Day 1, then when he's dead one day later, you distance yourself from said theory by saying that it's rubbish now? Why the flip-flop?

 

Sorry if I sounded arrogant, but you are arguing vehemently against mynds theory, AFTER his death. You have also acted like Nae was a supporter of the theory, when she never was.

 

This one intrigued me a bit. This is Hoofy’s explanation of why he voted for Ishy. After looking back and seeing what Nae had to say on this subject, I’m thinking that the way Ishy reacted after Mynd’s death is slightly odd.

 

Right now, it’s a toss up for me between Darthe and Ishy. Of the two, I think that Darthe has been far more inconsistent in his reasoning and his justification of votes. As Key has noted above me, Darthe was highly suspicious of Hoof, yet votes Arez (on Day 2) on nothing more than meta, when he had already stated that he found Hoof the scummiest player. Vote: Darthe.

[Aiel Heart]

Will try to reread at some point tomorrow

 

...also did the "if I die" post...

Sing with me!

 

"If I die young..."

bury me in satin

lay me down in a bed of roses?

[Basel Gill]

I'm a caffeine junkie too. My shot of choice is an Irish Car Bomb. The Red Bull keeps me going for a long time. Plus, it hides the fact that Jager tastes like mule piss.

 

 

Warder love, a Car Bomb does NOT have Jager or Red Bull in it. You either meant to say JagerBomb (or Bull Blaster), or you mixed up the ingredients.

 

I was wondering if anyone else caught that. Is a Bull Blaster the same thing as a Jager Bomb? And yes, Jager does taste like mule piss.

 

 

You say this as though Mynd being correct about EP automatically makes him town. I'm still open to the possibility of him being scum, either as sacrificing EP to vet himself as town, or as a competing scum. EP was specified as a member of the Italian Mob. I'd find that oddly specific if there was only one scum team. In a game with this many players, Mynd could be a mafia from a non-Italian faction.

 

 

Just wanted to pull this out to remind myself. This is the first time you mention there being two scum teams – you brought it up again in a later post. I repeat, do you know something we do not? The name could be flavor.

 

Key, since you keep harping on this, I just have to ask: how is speculating about game design scummy? Seriously. If I say that Soy could have made such-and-such role one shot, or it looks like he put in something or other, is that a sign of alignment? I said that I thought Mynd could be on a different scum team than EP. A few people have mentioned that Mynd being right about EP didn't automatically make him town, is it that much of a stretch in a large advanced game that he may have been scum and still not known EP's alignment? I lost your line of reasoning the first time you mentioned it, it may be with a bunch of missing socks somewhere. Were our positions reversed, this would be something so totally insignificant that I would barely take notice, aside from considering your idea on its merits. Which, btw, you don't seem to have done.

[keyholder21]

Well, it depends. Apparently Bull Blaster is what it is *technically* called if the bartender simply pours the jager and Red Bull in a glass together. A real Jagerbomb has you dropping it in the red bull, just like you drop the Jameson&Baileys into the Guinness in a CarBomb. BUT the laypeople (including me, even though they are disgusting) all call the poured kind a JagerBomb, so *shrugs* up to you.

 

Basel, I am not harping on it. I have mentioned it precisely twice. And this time was even referring to my first post about it. I just think it reads as oddly specific thinking there are two mafia teams and that you mention that not once, but twice - both times about two separate mafia teams. What if there is a cult and a mafia? Or just one large mafia team? Or three small teams? You don't see how your commenting about two teams both times could look suspicious?

[Darthe]

Are you seriously using Drunk Mafia^TM posts against me now? I promise you all, you don't want to vote me. I am going to bed in 15 minutes, and will be up in around 6 hours before work. I will check in once, and I ask that if I am at L-1 or L-2 that you all hold off on hammering til then.

[Basel Gill]

Well, it depends. Apparently Bull Blaster is what it is *technically* called if the bartender simply pours the jager and Red Bull in a glass together. A real Jagerbomb has you dropping it in the red bull, just like you drop the Jameson&Baileys into the Guinness in a CarBomb. BUT the laypeople (including me, even though they are disgusting) all call the poured kind a JagerBomb, so *shrugs* up to you.

 

Basel, I am not harping on it. I have mentioned it precisely twice. And this time was even referring to my first post about it. I just think it reads as oddly specific thinking there are two mafia teams and that you mention that not once, but twice - both times about two separate mafia teams. What if there is a cult and a mafia? Or just one large mafia team? Or three small teams? You don't see how your commenting about two teams both times could look suspicious?

 

Well, now that you explain it, maybe I do see what you mean. I honestly hadn't considered a cult, and as for three teams, I mentioned two because it seemed simpler in an Occam's Razor way... if I think that there could be multiple scum teams, then I'll go with two unless I see evidence of three (or more). Maybe I should have just said "more than one" instead of two. What it boils down to is that Ishy was presenting EP's flip as confirming that Mynd was town, before Mynd died and gave us his own flip. I don't know if that was a ploy or if Ishy honestly believed that when he made the post. I found his reasoning faulty and gave cases where this wouldn't be true. One was Mynd using EP to vet himself (although I think EP flying off the handle wouldn't have been part of the plan even if Mynd had been scum). The other possibility was that Mynd really didn't know EP's alignment despite not being town himself. And in the end, it turned out to all be irrelevant, since Mynd was town after all.

 

And as for the Jager and Red Bull, I don't do either of those (dropping the shot into the RB or pouring them together). I take them separately, knock the Jager back fast so that I don't even taste how vile it is, and then chase it with the Red Bull to wash down any lingering flavor from the Jager and cleanse my taste buds. I usually have to specify this to bartenders even at the place I go to the most.

[Blackhoof]

Unvote, Vote Darthe.

ishy was acting weird, but he WAS playinbg Drunk Mafia. maybe he got his games or people mixed up? whatever the explanation he comes up wwith when he finally returns, Darthe has not voted me like he said he would. realised that you had nothing, did you?

[Ironeyes]

Unvote, on the condition that I will vote you again tomorrow unless you do exactly as you said you would.

If nobody else wants him to live, I'll revote Nolder. But I'm not hammering.

 

 

Weird. And Scummy.

 

Yeah, I was following the crowd. This game had overwhelmed me with the combination of coming in as a replacement and the sheer nuttiness of the stuff I missed. I'm up to speed now.

[Ironeyes]

Are you seriously using Drunk Mafia^TM posts against me now? I promise you all, you don't want to vote me. I am going to bed in 15 minutes, and will be up in around 6 hours before work. I will check in once, and I ask that if I am at L-1 or L-2 that you all hold off on hammering til then.

 

Not happening. Last time I advocated letting a certain somebody speak before his execution, his defense somehow managed to hoodwink the town into letting him and his scum team win the game! From now on, WE KILL WITH SPEED!!!

[John E. Kelley]

Are you seriously using Drunk Mafia^TM posts against me now? I promise you all, you don't want to vote me. I am going to bed in 15 minutes, and will be up in around 6 hours before work. I will check in once, and I ask that if I am at L-1 or L-2 that you all hold off on hammering til then.

 

Not happening. Last time I advocated letting a certain somebody speak before his execution, his defense somehow managed to hoodwink the town into letting him and his scum team win the game! From now on, WE KILL WITH SPEED!!!

 

I have no idea what you're talking about. Never happened.

[Ironeyes]

Yay country!

Will try to reread at some point tomorrow

 

...also did the "if I die" post...

Sing with me!

 

"If I die young..."

bury me in satin

lay me down in a bed of roses?

Sink me in the river

At dawn

[Ironeyes]

Are you seriously using Drunk Mafia^TM posts against me now? I promise you all, you don't want to vote me. I am going to bed in 15 minutes, and will be up in around 6 hours before work. I will check in once, and I ask that if I am at L-1 or L-2 that you all hold off on hammering til then.

 

Not happening. Last time I advocated letting a certain somebody speak before his execution, his defense somehow managed to hoodwink the town into letting him and his scum team win the game! From now on, WE KILL WITH SPEED!!!

 

I have no idea what you're talking about. Never happened.

 

You know exactly what I'm talking about, buster! That was the game where you pulled off that brilliantly timed unvote to get yourself vetted town.

[John E. Kelley]

Are you seriously using Drunk Mafia^TM posts against me now? I promise you all, you don't want to vote me. I am going to bed in 15 minutes, and will be up in around 6 hours before work. I will check in once, and I ask that if I am at L-1 or L-2 that you all hold off on hammering til then.

 

Not happening. Last time I advocated letting a certain somebody speak before his execution, his defense somehow managed to hoodwink the town into letting him and his scum team win the game! From now on, WE KILL WITH SPEED!!!

 

I have no idea what you're talking about. Never happened.

 

You know exactly what I'm talking about, buster! That was the game where you pulled off that brilliantly timed unvote to get yourself vetted town.

 

Still not ringing a bell. You must be confused sir.

[Ironeyes]

Either that or you're drunk. Which is more likely?

[Ironeyes]

Ah-hem...

Still no bells?