[ADVANCED/KITCHEN SINK] The Axe or the Hammer - GAME OVER

[Red2111]

BG your assumption of being re-directed doesn't add up.

 

 

from what i can remember about Levi/Cauthons reveal was these were his NA's

 

 

N1 - Red -> Nyn

N2 - Ishy -> Ed

 

 

 

so why are you claiming that your target of Soy N1 was redirected? as well as your target for N2. especially since Cauthon claimse his re-direct role was a one way re-direct.

 

 

atleast Red -> Nyn is what we have on the list of info for what Levi put down as her N1 action.

[Red2111]

and how exactly would you know if you were redirected on N2 BG. your talking as if you were told you were re-directed to Meesh, but your not told if your NA is re-directed. and besides, the person you targetted and the person you were re-directed to don't add up to what the re-director revealed.

 

 

everything in post #1373feels like WIFOM and misdirection imo

[Verbal32]

Wow. Lack of internet sucks.

 

Good news: my internet is fixed at home!!

 

Bad news: I'm going to be away from my home tomorrow until Sunday. I might be able to sneak a few posts in at an internet cafe, though. My iPhone is coming this Monday, so I'll be 100% at that time.

 

 

My sincere apologies to Amadine - this was awful luck. I'm mostly caught up, so I should be able to contribute going forward. I'm on vacation today, so I'll be checking in whenever I'm home for a few minutes through today into tomorrow morning.

 

Hope everybody had a great holiday!

[Nynaeve]

BG your assumption of being re-directed doesn't add up.

 

 

from what i can remember about Levi/Cauthons reveal was these were his NA's

 

 

N1 - Red -> Nyn

N2 - Ishy -> Ed

 

 

 

so why are you claiming that your target of Soy N1 was redirected? as well as your target for N2. especially since Cauthon claimse his re-direct role was a one way re-direct.

 

 

atleast Red -> Nyn is what we have on the list of info for what Levi put down as her N1 action.

 

 

What list? O_o I'm confused. Levity herself said she redirected BG on night 1 to me (quotes in my day 2 sum up on the previous page). BG is the one claiming he did not get redirected on night 1.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Red2111]

i'm referring to the list that Kae and i are keeping to try and keep track of all the bloody reveals and crap on our QT board. i assume others are keeping lists like this in their notes as well.

 

 

we have Levi stating that her N1 action was Red -> Nyn, meaning any NA targetting me got redirected to Nyn.

[mmeeshal]

Umm, you might want to keep a better eye on your notes, then.

 

Personally, I'd rather you reveal, since you HAVE caused so much confusion and I think it would help clear things up if you do; but it's really your choice.

I think I'm just going to do it, then.

 

I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal my character? but I am, indeed, a role-manipulator--a re-directing role. Now, here's what I'm confused about.

 

Let me use an example for clarity: Let's say that I am a Finder role. I am suspicious of Meesh and ultimately decide to scan her--however, my action gets re-directed to Nyn. Now, do I get any specific notifications that my investigation was re-directed to Nyn, or do I instead ONLY get Nyn's alignment instead of Meesh's, leading me to believe that Meesh is whatever alignment Nyn is?

 

This troubles me, because in every other mafia community I've played, it worked somewhat like this:

 

"Me: I wish to scan player X tonight

Mod: You scanned player Y and got <insert alignment here>"

 

My original plan was to test if BG at least had an actual night action or not. For example, if he had claimed to scan someone and did not mention being informed that his action was altered, it would lead me to believe he didn't truly have a night action at all. But if players here aren't even informed of this, then this means only I know the player he got re-directed to last night, UNLESS I myself got roleblocked somehow.

 

I also re-directed his action to a player I myself found only a tiny bit suspicious of D1; I didn't reveal this because I wanted to conceal my FLAWLESS MASTER PLAN which obviously only served to cause needless shenanigans. And I understand there was a number of other ways my idea could go awry, but I never take considerable risks in mafia and wanted to take a chance for once.

Oh, and my re-directing ability in particular: I can choose a player each night and re-direct their action to someone else.

 

so, uh, yeah.

 

Levity clearly stated that her N1 action was BG -> Nyn (I forgot to get the quote where she said she had redirected him onto Nyn, but we're all in agreement about that anyway). She also clearly stated that targeting someone moves THEIR action onto someone else, not an action done to that person. Basically, she targeted BG, and assuming he had a finding, instead of targeting Soy as he planned, he ended up getting results on Nyn instead.

 

I don't know where your name came into it, or the change in what you're claiming Levi/Cuathon's role did...this is interesting to me.

[bgrishinko]

I'm making my NA public in case I die.

[bgrishinko]

TL;DR version: Putting aside extreme and unlikely circumstances (such as two redirectors) either BG is lying or Red/Sakaea are lying

 

would you say that's accurate BG?

 

 

I'd say that's the long and short of it, yeah, except the 2 redirectors part. I was switched night 2, I got A DIFFERENT NAME than I submitted. It wasn't Cuathon. Therefore, there must be another switching role they haven't told us about...

[Red2111]

then my notes were wrong. as i keep stating, i never got fully caught up in this blasted game because something keeps comming up. not an excuse, just stating a fact.

 

 

still doesn't explain the stuff BG was saying about being re-directed N2 and knowing he was re-directed which as the main point i was saying didn't make sense, that and how he's so sure he got re-directed. your not told if you get re-directed.

 

 

ninja'd by BG. what do you mean different name than you submitted? you only check alignments, so i don't see why you would even be told anything more than wehter a person is Lightsworn or not BG.

 

 

[Red2111]

Night 1: viewed Soy, got Soy as lightsworn. I learned on thread that I was redirected to Nyn. I assume this to be truth and accept that my read on Soy was not conclusive, but it was actually a view of Nyn.

 

 

see this is why i keep getting hung up on this. when a known re-director targetted BG, he wasn't informed that he'd been re-directed.

 

Submitted view: Soy

Mod Response : Soy is Lightsworn

 

 

yet now BG is claiming that the mod let him know on N2 that he was re-directed by giving a different name than he sent in,

 

Submitted View: Wombat

Mod Response: Meesh is Lightsworn

 

 

which doesn't make since considering he was never told N1 (when we know he was re-directed) that he was re-directed

[Red2111]

TL;DR version: Putting aside extreme and unlikely circumstances (such as two redirectors) either BG is lying or Red/Sakaea are lying

 

would you say that's accurate BG?

 

 

I'd say that's the long and short of it, yeah, except the 2 redirectors part. I was switched night 2, I got A DIFFERENT NAME than I submitted. It wasn't Cuathon. Therefore, there must be another switching role they haven't told us about...

 

 

to the underlined. i'm assuming your talkign about myself and Kae. all we saw on N1 was "re-direct" listed. we have stated this many times. we ARE NOT informed if the same person is targetted more than once. each name is only listed once and each role is only listed once.

 

 

so even though N1 we only had 1 "View" listed, the word "View" is ambigous enough to apply to multiple types of finder roles

 

 

 

stop trying to damn hard to get me and my team mate lynched.

[bgrishinko]

Night 1: viewed Soy, got Soy as lightsworn. I learned on thread that I was redirected to Nyn. I assume this to be truth and accept that my read on Soy was not conclusive, but it was actually a view of Nyn.

 

 

see this is why i keep getting hung up on this. when a known re-director targetted BG, he wasn't informed that he'd been re-directed.

 

Submitted view: Soy

Mod Response : Soy is Lightsworn

 

 

yet now BG is claiming that the mod let him know on N2 that he was re-directed by giving a different name than he sent in,

 

Submitted View: Wombat

Mod Response: Meesh is Lightsworn

 

 

which doesn't make since considering he was never told N1 (when we know he was re-directed) that he was re-directed

 

Those are pretty close to the exact responses I was given.

 

This is why I wanted your list so bad on Day 3 before I said what happened. It may have helped to clear not only your names if Wombat and Meesh were targeted, but also Cuathon if Ishy and Ed were on there.

 

Or if you had the actions list it may have listed a switch or something since it seems to behave different than the redirect.

[Netbattler11]

*headdesk*

 

I thought it was, but then there was so much discussion of who to lynch going on I got confused. Plus I think this night has lasted for a long time at this point.

[John E. Kelley]

Just a heads-up to everyone, I'm going out of town in about an hour and won't be back till late Thursday night / early Friday morning. I don't know if I'll have Internet access or night but I'll try to check in if I can. If not, see you all then.

[John E. Kelley]

or not***

[SBoydW]

Kae, I do tend to believe your and Red's claim thus far from observation and because I think it would be awfully hard to manage a fib over a role this intricate. But if BG confirms Red as town at this point it could be him just realizing that if he keeps trying to direct the heat your way, it's gonna come back to bite him in the ass. *shrugs*

 

 

Not if they don't reveal anything.

[Nynaeve]

They revealed night 1. Did not reveal night 2 for reasons that make sense to me. I guess we'll see what happens after night 3.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Amadine]

Day will break in around 2 hours....

[ed2funy]

6 minutes has passed...

*goes to text or IM her*

[Nolder]

dang Ed

got a lot riding on tonights actions?

[Amadine]

The evening was chill, Faile woke shivering just beforedawn, and she rose and pulled a woollen robe about her. The events of the lastfew days bothered her more than she allowed anyone to see. Walking through thestill darkened camp she found herself wandering through the Aiel section ofcamp. There, in front of her, on the path lay of a woman.

 

Faile knelt and gently pushed the shoulder of the woman, thebody flopped back towards her. It was Chiad, she too, had woken from the dream.

 

Loki - Chiad - Vanilla Lightsworn (silent role: back upfinder) was dead.

 

 

It is now Day Four - with 18 players you need 10 to lynch.

 

 

[ed2funy]

Damn straight, Noldy. I'm lost in the sauce, here!

[Niniel]

I will go ahead and vote BG. Has anyone got any new information?

[Nolder]

ehhh kind of fishing there Tina

not that I really mind since it's so blatant

 

but yeah I'll echo that sentiment and wait for BG and Red/Sakaea to check in

[SBoydW]

Red

 

Seeing as I can't vote both red and Kae, I voted for one of them. I've stated my disbelief of their claim, and if wanted will re-hash it, but until then I'll leave this post short and to the point.