[Advanced] Lily's Mythical Beings Mafia

[Leelou]

Unvote. I want to reread a couple points before I vote either Hybrid or Des.

[Blackhoof]

Indeed.

 

unvote

 

vote hybrid

 

And ishy, it is not OUR fault YOU acted scummy. It is a shame you had to reveal but with the doc still safely hidden, you should be safe from all harm while you deliver us findings, the mafia unable to do jack against you.

 

I believe it is called a 'follow the cop' tactic.

[John E. Kelley]

But I didn't act scummy. I pointed out that Des acted scummy, posted my reasons and fail to see how that's scummy. I guess I should just watch the thread, not post anything and hope to skate through? No thanks.

[Amadine]

UNVOTE

It's okay Ishy, the Healer should be able to keep you covered, but also should not reveal.

 

It appears Des or Hybrid are now the current alternatives - let's see what shakes loose there.

 

VOTE DES

[Karasayl]

Hmm, going to think of the recent turn of events further. Will post when I get to a PC.

[hazelkrs1]

You def acted scummy Ishy. If that was just you slippin, then we'll find out as we try to read your cop viewings, but don't think because you've claimed finder you're completely off the hook. If you're lying, I hope the real finder doesn't come out and claim to prove you wrong, even if we did end up baggin scum it could still backfire on us. Either way, even if we did just out the finder, we still got what we were looking for. (And in the future if you are finder mebbe try doing something diff than the "shoot from the hip" strategy. Drawing a lot of attention to yourself cause you're trying to "stir the pot" prob aint the best plan if you want your role to stay hidden)

 

Unvote, Vote Hybrid.

 

At least now we get to focus on this guy's scumminess. Here's what I want to know Hybrid, you seemed almost nonchalant in your vote swaps, any reason for that? I know I've switched votes but I've done it for the benefit of the town each time. Yours seemed more of the scrambling to get anyone lynched variety. Am I missin the mark here?

[keyholder21]

unvote

 

Ishy, if the doc is worth he/his salt, they should be protecting you from here on out. At least until we get a better handle on if you actually are the cop or not. The thought to hammer yourself is just mean and not very sportsman like. Glad you didn't.

 

 

 

 

Vote Hybrid

[Verbal32]

Okay, caught up. (Univerity stuff) And I'll say it up front, I'm holding off my vote for the moment because people are 'wagoning left and right, which contrary to popular belief, isn't a bad thing so long as they don't bandwagin someone to death before they go through their options properly.

 

Joke vote: Sorry, this rule comes from where? I hope you recognize that it comes from your own personal beliefs and not reality. You just accused anyone who hasn't voted Red of wanting their Voted players dead. The ONLY part I can agree with on principle is the part about it not lasting all day. Joke votes are rarely as jokish as people make them out to be, even if they're far down the list of prefered lynch material.

 

Not a rule, common sense. Which isn't necessarily as common as one would expect. I also did not make any such accusation, you're trying to put your own words in my mouth here.

 

serious vote: Lol. Give the logical reasoning behind this in terms that exist in my world please. Not based on some assertation that her vote has lasted more than a day. It still seems to be doing its work, why change it yet?

 

Whats not to get? The vote wasn't made on a basis of humour, but to actually progress the game. Therefore: Serious.

 

Pressure: Sorry, I'm seeing pressure in the game. I'm giving most of it, shame no one will stand up to it. It's like you're hiding something. Besides, in a normal ideal lynch, you pressure people (multiple for the most info, multiple lynch trains even), then lynch someone. In a no lynch, you pressure peoplemultiple for the most info, multiple lynch trains even), then no lynch. Fail argument bro. There's only ever as much pressure as you make of it--right now, you aren't making much at all.

 

What a stupid argument. A no-lynch doesn't apply pressure to anyone except those who propose it, in this case Red. In fact, no competing trains have popped up because a large number of people are voting Red due to her no lynch vote. Your hypothetical scenario (not what is playing out right now btw) of pressuring multiple people then voting for a no lynch might be viable if enough confirmed information came to light. Except that the only way to confirm the information we have is to lynch somebody. Got yourself into a catch 22 there bub.

 

Sorry, but there is NOTHING to get in your joke vote argument. Your agument was based off of how long a vote lasted, which is silly. You're right about RED'S vote being "serious" in that it was meant to progress the game, but it wasn't what you defined as "serious" previously (ie how long the vote lasted) and it wasn't what your argument for voting Red was based off of (ie he actually wanted a no lynch). You've done a bit of retracting there haven't you? Previous route didn't work out?

 

The no lynch vote has applied pressure on lots of people, because it got them involved, and I at least took advantage of it. As did Red. (to whatever end) And my hypothetical cenario requires people to actually do it, that's its only failing. You would actually have to vote for someone besides RED to do that *gasp* lol. (Which I believe you have now, but only after the Red lynch lost most of its likelyhood) It requires other players to think and do--most wont even try the former, let alone the latter. I've had games aved by a day one no lynch, but then I had people who could do more than read Mod Coroner reports on my side. Might be a catch 22 for you in that scenario though, I wouldn't know, but it's not so for everyone.

 

Lanth, I'm going to assume you've been mafia starved for some time, and are just trying to ween as much amusement out of this game as possible right now, cause that is the only explanation I can say that doesn't violate the 14th rule.

 

Something else to bring up, while we're on the subject of anti-town moves: if you're right in that you've played with Red enough to know she was being deliberate in trying to draw attention on herself, you drawing attention to that fact could potentially hurt town. If it's her intention to draw suspicion on herself in some elaborate pro-town scheme, you prob shouldve left it as a WIFOM for anyone who was thinking the same thing as you.

 

Either way let's please drop the whole protown/antitown thing.

 

Not starved, this is my play. And drawing people into mafia philosophy causes them to trip themselves up--because they HAVE to argue from a town position, or they give themselves away. And when they say something in direct counter to what they've said before arguing with me (or anyone else), they can be called out on it. Although for the record, you're still OVER simplifying the anti-town bit. That's what trips up a lot of people in this game. It's ALL about the grey area and uncertainty. Both sides have to play off of it, and understand that the game is FAR from one thing or another. You (general "you") can call it one thing, but when you do, the other teams will make it something else. Just like Verb said about not doing a scum tell once someone mentions it--as soon as you define the game publicly, the game quickly gets out of your control. It happens accidentally too, and town acts can break the town even while killing mafia. Again, I kept bringing it up because those who like to define mafia games in an overly simple manner tend to be the mafia because it stifles the town's mobility if people listen. (just like people who muddy the water are likely mafia because they spread confusion--yes I realise that I just described myself. Like I said, when you can't win no matter what you do, people are playing correctly.)

 

Hopefully that comes over as an explanation, rather than a continued argument. Although I'll be happy to continuely argue the point if I keep seeing it happening from anyone.

 

As for drawing attention to Red's play and potential motives--that's me covering my arse AND using her play to my advantage. By stereotyping her play into my scheme I can use it in my way, rather than letting her use it trictly in hers. I'll generally ruin everyone's play by exposing it if I feel like it. Especially if I don't know if they are town or not. In fact, if Key hadn't poken up for Red and said that she has used this trick before I'd think that she wa trying to get on my good side. (Not that I've dismissed the idea )

 

Nothing so mundane.

 

I actually picked your names out of a hat, which we all know is a totally foolproof scumhunting method. There's about a 5% chance I'm right, or something like that, but since we all know that I'm always right, you can ignore the 95% chance that I'm wrong.

 

lol <---Literally. That doesn't happen very often. I'll put that in a mafia quotes thread (do we still have that here?) as soon a this game is over.

 

As for who I'm going to vote for, there's obviously no great candidates on first day, but I'll go ahead and Vote Lanth.

 

He seems to be trying as hard as he can to generate confusion and put a lot of question marks in our heads, which can be perfect for scum.

 

All perfectly true. Although rather than confusion I'd prefer something a bit more useful. Although confusion is good. Caues you to question, argue, and generally be active, even if it's against me. I don't mind really. The more you say the more there is to find one way or another, and more chances to see it.

 

While i don't agree with a no lynch on day one, i see what Red did there.

 

Let's go for pressure on the next candidate.

 

VOTE BARM

 

Why Barm? Because he already have two votes or you have another reason?

 

I assume because I had 2 votes (both of them professed to be "joke votes").

 

Don't start questioning the joke votes. I'll go and get that quote from you stating that Joke votes are just joke votes and should never be used for a lynch... but that would lead us back into the fiasco that was your reasoning for Voting Red. I'd have been happier with the reasoning "I just wanted to put pressure on her and test her out" than the given reasoning--"she is serious because her vote lasted--no wait--she is serious becaue she wants a no lynch--no wait, she didn't want that, she was serious because he voted to get the game moving OMGosh LYNCH, LYNCH"

 

 

Vote Des.

 

An early attempt to start a Barm bandwagon by making the third vote on page 1 would be bad enough, but then your late vote on Red made it a little too obvious. It was plain that there was going to be plenty of us making fos's in her direction, and it was so easy as to be lazy to jump on a Red wagon. And her whole "No Lynch" vote is nowhere near scummy as far as I can tell, just something to kickstart the game and get some reads on our reactions, to which I say, Mission Accomplished Red.

 

I quite agree with the Despothera vote, actually. When I was counting votes a while back he was a bandwagon vote both on me and on Red.

 

Questioning the joke votes.... *facepalm* You know, I'd be FINE with the logic here if you weren't contradicting your own earlier statements--not that you haven't done that 5 times already. Just saying.

 

And jumping on wagons that others have built is scummy. And besides, you say starting wagons isn't a scum tell but you didn't start it, you just jumped right on it. And in a place that is usually reserved for someone trying to hide themselves. In both cases.

 

Italics: What? So if a player makes a great case and votes somebody, nobody else can vote along as well? Per your explanation, they would then be scummy. I hope you see that makes zero sense.

 

Bold: Don't be narrow-minded. Scum will use this type of thought process against you. If I know you'll think #4 on a train is scummy, I'll avoid that spot the whole game (if I was scum).

 

 

All in all, Des is making concentrated posts, while Ishy is shooting from the hip. Miscounting, trying multiple angles, and then the points I mentioned above.

 

Unvote

Vote: Ishy

 

I don't know about "great case" (although I think that was meant generaly, not specifically... so nvm ) But I like the logic here. Even if the person DIDN'T have a great logical reason for bandwagoning, the day one lynch trains (and later ones, although I'd hope they expressed more opinion later and aren't JUST bandwagoning) are about information. If I person is voting just to apply pressure on DAY ONE (when there is next to NO information anyways) they aren't going to have a great reason. Furthermore, if they are doing it at an appropriate time (ie, it wont get the person killed prematurely) then there is little reason to cry wolf right away, I can think of a few reasons, but not many. (although you hit on the main one in your mot recent post, style of info hunting--like using a bulldozer to mow grass by digging it all up at once *snickers* I know aomeone else who does that. )

 

Oh, and hello Eobi. *waves* That's Rae for people who are more normal than I am. .....

 

tl;dr

 

 

 

 

Interesting, Ishy. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt...for now. UNVOTE

 

I'll check to see what's happened over night first thing in the morning.

 

This unvote stinks.

 

If Ishamael flips scum, I'd be looking at you next.

Yep, hybrid is DEFINITELY next for me.

 

Ishy, half reveals are scummy. If u have a good role, claim it and we will see if anyone has something to say aboutut it.

 

So, Hybrid is next to be lynched, but then you completely agree with him in the next sentence? Ok.....

 

 

 

Actually I'm tempted to just hammer myself.....

 

I'm the finder, but since you forced me to reveal, even if I do survive the day phase, scum will just NK me tonight, so kudos to all of you for forcing my hand.

 

Correction: YOU forced OUR hand. ;-)

 

 

 

But I didn't act scummy. I pointed out that Des acted scummy, posted my reasons and fail to see how that's scummy. I guess I should just watch the thread, not post anything and hope to skate through? No thanks.

 

You did. Of course you don't think so -- but L-1 other people disagreed with you. Not all of them can be scum, ya know. You were firing from the hip and Des was being more conservative in his attack. It made you look worse. Could it have been 2 misguided townies? Possibly.

 

I'm also seriously considering that this is a fake claim. But...

 

Unvote

[Verbal32]

Hoof, I should clarify that: Hybrid has an issue with somebody unvoting for a half reveal, and then you said you didn't like half reveals -- I'm interpreting that to be the same thing.

[hazelkrs1]

Incidentally, if Ishy is scum after all, by having a doctor target him it opens the door for a potential scum watcher to figure out who the doc is. Even if they don't kill the doc after that, they could RB them while they kill off other townies.

 

Just throwin that out there.

[Verbal32]

Incidentally, if Ishy is scum after all, by having a doctor target him it opens the door for a potential scum watcher to figure out who the doc is. Even if they don't kill the doc after that, they could RB them while they kill off other townies.

 

Just throwin that out there.

 

Breadcrumbing your future role claim, Des? ;-)

[hazelkrs1]

hehe just bein cautious verby

[Sakaea]

Can we get a vote count, please?

 

I unvoted because I've seen these half-assed reveals get lynched, and turn out to be either cop or doc too many times in recent games.

[keyholder21]

Incidentally, if Ishy is scum after all, by having a doctor target him it opens the door for a potential scum watcher to figure out who the doc is. Even if they don't kill the doc after that, they could RB them while they kill off other townies.

 

Just throwin that out there.

 

 

Who knows what roles there are in this game other than Lily? We don't know that the mafia has a RB or a watcher and right now protecting the (potential) finder is the best course of action.

[Hybrid]

Incidentally, if Ishy is scum after all, by having a doctor target him it opens the door for a potential scum watcher to figure out who the doc is. Even if they don't kill the doc after that, they could RB them while they kill off other townies.

 

Just throwin that out there.

 

This post stinks.

 

1) The doc needs to target Ishamael.

 

2) Ishamael doesn't need to be scum for a scum watcher to figure out who the doc is.

[Hybrid]

I unvoted because I've seen these half-assed reveals get lynched, and turn out to be either cop or doc too many times in recent games.

 

Half reveals are bad, bad, and bad. They allow mafia to avoid lynches without the possibility of getting caught in a lie and they get power roles killed.

[Hybrid]

Unvote, vote Des

[Hybrid]

Actually I'm tempted to just hammer myself.....

 

I'm the finder, but since you forced me to reveal, even if I do survive the day phase, scum will just NK me tonight, so kudos to all of you for forcing my hand.

 

I tremendously dislike this post.

 

The amount of pique is over the top . . . tempted to believe that it's a fake claim, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Nolder]

Actually I'm tempted to just hammer myself.....

 

I'm the finder, but since you forced me to reveal, even if I do survive the day phase, scum will just NK me tonight, so kudos to all of you for forcing my hand.

 

I tremendously dislike this post.

 

The amount of pique is over the top . . . tempted to believe that it's a fake claim, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I thought the same thing myself

however I've seen enough actual townies commit suicide when they get discouraged to know that it happens

[LilyElizabeth]

Vote count:

 

Hybrid (5) – Red, Vam, Ed, Des, Key

Des (6) – Ishy, Barm, Min, Lanth, Ama, Hy

Ishy (2) – Hoof, Karas

Barm (1) – Nolder

Karas (1) – Kat

 

 

Not voting – Raena, Sakaea, Tina, Leelou, Verb

 

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline Saturday 8 PM MST.

[Karasayl]

With reconsideration, im going to keep my vote. Ishy threatening to hammer himself then claim finder is too fishy to.me.

[Minuet]

Ishy I can feel your frustration. *Glares at Hoofie* I always look scummiest when I am the healer or finder. Go figure! So, as far as I am concerned you are not a lynch candidate for day one. Then again I didn't think you were scum to begin with. I hate half reveals, however I have had to use them in the past. Usually when scum already claimed my role or I was backed up against the wall. Just think the mafia will probably not target you now. I mean they have no clue if the healer will choose you are themselves. So, they will go after another target to try to get a nk from it. So, you are gravy to be honest. Don't think we will let you off however without confirming someone for us. When day breaks we will expect a report from you.

 

Btw, why are you "convinced" you made the right choice? Pretty confident there (then again I heard you recently say in another game you were 99% sure someone was mafia and they ended up being scum, so mebbe you're just that talented)

 

 

Des that was the first time I was totally right. However, it was Lily and she was shocked I had her pegged so quickly. That is why I was nk in that game. I had her pegged from her first post. I swear it was a fluke. *giggles* A wonderful fluke too.

 

So, we have about 32 hours left till the deadline. I think it is between Hybrid and Des. Any thoughts from our non-voters?

 

 

 

[Verbal32]

Don't think we will let you off however without confirming someone for us. When day breaks we will expect a report from you.

 

 

 

And what if he views a townie tonight? Assuming he is the Cop, are you expecting him to reveal town as he finds them?

[Sakaea]

I'm getting a scummier vibe from Hybrid than I am from Des. I can't make much of a case right now, so I'm not going to vote yet. We still have plenty of time, tho.

[Barmacral]

With reconsideration, im going to keep my vote. Ishy threatening to hammer himself then claim finder is too fishy to.me.

 

A good point, also to be noted that it is against the rules to vote for yourself in this game.