Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Vambram]

I am the Dragon Reborn.

I thought Aemon was the Dragon Reborn.....?

 

The Pattern only has room for just one Dragon Reborn, and I am he.

[bgrishinko]

I am the Dragon Reborn.

 

"What the Turd?" thought Bgrishinko.

[Kwom Masbag]

Yet another Dragon claimant...

 

Nothing to do but see what Red has to say about this.

[Quibby]

The plot sickens...

[Myndrunner]

Is this another Dragon Reborn who is not Rand?

[aemonkristen]

*proudly shows his VOTE MYND

[aemonkristen]

Grr wrong button

 

*proudly shows his VOTE MYND tunic*

 

I am going to withhold judgment until Red can tell us something, but the way he said that the pattern can only support one Dragon would mean that my finder ability would be gone if I were 1) a false dragon combined with 2) Vam being the Dragon and 3) all false dragons are relegated to vanilla status. Since I still believe myself to be the Dragon and I still have my finder ability, I find your claim difficult to believe.

[Vambram]

Grr wrong button

 

*proudly shows his VOTE MYND tunic*

 

I am going to withhold judgment until Red can tell us something, but the way he said that the pattern can only support one Dragon would mean that my finder ability would be gone if I were 1) a false dragon combined with 2) Vam being the Dragon and 3) all false dragons are relegated to vanilla status. Since I still believe myself to be the Dragon and I still have my finder ability, I find your claim difficult to believe.

 

It is well known that the false dragons are NOT men of insignificant power. Therefore, the fact that you have the finder ability does not mean that you are the Dragon Reborn.

[Adella]

In my mind, us players lynched a couple of characters whom we would rather not have been lynched. Clearly, we did this in our zeal to have a controlled lynching. I propose that everyone be much more careful about lynchings from here on out.

This struck me... Almost as a mafia member trying to make the townies take a step back and doubt themselves and make it easier to get a no-lynch day. I don't like it at all.

 

We've lost both faile and perrin :/

 

But yes, I agree that we should think "out of the box" and not only focus on those three. Ofc we should pay attention to them, and if someone can confirm that one of them did something scummy at night, then we should go after him, right?

Curt: if you for some reason know who not to lynch, please share with us.

 

And my thoughts about killing Song: I think she saw at least one scum the first night, because otherwise mafia wouldn't be "afraid" and kill her. If all who she saw were innocent, then they wouldn't bother with killing her, instead letting her continue and conufse us more (it is confusing when we get four names that acted a tad bit scummy during night, and they are towns!), but as if one or more of them were mafias, they would feel threatened as Song could see them the second time and then it would be pretty easy to draw some conclusions.

Or then mafia killed Song just so they'd be sure they are going to kill a special.

Or then mafia killed Song just so someone would think like I did and be more confused and suspect those remaining three people (who could be town).

Or the mafia killed her to implicate those people left on the list and get the town to lynch more roles with power. Or just to get her power off the board like you and several others have said. We never know why the mafia kills the people that they do, it sucks that she is gone, but we will just talk ourselves in circles trying to get inside their heads. Nice WIFOM post

 

Still not completely buying the compulsion claim. I say we test this theory on Verbal. If he flips innocent, then that proves Aemon's innocence as well (who seems to be the more valuable of the two) and confirms that there is indeed a compulsion power in this game. If Verbal flips scum, we know who to lynch next and it dispels this compulsion gambit once and for all.

 

I actually think that would be pretty good idea. After all, I think that compulsion sounds a bit fishy, a way to make one look innocent though one would be mafia. Or then again, it could be true, but it's not fun at all ^^

You went along with that WAY too easy, especially with everyone else balking at the idea right away. And you even left yourself a small escape from if/when Verb would flip town. Not very smooth IMO.

 

I am the Dragon Reborn.

Well... Uhm... Hmm.

 

Grr wrong button

 

*proudly shows his VOTE MYND tunic*

 

I am going to withhold judgment until Red can tell us something, but the way he said that the pattern can only support one Dragon would mean that my finder ability would be gone if I were 1) a false dragon combined with 2) Vam being the Dragon and 3) all false dragons are relegated to vanilla status. Since I still believe myself to be the Dragon and I still have my finder ability, I find your claim difficult to believe.

 

It is well known that the false dragons are NOT men of insignificant power. Therefore, the fact that you have the finder ability does not mean that you are the Dragon Reborn.

I agree with Aemon on with holding my vote waiting for Red, and it seems like Aemon's claim should be denounced by the Pattern somehow now... But I also see it as very possible that any falsies could keep their power, as Logain continued to be a very powerful and prominent character (once he got his channeling back). However, we need to keep in mind that Taim is probably out there. ONE of the falsies is most likely a Darkfriend.

[Vambram]

In my mind, us players lynched a couple of characters whom we would rather not have been lynched. Clearly, we did this in our zeal to have a controlled lynching. I propose that everyone be much more careful about lynchings from here on out.

This struck me... Almost as a mafia member trying to make the townies take a step back and doubt themselves and make it easier to get a no-lynch day. I don't like it at all.

 

 

 

I was asked about that post earlier, and I responded to a similar question with post #1168

 

 

I agree with Aemon on with holding my vote waiting for Red, and it seems like Aemon's claim should be denounced by the Pattern somehow now... But I also see it as very possible that any falsies could keep their power, as Logain continued to be a very powerful and prominent character (once he got his channeling back). However, we need to keep in mind that Taim is probably out there. ONE of the falsies is most likely a Darkfriend.

 

I am glad that both of you are with holding your votes. However, answer this question, please. In the books, what happened first: men whom are false dragons that claimed to be the Dragon Reborn?..... or Rand al`Thor actually fulfilling prophecy and thus proving that he himself is the one and only Dragon Reborn?

[Moon Sedai]

I have lost track of all the Reborn Dragons...

 

Who all is claiming it now, and has anyone renounced their claims?

 

I do get the feeling that at least one of them is a Taim/Uber mafia.

 

but they can't all be mafia scum.

 

I don't want to vote for anyone else until I am sure that we have a mafia person.

[Adella]

 

I am glad that both of you are with holding your votes. However, answer this question, please. In the books, what happened first: men whom are false dragons that claimed to be the Dragon Reborn?..... or Rand al`Thor actually fulfilling prophecy and thus proving that he himself is the one and only Dragon Reborn?

Okay, I will answer, the false Dragons were first, and disposed of BEFORE Rand claimed. And as we have only had one person seriously claim DR before you just did, that fills the second falsie spot, unless Red has something good to say otherwise. If she doesn't I'm good on a Vambram lynch, as I have reason to trust BG and thus I trust Aemon.

[Alanna]

...I'm not even going to comment on the DR issue for now...

 

Since a few people have mentioned it now, I thought I would address my timing in terms of voting the last couple of days. These reasons in no way prove I'm not scum, but I thought I should explain (even tho I already did everytime I voted lol).

 

When I first voted for Red on Day 1, it was about 24 hours til deadline, and I did not think I would be able to get online again before the deadline. At that time, I was most suspicious of Red and I felt that we would get the best info from her lynch. I don't remember if she or David had more votes, but I'm pretty sure David didn't have so many at this point that it was unhelpful to be voting for Red.

 

As it turned out, I was able to get on again before the deadline, though only shortly before the deadline. At this point, the votes on David had really piled up, so in the interests of a lynch, it only made sense to vote him (besides, he was acting way scummy at this point trying to get out of the lynch).

 

So that's Day 1. Day 2, unfortunately, the same thing happened to me; I had to vote about 24 hours before the deadline because I was going to be traveling the next day and thought I might not be able to get online. And as it turned out, I really wasn't able to get online again.

 

As I said, this explanation doesn't make me not scum in any way, but since the only reason I saw for people suspecting me was the timing, I thought I should explain. You're not in my RL so you don't know if I'm telling the truth, but I really don't think people should like about RL situations in mafia games to hide scumminess, it's just not right.

[Alanna]

Ack. That should be 'should *lie about RL situations...'

[Adella]

Oh, and sorry for the double post, but I'm still of the opinion that the falsies were told they had to reveal before day 4 as that is when the real DR is going to be revealed or allowed to reveal. I'm thinking right now that Vambram was trying to put off revealing because so many people think that Aemon is Logain and he didn't want people to know he was Taim/scum. This is a hunch, but I think it has merit from what we know so far.

[Vambram]

I am glad that both of you are with holding your votes. However, answer this question, please. In the books, what happened first: men whom are false dragons that claimed to be the Dragon Reborn?..... or Rand al`Thor actually fulfilling prophecy and thus proving that he himself is the one and only Dragon Reborn?

Okay, I will answer, the false Dragons were first, and disposed of BEFORE Rand claimed. And as we have only had one person seriously claim DR before you just did, that fills the second falsie spot, unless Red has something good to say otherwise. If she doesn't I'm good on a Vambram lynch, as I have reason to trust BG and thus I trust Aemon.

 

Is it possible that when Aemon claimed to be the Dragon Reborn, that he was actually a false dragon? And how do we know

that Red is the one whom gets

to be the only one whom can accurately say whether or not a person is the Dragon Reborn?

[Vambram]

Oh, and sorry for the double post, but I'm still of the opinion that the falsies were told they had to reveal before day 4 as that is when the real DR is going to be revealed or allowed to reveal. I'm thinking right now that Vambram was trying to put off revealing because so many people think that Aemon is Logain and he didn't want people to know he was Taim/scum. This is a hunch, but I think it has merit from what we know so far.

 

 

I know that you are only posting your thoughts and hunches, so I do not mind the speculation. But, I promise you that to the very best of my knowledge, I am NOT Taim/scum.

 

I am the Dragon Reborn.

[bgrishinko]

Bgrishinko awaits the Car'a'carn

[Adella]

Uhm... Vambram... I distinctly said that you would be filling the SECOND falsie spot, implying that I believe Aemon is the FIRST falsie... Do you even read the whole post before responding to people?

[Blackhoof]

Ok, in my last post i was speculating on whetther lynching verb, aemon or mynd was worth it. I was speculating if it was a good risk/return payout. I was not saying we should lynch any of them.

 

 

Possible Lynch Returns

 

Aemon: We would know if he was the real dragon (in which case DAMN) and if he is scum, the guy he cleared (i'll give you a hint: mynd) is likely scum as well.

 

Mynd: If mynd is scum, as has been suspected, Aemon was lying. Sound scummy at all?

 

Verbal: If innocent, proves that he was compelled. If not, then compulsion was probably fake, implicating Aemon, then implicating Mynd. See where i'm going with this?

 

Blackhoof: Only added me because i seem to be under heat, but if you lynch me, you wont get any return, really.

 

Possible Lynch Risks

 

Aemon: We could lose either THE dragon, or Logain, and a finder.

 

Mynd: Seems like a very competent player, and tries hard to find scum (apparently) and it would be bad to lose him if he is town

 

Verbal: Might be town, and could have a good ability/item.

 

Blackhoof: Let us just say that it isn't a good idea to lynch me, as my death will have an adverse affect on the town.

 

 

All that, merely speculation, ok? Is it worth it, i dont know. Verbal seems like a good choice, as him being scum would implicate BOTH mynd and aemon. I am making a few leaps of faith here, but hey, no guts, no glory, right?

[CurtisScafe]

Let's forget about the Dragon reborn and not get side tracked on who we should lynch. I think this is exactly what happened last night.

We should vote who we think are solid candidates not just base don last night but from the beginning that were suspected and have not proven themselves innocent.

[dapianoplay3r]

Black if we lynch you we could get a good return if your scum. You seemed to have missed that point....

But Im not making any sort of vote until Red shows up and gives us her views on this recent DR. Incedently BG said "Car'a'carn" in his post. Do you think there could be anything in the fact that everyone has only claimed the DR and not the Car'a'carn (they should both be allowed cos they are the same role, unless in confusing my books and Rand doesnt gain that title until later in the series)

It just made me think that maybe only the Real DR (Rand) would know to claim Car'a'carn as well because False Dragon's wouldnt have had that title in their PMs but Rand might have

[Amadine]

Once the true Dragon Reborn revealed himself the pattern no longer had room for the false dragons and they were removed from the equation. To me it would make sense that anyone can reveal as the DR until the true DR reveals and then the false DRs should be disabled somehow?

 

 

[dapianoplay3r]

Maybe they can only reveal in sequence or something? Like Aemon was discredited as the real DR so a new one popped up. So i think maybe until this new one is proven false the real one cant step forward. Or something to that effect

[Blackhoof]

Killing me and flipping scum is hardly a good return compared to the possible multi-scum we could get by lynching of those three.