Perrin and Mat's food don't rot

[ROB_88]

i just realised it. we see alot of talk about food spoiling all over the world, whenever the Last Battle is mentioned, the food spoilage is always on the top of the list of signs.

 

except for Perrin and Mat, apart from a few bugs here and there they are generally free from this pest.

is it they're ta'veren nature or something else that causes it. will it have any large effects later on?

[Demiandre]

I remember in TGS Mat mentioning the problems he has to feed his army (when they arrive in Hinderstap). Food is scarce, and even what they find isn't a marvel. Not enough grass to feed the horses, and all. I suppose the effect are stronger around Rand because of his bad modjo since tPoD...

[Arkane101]

I remember in TGS Mat mentioning the problems he has to feed his army (when they arrive in Hinderstap). Food is scarce, and even what they find isn't a marvel. Not enough grass to feed the horses, and all. I suppose the effect are stronger around Rand because of his bad modjo since tPoD...

I think it's because of Rand's bad mojo, the Seanchan never seem to have quite the problems he had either, and the whitetower, though quite bad, doesn't have an entire cities grain go bad in mere minutes/hours.

[dovien]

Well the difference for them, I believe, is that they're leaders. They automatically get the best, most carefully prepared portions wherever they happen to be.

[yoniy0]

Well the difference for them, I believe, is that they're leaders. They automatically get the best, most carefully prepared portions wherever they happen to be.

I don't think so. Perrin wasn't even aware that food has been spoiling at an insane rate lately. Egwene and Elayne are both painfully aware, and so is Cadsuane.

[Cyf]

Indeed. He actually has food to give to mercenaries coming in. Others don't. It's a ta'veren effect, I think.

[mossman87]

Indeed. He actually has food to give to mercenaries coming in. Others don't. It's a ta'veren effect, I think.

 

I think it's more of an Order thing, with the ta'veren of course having a stronger effect on the Pattern around them.

[Evoke]

Or it's an effect of their connection to Rand and the parts they will all be playing in the Last Battle. While this is connected to them being ta'veren, they're not quite the same.

[Owayn The Traveller]

Okay Caemlyn is also free of clouds isn't it? Is this because of the bond between Rand and Elayne? Sorry kinda off topic but it is conected to the ta'vereness effect.

[Bob T Dwarf]

i just realised it. we see alot of talk about food spoiling all over the world, whenever the Last Battle is mentioned, the food spoilage is always on the top of the list of signs.

 

except for Perrin and Mat, apart from a few bugs here and there they are generally free from this pest.

is it they're ta'veren nature or something else that causes it. will it have any large effects later on?

 

I take it as the Wheel's way of forcing people to join them. Join so you can eat and maybe die or don't join, starve and surely die.

[Tom Sawyer]

Okay Caemlyn is also free of clouds isn't it? Is this because of the bond between Rand and Elayne? Sorry kinda off topic but it is conected to the ta'vereness effect.

 

I think it is. Min was saying that there was a circle of clear sky over Tear as well and that was before Rand showed up, so I assume it was because of her. I can't remember if Avienda's bits mentioned anything about it and we haven't seen Alanna in this book, so we can't say there.

 

If it is the case, then Rand could just bond a whole bunch of people and send them around the continent to help the crops.

[Evoke]

Okay Caemlyn is also free of clouds isn't it? Is this because of the bond between Rand and Elayne? Sorry kinda off topic but it is conected to the ta'vereness effect.

 

Afaik Min and Avihenda don't have cloudless skies. I think it has to do with the fact that she is carrying his children rather than that they are bonded or that he is ta'veren.

[rambling]

Okay Caemlyn is also free of clouds isn't it? Is this because of the bond between Rand and Elayne? Sorry kinda off topic but it is conected to the ta'vereness effect.

 

I'm hoping that Rand paid a visit (whilst shutting off the bond to Elayne) and that it was part of the BT subplot which we will learn about in AMOL. There is also the good soup at the WT, supposedly made from ingredients shipped in from Caemlyn - I'm still trying to work out the timeline to see whether that can be attributed to a specific visit from Rand.

If it was just the bond between Rand and Elayne then it would have been consistently sunny above the Lion Throne.

[dwn]

Okay Caemlyn is also free of clouds isn't it? Is this because of the bond between Rand and Elayne? Sorry kinda off topic but it is conected to the ta'vereness effect.

 

Afaik Min and Avihenda don't have cloudless skies. I think it has to do with the fact that she is carrying his children rather than that they are bonded or that he is ta'veren.

 

Min does. There's a ring of clear sky in Tear before Rand returns.

 

-- dwn

[GusE]

Afaik Min and Avihenda don't have cloudless skies. I think it has to do with the fact that she is carrying his children rather than that they are bonded or that he is ta'veren.

Sky is cloudless in Tear before Rand arrives:

"Min sat on a window ledge in the Stone of Tear, enjoying the warmth [...] Sunlight shone upon the city."

As for Avi I'm not sure about her timeline but I don't think we have seen from her after rand got upgraded to 2.0.

[Zefram]

Okay Caemlyn is also free of clouds isn't it? Is this because of the bond between Rand and Elayne? Sorry kinda off topic but it is conected to the ta'vereness effect.

 

I'm hoping that Rand paid a visit (whilst shutting off the bond to Elayne) and that it was part of the BT subplot which we will learn about in AMOL. There is also the good soup at the WT, supposedly made from ingredients shipped in from Caemlyn - I'm still trying to work out the timeline to see whether that can be attributed to a specific visit from Rand.

If it was just the bond between Rand and Elayne then it would have been consistently sunny above the Lion Throne.

 

That might the effect of Mat sitting within a mile of Caemlyn for nearly a month! Also, there is a line where Egwene comments on unspoiled food they just got at Tar Valon (town and Tower) and mentioned it was just imported from Caemlyn

[Maji]

Okay Caemlyn is also free of clouds isn't it? Is this because of the bond between Rand and Elayne? Sorry kinda off topic but it is conected to the ta'vereness effect.

 

I'm hoping that Rand paid a visit (whilst shutting off the bond to Elayne) and that it was part of the BT subplot which we will learn about in AMOL. There is also the good soup at the WT, supposedly made from ingredients shipped in from Caemlyn - I'm still trying to work out the timeline to see whether that can be attributed to a specific visit from Rand.

If it was just the bond between Rand and Elayne then it would have been consistently sunny above the Lion Throne.

 

That might the effect of Mat sitting within a mile of Caemlyn for nearly a month! Also, there is a line where Egwene comments on unspoiled food they just got at Tar Valon (town and Tower) and mentioned it was just imported from Caemlyn

 

We never see evidence of Perrin producing cloudless skies. It is unlikely that Mat has this effect if Perrin does not. We have not seen that one is more powerfully ta'vern than the other. We only know that Rand is the strongest and Mat/Perrin are the same (roughly). Nothing sets these two apart so it's safe to assume that if one does not have that effect on the weather, the other does not as well. Rand has that effect and it's probable that through his bonds to these women (Min, Elayne) that the cloudless skies are occurring. We do not have confirmed on Alanna or Aviendha though since Alanna is off doing whatever Verin set her out to do and Aviendha is meeting with Nakomi and the pillars ter'angreal.

[AutomatedTeller]

I think the Rand effect gets shared out through those who are bonded to him. (Matt and Perrin aren't bonded the same way Min, Elayne and Aviendha are, of course)

 

or maybe it's a side effect of loyalty - we haven't had a PoV in Tear, Cairhienin or Illian that would say, i don't think.

[jmniles]

Okay Caemlyn is also free of clouds isn't it? Is this because of the bond between Rand and Elayne? Sorry kinda off topic but it is conected to the ta'vereness effect.

 

I'm hoping that Rand paid a visit (whilst shutting off the bond to Elayne) and that it was part of the BT subplot which we will learn about in AMOL. There is also the good soup at the WT, supposedly made from ingredients shipped in from Caemlyn - I'm still trying to work out the timeline to see whether that can be attributed to a specific visit from Rand.

If it was just the bond between Rand and Elayne then it would have been consistently sunny above the Lion Throne.

 

That might the effect of Mat sitting within a mile of Caemlyn for nearly a month! Also, there is a line where Egwene comments on unspoiled food they just got at Tar Valon (town and Tower) and mentioned it was just imported from Caemlyn

 

We never see evidence of Perrin producing cloudless skies. It is unlikely that Mat has this effect if Perrin does not. We have not seen that one is more powerfully ta'vern than the other. We only know that Rand is the strongest and Mat/Perrin are the same (roughly). Nothing sets these two apart so it's safe to assume that if one does not have that effect on the weather, the other does not as well. Rand has that effect and it's probable that through his bonds to these women (Min, Elayne) that the cloudless skies are occurring. We do not have confirmed on Alanna or Aviendha though since Alanna is off doing whatever Verin set her out to do and Aviendha is meeting with Nakomi and the pillars ter'angreal.

 

At the begging of ToM we see under a cloudy sky. Though it does not mention whether or not the cloud is the same after Rand sees the Light.

[dwn]

Okay Caemlyn is also free of clouds isn't it? Is this because of the bond between Rand and Elayne? Sorry kinda off topic but it is conected to the ta'vereness effect.

 

I'm hoping that Rand paid a visit (whilst shutting off the bond to Elayne) and that it was part of the BT subplot which we will learn about in AMOL. There is also the good soup at the WT, supposedly made from ingredients shipped in from Caemlyn - I'm still trying to work out the timeline to see whether that can be attributed to a specific visit from Rand.

If it was just the bond between Rand and Elayne then it would have been consistently sunny above the Lion Throne.

 

That might the effect of Mat sitting within a mile of Caemlyn for nearly a month! Also, there is a line where Egwene comments on unspoiled food they just got at Tar Valon (town and Tower) and mentioned it was just imported from Caemlyn

 

This was an interesting scene to me. I take it to mean Egwene and the Aes Sedai have figured out that something about Rand is causing the clouds to break. Egwene knows by then that that Elayne has bonded Rand. It worries them because, first, it's proof that the clouds are unnatural, and second, they're rallying support to oppose Rand.

 

As others have pointed out, the Aes Sedai act a bit dense in much of this book. From bits like this I think we should infer that they -are- considering Rand's announcement, working to defend against another Seanchan attack, and thinking on how to deal with the BA and the Shadow.

 

-- dwn

[Owayn The Traveller]

Oh no. From what someone thought in one of these posts - that Eand should just bond everyone - I remembered something from another great series. The whole Richard Rahl prayer in sword of truth.

 

If the bond causes it not everyone needs to bond Rahl, er, Rand, just leaders andrulers.

[dwn]

Oh no. From what someone thought in one of these posts - that Eand should just bond everyone - I remembered something from another great series. The whole Richard Rahl prayer in sword of truth.

 

If the bond causes it not everyone needs to bond Rahl, er, Rand, just leaders andrulers.

 

Please stop invoking that name. It hurts us.

 

But yeah, I too thought of, and snickered at, the idea of all the Aes Sedai bonding Rand.

 

-- dwn

[Silver]

Chapter 45- A Reunion

 

Morning light peeked through the drapes. Elayne sat back, feeling the powerful warmth through the bond with Rand that had appeared there. Light, but that was a wonderful sensation. The moment she'd begun feeling it, the cloud cover around Andor had broken.

[Hopefire]

It seems evident to me that Perrin and Mat are gaining the positive ta'veren effects necessary to keep their armies healthy and the people around them in good condition. Even so, they still suffer from the clouds. That indicates to me that the Dark One's touch is being mitigated as opposed to being pushed back. The way I see what's happening is that there's two effects. Firstly, there's the ta'veren effect. Secondly, there's the Light effect. Mat and Perrin are benefiting from ta'veren effects, while Min and Elayne (and probably Aviendha, possibly Alanna) benefit from the Light effect, the Light shinning through Rand's mind and affecting the world around them.

 

It might be just me, but I think that it's affecting Elayne and Min just like it's affecting Rand, if to a lesser extent. Min seemed somewhat less excitable and used less cursing in her internal monologues than in previous books, while Elayne seemed positively serene throughout most of ToM. It's my favorite portrayal of Elayne to date - I kept thinking that she seemed like she'd become the kind of queen that gleemen and bards sing about.

[Demon_AS]

I was toying with the idea that Rand finally became Super-Rand when he accepted himself. ToM was all about Perrin learning to accept himself and became Super-Perrin at the end, once he forged his hammer. I don't know if Mat will ever grow up, but I think he's almost achieved Super-Mat status.

 

What I'm getting at is that all our heroes are finally powering-up before the final push to finish the story, and I wonder whether accepting themselves and their roles as part of the Creator's will enhances that "Light" effect (or perhaps anti-Dark would be more appropriate). All the three boys have grown up a lot over the books, and their ta'veren effects have only become stronger for it... maybe it's the same for this anti-Dark thing that Rand has going.

 

The more in-tune they are to what the Pattern wants, the more it'll work for them.

 

Just a thought.