Nakomi

[Sharaman]

About the nakomi= Verin theory

Verin's never met Avi onscreen. They have only ever been in approximately the same place, perhaps, for a very short length of time. Verin came out of the TR and arrived in Caemlyn in LoC. Avi was there in Caemlyn in TFoH but then pushed off to Salidar.

So why should Verin want to chat up Avi?

If she does, how does she find out where Avi is?

Given that Verin's on a very tight schedule playing a Bushido endgame why does she spare time to have a metaphysical conversation with Avi?

Where did Verin learn so much about Aiel custom as ot pass for Aiel?

Her PoV in TPoD suggests she was not very conversant with Aiel custom and where has she had the time since?

All tough questions to answer.

Verin doesn't have an apparent motive and she may not have either the means or opportunity.

 

OTOH most of the other theories are either farfetched or RAFO

 

1) Nakomi could be another Aiel WO, Maybe she's a Dreamwalker deliberately entering Avi's dreams to spur her on or using an inverted MoM to chat her up in real space.

2) Nakomi could be a Jenn Aiel - if they somehow still exist.

3) Nakomi could be a figment of Avi's imagination

 

FWIW 1) seems likeliest because there is a motive for the WOs - making sure Avi is in the right mood entering Rhuidean, there is also means and opportunity since they know where she is and they have the ability to reach her.

The scene also does seem to be staged in TAR or dreams because of the time lapses/ things disappearing.

[Kahsm]

Where have we been EVER told that the Creator would be 100% hands off? Kael is one of many people I've seen that believes this, and as I've said in my previous post, I know specifically of the first book thing, plus things RJ has referred to in interviews... was there a specific interview where he said, "The Creator will not be involved in ANYTHING for anyone." or something similar?

 

We are told in this discussion. I'll post the whole thing cause it's pretty interesting. Note the bold.

 

Q: Are there any religions in the world of the Wheel of Time?

RJ: No. No religions, no churches: that will change in the next set of books, not in this, but where religion becomes in some ways preeminent, but . . .

Q [interrupts]: Oh, is that a spoiler?? No no!

RJ: No, that's not for the Wheel of Time at all, and may change somewhat, as these things do. But the reason is this: I've always believed that our religious rituals our attendance at temples, or churches, or whatever is, in part, a reaffirmation of our faith, and a reaffirmation of our belief, a strengthening of our belief in something that we cannot see. And we do these things in order to strengthen our belief in what we cannot see. God, Allah, whatever . . . but, in this world, it is a world that...as if we had...prophets walking around . . . performing miracles. The One Power can be channeled. Occasionally men show up channeling the One Power; the Aes Sedai have been there for 3000 years.

Q: But the Creator does not interfere!

RJ: The Creator does not interfere, but there is clear evidence of the theological doctrine.

Q: Of the unseen.

RJ: Of the unseen.  As far as it is believed, of the existence of the Creator: Here is the One Power. Here is evidence of everything we believe. There is therefore no need for anyone to undergo rituals to reaffirm or strengthen their belief because it is manifest every day. If we really had prophets walking among us, performing miracles and healing people and raising the dead—and this was a matter of every day that somebody might walk down the street and say 'In the name of' and lay their hand on you. 'In the name of God, be healed,' and your wounds are healed; or, 'In the name of God, rise up and walk,' and your dead brother, just died of cholera or whatever rises up and walks—I believe that organized religion would vanish within a generation, or at least become a fringe within a generation, because there would no longer be a need for most people to reaffirm their belief in God, or to strengthen their belief in God, or Allah, or whatever else their religious belief is. It would be manifest in every day life.

Q: And how about the Whitecloaks? I mean they look like some sort of religious sect.

RJ: Which?

Q (two girls in unison): The Whitecloaks!

RJ: The Whitecloaks? Well, they're meant to look as a religious sect. They began as, an ascetic organization dedicated to preaching against Darkfriends, trying to convince people by example that they should not become Darkfriends. And during the War of the Hundred Years they became a military organization. They are patterned on the Teutonic Knights, a touch of the German SS, and . . .

Q [interrupts]: And the Spanish Inquisition?

RJ: A touch of the Spanish Inquisition. (laughter) They are in short anyone who believes that they know the Truth: the Truth with a capital 'T'. They know the Truth so well, and it's so clear to them that if you don't believe that truth, then it becomes obvious that you are evil.

 

Ah, and here's the one I remember:

Crossroads of Twilight book tour 18 January 2003, Harvard Coop - Tallis reporting

 

Rand has no direct connection with the Creator. The Creator is completely removed from the world; aside from ... creating ... the

Pattern, he does nothing else whatsoever to influence anything.

[Dreggs Morlock]

And yet he creates stairs for Rand in the first book? Look, I don't think we are disagreeing on principle here, just the degree of semantics and their result.

 

If RJ doesn't feel getting Rand to where he needs to be as interfering, then talking to a very important human doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. With RJ, you have to take what he says, then find examples of what he talked about to find the context he spoke in. When he did that interview, his main goal was to explain why there were no places of worship... that there was no organized religion. FROM that we can also garner information you yourself accepts, but I'm only saying that in the context of the books, the Creator has indeed gotten involved, if only to make sure his champion was in the right place at the right time.

 

If, during the Last Battle, the Creator once again creates a pathway for Rand to follow to get where he needs to be, will that violate everything that you dug up? For me, it would not, just as talking to Avi would not.

 

But with all humility, I realize I probably got a lot of this wrong... But who cares! That's the pleasure I derive from this series; most books unravel under a lot of scrutiny, but this does NOT!! =)

[Kahsm]

And yet he creates stairs for Rand in the first book? Look, I don't think we are disagreeing on principle here, just the degree of semantics and their result.

 

If RJ doesn't feel getting Rand to where he needs to be as interfering, then talking to a very important human doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. With RJ, you have to take what he says, then find examples of what he talked about to find the context he spoke in. When he did that interview, his main goal was to explain why there were no places of worship... that there was no organized religion. FROM that we can also garner information you yourself accepts, but I'm only saying that in the context of the books, the Creator has indeed gotten involved, if only to make sure his champion was in the right place at the right time.

 

If, during the Last Battle, the Creator once again creates a pathway for Rand to follow to get where he needs to be, will that violate everything that you dug up? For me, it would not, just as talking to Avi would not.

 

But with all humility, I realize I probably got a lot of this wrong... But who cares! That's the pleasure I derive from this series; most books unravel under a lot of scrutiny, but this does NOT!! =)

 

I'm not saying the wheel doesn't provide for Rand. The wheel weaves as it wills. It made him Ta'veren after all. But that's not The Creator. The difference is that the wheel is not sentient, it has some built in "safe guards" like heroes and ta'veren (and likely others we don't know about), but those are all based on a set of rules. I don't personally see how Nakomi would fit that mold.

 

Also, as for the stairs in book one, I personally believe The Eye was in TAR or a TAR like place, and Ishy made the stairs for Rand to reach him just as you can change anything in T'A'R. Actually the stairs are one of the reasons I suggest that. Also Aginor was "flying" when Moir opened the ground below him by denying her effects (as you can do in T'A'R). Also the fact you need to "need" it, which is a TAR thing. If you want to discuss that, there's a thread specifically on the stairs/EotW here. I'd prefer not to be responsible for derailing ANOTHER thread.

[BKVMC]

the more i think about it the more i think nakomi was an appearance by the creator she doesnt give answers to avie she asks avi questions for her to answer for herself so nothing nakomi did was hands on or interferring in a physical way was just getting avi to think outside the box.

[Dreggs Morlock]

I'll try a different tack, see if my point makes more sense to you... I'm not looking to convert you, I just think it should not be ruled out immediately due to some interviews with RJ on a similar subject.

 

When I read this the first time, it had the sound and feeling of a lot of other books I have read... where the God figure has took on a mortal guise, not to test the main character, but to get the main character to test themselves. The Sword and the Satchel by Elizabeth Boyer (A GREAT easy reading fantasy author) has just such a meeting, with the main character meeting a "swineherd". Heck, Star wars has a demi-God in Yoda (JUST KIDDING) doing it to Luke Skywalker!!

 

But then I also remembered RJ's thoughts on the creator, and looked elsewhere. That's when I thought of the Dreamwalkers, who could fit into this nicely... one that could walk silently, such as an ex-maiden. Amys for sure!!

 

But then, the questions/choice of words killed the thought. I think the Aeil Dreamwalkers are very unlikely, just based on the conversation. That answer to Avi ("I cannot answer your question, apprentice for it is not my place to give this truth.") would have never come out of Amys's mouth.

 

To completely cover why I'm against Verin... as I've said previously, Verin would have to know that Avi was off to be tested, know that she didn't travel directly there, have fresh(with all the spoilage, no small feat)food and utensils , know where Avi was so as to be able to put her in the right direction, and then know exactly where to FIND Avi. I mean, there isn't one big road that the Aeil use in the Three Fold Land...Verin COULD have done it timeline wise, but it seems extremely unlikely.

 

Moving on:

 

The prattle... the unusual way of answering things... the innate knowledge of the simpler parts of Aeil life (such as the food, and how to cook/season it) rules out anyone not Aeil for me personally; you can fake mannerisms and learn another's culture all you want, but if you really want to see if they are of your culture, watch how they prepare/eat food. The food channel easily proves my point. I've had Hispanic friends all my life, eaten the foods of their many cultures, but I STILL felt completely ignorant eating with my father-in-law for the first few months (my wife is Hispanic) after I married his daughter. Nothing serious, just different.

 

I do NOT like the Jenn Aeil idea; but judging from my track record, anyone who does might breath easier; yupyup, good ol' Dreggs is not on your side!! Winning!! Duh!! But that leaves very few other ideas to go with; hence, I looked again into why we knew the Creator was not involved here, and I am pleasantly surprised that I could see RJ thinking there was a difference, but not elaborating. Well, in my opinion.

 

That is not to say Nakomi IS the Creator, just that of all the possibilities, it only has the one hurdle to overcome. Note please I didn't rehash the idea I am supporting, it gets foolish to repeat everything before moving on to give it legs...

 

...and then I beefed up the post anyway to include most of it for readers who didn't want to scroll back.

[Dreggs Morlock]

Please note I have no problems with this happening in TAR if Nakomi was a mere mortal; there would HAVE to be an explanation for all the oddities. I just didn't go into it because if it in the Creator's Avatar, its not needed.

[Kahsm]

I'll try a different tack, see if my point makes more sense to you... I'm not looking to convert you, I just think it should not be ruled out immediately due to some interviews with RJ on a similar subject.

 

When I read this the first time, it had the sound and feeling of a lot of other books I have read... where the God figure has took on a mortal guise, not to test the main character, but to get the main character to test themselves. The Sword and the Satchel by Elizabeth Boyer (A GREAT easy reading fantasy author) has just such a meeting, with the main character meeting a "swineherd". Heck, Star wars has a demi-God in Yoda (JUST KIDDING) doing it to Luke Skywalker!!

 

But then I also remembered RJ's thoughts on the creator, and looked elsewhere. That's when I thought of the Dreamwalkers, who could fit into this nicely... one that could walk silently, such as an ex-maiden. Amys for sure!!

 

But then, the questions/choice of words killed the thought. I think the Aeil Dreamwalkers are very unlikely, just based on the conversation. That answer to Avi ("I cannot answer your question, apprentice for it is not my place to give this truth.") would have never come out of Amys's mouth.

 

To completely cover why I'm against Verin... as I've said previously, Verin would have to know that Avi was off to be tested, know that she didn't travel directly there, have fresh(with all the spoilage, no small feat)food and utensils , know where Avi was so as to be able to put her in the right direction, and then know exactly where to FIND Avi. I mean, there isn't one big road that the Aeil use in the Three Fold Land...Verin COULD have done it timeline wise, but it seems extremely unlikely.

 

Moving on:

 

The prattle... the unusual way of answering things... the innate knowledge of the simpler parts of Aeil life (such as the food, and how to cook/season it) rules out anyone not Aeil for me personally; you can fake mannerisms and learn another's culture all you want, but if you really want to see if they are of your culture, watch how they prepare/eat food. The food channel easily proves my point. I've had Hispanic friends all my life, eaten the foods of their many cultures, but I STILL felt completely ignorant eating with my father-in-law for the first few months (my wife is Hispanic) after I married his daughter. Nothing serious, just different.

 

I do NOT like the Jenn Aeil idea; but judging from my track record, anyone who does might breath easier; yupyup, good ol' Dreggs is not on your side!! Winning!! Duh!! But that leaves very few other ideas to go with; hence, I looked again into why we knew the Creator was not involved here, and I am pleasantly surprised that I could see RJ thinking there was a difference, but not elaborating. Well, in my opinion.

 

That is not to say Nakomi IS the Creator, just that of all the possibilities, it only has the one hurdle to overcome. Note please I didn't rehash the idea I am supporting, it gets foolish to repeat everything before moving on to give it legs...

 

...and then I beefed up the post anyway to include most of it for readers who didn't want to scroll back.

 

I get it, and I can see it the way you see it. I've read stories with those/these types of scenes as well. And while it does only have one hurdle, I think...

 

Crossroads of Twilight book tour 18 January 2003, Harvard Coop - Tallis reporting

 

The Creator is completely removed from the world; aside from ... creating ... the

Pattern, he does nothing else whatsoever to influence anything.

... is a ginormous hurdle.

 

If it was explained as one of those "corrective mechanisms" of the wheel, I might be able to buy it. But the surface view of what went on seemed far too sentient.

 

I also agree with your arguments against it being Verin, and the arguments about how she doesn't act like a WO at all. As it stands, every theory has some holes. But I think the "creator" argument has one giant hole that seems insurmountable.

[Dreggs Morlock]

I'll try a different tack, see if my point makes more sense to you... I'm not looking to convert you, I just think it should not be ruled out immediately due to some interviews with RJ on a similar subject.

 

When I read this the first time, it had the sound and feeling of a lot of other books I have read... where the God figure has took on a mortal guise, not to test the main character, but to get the main character to test themselves. The Sword and the Satchel by Elizabeth Boyer (A GREAT easy reading fantasy author) has just such a meeting, with the main character meeting a "swineherd". Heck, Star wars has a demi-God in Yoda (JUST KIDDING) doing it to Luke Skywalker!!

 

But then I also remembered RJ's thoughts on the creator, and looked elsewhere. That's when I thought of the Dreamwalkers, who could fit into this nicely... one that could walk silently, such as an ex-maiden. Amys for sure!!

 

But then, the questions/choice of words killed the thought. I think the Aeil Dreamwalkers are very unlikely, just based on the conversation. That answer to Avi ("I cannot answer your question, apprentice for it is not my place to give this truth.") would have never come out of Amys's mouth.

 

To completely cover why I'm against Verin... as I've said previously, Verin would have to know that Avi was off to be tested, know that she didn't travel directly there, have fresh(with all the spoilage, no small feat)food and utensils , know where Avi was so as to be able to put her in the right direction, and then know exactly where to FIND Avi. I mean, there isn't one big road that the Aeil use in the Three Fold Land...Verin COULD have done it timeline wise, but it seems extremely unlikely.

 

Moving on:

 

The prattle... the unusual way of answering things... the innate knowledge of the simpler parts of Aeil life (such as the food, and how to cook/season it) rules out anyone not Aeil for me personally; you can fake mannerisms and learn another's culture all you want, but if you really want to see if they are of your culture, watch how they prepare/eat food. The food channel easily proves my point. I've had Hispanic friends all my life, eaten the foods of their many cultures, but I STILL felt completely ignorant eating with my father-in-law for the first few months (my wife is Hispanic) after I married his daughter. Nothing serious, just different.

 

I do NOT like the Jenn Aeil idea; but judging from my track record, anyone who does might breath easier; yupyup, good ol' Dreggs is not on your side!! Winning!! Duh!! But that leaves very few other ideas to go with; hence, I looked again into why we knew the Creator was not involved here, and I am pleasantly surprised that I could see RJ thinking there was a difference, but not elaborating. Well, in my opinion.

 

That is not to say Nakomi IS the Creator, just that of all the possibilities, it only has the one hurdle to overcome. Note please I didn't rehash the idea I am supporting, it gets foolish to repeat everything before moving on to give it legs...

 

...and then I beefed up the post anyway to include most of it for readers who didn't want to scroll back.

 

I get it, and I can see it the way you see it. I've read stories with those/these types of scenes as well. And while it does only have one hurdle, I think...

 

Crossroads of Twilight book tour 18 January 2003, Harvard Coop - Tallis reporting

 

The Creator is completely removed from the world; aside from ... creating ... the

Pattern, he does nothing else whatsoever to influence anything.

... is a ginormous hurdle.

 

If it was explained as one of those "corrective mechanisms" of the wheel, I might be able to buy it. But the surface view of what went on seemed far too sentient.

 

I also agree with your arguments against it being Verin, and the arguments about how she doesn't act like a WO at all. As it stands, every theory has some holes. But I think the "creator" argument has one giant hole that seems insurmountable.

Point taken. But in order for this to be 100% completely true, Ishy had to do everything beside say, "I WILL TAKE NO PART."

 

That seems a little unlikely as well, though if that were true, I would agree with you. My whole theory falls apart if it wasn't the creator making an escalator...

[ZeshanHamdani]

is there a link with Nakomi theories listed?

[ptolemy99]

When Rand first showed up to visit Rhuidean, the wise ones spoke about the rituals. They made it VERY clear that wise ones may only enter the pillars once. They emphasized that if I am remembering correctly. It seems now that there was a good reason behind it. Maybe the first wise ones, or even one or two of the oldest, have gone through and had similar viewings such as Avienda did. It may even have been dictated by the Jenn to the first wise ones because the Jenn knew the eventual outcome of the Aiel. If the wise ones knew that their people, no matter the sacrifice made, would end up dying, would they have the strength to force them back into service of the Dragon.

 

The world is saved as the Aiel are needed to be victorious in the Last Battle. But maybe the Jenn thought that the same flaw that made them turn away from the Leaf would tempt them to take their chances with fate. The prophecy says a remnant of a remnant shall be saved. What if that is a lie fabricated so that the Wise Ones can keep the Aiel moving towards the Last Battle? What if the People of the Dragon have been basing their lives on one of the biggest lies told in their history.

 

 

 

I find the Aiel to be one of the better societies that exist in Randland (not saying they don't have their faults). I was heartbroken when I read Avi's vision for them and how they "lost" their honor and their way (again!). I believe that the Seanchan and the Aiel stories are tied together somehow and that will come out in the last book. Maybe Nakomi's purpose was to change the course of events so that instead of being enemies, the two societies, through the fact of the collared wise ones, will lead to a blending / merging rather than war. Maybe the remnant that shall be saved shall join with the Seanchan.

[Terez]

is there a link with Nakomi theories listed?

I'm working on a FAQ page with all the theories listed, but it's not done yet. My faith in Verin has been restored.

[ZeshanHamdani]

Thank You Quotemistress.

will u email me the link when u get it going?

really appreciate it.

[bsmnt23]

Why do we all assume the world will end if the Dragon fails to bottle up the DO again? Is that ever explisitly said? What if the future world is what would happen if Rand fails and falls leaving the bore open. Assuming the main characters all fall in the Last Battle, and most of the Trollocs, and most of the adult-age humans, leaving only the young people that we've seen in Avi's glimpse into the future. I'm thinking the Dark One would continue to make the world a progressively darker place as we've al heard of the descriptions of the time between the drilling of the Bore and the Breaking of the World. Without a doubt, this glimpse of the future is Wrong, and what could be more wrong than the Dark One triumphant?

 

Edit: Repost. Thought it might be better in this thread.

[Orderofolde]

It certainly did seem very Verinish. It is the sort of thing she would do.

 

I really cant think why it would be one of the Forsaken though. They would have probably killed her on site, or at least used some compulsion etc.. I find it very hard to believe they knew what was going to happen in the columns, or that ANYONE knew what Avi questioning the future of the Aiel. It seems tooo strange a thing for one of the Forsaken to do.

 

Verin however, is a perfect candidate. She always seemed to knwo more than most, its the only thing i can think of apart from the woman actually just being a strange Aiel.

In The Great hunt, no one knows what Matt or Perrin or Verin saw when Rand carried them via portal stone to Toman Head, only what flickers Rand saw. We have inklings that Ingtar saw something that gave him hope and the strength to turn back to the light. Perhaps Verin lived many lives and saw many different outcomes. As an Aes Sedai, she likely lived much longer lives than Rand did and saw the outcome of the Seanchan and how the Aiel might turn out if Avi didn't change. Verin was going around with all her letters trying to influence things at the end. One other possibility is the testing for Accepted. Moiraine seemed to know that Thom was not dead yet, and some other tidbits before she ever went into the first stone doorway in Tear. Perhaps Verin saw hints of her life in the future without the Tower involved in her accepted test. There are also the rings/arches in Rhuidean. Verin certainly had an agenda, and there was just something motherly about the woman with Avi. BS couldn't have spelled it out with her specific mannerisms of her birdlike peering about and other specifically worded phrases. Of course others make a good point it could have been someone else, but plugging in someone knew this late is a bit of a stretch. We'll just have to RAFO I suppose and revel in the victory of those who were right, and offer commiseration to those who were wrong or at least close.

[Hyronimus]

Sorry if this has been said, I looked but quickly,

Considering the weakening walls of reality, and how she's 'familiar'

 

Nakomi is Aviendha's olderself.

[Kahsm]

It certainly did seem very Verinish. It is the sort of thing she would do.

 

I really cant think why it would be one of the Forsaken though. They would have probably killed her on site, or at least used some compulsion etc.. I find it very hard to believe they knew what was going to happen in the columns, or that ANYONE knew what Avi questioning the future of the Aiel. It seems tooo strange a thing for one of the Forsaken to do.

 

Verin however, is a perfect candidate. She always seemed to knwo more than most, its the only thing i can think of apart from the woman actually just being a strange Aiel.

In The Great hunt, no one knows what Matt or Perrin or Verin saw when Rand carried them via portal stone to Toman Head, only what flickers Rand saw. We have inklings that Ingtar saw something that gave him hope and the strength to turn back to the light. Perhaps Verin lived many lives and saw many different outcomes. As an Aes Sedai, she likely lived much longer lives than Rand did and saw the outcome of the Seanchan and how the Aiel might turn out if Avi didn't change. Verin was going around with all her letters trying to influence things at the end. One other possibility is the testing for Accepted. Moiraine seemed to know that Thom was not dead yet, and some other tidbits before she ever went into the first stone doorway in Tear. Perhaps Verin saw hints of her life in the future without the Tower involved in her accepted test. There are also the rings/arches in Rhuidean. Verin certainly had an agenda, and there was just something motherly about the woman with Avi. BS couldn't have spelled it out with her specific mannerisms of her birdlike peering about and other specifically worded phrases. Of course others make a good point it could have been someone else, but plugging in someone knew this late is a bit of a stretch. We'll just have to RAFO I suppose and revel in the victory of those who were right, and offer commiseration to those who were wrong or at least close.

 

Not really important, but Moiraine, I believe, went into the doorway twice. That's why she particularly did not want to do it again when she was in Tear. You're not supposed to go twice. I think she even tells a story of how she went in back when it was still in Mayene, and Aes Sedai were secretly allowed to study it.

 

Not sure why someone like her would use a question to ask about who she would marry, but she specifically states she knows the 'face' of the man, so maybe she asked for knowledge of some sort and got that. I also thought it may have been a Min viewing, and Moiraine made her draw it or something... though maybe she was just told "a gleeman", and then saw Thom in the Two Rivers and knew.... who knows! Well, someone might.

 

Should have thoroughly hijacked this thread by now.

[yoniy0]

No, she definitely didn't go through it in Mayene. It was sitting in the Heart for over 300 years before the story began.

Moreover, Moiraine was very clear that one can only use it once. True, she did find the Eye twice when that was believed impossible, but she wasn't hiding the fact that she had already seen the Green Man when they set out to find it. This time, we don't hear a word about it (I seriously doubt that we wouldn't have heard about her having been to the Heart of the Stone).

[FarShainMael]

Sorry if this has been said, I looked but quickly,

Considering the weakening walls of reality, and how she's 'familiar'

 

Nakomi is Aviendha's olderself.

 

I LIKE that!!

 

Only problem is, Avi sensed that Nakomi could not channel. There could be many ways in which this could be, of course.

 

And then there's this:

 

From inside her pack, {Nakomi} drew forth several deepearth roots. Aviendha's mother had always cooked those.

 

Not Avi, but her mother, perhaps?

[Dreggs Morlock]

is there a link with Nakomi theories listed?

I'm working on a FAQ page with all the theories listed, but it's not done yet. My faith in Verin has been restored.

Strange, I didn't see any new information to warrant this, Terez. What did you see that I missed? You have a lot more contacts and information sources I do not... did you get an answer somewhere that sheds light on this?

 

I see a few people stating that there are a few ways for Verin to get future information, but I still can't see how Verin:

 

-knew that Avi was told to make the wise one journey at that specific time;

-knew that Avi did not travel directly there;

-knew where to find Avi when there are no specific paths in the three-fold land;

-knew to have fresh tubers and such plus spices that had not gone "off" to prepare to put avi at ease;

-and finally, would make the statement, "I cannot answer your question, apprentice for it is not my place to give this truth." If this was Verin, having the ability to lie and all, wouldn't she just fib about who she was? What the heck is "Verin" talking about then?

 

Again, these are just questions I have if Nakomi is indeed Verin. I'm not saying they aren't the same person, only those are some weird inconsistencies that I have no answer for.

[Kahsm]

No, she definitely didn't go through it in Mayene. It was sitting in the Heart for over 300 years before the story began.

Moreover, Moiraine was very clear that one can only use it once. True, she did find the Eye twice when that was believed impossible, but she wasn't hiding the fact that she had already seen the Green Man when they set out to find it. This time, we don't hear a word about it (I seriously doubt that we wouldn't have heard about her having been to the Heart of the Stone).

 

Ooop, good call, probably mixing my "only once" mystical thing-a-ma-jigs.

[Wantanswers]

is there a link with Nakomi theories listed?

I'm working on a FAQ page with all the theories listed, but it's not done yet. My faith in Verin has been restored.

Strange, I didn't see any new information to warrant this, Terez. What did you see that I missed? You have a lot more contacts and information sources I do not... did you get an answer somewhere that sheds light on this?

 

I see a few people stating that there are a few ways for Verin to get future information, but I still can't see how Verin:

 

-knew that Avi was told to make the wise one journey at that specific time;

-knew that Avi did not travel directly there;

-knew where to find Avi when there are no specific paths in the three-fold land;

-knew to have fresh tubers and such plus spices that had not gone "off" to prepare to put avi at ease;

-and finally, would make the statement, "I cannot answer your question, apprentice for it is not my place to give this truth." If this was Verin, having the ability to lie and all, wouldn't she just fib about who she was? What the heck is "Verin" talking about then?

 

Again, these are just questions I have if Nakomi is indeed Verin. I'm not saying they aren't the same person, only those are some weird inconsistencies that I have no answer for.

As far as I know Verin has never met Aviendha. Aviendha had gone to Salidar when Verin was in Caemlin.

Verin left Caemlin for Dumas Well. From there she went to Carhien, Far Madding, Shadar Logoth and Algarin's estate in Tear. After she left there she had trouble to reach the White Tower, ending in a meeting with Mat.

Aviendha went from Salidar to Ebou Dar and then to Caemlin. Verin made a gateway for Mat after Aviendha had already left Caemlin.

 

I consider the possibility that Nakomi is a Jenn Aiel. There are people who will object because the Jenn are extincted. I don't know why they think so, because I couldn't find any hard proof of it. Perhaps their ideas are based on the next quotation.

 

 

 

"Our days dwindle," Mordaine said. "A day will come when the Jenn are no more, and only you will remain to remember the Aiel. You must remain, or all is for nothing, and lost."

This quote doesn't say anything about extinction. It is just an interpretation, but another interpretation is possible as well.

Could the Jenn have left to hide themselves?

 

"There are some places one can not enter in Tel'aran'rhiod," Seana said. "Rhuidean. Ogier stedding. A few others. What happens there is shielded from a dreamwalker's eyes."

 

So, Rhuidean cannot be entered in the Dreamworld, but is it possible that the Jenn are hiding there?

 

Now we have 2 options about the Jenn.

They are extincted.

They are hiding

Nakomi can only be a Jenn if the second option is right.

[Lisa Campbell]

is there a link with Nakomi theories listed?

I'm working on a FAQ page with all the theories listed, but it's not done yet. My faith in Verin has been restored.

Strange, I didn't see any new information to warrant this, Terez. What did you see that I missed? You have a lot more contacts and information sources I do not... did you get an answer somewhere that sheds light on this?

 

I see a few people stating that there are a few ways for Verin to get future information, but I still can't see how Verin:

 

-knew that Avi was told to make the wise one journey at that specific time;

-knew that Avi did not travel directly there;

-knew where to find Avi when there are no specific paths in the three-fold land;

-knew to have fresh tubers and such plus spices that had not gone "off" to prepare to put avi at ease;

-and finally, would make the statement, "I cannot answer your question, apprentice for it is not my place to give this truth." If this was Verin, having the ability to lie and all, wouldn't she just fib about who she was? What the heck is "Verin" talking about then?

 

Again, these are just questions I have if Nakomi is indeed Verin. I'm not saying they aren't the same person, only those are some weird inconsistencies that I have no answer for.

As far as I know Verin has never met Aviendha. Aviendha had gone to Salidar when Verin was in Caemlin.

Verin left Caemlin for Dumas Well. From there she went to Carhien, Far Madding, Shadar Logoth and Algarin's estate in Tear. After she left there she had trouble to reach the White Tower, ending in a meeting with Mat.

Aviendha went from Salidar to Ebou Dar and then to Caemlin. Verin made a gateway for Mat after Aviendha had already left Caemlin.

 

I consider the possibility that Nakomi is a Jenn Aiel. There are people who will object because the Jenn are extincted. I don't know why they think so, because I couldn't find any hard proof of it. Perhaps their ideas are based on the next quotation.

 

 

 

"Our days dwindle," Mordaine said. "A day will come when the Jenn are no more, and only you will remain to remember the Aiel. You must remain, or all is for nothing, and lost."

This quote doesn't say anything about extinction. It is just an interpretation, but another interpretation is possible as well.

Could the Jenn have left to hide themselves?

 

"There are some places one can not enter in Tel'aran'rhiod," Seana said. "Rhuidean. Ogier stedding. A few others. What happens there is shielded from a dreamwalker's eyes."

 

So, Rhuidean cannot be entered in the Dreamworld, but is it possible that the Jenn are hiding there?

 

Now we have 2 options about the Jenn.

They are extincted.

They are hiding

Nakomi can only be a Jenn if the second option is right.

 

I said a long time ago that maybe Nakomi is of the Jenn. I thought it was more like the Heroes of the Horn though and that she may have only existed in TAR and recognised Avienda in some way, or something in her. Avienda could enter the dream with help, she may have been drifting and Nakomi assisted or pulled her in.

[W_A]

I found the way that Aviendha quickly switched opinions while talking to her to seem like Compulsion, which in my mind makes her either:

Moghedien or Cyndane, because they are the only women in this age at this time who know how to invert weaves (Where you can't see it as it's being spun, not once it is spun). It could have been Graendal going just by that, but she was preoccupied.

Demandred or Moridin, because they're men and so she couldn't see it if they wove Compulsion. On the other hand,a MoM would be hard to maintain if he were moving and touching things, and it doesn't seem like something Demandred would do, because he seems more like a big picture guy, and he couldn't have known she would come, and he wouldn't interrupt his plans for something so small. Pretty much the same applies to Moridin

Taim, but this has the same flaws as D+M, and he's very busy

Some other random person, but the problem with this is that Nakomi seems like someone important and dramatically speaking, is probably a major character.

 

So over all, I'm going with Moghedien, because Cyndane is probably going to be involved in other stuff in aMoL, and Moghedien has been shown to use Compulsion.

[Ace Sedai]

This post was a good read.

Still I didn't come away knowing who it was.I appreciate the scene a little more though.