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Dreggs Morlock

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  1. What caused the taint? Now, I know the Dark One was responsible; but was the "Dark one's Backlash" caused by the Dark One actually lashing out, or was it caused by Saidin coming in contact with the Dark ONe/Dark One's Prison? The reason I ask this is simple: if, like I always thought, the Dark One did it consciously as a counter strike...why didn't the Dark One just put it back in place after Rand cleansed the Source?
  2. IIRC Rand is still unaware of Perrin's TAR abilities, or even of the details of his bond with the wolves. Actually, he's unaware of many facts: Elayne's pregnancy, Moiraine rescue mission, Mat's marriage, Morgase... He knows who Galad is to him whereas Galad cannot know that, so whose timing is worse? Maybe something with Aes Sedai-Asha'man official establishement of roles? Or division of areas of influence between the Seanchan and the rest? I was thinking it was the Seanchan/Randland peace treaty so they can fight side by side at the Last battle, maybe involving Rand bowing the the crystal Throne? But... I have nothing to back this up with. As far as what theory went down the tubes, well... Roedran is as good as any other, since we don't know what Leigh is familar with. I lean towards Roedran only because I can't think of another big one that 1) is still active, and 2) would garner that sort of reation from Leigh. I'm not married to this assertion, and very open to other ideas.
  3. After commenting here and on Lucker's other thread, I've come to the conclusion that what I want from Dragonmount is a place to talk about the WoT. As such, I am putting this and anything close to this topic behind me; many of the people I disagree with here are people I otherwise really respect, so thats where I'd like to leave it. MoL is out in less than a month, and I'd really like to enjoy it with the people here; I just will not be able read anything in regards to the writing of said book, just the book itself. A fine line... let's hope everyone can do this, so that as old friends come back to rave or rant about our beloved series, Dragonmount will grow and grow and have the traffic to be what we all want it to be. Hopefully, both sides of this issues can agree on at least this!
  4. I was going to start a new thread for this, but then I saw Leigh's review, and it played right along with what I noticed. I swear I was questioning this before I even knew Leigh had posted her review, and her words only make me more sure of myself that this is significant. First, what Leigh said: Quote Wow, I totally forgot that ______ didn’t actually know that. And yes, dude, your timing sucks balls. Sheesh. Now, here is what I saw in ToM (page 609 of the Hardcover) and wanted to ask the primal minds of Dragonmount if they thought this was important: Quote (my bolded emphasis added, as well as underlined): "And still Slayer beat us," he said bitterly. "A pack of five of us together weren't enough to fight him." Perrin had felt this way when he'd found his family dead, killed by trollocs. How many was the Shadow going to take from him by the time this was done? Hopper should have been safe in the wolf dream. For BS to bring this up (the fact the Perrin thinks his family was killed by Trollocs) made me think it was significant, because if I recall correctly, FAIN killed Perrin's family with the help of the White Cloaks; I also seem to remember Bornhald being there to witness it, if not participate. Unfortunately, I do not have The Shadow Rising to check this out, so this is ALL from memory. Now, with Leigh talkiing about something that seems to mesh with my question, I am starting to think her quote and Perrin's understanding of his family's fate could be one and the same. Thoughts?
  5. I think there was a reason that, when Jordan announced his illness and was asked if someone else might finish the series, he said in essence, "I'll burn my notes first." He knew his beloved characters would be changed forever if he could not finish it...and they were. I've been here a long time; I have pages of posts in the "Who killed Asmodaen" files, which seemed to be the proving grounds here once upon an arguement. I have been here long enough to disappear, and when I came back 5 years ago, I had lost the original email account I used to sign up with, and that meant my old name here was also lost forever (I had forgotten my password). Everytime I "rediscovered" Dragonmount, it made me very happy. But in the last year or so, little by little that has changed. When Brandon Sanderson was chosen to finish this series, his work ceased to be "FanFic" and became the official story. We know Jordan didn't want anyone to do this, but his love for his fans stopped him from burning those notes, and allowed us an ending. Now, as I read all the "inside information", what is being left unsaid (but if you read between the lines, its there) is either Sanderson mailed it in, or Harriet didn't not allow him to do the things OGs here felt was neccesary to "get it right". Either way, I have a problem with it-- and so I can walk away from Dragonmount (which I have been doing) or I can get into it with some of the players (which I did more recently). PLEASE NOTE: This is what I feel disheartened by, others disagree with me and have different reasons, but the root of all this...disappointment?... is the same. But here is the sad SAD truth: right before the last book is to come out, there is a divide growing at the largest online community that supports MoL and the rest of the series as a whole. WTF?! There is a very good chance this is the last foray into the forums of this site for me, and for every person who takes the time to say something similar, there might be 5 who just walk. At a time where Dragonmount should be growing to the largest it will ever be, bubbling with the euphoria of the completion of a series that has meant sooo much to so many of us, Dragonmount might very well be contracting due to a few people who just can't let their problems with the Sanderson era of WoT slide. A year from now, these critiques would be appropriate, especially when we will know if MoL has solved some of these problems or if its the same ol' schtick. Now, on the eve of the the last book being released... its sheer stupidity. That makes me sad. It should not have been this way. Luckers, this thread started with you saying, in essence, "I know I hurt people, perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Here is a little salt and lemon juice." It is very unlike you...or maybe it is, and I am mistaken. I don't know anymore. I do know that I am enjoying the end of my favorite fantasy series, despite Dragonmount.
  6. I HAVE read the entire thread, and what bothered me so much was the quote I used was towards the end. I assume the auther has ALSO read the entire thread, and as such has seen that the majority of the community agrees that Jordan would have done the ending a LOT better, and BS made some errors and didn't do certain scenes justice. We ALL got that! My original post did not argue these points; instead, I was trying to point out that when a person uses those facts to draw opinions about BS and the Jordan team, THAT'S when you get into arguements and disagreement. Hell, sometimes it is fun just to talk about what could have been...instead, we are pulled out of Randland into the realities of the situation due to Jordan's death. For all I know, and unless Luckers and Terez have info directly from BS that contradicts me, BS did as good a job as he could with the time given. If they DO have information that this is indeed the case, I truly apologize. My biggest frustration is, when I feel like a scene wasn't given it due attention, I don't want to talk about it here, because invariably it turns from "Wow, this scene could have been money!!" to "Yeah, BS screwed it up because..." Whether intended or not, anyone with a problem with a given scene gets scooped up into a completely different arguement...that is, "Who's fault is this?!" I'll edit this to stress one thing again...I agree with most of what has been said, and it irritates me that if someone disagrees with this: There is a feeling that Brandon did not do all HE could do. That it got to the point where Brandon (and all of Team Jordan) got to the point where they just wanted to be DONE... then somehow, we are all just like the people who insist no one is allowed to criticize BS's work. I am NOT one of those people.
  7. Really? you know for a fact he could have done better, he just decided to mail it in so he could get back to his own stuff? Aside from the obvious question of how do you know, since Dune is the only book I can think of where a series with this type of depth was finished by someone besides the original author, so we really have no way to judge what is a "good" job and what is a "bad" job. Does everyone who is critical of BS's work here agree with Fisher? If so, there is no sense in talking about this anymore, because if you think BS intentionally did a bad job, it leaves nothing left to say.
  8. Really? Are we going to discuss this, or just come up with the most ludicris couples? Usually, the jokes start after the discussion is exhausted, not before. I don't mean to be a party pooper, but I seriously can't believe this thread has stalled so quickly.
  9. Sticking with the quotes is a lot more fun than reading things that belong in the "Thisguy" post...hehe. DON'T GET MAD, it was a jest. The only problem I have with Avi to Rand is, would Avi call sex "bedding" someone? I don't think the Aiel used beds in their history in the Three-Fold Land, so how would they have that particular idiom? It certainly sounds like someone used to giving orders, so I'm leaning towards Tuon to Mat. Maybe a distraction when Mat is trying to get Tuon to call off her attacks on the other good guys? She likes to shock him, and being that blunt would leave him speechless, IMO.
  10. Dont make excuses for him IMO. He was given plenty of time. So much time that he was writing his own books during the same time period. It sucks, but the reality is that BS butchered the last few books (we have yet to see the last one, but given what we already have seen I would be shocked if things changed much). This wasn't his editors fault, it was HIS fault. He wrote the books and therefor he was responsible. The guy just doesn't have the attention to detail and drive for perfection that was needed. THIS is the stuff that gets people like me in a huff. He did NOT butcher the books...if I can be blunt, RJ's death did that. When I see things in the books that Jordan would have done 100%+ better, I don't shake an angry stick at Brandon; instead it reminds me of how much I miss Jordan and how much sorrow I feel that he was taken from us. Pointing out those parts of the books that are no where near Jordan's quality helps some of us deal with the fact we will never get the ending we truly wanted. But ugly words for Brandon's attempt to at least give us an ending helps no one, and instead get people like me taking the time to defend him. I think people have every right to point out differences, but for Jordan and Brandon's sake...leave it there. Why do sooo many people insist on assigning blame?? It's not noticing the differences or mistakes that is really the problem here; its the heaping fo the "blame it on Brandon" that sparks all the arguements.
  11. Shrug. Not sure why we would trust her, she is a lier and Rand is clear multiple times that she loved power more than him and RJ backs it up with his quotes. Pretty cut and dry... Lanfear counted on the fact that Rand had none of LTT's memories, due to what she did during the war. Now that he has ALL of those memories, she has ZERO chance of swaying him...except for lust. The epilogue leaves us with 2 questions, IMO: 1) Is Rand suseptible to Lanfear's "charms of the flesh"; and 2) Does Lanfear still have a way into Rand's dreams?
  12. Personally, I grow weary of people who have darn good theories, but cannot abide anyone asking logical questions that undermine them, or having a competing theory that sounds just as good. There are a few long time members that get very, VERY nasty if you disagree with them. Afterall, this is a place for discussion threads, and if a theory isn't weird, out of the blue, or has already been disproven (aka Taim v. Demandred), they should make their points for or against and move on, not dally and get ugly because their pet theory says something different. It seems like every long thread has at least 2-3 pages (minimum) of these types of spats that get us nowhere.
  13. Suttree, I've gone back and re-read all the relevent chapters, and I have to agree with Hopetree in that there was a minimum of 900,000 trollocs present (the term "several" isn't used to replace "a couple", so the original force is 300+ thousand). I do not argue that Sanderson said the numbers at the manor house of dead trollocs were comparable to Maradon, but all that does is make me question his ability to keep these things straight. At best, his descriptions at Maradon inflated the numbers of trollocs beyond what they should have been, creating a buttload of confusion, ~Or~ Rand only killed around 100k at Maradon, and Sanderson is saying the other 800,000 trollocs ran away, fast enough to get out of range of the Dragon Reborn's retribution. Either way, this really takes the wind out of my sails as far as how cool the battle for Maradon was.
  14. I used to be Drewlovs on this site, but I stopped posting for a bit, then when I came back, I locked myself out. So I created dreggs Morlock, 5 years ago. JEEZ...has it been 5 years?!

  15. I do enjoy reading these "WOT If..." posts. They are well thought out, concise, and make me think. Well done, I'm starting to look forward to them as relief from waiting for MoL. Thank you.
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