Mafia - A Christmas Tale - Mafia Won

[mmeeshal]

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/popcorn

Did you just actively spam the game thread, Wombat?

 

Please don't.  Try contributing.  Or if you have nothing at the moment, lurk instead.

 

But don't spam so blatantly.

 

**EDIT** (because my darn internet is being a dumb*ss)

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I'm really not sure about Lily anymore.  Pale is making some good points.

The best we can do is assume she's telling the truth until we have substantial evidence to the contrary.

[a pale tanned lover]

My points were meant to mean, trust no-one, the best mafia players are the ones who people suspect the least.

[Reyoru]

Absolutely. But our little 4 way conversation over the last hour or so has got us no closer to finding scum. Its night time, where the majority of scum will be in their hidey holes discussing who's gonna get night killed. Look for the lurkers at night.

[mmeeshal]

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My points were meant to mean, trust no-one, the best mafia players are the ones who people suspect the least.

By that logic, I must either be a totally crappy mafia player or else not mafia! ;D :P

 

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Absolutely. But our little 4 way conversation over the last hour or so has got us no closer to finding scum. Its night time, where the majority of scum will be in their hidey holes discussing who's gonna get night killed. Look for the lurkers at night.

BUZZ. Wrong answer.  Either you're purposely trying to mislead the town or you're just really inexperienced or have skewed views of the game.  Every bit of discussion that goes on helps a little, regardless of whether or not it takes place during the Day phase.  And "looking for lurkers at nighttime" seems too easy, doesn't it?  What a way-obvious answer.  You're climbing my scumdar again, Rey.

[a pale tanned lover]

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Quote from: Pale Merlot on Today at 12:05:10 AM

My points were meant to mean, trust no-one, the best mafia players are the ones who people suspect the least.

By that logic, I must either be a totally crappy mafia player or else not mafia! 

You play the same town or mafia.

[a pale tanned lover]

Lurkers don't mean they are mafia, that was a mafia reason made up too throw people off in the first place :D

[mmeeshal]

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Quote from: Pale Merlot on Today at 12:05:10 AM

My points were meant to mean, trust no-one, the best mafia players are the ones who people suspect the least.

By that logic, I must either be a totally crappy mafia player or else not mafia! 

You play the same town or mafia.

 

People keep saying that, and I don't know why!  I'm serious, by the way.  Have you guys played enough games with me as both town and mafia that you'd honestly know how I play?  Maybe externally it looks the same to people upon first glance, but I don't recall ever having played in two games exactly the same way.  The "way" I play depends entirely on circumstance--what's going on offline, who's in the game, how other people are playing, where the game's located, what the theme of the game is, who's modding it, how I'm doing emotionally...

 

So I guess in one way you're right--regardless of my alignment, the way I play is ALWAYS dependent upon circumstances of the "here and now."  But in general, that's still not a very accurate thing to say, because circumstances are constantly changing so I can't really be exactly the same in two games.

 

WHOA, I realize I'm feeling slightly attacked as a mafia player in general. :D  I don't think there's anything wrong with people who play the same regardless of alignment, but I'm semi-insulted that people think they KNOW my playing style so well already, and can categorize it so perfectly.  I'm still developing as a player, guys, believe it or not.  There are lots of things I haven't done in my time playing mafia, things I haven't experienced, and things I've never heard of but others have.

[a pale tanned lover]

Well i did get it from you saying it too be honest Meesh  :D

[WWWwombat]

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The best we can do is assume she's telling the truth until we have substantial evidence to the contrary.

 

Yeah that makes sense, the risk is too high the other way.

 

As far as play style goes, I can see why you would want some aspects of your game to seem the same every time, but you do have to change gears and mix things up sometimes depending on the situation.  Basically you want to find the right balance that makes you both unpredictable and unreadable.  I'm just a nooby though so what do I know.

[a pale tanned lover]

That makes you an unknown ingredient that hasn't been tasted, that no-one is sure of yet ;)

[Locke]

Dang it!  He was a townie after all. :-\

 

I had hoped we'd finally be able to pull down a mafia, but instead the 4th straight townie goes down.  More questions, less answers. :(

 

 

[LilyElizabeth]

To be honest, guys, I'm useless to you, anyway, so I wouldn't mind all that much if I got lynched. It's frustrating to have a role you can't use.

 

Pale, I have a reason why I suspect you. Sadly, I can't tell you because it's metagaming, and if I tell you, I'll never be able to use it again. Let's just say some of us play a certain way when we're town and different when we're scum. You stand out more than most to me. If it turns out that I'm wrong, then I'll tell you, because well, I'll be wrong, and it won't be working after all.

 

And I NEVER play the same way twice. What kind of player does that make me?

 

 

[a pale tanned lover]

Lily, you would never have revealed first day in any of the games we played before together. So you play different now from when you were town like you used too?

 

 

[LilyElizabeth]

I just said I play differently in every game. You never know what I'm going to do.  ;)

 

Believe me, I wish I hadn't revealed and I had been nightkilled. This game isn't a lot of fun, having the most fun role there is and not being able to use it. I can only hope it gets better. But, as a mod, I inflicted far worse frustration on a player, so I'll take my lumps.

 

 

[Alanna]

Hmm, so Chrono was innocent. Well, I think we can get some good info off his lynch. I'm just not sure what yet cuz I don't have time to look LOL.

 

Just wanted to let you guys know, I may not be able to check in here until Monday. I'm driving to Texas from L.A. this weekend. I think I should have internet at my motel tomorrow night, but Sunday I definitely won't.

[WWWwombat]

I think you might be right about Pale, Lily.  It's hard to tell.  Pale made good points, but in the end I trust you more than Pale.

[WWWwombat]

Pale very well could be innocent.  Just because you two are at odds doesn't mean one of you is mafia.  I don't know what to think about Pale right now.

[Locke]

Okay then, a couple thoughts:

 

Wombat seemed to be doing a little suspicion starting day 2 (like me now, potentially).  If you recall, he was the first to cast suspicion on Chrono.  Although, ironically, his voting of me actually reduces my suspicion of him slightly in my mind, because it'd make more sense for a mafia to continue after Chrono.  Of course, he could just be a townie trying to root out the mafia, but with nothing too big to go off, we're left with little things.

 

Oh, and Meesh is acting suspiciously Townie like. :D

 

Gosh, this is difficult and frustrating.  I spend time when I've got nothing to do thinking about it and I can hardly think of anything.  We need to get a mafia day 3 or our chances of winning go down drastically.  But if we can find a mafia then we can go through all his/her posts and that should give us some clues.

[Al Jenn Mael]

Pale - In regards to Lily. Yes, I would agree that her reasoning and arguments don't seem poor... but, if she wasn't the finder that means a finder is out there. If that is the case then what came of his/her findings last night and Lilys false claim have been haven't been used and that finder is totally worthless. That being said it seems much more likely that there isn't another finder out there and you're continually attack of lily just serves to weaken your position.

[WWWwombat]

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If that is the case then what came of his/her findings last night and Lilys false claim have been haven't been used and that finder is totally worthless.

 

Could you try writing this sentence again in your next post?  I couldn't understand it.

[Al Jenn Mael]

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I find it incredibly ridiculous that up till now, no one has given a reason why they find me scummy.  It's just "Oh, I'm keeping an eye on Meesh" or "Yeah, she's at the top of my list" but no "here's why."

 

Actually the reason why I find you so 'scummy' is for several factors.

 

1. You cast blame on everyone, diluting suspicions among everyone.

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What a way-obvious answer.  You're climbing my scumdar again, Rey.

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Though, on the other hand, he was the original person to say I seemed "too clever," so I can understand part of the misunderstanding.

He's still fairly high on my suspect list, though.

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C) the fact that he's avoided discussing anything game-related makes me highly highly highly suspicious of him.

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Wombat, the fact that you keep emphasizing that you have no/limited information to work with is making me suspicious of you.

 

Etc. Which with the finder blocked and it only being night 2 we don't have much information to go on and so there is a broad suspicion base. However I believe you're smarter and better at this game than that and the general 'suspicions' are just serving to disseminate and guide us away from any sort of direction. What I meant when I said you were 'to clever' is that so far you really haven't ferreted anything out and again just evenly spread the blame. I will grant that you did spearhead the hunt against Chrono (Do I need a quote for that?) however again I think you are good enough that you would have come up with my reasoning that I had latter.

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As for voting for Chrono, well mostly he has been lurking and hasn't given us much to analyze. I just wanted to put pressure on him to defend himself so I could then see if he was likely to be mafia or not. Seeing as how several votes have gone his way and he still hasn't come to defend himself, I honestly believe that he isn't paying to much attention to this tread. Which is sad since it now seems more likely he is a simple townie who isn't contributing much.

 

 

Aside from distributing the blame and suspicions, you and Pale seem to have some sort of agreement, understanding, or otherwise. If you like I'll post quotes but you haven't argued at all with one another and agree with each without any suspicion. Therefore I am lead to assume that you know you are both on the same team. Since I don't think you two have a townie ability like that it leads me to believe that you both are mafia.

 

My last reason is the weakest since I don't know how you play or your personality that well. You are very aggressive in defense and acquisitions. It seems like you are over playing this a bit to much.

 

 

***Edit for Wombat***

I'll try and clarify. If there is another finder out there they would have had results from day 1 night activity and they would know that lily is Mafia. Since the only person to really try and attack lily is Pale he would be the most logical for 'under cover finder' however he hasn't posted like that is his role. So therefore we must assume that if there was an undercover finder they haven't been contributing and would be useless. Since I doubt that would have happened to anyone here (including Wolfie who has been sick) we can therefore conclude that Lily is the finder by lack of evidence from counter-claim or 'hidden finder' activity.

[WWWwombat]

I see.  That makes sense.

[Reyoru]

That was a great post Al, your arguments are sound.

[a pale tanned lover]

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Pale - In regards to Lily. Yes, I would agree that her reasoning and arguments don't seem poor... but, if she wasn't the finder that means a finder is out there. If that is the case then what came of his/her findings last night and Lilys false claim have been haven't been used and that finder is totally worthless. That being said it seems much more likely that there isn't another finder out there and you're continually attack of lily just serves to weaken your position.

My continually attack of lily?? Your over elaborate defense of lily has been duly noted ;)

 

 

 

 

[mmeeshal]

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Actually the reason why I find you so 'scummy' is for several factors.

 

1. You cast blame on everyone, diluting suspicions among everyone.

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Which with the finder blocked and it only being night 2 we don't have much information to go on and so there is a broad suspicion base. However I believe you're smarter and better at this game than that and the general 'suspicions' are just serving to disseminate and guide us away from any sort of direction.

I'm sorry, this made me laugh.  You seem smart enough to realize that just because I'm "smarter" and "better at this game" doesn't mean I'm omniscient.  Ever considered the possibility that maybe I actually don't know who's scum?  One of the reasons I've been asking and poking people to contribute to discussion is because if no one talks, we have absolutely nothing to go on.  I'm not casting general suspicions on people.  I'm just saying what I think when I think it.  If someone is acting scummy, I'm gonna say something about it if it pings my scumdar.  I'm not going to rule someone out just because I'm already suspicious of other people.

 

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What I meant when I said you were 'to clever' is that so far you really haven't ferreted anything out and again just evenly spread the blame.

Sorry, this doesn't make any sense to me.  I haven't spread any "blame."  Only stated my personal suspicions.  Also, why the heck should I be the only one to ferret anything out?  If someone is having difficulties pinpointing scum, does that automatically make them scum?  Again, perhaps I really don't know who is more likely to be scum?  Your arguments so far are sadly weak and make little sense.  "Meesh is acting slick because she hasn't figured out who's scum yet."  Oh, okay.  I totally see your point. ::)

 

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I will grant that you did spearhead the hunt against Chrono (Do I need a quote for that?) however again I think you are good enough that you would have come up with my reasoning that I had latter.

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As for voting for Chrono, well mostly he has been lurking and hasn't given us much to analyze. I just wanted to put pressure on him to defend himself so I could then see if he was likely to be mafia or not. Seeing as how several votes have gone his way and he still hasn't come to defend himself, I honestly believe that he isn't paying to much attention to this tread. Which is sad since it now seems more likely he is a simple townie who isn't contributing much.

I'm not really sure what you meant by "you would've come up with my reasoning that I had later."  What point are you trying to make with that?  Honestly confused here.

 

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Aside from distributing the blame and suspicions, you and Pale seem to have some sort of agreement, understanding, or otherwise. If you like I'll post quotes but you haven't argued at all with one another and agree with each without any suspicion. Therefore I am lead to assume that you know you are both on the same team. Since I don't think you two have a townie ability like that it leads me to believe that you both are mafia.

I don't argue much with Pallet because I understand his reasoning.  Just because we think alike sometimes doesn't make us on the same team.  I HAVE stated openly that while I do agree that it's POSSIBLE that Lily is lying, I am of the opinion that she's probably not.  Which puts me in the opposite stance from Pallet.

And why should I state how suspicious I am of him, if I don't have specific actions/quotes that seem suspicious?  He hasn't done anything that actively seems scummy, to me.  I'm not ignoring him, by any means; there are plenty of people I haven't argued with or cast suspicion on, but that I'm keeping an eye on.  He's one of them.

 

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My last reason is the weakest since I don't know how you play or your personality that well. You are very aggressive in defense and acquisitions. It seems like you are over playing this a bit to much.

"Acquisitions?" Not sure how you're using that word here.  Maybe I just want to find scum, could be it.  Could also be that I'm stressed and emotional a lot lately, plus fighting depression.  "Over playing" whatever "this" is is totally a silly argument.  Apparently, you should change it from "don't know your personality that well" to "don't know you at all" because I haven't interacted with you hardly at all except in this game.