The Big (Currently) Unoticed Thing In Books 4-6 (Mistborn Spoilers)

[ed2funy]

esplain some more...

than make one in Fiddles...

lol...that is where I make the funny dumb ones...

 

It is really hard to make a bad thread there...people will just ignore it instead of saying it is in the wrong section. ;)

[grolm]

 

 

Rand got the bracelet from the Maidens to try to bribe Avi to be civil toward him.  The Maidens thought it was a "regard gift," aka box o chocolates on V day.  We know nothing about where they got the bracelet but I doubt it's a ter'angreal or anything special.  No idea why Sorilea would be interested in it, I forgot that she'd noticed it at all.

 

Avi was set to spy on Rand and build a bridge between him and the Aiel. I forget which book, but at one place one of the Wise Ones utters some quote to Rand that, " I will have you know the Aiel as your blood even if I have to make the ..."

 

They wanted Avi to attract Rand's interest, which she did. Sorilea would be on the look out for clues that their plan was working, and a regard gift would be a clue that Avi's charming personality was working on the Car'a'carn.

[Crael123]

 

 

Rand got the bracelet from the Maidens to try to bribe Avi to be civil toward him.  The Maidens thought it was a "regard gift," aka box o chocolates on V day.  We know nothing about where they got the bracelet but I doubt it's a ter'angreal or anything special.  No idea why Sorilea would be interested in it, I forgot that she'd noticed it at all.

 

Avi was set to spy on Rand and build a bridge between him and the Aiel. I forget which book, but at one place one of the Wise Ones utters some quote to Rand that, " I will have you know the Aiel as your blood even if I have to make the ..."

 

They wanted Avi to attract Rand's interest, which she did. Sorilea would be on the look out for clues that their plan was working, and a regard gift would be a clue that Avi's charming personality was working on the Car'a'carn.

 

yes because avi was just SO civil towards rand before they had sex in Fires of Heaven ;D

[Auld Manriva]

Avi's bracelet... Are we sure we don't know where the Maiden's got it? Could it have been from the Kadere group?

 

It would seem if it was anything like an agreal Avi would feel it, but could it not be like one of the coins Moiraine gave the TR Kids?

 

IF of course it came from Lanfear, and of which I am entirely unsure.

 

Is there anything Else like that in those three books? An object or the like someone's been totin' ever since other than Rand's wound from Fain? What are we missing about that wound? Anything?

[Sharaman]

The wounds happened in Book II (Ishamel) and Book VII (Fain).

 

[Mr. Insane]

    The whole "And he shall hold a blade of light in his hands, and the three shall become one" line of prophecy that Min and Cadsuane talk about may be a hint at this.

 

    In The Shadow Rising, page 970, Rand is fighting Asmodean -

  "He formed it like a sword of power, a sword of light, and struck; one with the sword, one with the imagined wires"

 

    I wonder if this is fulfillment of the Blade of Light prophecy and the unnoticed thing in books 4-6 both, and if so, what did Rand become one with? A connection to the dark one?

[lillcheese]

Avi's bracelet... Are we sure we don't know where the Maiden's got it? Could it have been from the Kadere group?

 

IF of course it came from Lanfear, and of which I am entirely unsure.

 

 

As I recall, the bracelet is made of ivory and perhaps wood.  If so, then I think they probably trade with Shara for the raw ivory and then Aiel artists do the jewelry making.  All this to say, I don't think it was from Kadere's wagon or a trick of Lanfear's.

 

Anyone have quotes for us?

[Lewsdarren]

A case for the fat little man angreal.....it definitely fits in the 4-6 time frame, and from Rands pov in CoS- quote. The wagons that had been brought from Dumai's Wells would have to be searched again. The fat littl e man angreal had to be there somewhere. None of the sisters who had escaped could have had a clue what it was. Unless, perhaps, one had stuck a souvenir of the Dragon Reborn in her pouch. No. It had to be in the wagons somewhere. With that, he was more than a match for any of the Forsaken. Without it....Death, destruction and madness. CoS pg 183. So, it seems the angreal was something important that RJ would have had notes on, and that Rand had some previous knowledge about it that we didn't/haven't seen.  So its big.

 

Was it unnoticed? Well, if you were looking at the posting boards post KoD as BS was, Yes.

Discussion of it had petered out three books ago. At the time, BS was likely writing the scene where it shows up again, and saying ' wow, this is big and nobody noticed!'

As for the BUT going on for 'books and books', I think BS was disembling-trying to back off his statement a bit, and I've certainly been waiting for books to see something about where the fat little man is, who's got him, and why he's important......

 

I think we may see the fat little man again at the BT, at which point Rand will reveal the back story Finns questions, which will lead to an a-ha moment for Min and a plan for Sealing the DO.

[ed2funy]

    The whole "And he shall hold a blade of light in his hands, and the three shall become one" line of prophecy that Min and Cadsuane talk about may be a hint at this.

 

    In The Shadow Rising, page 970, Rand is fighting Asmodean -

  "He formed it like a sword of power, a sword of light, and struck; one with the sword, one with the imagined wires"

 

    I wonder if this is fulfillment of the Blade of Light prophecy and the unnoticed thing in books 4-6 both, and if so, what did Rand become one with? A connection to the dark one?

 

I believe you posted this in another thread...o.0

 

I still say no....because "three" didn't become "one"

I don't see how you are making this connection.

[Mr. Insane]

   The whole "And he shall hold a blade of light in his hands, and the three shall become one" line of prophecy that Min and Cadsuane talk about may be a hint at this.

 

   In The Shadow Rising, page 970, Rand is fighting Asmodean -

  "He formed it like a sword of power, a sword of light, and struck; one with the sword, one with the imagined wires"

 

   I wonder if this is fulfillment of the Blade of Light prophecy and the unnoticed thing in books 4-6 both, and if so, what did Rand become one with? A connection to the dark one?

 

I believe you posted this in another thread...o.0

I still say no....because "three" didn't become "one"

I don't see how you are making this connection.

 

  To me the sentence implies that 1(rand) became one with 2(A blade of light crafted with the power) and 3(Asmodean's connection to the dark one) that seems the best interpretation of that sentence to me in the context of the last chapter of TSR.

[Luckers]

To me the obvious explanation is the simple one. To use Callandor safely requires a circle of three. Callandor glows. Callandor was emphasized through the entire book as significant beyond simply announcing Rand.

 

Furthermore Rand has a problem with trusting women who can channel. The significance of Rand and two women working together, trusting each other to that degree, supplies the 'three become one'.

[Yates_]

Is Tam Al'Thor Jain Farstrider?

 

I sort of wandered away from the series for a few years, due to the length between the last book and decline in quality.  Also, I took books 1-7 with me when I spent a semester abroad and basically memorized them. 

 

If this has been discussed ad Nauseum, I will apologize.  But, Tam's dissappearance from the Two Rivers, along with his amazing skill set, join up nicely with Jain Farstrider.  Bela, who is key to the story, would even be his horse, Jeadean (sp?) or True Home finder.  It would all fit.  A little horse with abilities that seem to outstrip her outward appearance, Tam's martial abilities, etc.  Plus, we got a throaway line about Tam's favorite book being travels of Jain Farstrider.  Not only that, but at the end of TGS we see that he is totally unscared of the Aes Sedai, Cadsuane, who makes every one else wet themselves. 

 

We heard about his past from Moiraine in Great Hunt, but that may be only what SHE was told.  Tam could have concocted that story about his past in Illian.  Heck, he could have been in Illian when the Aiel Crossed the Wall to kill Laman, joined up under his own name, and then risen through the ranks using his own name. 

 

And we continue to get little hints that Jain Farstrider knows something or is somehow key to the whole shebangabang. 

 

I mean, the Dragon Reborn, taken in by the Jain Farstrider? 

 

What do you think.  If this has been debunked, please let me know.  I only came up with this in the last week or so.

[Luckers]

No. Tam Al'thor is Tam Al'thor.

 

Farstrider is almost certainly Noal.

[thewalrus777]

To the above post, it is widely accepted that Noal is Jain Farstrider. You met him later on in 8 or 9, if not already in 7. You'll find a ton of quotes in the books that just points in his general direction.

[Tensai0211]

Here's something from Lord of Chaos which might get you thinking

 

Lord of Chaos - Chapter 19 Matters of Toh(page 436)

 

"There is one other I can tell you, though it may not concern you." Which meant there were some she would not tell, which made him wonder why the Wise Ones had discussed them with her, since she was not a dreamwalker. "All three had this dream, which makes it especially significant. Rain." that word still came clumsily too, "coming from a bowl. There are snares and pitfalls around the bowl. If the right hands pick it up, they will find a treasure perhaps as great as the bowl. If the wrong hands, the world is doomed. The key to finding the bowl is to find the one who is no longer."

 

The whole world is doomed bit is quite eye catching.

[JakeBarnes]

I don't understand why you posted the LoC quote.

[Vulgir]

The Sun Also Rises is one of my Favorite books. Nice name.

[JakeBarnes]

I don't know what you mean. I would never name myself after a Hemingway character  ;)

 

Back to the topic though, have we overlooked the fact that Avendesora still lives in the Waste?  The last mention of it in the Encyclopaedia is that Moiraine says it is still alive. 

[BladeDancer]

I am in the midst of doing a series re-read and the following occurred to me. I am not sure if it has been commented upon. At the end of The Shadow Rising Padain Fain announces he is off to Caemlyn. Then at the Prologue of the next book, The Fires of Heaven, Fain is meeting with Elaida in Tar Valon.

 

Now do we know what Fain did in Caemlyn? Did he just go to Caemlyn and pass through it because it was on route to Tar Valon from the Two Rivers? We know Fain has an ability to corrupt people by his presence, so what he does can have an effect on other people. What he did in Caemlyn and why he went there could prove significant.

[Sentinel78]

Now do we know what Fain did in Caemlyn? Did he just go to Caemlyn and pass through it because it was on route to Tar Valon from the Two Rivers? We know Fain has an ability to corrupt people by his presence, so what he does can have an effect on other people. What he did in Caemlyn and why he went there could prove significant

 

Fain used those leftover corrupted Whitecloaks from the Two Rivers campaign in an attempted assassination attempt on Rand, although he mentioned he would have been upset if it succeeded.  Fain also hooked up with some random Darkfriend and her kid, who he somehow damaged using his powers.  Fain noted his ability to detect Darkfriends by sight. 

 

Aside from that we have no idea what Fain was up to.

[Bastor]

It's strange that GLoD should flex his muscles by playing Lego with the White Tower and the Stone. But this really starts happening further into the series.

 

The DO isn't directly reaching out and changing the layout of the Whitetower. The idea of bubbles of evil is that he releases part of his "chaos" into the pattern and it settles somewhere and changes the Pattern.

 

The first bubble of evil I remember is from book 4. Rand gets attacked by images in the mirror, Mat gets attacked by the cards, and Perrin/Faile get attacked by Perrin's axe.

 

Oh, I remember one that MIGHT be a bubble of evil from book 2.. Rand got knocked back by a gust of wind into Lan. But I don't know if that is one or not.

Hmm...these bubbles really seem like farts in a tub...OMFG! The Dark One is in his tub!...We are all doomed!....ugh..sorry bout that....

 

Anyway it is the DO touching the pattern from what everyone s thinking but still there is no way to be sure of it until the end...I mean it might be something reversible like the Winter or Drought....

[dflinn]

I personally feel as though the clues lie with either Fain, or with Hel(the philosopher). He said something like there are 3 ages. First age, DO is blocked and the world is unaware. Then they unwittingly bore a hole into his prison. 2nd Age would be from that point until it is sealed. 3rd age would be the prison being remade and back to the 1st Age of unawareness.

Something like that, it may be off. But he also said something about how it might not be the Dragon Reborn who does it. It seemed to imply to me that the pattern would fix the prison. If that is the case, then thats why clearing the rubble becomes important. Get the seals out of the way, clear out what Lews Therin and the 100 companions did, so the pattern can fix the bore.

That would leave the DO with the only option of destroying the pattern, since that is his true enemy. Which also seems to be his ultimate goal.

This is where Fain comes in to play. Once the seals are removed and the bore is re-opened they have to contain the DO somehow so the pattern can fix the prison. Fain's evil battling the DO could possibly weaken them both and keep them too busy to spread.

[Skeeve the Great]

I personally feel as though the clues lie with either Fain, or with Hel(the philosopher). He said something like there are 3 ages. First age, DO is blocked and the world is unaware. Then they unwittingly bore a hole into his prison. 2nd Age would be from that point until it is sealed. 3rd age would be the prison being remade and back to the 1st Age of unawareness.

Something like that, it may be off. But he also said something about how it might not be the Dragon Reborn who does it. It seemed to imply to me that the pattern would fix the prison. If that is the case, then thats why clearing the rubble becomes important. Get the seals out of the way, clear out what Lews Therin and the 100 companions did, so the pattern can fix the bore.

That would leave the DO with the only option of destroying the pattern, since that is his true enemy. Which also seems to be his ultimate goal.

This is where Fain comes in to play. Once the seals are removed and the bore is re-opened they have to contain the DO somehow so the pattern can fix the prison. Fain's evil battling the DO could possibly weaken them both and keep them too busy to spread.

 

He was saying about 7 Ages, iirc.

 

And there is another bit of the "Ages come and go...". At some point, people must not know the One Power at all. Presumably in the 1st Age they don't know it. And it ends with discover of the One Power.

 

That could mean, for example, in certain Age the One Power is shielded from everyone.

 

Could it be that the way to defeat DO is to place huge Shield around the world, including the DO? It would depreciate after several Ages, but people would definitely forget about the Power by then. RJ answered in one of the QotW: "Shielding against the One Power will indeed stop someone from reaching for the True Power"

[Sentinel78]

Get the seals out of the way, clear out what Lews Therin and the 100 companions did, so the pattern can fix the bore.

 

The Bore was growing before LTT sealed it in the AoL, with every indication being that it would continue to grow until the DO was freed or the Pattern was destroyed.  This is noted in The Strike at Shayol Ghul supplement.  The Pattern does not appear to be able to self-correct itself to remove the Bore, at least without human intervention.

[Crael123]

the pattern is kinda like a blanket. it cant do anything to help itself as a whole, but the individual threads can prevent it from collapsing. this analogy made pretty good sense to me and i apologize if it doesnt to anybody else  ;)