The Big (Currently) Unoticed Thing In Books 4-6 (Mistborn Spoilers)

[Sharaman]

One possibility with Slayer -the young Isam may actually have been brought up in TAR - keeping him safe from Trollocs. Whatever Luc may have been before he went to the High Passes, he's definitely evil now. His vibes in TSR and his PoV in WH prove that. Interestingly he also knows the family tree - that is, he knows RaT is his nephew, which not too many people do.

Another interesting thing about Slayer - the trollocs follow Isam in battle but Luc displays trolloc and fade heads in TSR, when he's trying to get in thick with the Emond Fielders. Sure, he may have picked up those from beasties killed by Perrin & co. but it makes one wonder if Isam is the trolloc handler while Luc is something different.

Sort of like a dual boot system where the Isam OS handles trollocs and fades while the Luc OS handles human interactions.

Verin knows who he is, explains the Dark Prophesy in TGH, makes snide remarks about his ancestry in TSR but tells nobody as far as we know. 

[Jakobus]

Pardon me if this has been proven wrong, but I've always had the feeling that he was Luc in the real world and Isam in TAR. When Perrin first sees him in TAR Slayer reminds him of Lan. The first account of Luc we have is when he kills Janduin. We've never seen Isam out of TAR to my knowledge... My point is how could Isam be the Trolloc handler if he is only in TAR?

[NetSlider]

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I've been away for couple days so I've missed couple pages of post. Also I'm way too lazy to look up the list of things that are excluded. This being said here's what popped in my head. How much have people actually discussed "the broken crown" in regards to Feil and Bashere and Perrin? The whole thing is being mentioned here and there but we never really know what it's all about. We finally know that Feil is royalty in book 4 and if I'm not mistaken Beshere meet with Perrin in book 6 and while their conversation Beshere says something among the lines "I guess Zarin(sp) told you about the broken crown." What is weird is that Perrin never really asks what it's all about. And if I'm wrong about Bashere mentioning "the broken crown" to Perrin in book 6 I'm 100% sure that someone (some AS I think) tells something about "broken crown" to Perrin (might of been Verin in book 4 right before the battle at the end).

 

Just a thought (among many many others) Smiley

 

Any thought on this and does anyone have some info on "the broken crown"?

[Vulgir]

Pardon me if this has been proven wrong, but I've always had the feeling that he was Luc in the real world and Isam in TAR. When Perrin first sees him in TAR Slayer reminds him of Lan. The first account of Luc we have is when he kills Janduin. We've never seen Isam out of TAR to my knowledge... My point is how could Isam be the Trolloc handler if he is only in TAR?

 

Slayer can Be Luc or Isam in either TAR or the real world.

 

Luc spies on Elayne, Nynaeve and Egwene in Tel'aran'rhiod. They think he looks like Rand's uncle. (WH,Ch10)

 

 

[Mr Ares]

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I've been away for couple days so I've missed couple pages of post. Also I'm way too lazy to look up the list of things that are excluded. This being said here's what popped in my head. How much have people actually discussed "the broken crown" in regards to Feil and Bashere and Perrin? The whole thing is being mentioned here and there but we never really know what it's all about. We finally know that Feil is royalty in book 4 and if I'm not mistaken Beshere meet with Perrin in book 6 and while their conversation Beshere says something among the lines "I guess Zarin(sp) told you about the broken crown." What is weird is that Perrin never really asks what it's all about. And if I'm wrong about Bashere mentioning "the broken crown" to Perrin in book 6 I'm 100% sure that someone (some AS I think) tells something about "broken crown" to Perrin (might of been Verin in book 4 right before the battle at the end).

 

Just a thought (among many many others) Smiley

 

Any thought on this and does anyone have some info on "the broken crown"?

The Broken Crown is the crown of Saldaea. Faile is second in line, after Bashere. It comes up fairly often.

[WolfTwins]

It's something i don't 'like':

1) Silence in The Blight

2) Trolloc attack in the South

I know: in the Emond's Fields it was ISAM ("ISAM!" The guttural roar rose like thunder, and Trollocs appeared....This was the first time the Trollocs had shouted anything understandable.) - he supposed to kill Fain and, i think, to create a secret trolloc base in Two Rivers - and Fain (Ordeith), at Algarin's Manor supposedly Sammael although it could be again Fain - from TSR on he has proved to be able to make myrddrall fear him and obey him - but I have no idea what trollocs were doing on the proximity of Ebou Dar.

[rm1759]

Hey everyone

 

dnt know if this has been mentioned again

 

so sorry if it has been

 

one of min's viewings in LOC says Perrin has to be there for Rand 2 times or something bad will happen.

 

What if After he dies in last battle, he goes to the dream world where perrin saves him just like he had to save Faile.

 

The first time was Dumai's wells.  I assume the second will be Tarmon Gaidon.  I don't think that would qualify for this thing we haven't discussed much...

[Ayrik]

Hi, everyone, Lurker here who finally signed up just because of thie topic! :P

 

I've been thinking about this big unnoticed thing (as I'm sure most of us have) since I first read about it, and have an idea that I was particularly fond of that I promptly forgot about until I say this:

 

 

About the big unnoticed thing, my best bet (as I posted earlier) is Aiel DFs.

 

 

Now, Aiel dark friends would be big, but I think it's something even bigger that runs on the same lines. We know that the Dark One has been prettly heavily recruiting Aes Sedai, but no real mention about male channelers. Given the fact that I believe the Dark One is not stupid (could always be wrong here! :P) I don't think he would overlook the advantage of having a force of male channelers at his disposal for the Last Battle, and I don't believe that he would wait until the Black Tower was founded to start his recruiting...so why haven't we heard anything about these male channelers being recruited? I think we have...sort of.

 

I don't know what book it's first mentioned in (which is the only reason I'm really hesitant about this) but we know that when the Aiel find a male who can channel, he goes off to the Blight to fight against the shadow and die before he can go mad. Not surprisingly, we know nothing of what happens to these channelers once they enter the Blight, because they never come back. We also have the 13 and 13 to turn a channeler to the Shadow, this is WAY too big of a plot device not to be used in a way that will utterly shock and amaze us as readers, and also completely turn the tide in favor of the Shadow when it's revealed.

 

In case someone hasn't figured it out yet, I think the BIG THING is the fact that the male Aiel channelers have been turned to the shadow, and in the Last Battle we will see a host of Aiel Dreadlords pouring out of the Blight to wreak havoc on the forces of Light. However, I'm usually wrong about this sort of thing, but it would be really cool, wouldn't it?  8)

[maradon]

^^ that would be amazing! And I am pretty sure it hasn't been discussed in depth on the forums here or at wotmania.

[somathus]

Pardon me if this has been proven wrong, but I've always had the feeling that he was Luc in the real world and Isam in TAR. When Perrin first sees him in TAR Slayer reminds him of Lan. The first account of Luc we have is when he kills Janduin. We've never seen Isam out of TAR to my knowledge... My point is how could Isam be the Trolloc handler if he is only in TAR?

 

Slayer can Be Luc or Isam in either TAR or the real world.

 

Luc spies on Elayne, Nynaeve and Egwene in Tel'aran'rhiod. They think he looks like Rand's uncle. (WH,Ch10)

 

 

 

I don't have time to look now, but I could have sworn that when Nyn saw him in TAR she thought it was Lan at first glance.

[Vulgir]

She did, he can be who he wants where he wants, Isam or Luc, Isam looks like Lan, Luc looks like Rand.

[Sharaman]

^^ that would be amazing! And I am pretty sure it hasn't been discussed in depth on the forums here or at wotmania.

 

Been discussed but not in detail. Frankly, I don't think it's too likely, due to plot development. It hasn't been "going on" from Book IV; it's been mentioned in passing as Aiel male channelers going off to "Dance with the DO". The only concrete incident, which could have involved an Aiel Saidin channeller is the attack on Mat in LoC - and that's more likely to have been a Chosen, gating in Aiel killers. If a band of Saidin DF Aiel channelers was suddenly introduced, it would be out of the tenth dimension. No prior warning really.

The Aiel DF theme though, has come up several times and it could be introduced without distortion. We know there are Aiel DFs, and there have been few if any Aiel PoVs, apart from Avi. If one of the main Aiel characters is revealed as a DF, we'd be able to relate it to earlier incidents and understand how the build up occurred. RJ's style of plotting usually involves hints before a new revelation.

Of course, no reason why Aiel DFs would actually be the B©UT in IV-VI.

 

 

[Vulgir]

I think your more likly to find a DF Wise One, like perhaps Colinda,  then a male Aiel Channler.

 

[yoniy0]

She did, he can be who he wants where he wants, Isam or Luc, Isam looks like Lan, Luc looks like Rand.

 

Actually, he can only shift between the two when he moves in or out of Tel'aran'rhiod. He doesn't have to, but every time he moves in or out he can choose to become who he wants. I'm pretty sure we have a BS/RJ quote on that. Plus, at one time we see Luc move into TAR and deciding to transform to Isam just because Isam really enjoys hunting wolves.

[Sharaman]

She did, he can be who he wants where he wants, Isam or Luc, Isam looks like Lan, Luc looks like Rand.

 

Actually, he can only shift between the two when he moves in or out of Tel'aran'rhiod. He doesn't have to, but every time he moves in or out he can choose to become who he wants. I'm pretty sure we have a BS/RJ quote on that. Plus, at one time we see Luc move into TAR and deciding to transform to Isam just because Isam really enjoys hunting wolves.

Even if this is true, since he can move between TaR and reality as he chooses, in effect he can shift appearance anytime he wants.

He really has a dual boot OS. 

[yoniy0]

Well, yeah, but it will be more like vanishing and reappearing as someone else. We don't really know how much time those moves take. Plus, to everybody around, it'll just look as if one went away and the other came in his stead (coming to think about this, since they seem to have different personalities to some extent, maybe it'll actually be that way).

[StefanR]

Not entirely sure if it started in 6-8 but Fain goes off about how he sees Rand's face in his dreams, and he wants it to stop and thinks the only way he can do that is by killing Rand

 

Additionally, there was the one time that rand saw Moridin's face and it looked like his

 

Is it pissible that Fain has Rand and Moridin confused and mistakenly wants to kill Rand?

[dflinn]

I certainly didnt read all the pages in this thread. So this may have been hit on before but I will ask anyway. Which book is it that Fain cuts Rand? All along I have looked at Fain as being a gollum type character. The taint that encompassed Shadar Logoth and now embodied in Fain is the evil that scares even the shadowspawn. Of course we all know that basically Flinn sealed off the wound and the two evils are fighting each other. Seemed to me like the start of an idea, toss Fain in the bore with the DO and seal it up. Eventually one evil will win out I guess, but they will certainly keep each other occupied and weakened for a very long time.

[yoniy0]

I certainly didnt read all the pages in this thread. So this may have been hit on before but I will ask anyway. Which book is it that Fain cuts Rand? All along I have looked at Fain as being a gollum type character. The taint that encompassed Shadar Logoth and now embodied in Fain is the evil that scares even the shadowspawn. Of course we all know that basically Flinn sealed off the wound and the two evils are fighting each other. Seemed to me like the start of an idea, toss Fain in the bore with the DO and seal it up. Eventually one evil will win out I guess, but they will certainly keep each other occupied and weakened for a very long time.

 

That was aCoS, book 7.

[GB]

Hey everyone

I didnt know where to put this

 

so am just gnna put in here since its a discussion for book 4-6

 

one of min's viewing concerned perrin and rand and perrin having to be there for rand 2 times to prevent something bad.

 

I was thinking whzat if rand dies and somehow goes to the dream world and perrin has to save his soul from there jst like he did for faile?

 

anyway somebody else may have already posted something similar so my apologies.

[Ashamandragoran]

^^ that would be amazing! And I am pretty sure it hasn't been discussed in depth on the forums here or at wotmania.

 

Been discussed but there is no real proof. Some people even speculated that the messenger Moridin sends to summon Graedal in TGS prologue is an Aiel Dreadlord although there is really no proof of that either.

 

I actually think it is possible. What better way to recruit channelers than to approach individuals who you know for sure can channel and are desperate (suicide mission...)

 

IMO It'd be easier than recruiting female dreadlords

 

 

 

 

[NetSlider]

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I've been away for couple days so I've missed couple pages of post. Also I'm way too lazy to look up the list of things that are excluded. This being said here's what popped in my head. How much have people actually discussed "the broken crown" in regards to Feil and Bashere and Perrin? The whole thing is being mentioned here and there but we never really know what it's all about. We finally know that Feil is royalty in book 4 and if I'm not mistaken Beshere meet with Perrin in book 6 and while their conversation Beshere says something among the lines "I guess Zarin(sp) told you about the broken crown." What is weird is that Perrin never really asks what it's all about. And if I'm wrong about Bashere mentioning "the broken crown" to Perrin in book 6 I'm 100% sure that someone (some AS I think) tells something about "broken crown" to Perrin (might of been Verin in book 4 right before the battle at the end).

 

Just a thought (among many many others) Smiley

 

Any thought on this and does anyone have some info on "the broken crown"?

The Broken Crown is the crown of Saldaea. Faile is second in line, after Bashere. It comes up fairly often.

 

Actually, I have to disagree with this because Faile has older siblings and Saldaea does not have queens only (Tonobia's (sp) was a king before here). The fact the Perrin's marriage to her is significant in some way is an alarm. Also it perfectly fits into the time line BS was talking about. Plus, I'm not sure, but I don't think Saldaea has "a broken crown" as it's ruler's symbol (at least i dont remember anybody referring to it in those terms). It might refer to the fact that the country might have a ruler changed if certain things are met. Anyway, not that i'm clinging to this idea for dear life (after all this is just one of many) but i think this issue needs more scrutiny.

[dflinn]

Her older siblings died. She was next in line and was delegated to paper work duties in order to rule. She rebelled by joining the Hunt for the Horn.

[truck16]

In what book do we find out that fain is immune to the creature in the ways and also he has control over it. Maybe it will loom large later on.

[truck16]

Maybe it is Fain's ability to feel Alanna's bond to rand. Just throwing some stuff out there. I think it was in book 6.