Rand's Rolling Gateways of death

[SinisterDeath]

So um, yea I figured i'd make a thread dedicated to how cool those things were.. Also, did anyone else just love picturing a lot of trolloc parts flying down on some random farmer's house going "What the blood and bloody ashes was that?!"

 

Anywho, Awhile ago someone asked rj in one of his q&a things, about making gateways at angles, and he said it was possible, just no ones figured out the weave.. Well we now know, what he meant. =)

[Luckers]

i always wondered how many people died by those gateways slicing through them to deposit the load of trollocs.

[Guest Majsju]

I would love to see a scene in AMOL where a huge circle opened up a deathgate large enough to deposit 50K trollocs or so at once somewhere. And it would be extra cool if a few warders where standing in the middle fighting, just to all of a sudden look around and see just a huge load of corpses :lol:

[Kaznen]

I think it would be funny if a circle opened a large gateway like three feet apart or something across a valley. That way the trollocs couldn't tell there was a gateway. Then the good guys standing on the other side making faces to get the trollocs to charge. Dead trollocs.

[ilgross]

Of course there arrows would be able to fly through. But wouldn't the gateways also lop off everyones feet?

 

As the sped along?

[Kaznen]

But trollocs don't often use arrows.

[Luckers]

It'd be pretty obvious when the first wave just keeled over on the other side. better the send it moving toward them.

[deathgate]

I think they would make a cool screen name! :mrgreen:

[Luckers]

Pity no one thought of it... ahh, if only a person named deathgate existed... *sigh*

[Jbw]

... I would put on gate above the other to create an infantine loop and then I would drop stuff in it... Like egwane...

[Red States Rule!]

I would assume that most deathgates would open over ocean, as it is most of the Jordan world.

 

Wouldn't it also make sense that eventually someone would deathgate a trolloc and they would appear only five feet away? How about in the intended path of the deathgate itself?

 

Does the opening of the deathgate for trolloc deposit appear vertically or horizontally to have them "just fall to earth"?

 

If it is horizontally, how high up in the atmosphere could this be done?

 

Has anyone else thought of Haplo and the Death Gate cycle every time you read this section of the book?

 

Can Bela make a deathgate?

[Aminalcrakers]

 

Can Bela make a deathgate?

i vehemently affrim, YES Bela can make probably about five times as many deathgates as Rand/LTT can, mostly becaue she is awesome...Have a nice day all...and sorry for the random outburst. Now back to the regularly scheduled Deathgate disscussion.

[9kindsofidiot]

It was my understanding (although I've only read the chapter once) that the deathgates weren't used to transport the trollocs somewhere, but rather as a razor to cut through hundreds of them at a time. I seem to remember them having to burn piles of trolloc pieces. Am I totally off my rocker?

[SinisterDeath]

Well, those were pieces, however other parts of the trollocs, were in fact sent to someplace else.. Was it not rand who said something along the lines in innermonologue about some trolloc parts falling on a farmers house?

[Cam]

how do you know the death gates dont open into the blackness of the skimming world? tehy might open there....

[SinisterDeath]

They could, but what fun would that be?!!?

[Jedimuppet]

I thought the reason Trollocs are marched through ways instead of put through gates is because it kills them. So the gates may transport pieces of Trollocs, or even whole bodies, but it kills them.

 

J

[SinisterDeath]

Yes, but it can be used against people, and the cutting is really the funnest part about it..

[algspkr]

Yes' date=' but it can be used against people, and the cutting is really the funnest part about it..[/quote']

Even those who lived would be useless to the fight.

[Apoc]

Therein lies a pardox of soem sorts.

 

Trollocs die when going through a gate way of OP, but dont when marching along the Machin-Sin inhabiting Ways.

 

BRAINFREEZE :x

[Jeppit Groccin]

trollocs do die when going through the Ways, they just had Padan Fain's protection before.

 

Which reminds me, does anyone know how Fain gained control over Machin Shin anyway?

[loki redfern]

maybe because padin fain has marshar(sp) fog thing and its similar to the machin shin windy thing they could have met at the " randomly arising evil entitys gentalmens club" meetings :twisted:

[Lopar]

I don't think Padin Fain controls Machin Shin per say. If you recall the scene where Fain meets with High Lord Turok he fully expects for Rand to arrive on Toman Head no more than a day or two behind him. This implies he believes Rand will follow through the Ways. Also, why would he expect this if he had set Machin Shin to guard/follow Rand.

 

My personal belief is that Machin Shin tried to consume Fain's soul at the end of The Eye of the World but found something it could not destroy or consume completly. Fain was forged by the Dark One to be his Hound then later possessed by Mordeth in Shadar Logoth. I don't believe he is human at all anymore.

 

So when Machin Shin attempts to consume the soul of this hybrid "super evil" creature it is unsuccessful in its typical fashion. However, part of Fain or what used to be Fain IS left behind. It is this aspect (unbeknownst to Fain himself) which drives the mindless Machin Shin to seek out Rand.

 

Anyway, that is my take on things and sorry for kind of derailing the whole Deathgate topic.

 

Lopar

[Slayer]

I think it says somewhere in the books that the Black Wind met up with Fain, and "embraced him as one of it's own."

[Ashandarei]

just a little earlier it was mentioned that trollocs can't pass through gateways of the one power.... when does it mention that in the books? i may just be missing something, but i can't for the life of me remember anytime it is expressly given that shadowspawn can't pass through gateways... :?: