The Show Has Been Cancelled

[Elder_Haman]

11 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Looks like fans of quality adaptions, writing and television got their wish.

Oh stop pretending to be some high and mighty arbiter of what constitutes “quality”. 

 

12 minutes ago, Mailman said:

I am sorry to the fans of the show for who this has hit hard

No one believes you. 

[fearbrog]

1 hour ago, Elder_Haman said:

I do not believe that he “made Rand as unimpressive as possible”. I quite liked Rand, thought Josha was an amazing actor, and felt that Rand’s arc was very well done. 

Yeah he only removed his swordsmanship and leadership and friendship arcs. Oh and also removed multiple impressive moments.

Very well done is him actually falling for Forsaken's seduction, or spending his confrontation with Amerlin on his knees, or making battle with Ishy about anyone but himself? Oh maybe being stabbed by Mat is great story bit, even better than whatever book tried to show, choices, sacrifices, who cares about that, his friend just fell for a trick, lmao

[Elder_Haman]

1 minute ago, fearbrog said:

Yeah he only removed his swordsmanship and leadership and friendship arcs. Oh and also removed multiple impressive moments.

Very well done is him actually falling for Forsaken's seduction, or spending his confrontation with Amerlin on his knees, or making battle with Ishy about anyone but himself? Oh maybe being stabbed by Mat is great story bit, even better than whatever book tried to show, choices, sacrifices, who cares about that, his friend just fell for a trick, lmao

You didn’t like it. I did. Your opinion is not superior to mine because you restate it in sarcastic, condescending language.

[Mailman]

10 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Oh stop pretending to be some high and mighty arbiter of what constitutes “quality”. 

 

No one believes you. 

Yet you are high and mighty enough to declare the haters as the winners.

 

No you don't believe me. I am sorry for those that are going to lose something they enjoyed, personally I am happy because I did not enjoy the show.

[Elder_Haman]

Just now, Mailman said:

Yet you are high and mighty enough to declare the haters as the winners.

Correct. Because the people who hated the show and wanted it cancelled got what they wanted. They literally campaigned for it. 
 

It is not “high and mighty” to point out the fact that people who hated the show (“haters”, if you will) got what they wanted. 

[Mailman]

5 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Correct. Because the people who hated the show and wanted it cancelled got what they wanted. They literally campaigned for it. 
 

It is not “high and mighty” to point out the fact that people who hated the show (“haters”, if you will) got what they wanted. 

What you are terming hate I call lack of quality.

Fans of the show campaigned for it's continuance.

The show would have continued if there was enough numbers to support it.

 

[BigKofe]

From the first episode it felt like they thought they could tell a better story than Robert Jordan. The timing of shopping the series tells me all I need to know about Raef and Rosamunds agenda. I’m kind of glad to see it go, watching it was too painful 

Edited May 24 by BigKofe

[Elder_Haman]

Just now, Mailman said:

What you are terming hate I call lack of quality.

Do you dispute that there are people in this forum and others who hate the show? Do you dispute that those people got what they wanted?
 

“Methinks thou doth protest too much.”

[fearbrog]

14 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

You didn’t like it. I did. Your opinion is not superior to mine because you restate it in sarcastic, condescending language.

But you claiming show didn't make Rand unimpressive. But is absolutely did. Rafe took away his Caemlyn, his Tarwin's gap, his lessons from Ingtar and Lan, his friendship with Loyal, his Cairhein, his flicker, his battle with Turak, his battle in the sky. Some of those he gave away to different characters. What he got instead? Being tricked by Ishy and seduced by Lanfear. Great showing by main character here.

[Elder_Haman]

Just now, fearbrog said:

But you claiming show didn't make Rand unimpressive. But is absolutely did. Rafe took away his Caemlyn, his Tarwin's gap, his lessons from Ingtar and Lan, his friendship with Loyal, his Cairhein, his flicker, his battle with Turak, his battle in the sky. Some of those he gave away to different characters. What he got instead? Being tricked by Ishy and seduced by Lanfear. Great showing by main character here.

I felt that Rand was well developed from a thematic perspective. I think I understand what the plan was going to be and I appreciated what they were trying to do. 
 

I didn’t feel like he was “unimpressive” and I wasn’t bothered by the absence of the things that you find so important, not bothered by the things you find so awful. 
 

This is what is called a difference of opinion. Having them is okay. I understand your perspective. You don’t need to continue to try to convince me that you’re correct. 

[Mailman]

15 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Do you dispute that there are people in this forum and others who hate the show? Do you dispute that those people got what they wanted?
 

“Methinks thou doth protest too much.”

I am not going to label them. You can do so if you want.

I don't like the show. Personally I am glad that it is over as the sooner it is finished the sooner it might be possible to get something that is better.

I am sorry for those people who enjoyed the show that they lost it.

[Elder_Haman]

Just now, Mailman said:

I am not going to label them. You can do so if you want.

I’m not labeling anyone. They are labeling themselves. 

 

1 minute ago, Mailman said:

I am sorry for those people who enjoyed the show

I don’t believe you. 

 

2 minutes ago, Mailman said:

as the sooner it is finished the sooner it might be possible to get something that is better.

Nonsense.  There’s no reason to believe the IP will get another shot. Who is lining up to do something “better”? Sony is likely to sit on the rights until they lapse. 
 

Nobody is talking about rebooting His Dark Materials or Shadow & Bone or Carnival Row. 
 

6 minutes ago, Mailman said:

I don't like the show.

No way!!

[Mailman]

2 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

I’m not labeling anyone. They are labeling themselves. 

Yes you are.

 

3 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

I don’t believe you. 

 

Nonsense.  There’s no reason to believe the IP will get another shot. Who is lining up to do something “better”? Sony is likely to sit on the rights until they lapse. 
 

Nobody is talking about rebooting His Dark Materials or Shadow & Bone or Carnival Row. 

Believe what you want. I am sorry for those that enjoyed the show and have lost it. My personal dislike of the show does not affect my ability to sympathise for others.

 

It may never get rebooted, it may take years or decades at least now that timer can be started.

[Elder_Haman]

Just now, Mailman said:

8 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

 

Yes you are.

Person: “I hate this show. I hope it gets canceled.”

 

Me: “The hater got what he wanted.”

 

You: “Why are you labeling him a hater?”

 

If a person - from their own mouth - says they hate something, they have labeled themselves. 

[Mailman]

11 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Person: “I hate this show. I hope it gets canceled.”

 

Me: “The hater got what he wanted.”

 

You: “Why are you labeling him a hater?”

 

If a person - from their own mouth - says they hate something, they have labeled themselves. 

You opened the thread with hater and you are claiming that you are not labelling people.

LOL

[Elder_Haman]

Just now, Mailman said:

You opened the thread with hater and you are claiming that you are not labelling people.

LOL

I made a self-evidently true statement: people who hate the show got what they wanted. 
 

Why are you taking it so personally?

[Mailman]

1 minute ago, Elder_Haman said:

I made a self-evidently true statement: people who hate the show got what they wanted. 
 

Why are you taking it so personally?

Ah so you were using hater as a positive or neutral term? 

 

I take exception because you deliberately used the term negatively to encapsulate the entire viewership that did not like the show. As you have done repeatedly before.

 

You used the label.

 

I will not be further discussing this issue.

 

 

[fearbrog]

14 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

I felt that Rand was well developed from a thematic perspective. I think I understand what the plan was going to be and I appreciated what they were trying to do. 

Is that thematic perspective is growth, right? Funny how Egg wasn't restricted like he was. She was best healer in the world, and broke out from the situation only true power in the book could help with.

You know book also had growth as a theme? Whole journey with Loyal and Hurin helped him grow as a leader, not in the show. 

26 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

I didn’t feel like he was “unimpressive” and I wasn’t bothered by the absence of the things that you find so important

He was absolutely overshadowed by Moiraine, Egg and Nyn. They did things he should have did.

38 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

This is what is called a difference of opinion. Having them is okay. I understand your perspective. You don’t need to continue to try to convince me that you’re correct. 

I am not trying to convince you, I'm trying show it's not haters fault show cancelled. It's absolutely on Rafe, he thought he's better than Jordan by inventing some "theme" what wasn't in the book, by burying main character to make his favorite more important. He should have written a book or a WoT fanfiction to scratch his creative itch, instead of spending multiple millions to try to tell his story instead of Jordan's.

[Elder_Haman]

3 minutes ago, fearbrog said:

I'm trying show it's not haters fault show cancelled.

Who ever said it was?

[notpropaganda73]

Pretty disappointing to see tired old arguments about woke-ism and Rafe’s sinister motivations in here. You can just dislike the show without descending into petty point scoring or revelling in the show being cancelled.

 

I thought they had definitely found their footing and had really begun to focus properly on Rand’s story in S3. There are lessons in these 3 seasons for people looking at adaptations. Choices were made to sustain a vasts world across at least 8 seasons (per Rafe’s quotes about the absolutely minimum time needed to tell the story). However in hindsight, I think you would move things around a bit. Keep the world and story focussed and tight in S1, and expand things out bit by bit. I think they should have focussed on the EF5 almost exclusively in S1 with Moiraine’s leadership, and bring in the Tower politics and Warder bonds in S2. Abandon the Dragon “mystery” and let the EF5 breathe and develop on their own. The EF5 too often felt sidelined to me in that first season. I think it’s right to spread the focus, but maybe they did it too soon?
 

On the flipside of this, I rewatched S1 recently and in my view it actually holds up quite well until they go to the Blight and the COVID impacted episodes occur. Even then, Rand and Ishy at the Eye, with the possible futures, was the best part of the finale. But I just felt the show was hampered by some of its own decisions really. 
 

I’m sad it’s cancelled. I think they casting wad excellent and I suppose we’ll always have Rhuidean

Edited May 24 by notpropaganda73

[fearbrog]

4 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

Rafe’s sinister motivations in here

Took away Rand moments and gave em to Egwene and Moiraine

[notpropaganda73]

1 minute ago, fearbrog said:

Took away Rand moments and gave em to Egwene and Moiraine

I’m happy for you that you’re so energised to go on and on about it, but I don’t have the energy to repeat what I’ve said on these pages since S1. so if you’re interested go through my post history but otherwise let’s leave our interactions on this point there

[Babbus]

10 hours ago, Elder_Haman said:

There is absolutely no evidence supporting this statement. 
 

The issue was money. That’s it. 

Oh. Ever learn of the invisible hand? Where money is in a capitalist society kinda means exactly what the broader human society values.

[Babbus]

3 hours ago, Elder_Haman said:

I made a self-evidently true statement: people who hate the show got what they wanted. 
 

Why are you taking it so personally?

This elder haman guy is as insufferable as the ten thousandth time I read insufferable in the books

[Mirefox]

9 hours ago, Elder_Haman said:

I don’t understand the need to hate on people or exult in others’ failures. It’s a very petty mindset. 

And this kind of stunted reading comprehension is why we live in a world today where every other person lives in a state of constant self-perceived victimhood and believes everything they see or hear is some kind of attack on them.

 

Did I say I hate Rafe Judkins?  I hated the product and I and many, many others clearly saw this as a work that didn’t understand the source material and at times didn’t even seem to know it beyond a Cliff’s Notes outline.

 

The fact that we can’t call out a guy for saying “I love the book, and here’s everything I’m changing to better fit the way I think it should be” without white knights flying to his rescue and saying “why hate people?” shows such a lack of critical thinking.