90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Ithillian Turambar]

On 4/24/2025 at 8:06 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

This worries me. This seems like a huge misrep, but if it is why has no one else commented? Yes, from a Dice life expectancy pov, it is delaying the inevitable, but from a mafia team pov, it keeps a PR on the game for potentially at least two nights. It fishes for the cop - take for instance if I was the cop experiencing my first ever false claim with two minutes to make a decision, or indeed a whole day with no one to talk to about it? It kills a townie, it invalidates any town peeks the real cop gets so long as the GF is out there... It doesn't buy me much seems like such an understatement, not even counting all this WIFOM. 

 

It worries me as I'm getting town vibes off Dice, which in itself is slightly worrying as town Dice underpressure is not this polite in my experience. 

 

Hate it. I feel Dice is town, but I don't think he is acting it. FML. 

 

Once again I forgot to put a space.

Was looking for the other thing, but here is Heavy saying he feels Dice is Town but is not acting like Town.

 

On 4/24/2025 at 8:13 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Also don't like the tig-dice-DPR dynamic. At EoD, Dice and DPR were trolling Rand something awful, then next day DPR pops up with Dice is definitely mafia. 

 

Tig also drops everything (in - game) to state how incredibly wolfy Rand is, yet now is arguing about WIFOM, bpv, PRs and absolutely nothing of content to make it seem like her and DPR are definitely not singing from the same hymnsheet. 

 

If only Rand didn't give such a bad vibe off with his obsession with Dice. 

 

But the thread stinks. I would be hugely surprised if the wolves are slanking it this time. Definitely feels like they are active, and after whatever happened last night, probably aren't that happy either. 

 

Here you don't like Tigs, Dice and DPR and Rand

 

On 4/24/2025 at 12:12 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Ithi and DPR were one and two on Marsh. I'm no Wagonomics expert but when Shad solved the Citrus Bandits game from reading the D1 VC, two wolves were one and two on the train of the miselimination.

 

Ithi is giving DPR town cred here with as far as I can see zero reasoning. A softly softly approach to maybe the whole cop claim thing is tricky but I'm not WIFOMing. So essentially, a carefully crafted post that says nothing but gives DPR (and Nyn) town cred, I guess to not go over the top. 

 

Could someone, I mean anyone, please act like they were town? Even if you were only pretending it would make such a change. I h8 this game. 

 

Ithi, can I ask you why you think DPR is town positive despite misrepping Marsh and jumping on his "slip" that was not a slip, it was just a bit clumsy? Should players be allowed to get away with misrepping what a town player says and then eliminating them on the basis of that misrep? Curious to hear your thoughts. 

 

Here you ask people to act like they are Town. I have questions about this later. Once again saying that DPR not believing Marsh meant that it is misrepping.

 

On 4/24/2025 at 12:29 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

What even was that slip anyways? Do you know what it was? What was the mis rep? Do you think DPR is Mafia? If so, why not vote for him yourself instead of encouraging others to vote for him.

 

I was just seeing DPR agree with me that a sudden defense of someone I'd voted was not normal behaviour. And Marsh even said he did that to see what would happen. But I thought he only said he planned it because I was voting him and then other people were voting him and he'd got backed up in a corner. So I'm like good, I'm not the only person who thought that was super suss.

 

I was wrong though.

 

I dunno, I just think that if DPR was mafia he'd be doing more than telling us to think for ourselves and re-read certain things.

 

I'm pretty sure a Mafia would want people to do more than 'form their own opinions' and he seems genuinely frustrated that they can't see something that's super obvious to him?

 

I think Mafia DPR would have just told us what was so important because then it would have helped the Mafia team for us to know.

 

I see you also being very neutral about everything and wanting players opinions on other players. 

 

Why don't you tell me your thoughts now on DPR?

 

Here is me trying to explain why i think DPR is probably Town. I think the actions hes doing in the game are Town centric and aiming to solve who the Mafia are.

 

On 4/24/2025 at 12:36 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I think he is the definition of a wolf. His actions are as clear as definite mafia as I think I'll ever get. Have been from D1. 

 

What is bugging me is I cannot tie his actions into the bigger picture. I only voted for DPR D1, so far I doubt I'll vote for someone else. But not having an inkling of that bigger picture leaves me with doubts. 

 

 

Now this is what I took from this post. You said he is the definition of a wolf. And you also do say his actions are as clear as definite mafia.

 

But then you say that you can't tie his actions into the bigger picture.

 

And so i thought this meant you couldnt see any definite actions that he had made that were Mafia centric.

 

im sorry but wouldn't helping to Lynch Marsh be pretty Mafia centric. The bigger picture for Mafia is GET TOWN LYNCHED.

 

and then you hedge your bets by saying actually you have doubts.

 

So, i thought maybe you were coming out of your Tunnel, because even in your own logic you"d not been able able to show anything that DPR had done - apart from being on the Marsh lynch - that could be part of the Mafia bigger picture.

 

so you are right, and im sorry, you never actually said the words about DPRs actions not being mafia. Bit this post gave me the impression that you were condsidering it.

 

 

 

On 4/24/2025 at 12:49 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Ow, that misrep hurts, Ithi. You asked what was my opinion of DPR. I answered. 

 

The reasons for my opinion are: He is full of anti-town rhetoric. You guys suck so bad. I've never seen so much dumbass. You know who else had that? Wolf!Lenlo. Exactly the same tone. Exactly. Can taste it at the back of my throat. 

 

Especially D1, he was dismissive of everyone, not just wolf reads. One word disparaging replies, Omg, lol,etc. Jokey memes in reply to people trying to solve. 

 

He misrepped Marsh and pushed for his elimination despite being called up on his "mistake". 

 

All the vitriol with Verb and Rand and Ed - does not feel even close to town for me. 

 

But yup, he is just a wolfy wolf. I got nothing more than that. 

 

Here you say DPR must be mafia cos he is a meanie head.

 

On 4/24/2025 at 12:57 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Yay I got a mis rep.

 

If you think he is just being mean then just call him out. Don't go asking other people what they think of him. 

 

I don't like the name calling so I tell him.

 

Len was a bit hard in that game but he apologised and said he'd come in with a different site attitude and once he'd set the tone he couldn't really change it cos he was mafia.

 

Wow. Reminds me of other chats we've had.

 

So, just because you don't like how someone plays, that doesn't mean they are a bad guy. You've got to learn and look at what they actually do, and how that affects the game.

 

And apparently all this is quite tame compared to other sites anyways.

 

hey here is me even earlier saying that you cant take what someone says as indication of their aligment. You actually do have to look at the actions they take and how they affect the game.

 

On 4/24/2025 at 1:02 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'm not sure who it was, but someone once told me I should not let others dictate to me how to play. DPR's tone and actions are mafia through and through. Maybe I'm wrong, true. But I got to trust myself or what is the point of playing, to let you have two votes? 

 

And yeah here you are back on DPR saying actually no doubt and full on mafia through and through.

 

So yeah hands up. You didn't say that. But I'd got a false impression that maybe because you said you couldn't see how his actions would tie in with the bigger picture. And I read that as the Mafias bigger picture, because you thought he was Mafia. So was hopeful you'd stop tunnelling.

 

So in these few quotes you were sussing Dice, Tigs, Rand, DPR and me. Dice and Rand had been having their back and forth cos Rand was very suss of Dice cop claim.

 

Tigs had been sussed by me and I think Nyn? Fwiw I am with you on Tigs.

 

Can you please tell me what things DPR has done that you feel are Mafia centric actions? Even if you can't tie them to the 'big picture'

 

I will let you include the 'Marsh lie' but maybe a few more actual actions. Because you say ALL his actions so you must have more.

 

Do you think DPRs claim to be the Town Hider is true?

 

 

[Zander?]

On 4/24/2025 at 4:13 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Also don't like the tig-dice-DPR dynamic. At EoD, Dice and DPR were trolling Rand something awful, then next day DPR pops up with Dice is definitely mafia. 

 

Tig also drops everything (in - game) to state how incredibly wolfy Rand is, yet now is arguing about WIFOM, bpv, PRs and absolutely nothing of content to make it seem like her and DPR are definitely not singing from the same hymnsheet. 

 

If only Rand didn't give such a bad vibe off with his obsession with Dice. 

 

But the thread stinks. I would be hugely surprised if the wolves are slanking it this time. Definitely feels like they are active, and after whatever happened last night, probably aren't that happy either. 

 

This is one of those times, assuming ofc Dice and DPR are both telling the truth where if Heavys a Wolf....Tig has some equity IMHO 

[Ithillian Turambar]

55 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Trouble is once mafia got their tell on Rand

What tell on Rand?

[dicetosser1]

3 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

 

Hey my name is Zander and I too would like to share with our group therapist and the rest of the group the extreme trauma I suffered last game....see....I was the only Villager....and all around me....I mean literally ALL AROUND ME..... every single person....and normally you'd have a couple people you could trust here....but not the case.... literally every single SOAB around me was a filthy evil Wolf!!!!!!!!

and you still voted wrong…..

 

🤣

[Zander?]

GOOD GOD I CAN'T EVEN TRY YO READ THAT MONSTROSITY WoT post. ..just glancing at it scrolling nearly caused my head to implode!!!!!!  LOLOLOLOLOL 

[Zander?]

Just now, dicetosser1 said:

and you still voted wrong…..

 

🤣

 

Nope I voted a Wolf....like I also did the 2 prior days as well. I just had Gud having more 3rd party equity and you making more sense with those on your individual Wolf team. And to be fair Day 1 I "kinda" did too IMHO LOLOLOLOL 

[DPR]

On 4/23/2025 at 1:41 PM, Darthe said:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

PAFO 🙂 

 

Yesss it’s a mystery how one could simultaneously completely misunderstand a role, and also craft a game around every ability having a way to fail so that no one can be 100% confident in their might actions.  

Absolutely, however I’ll only count the latest one.

 

On 4/23/2025 at 4:01 PM, DPR said:

is the Condemner trying to get their target lynched or just “hunting” them? There as a whole discussion yesterday - I gotta look back, but no time now 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 4:02 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The condemner randomly picks someone as a night action, no need to lynch. 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 4:06 PM, DPR said:

Alrighty then. 
 

And you know this how? 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 4:09 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Because Stone Cold says so. Or Darthe, I forget which. 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 5:32 PM, Darthe said:

Ah, yeah I did cover this one yesterday but it wasn’t the most clear.

 

basically, they’re an SK but their bullet only works on one target who was randomly selected from all players (except themselves) at the start of the game.

 

On 4/22/2025 at 9:14 AM, DPR said:

@Turin Turambar Walk me through your *3 Town deaths tonight scenario*
 

We have a Condemner, who would have been pushing a lynch on their target, but Marsh wasn’t it or else the Condemner would be removed from the game, as per the setup explanations. I guess it’s possible that could be announced at daybreak, but it seems like it would have been announced. 
 

@Verbal32 is currently my top pick for Condemner. Antagonistic Verbal is a bad Verbal. Also, dice is playing a very different game compared to last. 
 

I strongly disagree with the idea of a real Cop cc’ing - not this early and with so little info. 
 

@RandA lThor is a strong candidate for GF. He slanked until deadline and then was all over the scene. I see a world where the COPlin remarks were rolefishing in this scenario and it looked like it at the time. 
 

@ed2funy hasn’t contributed anything useful, but has offered multiple excuses as to why. All ‘tude and no payoff. 
 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade is a ? to me atm, but the movement toward the end of day makes me wonder if he’s just a confused townie. Weird play though, so we’ll see. 
 

Mislynching a townie on d1 is nothing new. We’ll survive. 
 

The interesting parts to me were all of the moves made in the last hour or so. 
 

I have no problem with dice waiting to 

reveal - that just makes sense because there were active people on his train that he knew could unvote. 
 

 

 

 

On 4/22/2025 at 9:36 AM, Turin Turambar said:

Because I misunderstood the condemner role. I just read it on the wiki.  I thought it was like a vig/hit man kinda thing based on things I thought Darthe said. I didn't realise they had to lynch a player. That's what I get for being so sure about something to not check.

I thought that the Condemner could kill their target since they became a SK. The mafia will kill someone.most likely. The hider could unfortunately hide behind a killed player. That would be 3. However, I was epically wrong.

 

 

I'll just go sit in the corner for now.  

 

On 4/22/2025 at 6:23 PM, Turin Turambar said:

OK.  Hi. I asked Darthe some questions and he gave me answers, finally ( I know you're busy Darthe, I'm just needy)

 

Turn your heads because there be setup/mechanics talk here.

 

The condemner is actually I guess a Hunter. They are looking to kill their target at night. They target a person at night and if that person is their target, that person dies. If not then nothing happens. At least unless they become a SK.

They only know the targets character name so character claiming might be a bad idea.

 

The Hider will not die if they try to hide behind mafia, so that is not a way to try to check alignments. 

 

Those are the two big things that were not clear ( at least to me) from the OP rules and setup information. 

 

I was confused so I asked. The kind mod gave answers. 

 

I think this makes me look a little differently at the people that didn't do very much on D1. Someone's game is mostly staying alive to take pot shots at night.

 

On 4/22/2025 at 6:29 PM, DPR said:

I thought the Condemner had to get their target lynched? As in, they already know who the target is.  Did Darthe modify the role? 

 

On 4/22/2025 at 6:39 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Apparently.  Even as mod Darthe gonna Darthe.

 

You can ask him. Maybe he will tell you something  different.  I never know with Darthe. 

Here’s everything I could find in regard to discussions involving the Condemner role. 
 

They’re not in order but the timestamps are there. 
 

Looks like Heavy was the first to use the word “random”, later confirmed by Darthe. 
 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade how’d you know the target was random? 

[Zander?]

On 4/20/2025 at 4:55 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

I'm seeing things again

 

@Nynaeve what was this in reference to about the VC?!?!

[dicetosser1]

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Nope I voted a Wolf....like I also did the 2 prior days as well. I just had Gud having more 3rd party equity and you making more sense with those on your individual Wolf team. And to be fair Day 1 I "kinda" did too IMHO LOLOLOLOL 

Like I said…. Wrong lol

[Zander?]

1 minute ago, DPR said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here’s everything I could find in regard to discussions involving the Condemner role. 
 

They’re not in order but the timestamps are there. 
 

Looks like Heavy was the first to use the word “random”, later confirmed by Darthe. 
 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade how’d you know the target was random? 

 

It says in the OP LOLOLOLOLOL 

[Zander?]

1 minute ago, dicetosser1 said:

Like I said…. Wrong lol

 

Nope I most definitely hannered a Wolf lololololol

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

5 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

What tell on Rand?

As in Ed fished, Rand was the one that stubbornly refused to accept the claim. Obviously the wolves thought it was enough to merit an NK and they were right. Once they had that, standing out like a sore thumb trying to protect Ed when he would get eliminated without mafia help anyway would be dumb, could easily be argued. 

[Zander?]

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

Here’s everything I could find in regard to discussions involving the Condemner role. 
 

They’re not in order but the timestamps are there. 
 

Looks like Heavy was the first to use the word “random”, later confirmed by Darthe. 
 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade how’d you know the target was random? 

 

 

"The condemner in this game is targeting a player with a night kill that is only successful on a specific character who was randomly pre-selected at the start of the game. If the condemner eliminates their target, they will be removed from the game and the game will continue. If the condemner's target is killed by any other means they will lose their 1x bpv and become a serial killer with a nightly kill"

[Ithillian Turambar]

1 hour ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Bah thought I had lost that post, not double posted. Sorry. 

 

Anyway my WiM is gone. Zander has a hard on for me despite having nothing to back it up. I'm inactive when I'm not. I sound different with explaining at all how or why those differences would be AI. 

 

Tigs wtl me because I didn't run around after Zander. 

 

Ithi is using the most awful arguments - I have no thoughts so I've been sheeping Marsh's thoughts all game. I'm trying to hide things I'm discussing. 

 

And every single one of my reads is garbage as DPR was actually trolling everyone in the thread in a gambit that without his claim would have gotten him eliminated after only one night action. Which obviously really backs up the really skilled wordsmith tirelessly working for town picture that Ithi is painting. So nearly a full week of my time, huge amount of stress and worry was all made completely irrelevant because of the actions of *checks notes* oh, yeah, someone on my team.

 

And what the fluff was on p. 32? Another reason that DPR is definitely town, mafia would have told us, whose argument was that? 

 

Humbug, I say, humbug. 

 

Why do you do this when you get some pressure? You did it Day 1 too, I think. First of all a bit of fight then this sad woe is me acceptance and flatlining.

 

Cheese louise Heavy, if you are Town, which I doubt, fight for Town. 

 

Also almost missed the bit at the end where you seem to say that you now think DPR is Town?

 

Was he your only prospect? There are 2 Mafia left and a 3rd party.

 

[DPR]

6 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

It says in the OP LOLOLOLOLOL 

It does now because Darthe edited it as per his comments that it was confusing. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here’s everything I could find in regard to discussions involving the Condemner role. 
 

They’re not in order but the timestamps are there. 
 

Looks like Heavy was the first to use the word “random”, later confirmed by Darthe. 
 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade how’d you know the target was random? 

Bangs head on table. 

 

What? You mean where I say they randomly pick a target? Because they are looking for a character but they have no idea which player is which so they can only randomly pick people and hope? That is where I'm using TMI? 

 

I suppose also if they know the real name of the character they should be able to work out if it is a good guy (lie Sean Connery) or a bad guy (like the Terminator),as in not just knowing the callsign from the story or something. 

 

Or am I again showing TMI? 

 

Seriously this is what you have been going on about the whole time? Words fail me. I'll bite back on the snark but seriously dude. 

[Zander?]

On 4/20/2025 at 5:14 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Just blame Zander.  It's really usually his fault,  lolololololol. 

 

Wolfy AF Turin prolly subbed because he knew I'd saw this he'd be outted Wolf!!!!!

 

 

Lololololo

[Zander?]

1 minute ago, DPR said:

It does now because Darthe edited it as per his comments that it was confusing. 

 

Oh it wasn't there before??!?!!

[DPR]

7 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

 

"The condemner in this game is targeting a player with a night kill that is only successful on a specific character who was randomly pre-selected at the start of the game. If the condemner eliminates their target, they will be removed from the game and the game will continue. If the condemner's target is killed by any other means they will lose their 1x bpv and become a serial killer with a nightly kill"

This was edited by Darthe to clear up confusion - he’ll have to confirm when. 
 

When the game started, all we had was the role name “Condemner” which is completely different than the version above, hence the discussions about the Condemner having to get a player lynched. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Official Vote Count

 

Not Voting
Ithi, Dice, Marsh2, Nyn, DPR, Verb, Zander, Key, Tig, Heavy

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Countodwn to EOD

[DPR]

2 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Bangs head on table. 

 

What? You mean where I say they randomly pick a target? Because they are looking for a character but they have no idea which player is which so they can only randomly pick people and hope? That is where I'm using TMI? 

 

I suppose also if they know the real name of the character they should be able to work out if it is a good guy (lie Sean Connery) or a bad guy (like the Terminator),as in not just knowing the callsign from the story or something. 

 

Or am I again showing TMI? 

 

Seriously this is what you have been going on about the whole time? Words fail me. I'll bite back on the snark but seriously dude. 

You gave info nobody else had at that point 🤷‍♂️

[DPR]

3 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Oh it wasn't there before??!?!!

Correct - mod can confirm

[Ithillian Turambar]

9 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

As in Ed fished, Rand was the one that stubbornly refused to accept the claim. Obviously the wolves thought it was enough to merit an NK and they were right. Once they had that, standing out like a sore thumb trying to protect Ed when he would get eliminated without mafia help anyway would be dumb, could easily be argued. 

 

I thought he was just chucking a mental because everyone that had got up to a Lynch had claimed a role lol. I honestly thought he was gonna explode when he was yelling at me.

[Zander?]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

You gave info nobody else had at that point 🤷‍♂️

 

Well to me then if EVERYONE is sure it didn't say random before Heavy made the post then it's a slip.  I assume you quoted that Heavy Post?

[Zander?]

On 4/23/2025 at 5:02 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The condemner randomly picks someone as a night action, no need to lynch. 

 

Ya this is weird.  Reads weird too.  What was Heavys response to you calling him on it @DPR