90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Verbal32]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

I called him out at first for soft-defending Heavy, which he later admitted to having done. He did it to set a trap for Turin and Ithi, but caught Key instead. 
 

It’s been my experience that people who set traps on d1 are usually doing it to “prove how towny they are” and not to actually catch scum.

 

By sporadic, I mean he shows up to post when he has an agenda to push a point or defend - not because he’s active and trying to solve slots. 

 

Ok on the first part.

 

Hard disagree on the second part, and for somebody who plays with the JN peeps (who try to pull that stuff all the time), I'm surprised that's a scumtell for you.

 

Third one makes no sense to me.  How are you able to tell over Easter weekend what is sporadic due to intent vs. sporadic due to life?

 

 

Dunno man, I rarely see this WIM in scum - especially on D1 when they could have coasted (what we like to sometimes call "doing a Verbal", heh).

[Ironeyes]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

I called him out at first for soft-defending Heavy, which he later admitted to having done. He did it to set a trap for Turin and Ithi, but caught Key instead. 
 

It’s been my experience that people who set traps on d1 are usually doing it to “prove how towny they are” and not to actually catch scum.

 

By sporadic, I mean he shows up to post when he has an agenda to push a point or defend - not because he’s active and trying to solve slots. 

How did I set a trap for Ithi and Turin? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely confused at this idea. 

 

But that sporadic bit is BS. I've been under the gun since like page 7 and in a reactive mode trying to answer all the questions and defend my positions in the limited time I had during the biggest holiday on the Christian calendar. 

[DPR]

4 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

Plan? You're gonna have to explain me to myself there. The tone, sure. I deserve that one. And I could blame Easter for being sporadic but that won't change anything.

Check this out: 

 

1 hour ago, Ironeyes said:

Here's the TL;DR

Heavy is scum. In an effort to be nice to what I thought was someone playing his first game, I made Ithi and Turin think I was defending him. Key took that opening and used it to push suspicion onto me while simultaneously defending Heavy in a more subtle way. They're teammates trying to make sure I go down next after Heavy flips scum. 

 

And then… 

 

1 hour ago, Ironeyes said:

 The timeline: First, people make jokes and vote each other, fun stuff. Heavy seems confused by our lack of reasoning to vote, joke votes are explained. This is the first emotionally charged post he makes. DPR, Ithi, and Ed immediately sus him for it, and right after that I say it doesn't seem alignment indicative. These posts are all back to back btw. 

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Then after that, Heavy has the first thing that I'd call overreaction. 

Ok, he's starting to ping. Sure. I have to point out though that this is AFTER my "defense" of Heavy that Key is on about (see the end of this post). And I say as much: 

But I'm still trying to be nice because I'm under the impression the guy is new to Mafia. Here's that exchange: 

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Dice comes in, drops what looks like a joke vote on Heavy, then post-facto converts it into a real vote. 

 

Ithi then starts the Marsh train. Her reasoning is that I'm defending heavy, which makes me either defending a teammate or white knighting a confused townie. Uses my unvote on Dice as a flawed part of the reasoning. Weird reason to vote me rather than Heavy, who she sussed in the same post, but Ithi is still on level footing reasons wise. It's not motivated reasoning. But what this does is give an opening. 

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Nyn shows up, catches up, displays what even I remember is town!Nyn energy. 

Heavy calms down. 

At this point, Turin shows up, susses me and Dice for Dice knowing I'm almost a lawyer (?) and tries to give Heavy an out for language barrier. Subtle defense. And of course defending Heavy is sus, is it not? 

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Here's Key's first significant contribution to the game. It begins by laying groundwork to sus me. Essentially, because in my first post about Heavy I didn't think his actions were alignment indicative, I'm defending him. But in the same post Key calls him new town. This is subtle defense by way of deflecting onto the available scapegoat, Ironeyes, who was freshly called out by Ithi, Nyn, and Turin.

Then the next post: Yet more "you didn't include other people, hence sus." More subtle defense of Heavy as well: He might be town who got emotional because he doesn't want to die. 

Then look at this, she says Heavy is making pro town moves! And she's out for IRL stuff. 

Key shows up, defends Heavy in every post she makes before having to leave again, and then makes a big deal out of me "defending" him based on a post I made before he did most of the suspicious stuff. 

Hello Mrs. Key-ttle, I'm Mr. Pot. 

 

This is Page 10, but it's the biggest part of my point so I'm gonna be less detailed now. 

 

This is why I said you’ve been planning and not playing. You’re trying to bend the game to fit your narrative - nothing see it for what it is. 

[Ironeyes]

4 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I don't like Marsh's reasoning. Admittedly I'm biased - but even ignoring he is pushing me... But I get the feeling he is honest. 

 

He is so certain from my first few posts that I'm mafia that he concocts a trap and risks appearing wolfy to everyone (see Ithi's vote) to catch more wolves. He then elaborately paints Key as a fellow wolf and then predicts people will only be eliminating us three over the coming days. But if he was a wolf, he would know I'm not and all this farfetched theorising would be pointless. And risking being eliminated and flipping wolf himself would equally undermine it all. So if he really means all this, he has to be town. Otherwise it is all just fluff to miseliminate me which seems a bit of overkill at this point. 

Maybe wait a little longer before stealing another player's reasoning? It's not subtle enough this way. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

26 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

What troubles me most about him right now is how he has gone right to conceding his lynch as inevitable when he isn't even the leader at this point. That despite making claims of mafia on his train, he isn't trying to make a real case.  Not even voting anyone presently. 

I'm not resigned, but I accept it as a real possibility. Which does make suspicious of the person that gets the ball rolling, but there you go.

 

I don't see how I can make a "Heavy is town" case. But I can try and make my flip as worthwhile as possible, and I can point out weaknesses in other people's arguments. I would be voting DPR but I'm not completely sold yet, but to me there is something off with his posting. But with lots of people so it cannot all be a W/W love in. 

[Verbal32]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'm not resigned, but I accept it as a real possibility. Which does make suspicious of the person that gets the ball rolling, but there you go.

 

I don't see how I can make a "Heavy is town" case. But I can try and make my flip as worthwhile as possible, and I can point out weaknesses in other people's arguments. I would be voting DPR but I'm not completely sold yet, but to me there is something off with his posting. But with lots of people so it cannot all be a W/W love in. 

 

See, now you make me think I'm seeing things that aren't there with DPR and that you might be looking for escape routes to push.

 

FML.

[keyholder21]

Going to spoiler some of these big posts.

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10 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

Nuns entrance doing something normal and expected.  Vote is wrong

 

just sounds like relaxed nyn

 

he snarl starts a little

something I know was true

 

a nyn response to the fake vote crack I threw at her that is good in tone

 

rest

is still easy and relaxed

and here comes the real snark

that’s just nyn.  
 

Told you it’s all tone and. Gut read.  You feel like town nyn really strongly to me

 

 

Bold, okay, tone and gut read. I don't remember you spending time explaining gut and tone reads before?  Saying it, yes, but going into extra explanation? This is sketch. Especially with little to no explanation on anyone else.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

I hate making lists.  Feels like work.

 

Town end

 

Nynaeve - asking good questions and being very natural and interactive. Is really looking into details

 

keyholder21 - also doing lots of good poking about. Not afraid to admit mistakes. Nice natural tone and flow. A lot better at quotes than I'll ever be.

 

Turin Turambar - less involved. Not being super helpful. Not afraid to get into things. These are signs of Town Turin for me.

 

Null section

 

DPR - never trust a Pirate but also do not shoot a pirate in the face on day 1. I get mostly good vibes from his enigmatic posts. Happy to provide a list.

 

Verbal32 - Weekend at Verbals.

 

Lenlo - no activity as yet. Darthe is probably having a moment about this.

 

ed2funy - lots of reactions. Not a lot of substance yet.

 

RandA lThor - did make a random vote on Nyn but might have just felt left out cos he was late. Not much else apart from that.

 

dicetosser1 - always angry. I don't like it. Weird beef with Turin. The atmosphere makes me uncomfortable.  Probs doesn't actually think Turin is Mafia though or he'd be on him like shot. Especially with his vote on Heavy being just a Lol vote.

 

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As an aside though, I'm not sure why you so cross with him. The only interactions you've had here are in Mafia games and you are experienced enough to let that go? 

 

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Tigraine - just the absolute most purest fly by 'I'll read up and post later honest' post ever. It was only 6 pages in at that point and we never got a sequel.

 

HeavyHalfMoonBlade - I still stand by that overly crafted posts that say nothing, are an attempt to actively say nothing. I think this might be Heavy's first rand as mafia and he had a bit of a moment. Also I'm not sure he gets to tell us when he's doing things that are alignment indicative or not. I think we make that decision. Massive change in post style, despite saying that he was only posting how he naturally posts to start with.

 

Ironeyes - probably gonna be a defence lawyer. Popped up and completely defended Heavy. Says he was worried about LEADING a Lynch on Heavy when I was the first to vote Heavy and Dice was second. Now is doing the 'oh but I'm always scummy as Town' and the 'resigned to my fate' nonchalant follow ups. 

 

 

Also omg I just went back and  double counted and still couldnt figure out why I only had 12 people when there are 13 people playing 😆

 

 

Bold - *preens* lol. It's because I do them on desktop.  I hate doing multiquotes on my phone.  I hate typing anything big on my phone.  I don't understand how students write their essays on their phones nowadays. [insert joke about being old here.]

 

Italics - I don't get how these make him look town to you? I feel like they are doing the opposite to me.  Yes there were issues last game, but he was also WAY involved and definitely posted helpful things. I do agree that not being afraid to get into things is a good look though. 

 

8 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Hey look at me and my nested quotes. Send me £10 to find out how I did it.

 

1. Reading through quotes is hard so it's ok. I have also jumped to wrong conclusions.

 

2. Very interesting 

 

3. Not that I recall. Maybe a few interesting phrases but nothing to this extent.

 

4. Panic? A way to deal with a new and unexpected situation? Trying to outwit and be clever? The 180 is def something that I noticed.  At first Heavy said Wut? This is just how I post. And yet now it is not. Could be a Team timezones thing.

 

 

Bold - Fair.  Just not something I thought new scum would do off the bat, but the switch is telling, imo. Plus I got burned by Gud last game so I feel like I was paying extra attention to seeing anything I felt was odd from a new player.

 

8 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Is it okay if I just add colourful comments to the quote? I don't have the desire to break up all the spots to reply. If it bothers people I will find another way. 

colourful bold additions are mine. This was not as easy as I thought it would be. Shad honouring teal out.

 

Color is fine with me.

 

Fair enough on the tinfoil.  I think I addressed it earlier, but let me know.

 

Re: The heavy discussion you quoted - was it just me you were looking for information from?? Seems like a very chill response.  I know you said it's based on last game, but it is weirding me out man!

 

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7 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

So your Heavy vote was a joke? Your Rand vote is real? You are voting Rand right? (This wouldn't be an issue if the mods kept up)

 

Nyn, OK.

 

Speak for yourself. I feel I have a reasonable feel for Heavy when he isn't RPing his posts. He can be insightful and obviously town when he is clear. My problem with his early posts was it felt like he was faking his RP Heavy trying to cover. That was why I asked if he could be more "zen" which he was later in his first game and throughout most of the second game (except for during the cursed D2). I'm waiting to see where he goes from here but he is definitely still in my wtl group.

 

Tigraine is still null for me until she actually posts. DL is less than 24 hrs away though so tick tick... Lenlo too for that matter.

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Still love you, Len

 

Maybe that's a you thing. I'm not sure what it's all about. For me the goal of this game is to find townies to protect, and find non-town to lynch. If you engage in non-town behaviour then you get put in the non-town group. Last game, you were MAFIA, you engaged in non-town behaviour. You refused to clearly declare your towniness, despite being given a valid reason to do so, and worse imo refused to share a "tell" you had for a player that turned out to be a teammate. You did something again that I consider non-town behaviour in stating a willingness to lynch Heavy for the lols. Townies playing to their win condition don't do things like that. You can say now it was a joke but it didn't look like one and everything on thread is real until it clearly isn't. Bottom line is I think you are mafia again.

 

It's not personal for me. It is just me trying to solve this game.

 

And then you do things like the bold which again makes me think town Turin.

 

@Turin Turambar - What do you think of dice's posts since?  I get that you think his vote on heavy was anti-town - are you still feeling that way?

 

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6 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Just slept for most of the past 36 hours and still slept in till 11. I was dreading the catch up but it was less than expected, lol. So I'd apologise for slanking but it seems unnecessary. Autocorrect wanted me to apologise for spanking, not sure what it knows that I don't. 

 

Not liking how everybody seems plausibly town.

 

I'd expect Turin if town to be more active and town-cheerleading, but he is not doing anything suspicious. 

 

Ithi seems a bit too critical of everything.

 

Nyn has been posting a lot and asking questions but not overly solving.

 

Key seems the most straightforward townie doing townie things.

 

Dice was making jokes(!) being grumpy and making out of game references. The jokes is a new one for me, grumpy is NAI and the wrestling posts are a tell possibly of mafia distraction tactics?

 

Marsh sounds plausible but not sure I like his logic yet he hasn't used it in anger yet so difficult to have an opinion.

 

Ed seems to have posted nothing but fluff. 

 

DPR and Verb seem to be having something of a love in without noticibly contributing. But is it a town love affair or a mafia one? 

 

Lenlo, Rand and Tig no read on. 

 

So not being much help, I'm afraid, even after my herculean sleep. I'd say run up Dice, but in my experience Dice reacts in exactly the same way to being voted for in both alignments. Maybe Ed to see which way he jumps? But I'm loath to vote at random, however I have little else to go at this point and DL is rapidly approaching. 

 

Regarding my "change" in style, from my pov, I still just posting the way I always do. *shrugs* not really a lot I can say to reassure anyone on that score. I still stand by that voting for someone for saying nothing when everyone else is making joke votes and posting memes seems unfair, but there we are. 

 

 

 

First Italics - where's Verb when we need him? lol.

 

Bold - You are contradicting yourself in this statement.  He's not doing anything suspicious to you, yet if he were town he'd be more active and cheerleading?

 

All the rest of the italics - what do these mean to you? Are these folks scum? null? 

 

Second bold - What are townie things to you?

 

Third bold - what does this mean??

 

Last bold - But you're not posting the same?  Go look at a post of yours from the first few pages and then a post now and tell me how those are the same?  

 

6 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

For me Heavy it wasn't what you said early. It was how you said it. That the was no real content, you weren't taking stances etc.. wasn't important.  I read it as not real. Not even in the way you can at times be RP lite in conversation ( my take, sorry if I offend). It felt like an imitation of that so it was a bit jarring. 

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself well or not. 

Some of the other posts have felt true to what I view as zen Heavy. There was even one in the middle of page 7 where I was questioning your response to Ithi that I thought was pure. 

 

Keep giving ideas and I think we might get there.  If you are town of course, lol.

 

I feel like this is a calm response, which makes me want to say town, but, and I know I feel weird about it.  So, I guess this makes me the one with tinfoil now? 

 

@Ithillian Turambar - This seems helpful of Turin, how do you feel about that?

 

6 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I know you are not pushing me, that is what I mean. It is harsh to sus someone for being nice, and as I say I don't think this is a definite tell which means you are certainly mafia, but it seems you are more likely to butter me up as mafia than town. 

 

As I said I normally wouldn't say anything at this point and see how it plays out, but given the circumstances I thought I should share this before I possibly cannot. 

 

So you think he's trying to pocket you?

 

6 hours ago, DPR said:

The tone here strikes me as contrived and has a whif of wolf to wolf in it. 
 

You’ve been general with a few of your descriptions as well. Did you ever figure out what it was that bothers you about me? You mentioned it yesterday and never got back to it.
 

 

 Bold - what do you mean?

 

5 hours ago, DPR said:

This feels like a soft and carefully worded reply. There’s a good bit of mea culpa here, which strikes me as odd, and a lot of trying to not criticize Turin too much (something Turin offers in return) and it just feels off. 
 

Wolf to wolf alarms tripped. 
 

 

 

Bold - I don't see that?  I do see the gentle response of both, but not sure I feel W/W.  Maybe T/W? Admittedly, this is based on my current scum read of Heavy and town read of Turin.

[Ironeyes]

1 minute ago, DPR said:

Check this out: 

 

 

And then… 

 

 

This is why I said you’ve been planning and not playing. You’re trying to bend the game to fit your narrative - nothing see it for what it is. 

You're misinterpreting the term "made Ithi and Turin think"

It's grammatically dependent on the first few words: "In an effort to be nice..." 

In other words, by trying to be nice I caused Ithi and Turin to form a conclusion. There is no intent there, merely cause and effect. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

2 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

Maybe wait a little longer before stealing another player's reasoning? It's not subtle enough this way. 

Sorry, did I misunderstand you when you said you pretended to defend me? You wouldn't classify that as a trap? 

 

And i'm arguing your town, lol. 

[Ironeyes]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Sorry, did I misunderstand you when you said you pretended to defend me? You wouldn't classify that as a trap? 

 

And i'm arguing your town, lol. 

See my response to DPR, also to Ithi. I didn't pretend to do anything. I cut you some slack and got sussed for it by everyone. I would have had to intend to get a reaction for it to be a trap, which I didn't. Key using my mistake as cover was also an unintended side effect. 

[Verbal32]

6 hours ago, DPR said:

This feels like a soft and carefully worded reply. There’s a good bit of mea culpa here, which strikes me as odd, and a lot of trying to not criticize Turin too much (something Turin offers in return) and it just feels off. 
 

Wolf to wolf alarms tripped. 
 

 

 

22 minutes ago, DPR said:

Vote: Ironeyes

 

For sporadic posting, admitting to trying to pull off a plan first thing on d1, and having a smarmy tone in general. 

 

Your top post there is towards Heavy and Turin, and you suggest potential scummates.

 

Then your bottom post just votes the person calling Heavy scum, and maybe even Turin as well (not sure if that's what Marsh was saying.....).

 

Do you often vote for people who sus the same people as you?

[Verbal32]

@Ironeyes

 

Please see my above post to DPR.  I think you might have been suggesting Turin was also scum, but maybe that wasn't accurate and it's Key instead you suggest?

 

Can you clear that up for me, please?

[Ironeyes]

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

@Ironeyes

 

Please see my above post to DPR.  I think you might have been suggesting Turin was also scum, but maybe that wasn't accurate and it's Key instead you suggest?

 

Can you clear that up for me, please?

I don't have a clear read on Turin yet. My whole megapost was my case for Key being scum and using me as cover. The opening that allowed her to do that was suspicion cast on me by Turin and Ithi. That doesn't make Turin scum.

[Verbal32]

2 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

I don't have a clear read on Turin yet. My whole megapost was my case for Key being scum and using me as cover. The opening that allowed her to do that was suspicion cast on me by Turin and Ithi. That doesn't make Turin scum.

 

Hmm.  That makes it even weirder.

 

DPR says a Heavy post was scummy and links him with Turin.  Then Turin susses you, who turns it towards Heavy.  Then DPR votes you.

 

Doesn't make sense.

[Turin Turambar]

Sorry Key, I got lost in that multi quote.

 

I think there was at least one question for me but I couldn't sort through all the posts. I think it was something about Heavy???

[Verbal32]

If Heavy and Marsh are w/w, I'll eat my shoe.

 

If Marsh is town, DPR looks bad.  I don't know if it makes Key look bad, her effort seems consistent with her town game so far.  NAI on Turin here.

 

If Marsh is scum, all bets are off and somebody shoot me that night.

 

 

 

Seems legit.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

15 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

So you think he's trying to pocket you?

I think that is definitely a possibility. I think his reasoning is plausible, but without knowing I'm town why is he calming me down and giving me an out as mafia? Of course, maybe he is just acting as innocent until proven guilty but that has not been my experience of Town!Turin so far, but maybe he has mellowed out since our first game, where he battered me with literally hundreds of posts in a back and forth of t/t violence. Which could I suppose be a reason to not repeat that again, lol. 

[DPR]

20 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

You're misinterpreting the term "made Ithi and Turin think"

It's grammatically dependent on the first few words: "In an effort to be nice..." 

In other words, by trying to be nice I caused Ithi and Turin to form a conclusion. There is no intent there, merely cause and effect. 

See bold below 

 

19 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Sorry, did I misunderstand you when you said you pretended to defend me? You wouldn't classify that as a trap? 

 

And i'm arguing your town, lol. 

 

16 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

See my response to DPR, also to Ithi. I didn't pretend to do anything. I cut you some slack and got sussed for it by everyone. I would have had to intend to get a reaction for it to be a trap, which I didn't. Key using my mistake as cover was also an unintended side effect. 

 

1 hour ago, Ironeyes said:

Here's the TL;DR

Heavy is scum.
 

In an effort to be nice to what I thought was someone playing his first game,

 

I made Ithi and Turin think I was defending him.

 

Key took that opening and used it to push suspicion onto me while simultaneously defending Heavy in a more subtle way. They're teammates trying to make sure I go down next after Heavy flips scum. 

To your point, I didn’t misrep anything at all - you said “I made Ithi and Turin think I was defending him”. 
 

This statement clearly implies that you mislead them, and your later statement of Key “taking the opening” is a clear reference to “the opening” being a trap. 
 

You, sir, were the cause and the effect was a direct interpretation of your own actions. 
 

You know who deceives and tries to trap people? 
 

To Heavy’s point, you just flat out lied. You absolutely pretended to defend him, see your statements above lol.
 

I feel just fine about my vote. 

[Verbal32]

Has anybody tunneled on only 1 player so far?

[Lenlo]

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

Has anybody tunneled on only 1 player so far?

Key maybe feels that way with Marsh, but I'd have to go back through and double check.

[DPR]

17 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

 

Your top post there is towards Heavy and Turin, and you suggest potential scummates.

 

Then your bottom post just votes the person calling Heavy scum, and maybe even Turin as well (not sure if that's what Marsh was saying.....).

 

Do you often vote for people who sus the same people as you?

All the time. 
 

Marsh has lied and I evolved my view.

[Ironeyes]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

See bold below 

 

 

 

To your point, I didn’t misrep anything at all - you said “I made Ithi and Turin think I was defending him”. 
 

This statement clearly implies that you mislead them, and your later statement of Key “taking the opening” is a clear reference to “the opening” being a trap. 
 

You, sir, were the cause and the effect was a direct interpretation of your own actions. 
 

You know who deceives and tries to trap people? 
 

To Heavy’s point, you just flat out lied. You absolutely pretended to defend him, see your statements above lol.
 

I feel just fine about my vote. 

Do we speak the same English language? Trap and Accident are not synonyms.

[Nynaeve]

33 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I actually think Marsh might be town.  The LOE in his posts is high, and that isn't typically sustainable for scum.....so I'm happy to think he's town for now and see how this develops.

 

I also think Nyn is likely town.  Her not accepting a "Nyn is town" statement and wanting further explanation is also typically a towntell.

 

I want to think Lenlo is town here.  When we are opposite alignments, we argue a lot.  I don't get that feeling so far.  This is a weak read, but better than null.

 

A bunch of players not named in this post are in the middle - maybe a post here or there I liked or didn't, but nothing to comment on (yet).

 

I'm a little suspicious of both DPR and Dice.   Weak D1 reads, but worse than null.  Dice "feels" like he did last game, where he was scum (with me, so I saw it closely).  DPR is just weird right now.  I can't put my finger on it yet.

 

I agree with your stances. DPR still on the null part, but mebbe.

 

Will need a shower bc of this.

 

Will not be putting my finger anywhere.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

20 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

First Italics - where's Verb when we need him? lol.

Giggity

 

Bold - You are contradicting yourself in this statement.  He's not doing anything suspicious to you, yet if he were town he'd be more active and cheerleading?

He isn't doing anything actively suspicious, but I would expect town!Turin to be more in charge of things. So it seems off for his playstyle

 

All the rest of the italics - what do these mean to you? Are these folks scum? null? 

Mostly null with some doubts. 

 

Second bold - What are townie things to you?

Asking questions and doing stuff with thw answers (not simply endlessly asking people to clarify). Pointing out pro-town things and sus-things. Showing thought processes even when unfinished, not I have suspicions which I'll list later type of posts. 

 

Third bold - what does this mean??

Need to answer this one separately, I've forgotten. 

 

Last bold - But you're not posting the same?  Go look at a post of yours from the first few pages and then a post now and tell me how those are the same?  

That was me having fun, making jokes and influencing people. Not the right way apparently. And yes I was going down a defensive tunnel - not actually in my emotions but in that I was talking myself into a corner by being increasingly snarky.

Answers in green. 

[Nynaeve]

36 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I don't like Marsh's reasoning. Admittedly I'm biased - but even ignoring he is pushing me... But I get the feeling he is honest. 

 

He is so certain from my first few posts that I'm mafia that he concocts a trap and risks appearing wolfy to everyone (see Ithi's vote) to catch more wolves. He then elaborately paints Key as a fellow wolf and then predicts people will only be eliminating us three over the coming days. But if he was a wolf, he would know I'm not and all this farfetched theorising would be pointless. And risking being eliminated and flipping wolf himself would equally undermine it all. So if he really means all this, he has to be town. Otherwise it is all just fluff to miseliminate me which seems a bit of overkill at this point. 

 

Hush sweet child