90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

Verbal32 · April 24

/out

j/k

Tigraine · April 24

On 4/23/2025 at 1:21 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Tigs maintains mafia roleblocking Dice would mean we wouldn’t believe he was Town and so we’d lynch him

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That's not what I said. Roleblocking him so we couldn't get a reading in connection with no NK. Because why would they try to kill him and try to RB him? They had to know (if he is the actual cop) that the Doc would more than likely protect him. So why was there no NK? This is why I don't think it's muddying the waters to consider the motives behind this. I think the liklihood of the Doc randomly protecting someone other than the cop and it just so happens to be the one they go after for a NK is pretty low. So I'm forced to find other logic behind it.

Zander? · April 24

TRUE FIRST!!!!!

Zander? · April 24

Straight up have only read about 10-15 posts Day 1 and have skimmed for votes Day 2 lololololol.

Imma read the 2 pages before EoD Day 1 and look at the wagons tomorrow when I get up and ABOOT and get some *BRIEF* TLDRs for some peeps hopefully

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Ithillian Turambar · April 24

On 4/23/2025 at 2:50 AM, Tigraine said:

On 4/23/2025 at 2:46 AM, DPR said:

if you’re the Cop, and you got a “no result”, that would point toward the mafia roleblocker blocking your action.

okay

But there was no nightkill, so we’re assuming the doc protected you and blocked the nk.

okay

So dice, as Cop, is RB’d, and also Doc’d.

And Verb is no result.

Here’s my question:

I get where the Doc had no choice but to protect the Cop claim…

But why would the mafia waste a shot on someone they knew would be protected?

And if they were shooting at a Cop, why not use the Strongman shot?

Maybe @RandA lThor can help us with this?

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Maybe to convince us to lynch our cop?

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Zander? · April 24

So who wants to sum up 54 pages in 4 lines or less?!?!?!!

dicetosser1 · April 24

On 4/23/2025 at 12:58 PM, DPR said:

Think about what you just said…

I lack vision. Do you really believe that?

Hunches, what-ifs, speculation and everything else is always going to muddy the water.

Don’t talk yourself out of making sense. I’ve put my views on the table. You can see them however you like, but I challenge you to say any of them isn’t likely and tell me what outcome is more likely.

Leave your childish ways behind. Go with what makes sense and let that be a foundation to build on. Mafia 101 here.

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mafia 101 is to believe the unccd cop until their proven a liar. You trying to be all O Great Sage of Mafia but your fixated on a viewpoint when you, of all people, KNOW there are other options.

rbing me makes my role useless. Now look at all the time you all have wasted talking about me instead of hunting for the actual scum. Looks like not killing me is working g really well for the mafia right now.

On 4/23/2025 at 1:42 PM, DPR said:

Two things for the record:

1. Again, I’m not cc’ing dice.
2. I’m not suggesting we lynch dice today.

I feel it will be much more safe and productive to watch how he moves forward, how people interact with him and what reactions might change as he knows he’s being watched.

Last, I found a reread of page 32 of this thread to be most interesting.

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dude it’s mafia. I know I’m always being watched from the moment the game starts. That doesn’t affect anything

On 4/23/2025 at 1:59 PM, RandA lThor said:

I did not think these 2 were the assumptions personally, because they were obviously incorrect assumptions we'd already disproven at night. I thought the 2 were mafia didn't hit condemner or hider.

Agreed with your post after the above assumptions until this. It is useless to argue you for now, and you're unvoteable, but you are not the next thing to confirmed town. No one has so far successfully argued against

1) If you were mafia, and about to die, you would definitely do something like claim cop as you died. No drawbacks since you were about to die anyways, lots of benefits

2) P much everyone agrees that if a real cop is there, they should not counter immediately. Instead, get some safe reads in while you're hidden, and then counter with additional information, and before the last day if we're wrong so we guarantee a chance to vote both sides.

Your status is effectively in a pending state, that we'll get to later.

Nope, and scummy. Whether you're real cop, or mafia, a CC would wait to CC. So order doesn't matter one way or the other. We have to flesh out the discussion when the CC comes out, and you'll be on equal terms. Just because you claimed early on the verge of death because you were about to be voted out, doesn't mean you get some boost.

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number 1. Not definetly. If I’m a goon? Absolutely. RB maybe GF no because if I’m scum fake claiming I don’t think a real cop bothers viewing me. They already know I’m lying. It’s just lynch with fire time

2 except it doesn’t always happen that way. Sometimes they do come straight out at the claimed. Very unlikely here because I did it so late.

the problem with me fake claiming is it doesnt actually buy me much. Maybe a day? It’s a death ticket.

the other problem is that I AM the cop.

you can not believe me all you want but that’s what I’m gonna flip

On 4/23/2025 at 2:08 PM, Verbal32 said:

My comments in blue.

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this turned useless without the actual quote

On 4/23/2025 at 2:53 PM, RandA lThor said:

@Ithillian Turambar responding to the above and your rambles including me here.

* I do agree that in general this logic is very scummy. I think the important thing here though is that I had a town read and yet I was forced to vote for IE anyways, since otherwise there was a chance that a claimed cop would die. Do you agree that my hand was forced, and why from a neutral standpoint, we are looking at the people that voted for IE unforced?

* Im going to TLDR since Ive gone into this in detail partially just above this and before, but here are my reasons for you, DPR, and Key

DPR - Horrible reasoning on analyzing the game, trying to eliminate valid possibilities for town to think through, hung around deadline but didn't meaningfully contribute in a chaotic time, tried to specifically pidgeonhole IE into being scum with awful points

Ithi - Bad points on whether Dice would false claim or not, to the point where I believe either you're missing something or you're misleading scum similar to DPR, and the votes on IE. There was some vibe stuff way back, but I honestly don't remember, and I don't think its as important now with more real tells.

Key - Honestly get town vibes from her, her push on IE was the latest, and thats the only thing against her. Its why she's my biggest town read of the group

* I agree that lynching Dice is dumb, so your ramble about me thinking to do that being dumb is correct, I just also agree with you. However, just because I know we can't vote him right now, doesn't mean that I trust him as confirmed town, I am still equally as suspicious because there's no logic telling me that his claim was valid, it just tells me it's not safe to vote him. I believe Im in alignment with Turin here if his explanation of this viewpoint makes more sense to you.

Lmk if there's anything I missed!

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You mean besides hints? Yeah there is

i already TOLD you I’m not confirmed town. I’m just the next best thing because I shouldn’t be getting voted. I TOLD you I agree with Turins idea of treating me like anyone else minus the voting or if somehow I get a red peek

so yeah. Your missing stuff

On 4/23/2025 at 3:50 PM, Nynaeve said:

Good response overall... prior to the emotional breakdown xD

Honestly atp I'm not sure what would disappoint me more.... dice being a dirtbag or dice being town lol

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considering you’ve been sus on me from the get go probably the latter lol

which means I AM going to make you sad after all I guess

On 4/23/2025 at 4:11 PM, Nynaeve said:

Then for the sake of argument, why not pick him to view? Add this with my previous question of why you picked Verb

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already answered this. Didn’t like his eod and the stuff immediately after the lynch. He was talking about ccs immeadiately and suddenly had a hard on for kill the claimed cop

and you know full well I try not to go for the predictable targets.

On 4/24/2025 at 12:19 AM, Tigraine said:

Oh okay. I didn't see this. What about the way he was acting seemed suspicious to you?

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see above

On 4/24/2025 at 12:27 AM, Verbal32 said:

Allow to me to answer for our esteemed Dice:

"cause he voted me and had bad raisins and then I didn't like how he looked at me - obv scum"

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On 4/23/2025 at 7:45 PM, Verbal32 said:

Very true, but the alternative is getting lynched so it's just the right play to make.

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don’t answer for me. You get it wrong.

the second statement is true It’s also true for the town cop in the same situation.

dicetosser1 · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:04 AM, Zander? said:

So who wants to sum up 54 pages in 4 lines or less?!?!?!!

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most people don’t believe my cop claim

they are wrong

they need to stop spending all their time talking about me and go find the scum

that work Z?

Zander? · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:05 AM, dicetosser1 said:

mafia 101 is to believe the unccd cop until their proven a liar. You trying to be all O Great Sage of Mafia but your fixated on a viewpoint when you, of all people, KNOW there are other options.

rbing me makes my role useless. Now look at all the time you all have wasted talking about me instead of hunting for the actual scum. Looks like not killing me is working g really well for the mafia right now.

dude it’s mafia. I know I’m always being watched from the moment the game starts. That doesn’t affect anything

number 1. Not definetly. If I’m a goon? Absolutely. RB maybe GF no because if I’m scum fake claiming I don’t think a real cop bothers viewing me. They already know I’m lying. It’s just lynch with fire time

2 except it doesn’t always happen that way. Sometimes they do come straight out at the claimed. Very unlikely here because I did it so late.

the problem with me fake claiming is it doesnt actually buy me much. Maybe a day? It’s a death ticket.

the other problem is that I AM the cop.

you can not believe me all you want but that’s what I’m gonna flip

this turned useless without the actual quote

You mean besides hints? Yeah there is

i already TOLD you I’m not confirmed town. I’m just the next best thing because I shouldn’t be getting voted. I TOLD you I agree with Turins idea of treating me like anyone else minus the voting or if somehow I get a red peek

so yeah. Your missing stuff

considering you’ve been sus on me from the get go probably the latter lol

which means I AM going to make you sad after all I guess

already answered this. Didn’t like his eod and the stuff immediately after the lynch. He was talking about ccs immeadiately and suddenly had a hard on for kill the claimed cop

and you know full well I try not to go for the predictable targets.

see above

don’t answer for me. You get it wrong.

the second statement is true It’s also true for the town cop in the same situation.

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Damnit he woke up before I got the chance to get Dice lunched while sleeping..... lololololol

Zander? · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:06 AM, dicetosser1 said:

most people don’t believe my cop claim

they are wrong

they need to stop spending all their time talking about me and go find the scum

that work Z?

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Damnit he woke up before I got the chance to get Dice lunched while sleeping..... lololololol

I mean well you know DMers like to lunch the UN CC'D PR LOLOLOLOL

I saw your claim. Ofc it's sketchy in the situation but you're UN CC'D and the cop should never CC ATP if you're lying but unless/until you're CC'D you're not for lunch today imho

dicetosser1 · April 24

On 4/23/2025 at 8:34 PM, Verbal32 said:

If the bold is what you're stuck on, it's not relevant. Dice played scummy enough to get run up, regardless of whether he wanted to or not. Typically, scum don't want to be voted, so claiming Cop is the right scum play.

If he's town, then obv all this is moot.

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I only had 2 votes on me with 30 mins to go so I mustn’t have been all that scummy

On 4/24/2025 at 12:49 AM, Darthe said:

Zander has replaced Lenlo. He is still responsible for vote counts lololololol

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@darthe. Is this for real?

Zander? · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

I only had 2 votes on me with 30 mins to go so I mustn’t have been all that scummy

@darthe. Is this for real?

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Yes Dice it is.... LOLOLOLOL

Tigraine · April 24

On 4/23/2025 at 3:21 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Another question:

Tig and Nyn had diametrically opposite reactions to end of day. Tig thought Rand was scammy as could possibly be, Nyn thought Rand was totally consistent with being Town. Are these both valid opinions, and why has no one bothered either of them for their reasoning? Are they just flying under the radar or is that the whole fake, not fake claim thing is actually a pretense for all this antagonism?

I kind of feel no one is going to answer this for multiple reasons but mostly as it has no easy answer if one at all. But it is bugging me so maybe someone can answer.

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I've responded to multiple people about my take on Rand EoD. They may be giving Nyn a minute since they know she's away and busy with her dad.

Hope your dad is well, Nyn 💜

RandA lThor · April 24

On 4/23/2025 at 10:08 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'm still chewing over a lot. I really feel I'm missing something in turin/Verb rand/dice rand/DPR key+dice ithi+dice nyn/tig ed/DPR

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...uh what are you not missing something in?? 😅

On 4/23/2025 at 11:13 PM, DPR said:

Pretty sure you posted this in the wrong chat.

This is more of a buckle up baby Jesus, shit’s about to get bumpy kinda crowd. Just so you know.

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Pls tell me its not that kinda crowd 😭😭 why am I in these vibes in my work and here

On 4/24/2025 at 12:17 AM, Tigraine said:

On Day 3, that wouldn't go over so well but on Day 1, I figure it would've been safest to go another direction.

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So if we actually find scum Day 1, they can just vaguely soft claim and get away scot free??

On 4/24/2025 at 12:17 AM, Tigraine said:

The things that stood out to me about Rand's behavior was the the one liner posts, a few of them, when it was literal minutes until EoD and anyone trying to hurry and see what was happening in those last minutes before voting or unvoting would have to wade through the crap. He explained that he didn't know if he'd have service so fine on that.

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This was partially due to my phone's service things, but also due to my (and Im sure others face this issue) loss of time tracking when typing up a response? Not even in mafia, just texting in general. If I stop to write a longer post, pause to think about something, continue, that can take minutes. If we're in a 2 min time scramble, and idk exactly when the day will end, I need to get things out fast, and before day ends. That works better with short comments.

On 4/24/2025 at 12:17 AM, Tigraine said:

Then, immediately after Dice claimed, he said something, and I'm paraphrasing, like "nice try, I don't believe it" then immediately switched his vote.

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Discussed this with something else, the nice try comment I was ninja'd by Dice's reveal. Immediately when I saw his hard reveal, I moved away. I was saying I don't believe it with his soft claims, cuz anyone could do that.

On 4/24/2025 at 12:17 AM, Tigraine said:

The fact that he acted like it was absurd that anyone could find his behavior scummy was another layer to it.

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How is being available at the end of day 1, and making sure as best as possible I was available at the end of day to switch votes for a claim, which happened, and due to my availability, preventing a claimed cop from being voted out *scummy*?? If he's cop, and I was mafia, arguing my way through any number of wasn't in time excuses is SO worth getting the cop voted out d1 with no info.

Zander? · April 24

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT TO WoT?!?!?!!

keyholder21 · April 24

@RandA lThor - Except, I feel slightly more on the fence about DPR now because he gave a firm statement on how he feels about Eddie and because I now see how dice could be scum claiming. And he was nice to me today, so maybe I'm a sucker lol. But I don't like absolutes and I feel it's weird that he's stuck that it must have happened one way, so I hope to reread him in the morning before my classes and get a better feel.

Ithi answered me re: Ed and lazy Marsh lynch. I basically feel the same on her, still leaning town. I misremembered her saying lazy and I get wanting to look at both trains. I wasn't crazy about her reply on Ed, but the other points below are the same.

Dice - I have no freaking clue now. I get now how he could make that claim easily as scum, but we do have a cop so ???

On 4/23/2025 at 6:33 PM, keyholder21 said:

Here for min. I wanted to get this posted and be here IRL for a bit, but I've just had a student walk in. I should have a little bit of time before my next meeting to be here providing this student doesn't need ages of help lol.

- No nk is awesome. @NynaeveNyn, I'm sorry to hear about your dad! I hope he gets some good painkillers and heals fast <3. @ed2funyEddie, sending Healing vibes to your friend!

-Turin's post re: clarification on roles looked hella townie to me. Would be easy as scum to just let town be confused. I also feel like I can follow what he's saying, like he is following his own train of thought making sense kind of thing. Not sure I explain that well. Although, know his me/Verb/Rand scum team is wrong lolol. And, I don't agree with the "lumping people with scum is a scummate thing". I focused on DPR for that last game and it definitely bit me in the a$$. @Turin Turambar - What's your suspicion of me specifically? I know you had a tinfoil in D1, but I thought we discussed that and I don't think you've mentioned anything since?

-Eddie is still mostly just yucking it up, which is concerning to me on D2 as there is plenty to discuss. Wasn't much involved in D1 or the lynch at all, but votes DPR out of the gate today and is "10000%" willing to lynch DPR with no reasoning?? DPR, who was poking Eddie basically every time he posted yesterday and some today, but is still calling him a blank slot. Granted, I also think DPR is acting weird with his attitude changes. Scummate distancing?? @ed2funy - Literally ANYTHING to suggest how you feel about people outside of DPR?

-DPR is crazya** sassy all day yesterday and tells people to "figure things out", but then today when he's getting sussed is all zen and clearing things for the record? Well, except Page 32. This is so incredibly different from last game it is sketching me out man. And I don't like how he's been treating Eddie as a blank slot rather than being sus of Ed for lack of any kind of involvement. Oh now, Eddie's 3p since someone mentioned it?? That being said, I have a little niggling worry here because I did think Marsh was scummy and I agree with his case on Marsh yesterday. I also balked at his saying dice was scum, but I sorta agree with the "hunting around him" that DPR JUST posted.

-Lenlo comes in and says nothing of note again. Of all our quiet people, he gives me the most 3p vibes because he's here/involved just enough to sit as null for folks, but not really providing *anything* of note. @Lenlo - do you have any comments or reads???

-Through all the back and forth with dice and DPR, I feel like Rand makes sense. I also think his emotion and tone say frustrated town. I also think it's a good look that he is willing to admit he was wrong and then go into *detail* about how he changed his mind. I am confused about how he has Len as a town lean though? @RandA lThor - can you explain?

-Maybe I'm just pocketed here, but Verb's tone and activity still look town to me since it is SO different from last game. I don't see the bad logic.

@dicetosser1 - why did you not check Rand if you thought he was so scummy with his votes at EOD???

-Tigraine coming in talking about lynching the cop. @Tigraine - When would this happen, imo?? I can't remember ever lynching an un-cc'd cop.

-Heavy is still clear in his language today and I liked his points about Tigraine and Rand and I think he's now asking good questions. The switch in personality is still wigging me out though.

-Some of Ithi's posts today I like, but some I don't. I understand treating dice as cop, even though I don't like how he's played it and I thought she had solid points in reply to Rand. I also agree that Tigraine listing out lynches for the following days is sketchy. But, she is also weirdly treating Ed like a blank slot, just like DPR, which I don't understand. And, re: the Marsh lynch, even though I'm on it, I agree with looking at the people on the lynch because it would be pretty unlikely to NOT have mafia on it? I think Marsh was scummy yesterday and I feel like I was clear about it. @Ithillian Turambar - Why is it lazy to look at the Marsh lynch?

@Nynaeve I meant Tigraine's quotes of why she thought dice was breadcrumbing when I said receipts. I also don't like the summaries, although I feel somewhat hypocritical saying that, since I'm partially doing that atm since I am short on time.

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RandA lThor · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:04 AM, Zander? said:

So who wants to sum up 54 pages in 4 lines or less?!?!?!!

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DPR is scum

Dice is probably scum that we save for later when the real cop CCs with some juicy info, but if he actually is cop then I have giant egg on face

I might be the towniest town of all time

Fine, Nyn, Verbal, and Turin too

Your welcome 🙌🏾

RandA lThor · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:18 AM, Zander? said:

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT TO WoT?!?!?!!

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Because we hate you

Zander? · April 24

From the limited posts I've read tho Ed seems to be posting JUST for the sake of POSTING but again that's a very limited sample size just thoughts I had as I read while doing VCs and stuff and that's without literally reading just about anything basically the first 30 pages and maybe page page and half two pages Reading full posts not skimming lol

Zander? · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:21 AM, RandA lThor said:

DPR is scum

Dice is probably scum that we save for later when the real cop CCs with some juicy info, but if he actually is cop then I have giant egg on face

I might be the towniest town of all time

Fine, Nyn, Verbal, and Turin too

Your welcome 🙌🏾

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VOTE RAND

LUNCH ALL LIARS!!!!!! Lololololol

Zander? · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:21 AM, RandA lThor said:

DPR is scum

Dice is probably scum that we save for later when the real cop CCs with some juicy info, but if he actually is cop then I have giant egg on face

I might be the towniest town of all time

Fine, Nyn, Verbal, and Turin too

Your welcome 🙌🏾

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Thoughts on Ed?

Zander? · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:21 AM, RandA lThor said:

Because we hate you

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Found my first Wolf.

GG

Mafia is ezpz

RandA lThor · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:24 AM, Zander? said:

Thoughts on Ed?

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Scum lean, some coasting vibes, though he does have some low-key light contributions, and agrees with me on DPR.

Zander? · April 24

Turin obviously a Wolf as well.

Haven't read his posts just because he's the Wolfiest SOAB in the world lolololol

Zander? · April 24

On 4/24/2025 at 1:26 AM, RandA lThor said:

Scum lean, some coasting vibes, though he does have some low-key light contributions, and agrees with me on DPR.

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Do you tend to auto town read people who agree with you/your reads?

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