90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:16 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

 

 

That doesn’t really strike me as standard scum play? I don’t think I’ve ever done that, at least. I follow that you think so, but the more I think about it, I just kinda doubt it.

 

 

Why is that simpler than the cop just playing scummy beforehand and then claiming when they were on the line?  Not that understand the playing scummy beforehand.  

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If the bold is what you're stuck on, it's not relevant.  Dice played scummy enough to get run up, regardless of whether he wanted to or not.  Typically, scum don't want to be voted, so claiming Cop is the right scum play.

 

If he's town, then obv all this is moot.

[Nynaeve]

Going to bed.

 

Vote: Tigs

 

 

Ni ni

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:28 PM, SinisterDeath said:

@Darthe gave me the go ahead to post a follow up here regarding nested quotes. I just figured out how to do them properly.

 

Step 1. Highlight The Original quote + The Text, and click "Quote Selection".

 

Then as shown below, It'll auto nest for you.

 

This should alleviate any concerns with anyone accidently screwing up quoting the wrong post in the nest and getting accused of cheating via manipulating the text in their quotes.

 

That said, this method was only tested on Desktop, and It probably works like trash on your Mobile browser.

 

If you attempt it on your phone and it doesn't work, or you can't delete the quote, you may have to enable "desktop mode" in your browser in order to gain some functionality in DM's post editor.

 

And if DM is being particularly frustrating and won't delete a quote, if you have access to this button, , clicking that and deleting all the text in your post should delete it. Otherwise a "hard" reset is about the only thing you can do in your browser...

 

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Thanks SD! I think I did this accidentally once or twice, the quote selection button is amazing.

[RandA lThor]

Also, def not moving my vote from @DPR until he can respond to my points (not that I definitely will if he does). The rest of the adults here have been able to take a slap in step and still play the game. I'm hoping you can learn from me/them. Until then, the only other explanation is that you're taking any and all excuses to hide between your broken logic to try and mislead town, and are unable to defend any of the logic to break it. Scumlord #1.

 

Working from that premise, if he's refusing to admit that Dice could be town (cop or not, though I'd believe cop), Dice could be town from a successful DPR flip. Ditto for this insistence that mafia will always shoot cop, I'm suspecting mafia maybe shot elsewhere and got burned, statistically from the BPV or hider.

 

Of course, even with a mafia DPR flip, none of the above is guaranteed and he could be trying to "double negative" trick us, or distance from Dice. But things to think about.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:54 PM, Darthe said:

I responded to this, if there are some questions about the condemner I’m missing please let me know.

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Also reacted to this, but forgot to respond, thanks for the clarification! My bad from not picking it up from the setup, you had it right there 🤦‍♂️

[Zander?]

Official Vote Count

 

 

 

 

DPR (2/7): Rand, Ed

VERB: (1/7): Turin

Tig: (1/7): Nyn

 

 

 

 

Not Voting: Ithi, Dice, DPR, Verb, Len, Key, Tig, Heavy

 

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Countdown to EOD

 

 

 

https://countingdownto.com/?c=6244344

Edited April 23 by Zander?

[Zander?]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:37 PM, Nynaeve said:

Going to bed.

 

Vote: Tigs

 

 

Ni ni

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@Nynaeve

 

Hey Nyn I'll count this because I actually caught it but please use BOLD and RED for votes going forward to make them noticeable.   Tyvm!!!!  

[Darthe]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:01 PM, DPR said:

is the Condemner trying to get their target lynched or just “hunting” them? There as a whole discussion yesterday - I gotta look back, but no time now 

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Ah, yeah I did cover this one yesterday but it wasn’t the most clear.

 

basically, they’re an SK but their bullet only works on one target who was randomly selected from all players (except themselves) at the start of the game.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 9:16 PM, RandA lThor said:

Also, def not moving my vote from @DPR until he can respond to my points (not that I definitely will if he does). The rest of the adults here have been able to take a slap in step and still play the game. I'm hoping you can learn from me/them. Until then, the only other explanation is that you're taking any and all excuses to hide between your broken logic to try and mislead town, and are unable to defend any of the logic to break it. Scumlord #1.

 

Working from that premise, if he's refusing to admit that Dice could be town (cop or not, though I'd believe cop), Dice could be town from a successful DPR flip. Ditto for this insistence that mafia will always shoot cop, I'm suspecting mafia maybe shot elsewhere and got burned, statistically from the BPV or hider.

 

Of course, even with a mafia DPR flip, none of the above is guaranteed and he could be trying to "double negative" trick us, or distance from Dice. But things to think about.

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Believe me, I’m more surprised than anyone that I didn’t respond to a post you made. However, I’m happy to if you’ll point me in that direction. 
 

Until then, I will be working on my double negative mind tricks. They really do take a tremendous amount of concentration to get right. It’s nothing but work, work, work all the time…

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 4:39 PM, Zander? said:

Official Vote Count

 

 

 

DPR (2/7): Rand, Ed

 

VERB: (1/7): Turin

 

TIGS: (1/7): Nyn

 

Not Voting: Ithi, Dice, Nyn, DPR, Verb, Len, Key, Tig, Heavy

 

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Countdown to EOD

 

 

https://countingdownto.com/?c=6244344

 

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Have edited the vote count to keep track unofficially of the last vote Nyn had

 

Top scum prospects from each non-voting player, using only the last time they posted a proper reads list (I'm searching for Key in posts, so if you didn't include Key in your reads post, it's not on here).

 

Ithi - Tigs 

 

Dice - Rand 🖤

 

Verb - Dice (DPR as next up since Dice is un-cced)

 

Everyone below here has not posted an official list including Key, can we at the least get people's top scum prospects? A full list/reasoning, or at least your top scum and town reads as Nyn mentioned would be ideal. Don't want to make any assumptions for ppl. Not all of these people are inactive, some are super active, but just haven't formatted results in a way in which I found it (maybe just cuz of my Key search, pls help me since I'm too lazy to do more work than this)

 

@Lenlo @keyholder21 @Tigraine @HeavyHalfMoonBlade @DPR

 

Misc:

 

 

Found Nyns here - can I pretty please convince you onto DPR 🥺

 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:13 PM, RandA lThor said:

  On 4/23/2025 at 4:57 PM, DPR said:

* Why are you discounting the world where doctor believes the above and decides to protect someone else?

* Why are you discounting the world where mafia knows doctor may believe the above, and try to not use their strongman shot on D1, and see if they can get a safe kill on cop (and maybe doc did protect Dice)

Because mafia want to win - they already know that dice would never false claim cop if he was town, so if he’s not mafia, they will strongman him every time. It’s a game winning move - why do anything else? This is not nearly as straightforward as mafia just kills cop all the time, and I'm concerned that this is the angle that you're taking because you should be smart enough to delve deeper here. The cop is useless when known because they have a roleblocker (albeit using their roleblocker every night, but now with 100% success as opposed to like a 22% chance to get doc or hider, and 11% if they can't affect the hider. Additionally, the cop is pulling a lot of suss energy, so it'd be good for mafia to keep that around if that's the case, even if he won't be voted for yet.

* Why, when you were obviously online during the deadline yesterday, and Verbal, Dice, IE, and myself were scrambling to figure out the best decision to move forward when Dice caused complete chaos by first soft hinting a power role within the last hour, and hard claiming cop 2 min before deadline? Town is trying to help out as much as possible during the deadline, and you were useless

I was watching. Why do I want to disrupt players from showing us who they really are? Having a spasm doesn’t help the town. No, but providing insight into whether someone is soft/hard claiming fr or lying when they're about to die, being available to help build alternate trains instead of laying back and letting a train build out of desperation on IE, and putting your concrete thoughts down before flip are all good for town. Observing and doing nothing is scummy, since it suggests you have more knowledge of you enjoying what's going on, and trying not to disrupt it by interrupting.

 

I’m in blue. 

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I'm in red. I feel confident in my read about you again. Vote stays on.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:05 PM, DPR said:

Because it is taking an awful chance - no town-loving doc would ever take that chance. Ever. If you’re a doc and you have a cop with no cc, you cover the doc every single time.

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You seem to be generically applying logic from all mafia games that may not have roles like a roleblocker to this game that does have one. Think more please, instead of overgeneralizing so you don't have to use your brain.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:05 PM, DPR said:

This is just f’ing stupid. Slap yourself for being this dumb

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Trust I remember some things from my time here before, and your intelligence wasn't at the top of the list. I'm not putting much faith in what you consider stupid.

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@DPR the top here. I'll calm down my trolling now, just got a raise and my gf's free tonight so I'm in a better mood 🙂 Let's get some productive discussion going since I agree with some of your points and I want to give you as much ability as possible to change my mind, so that if you don't, I can continue tunneling as hard as I want

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

I'm still chewing over a lot. I really feel I'm missing something in turin/Verb rand/dice rand/DPR key+dice ithi+dice nyn/tig ed/DPR... Don't see a pattern forming. The only player I felt good about was Marsh and he was trying to kill me and you guys killed him anyway. 

 

Will sleep in it and post in the morning. Would be great if Lenlo and tig and Ed had popped in by then, but if not I'll see what I can do. 

 

At the moment DPR is my top wolf read. Because of Marsh. Because of his deflections. Because of his anti-town rhetoric. Though he did call my reasoning amazing so there is that. 

 

Top town read... Verb, maybe? By virtue of you all being more suspicious than the line up in the usual suspects. Maybe Nyn, but cannot help feel she is playing behind her questions that she never seems to do much with the answers to. Ithi at a push but I don't like her vibe and I don't like how she ignored 99% of D1 to lynch a townie. But in all honesty I've not liked much about this game at all so far. Y'all too sus or too clever for me. 

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 10:00 PM, RandA lThor said:

@DPR the top here. I'll calm down my trolling now, just got a raise and my gf's free tonight so I'm in a better mood 🙂 Let's get some productive discussion going since I agree with some of your points and I want to give you as much ability as possible to change my mind, so that if you don't, I can continue tunneling as hard as I want

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Lol, I answered all of those already. I quoted and responded in blue. Was wondering what you were going on about. 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 10:12 PM, DPR said:

Lol, I answered all of those already. I quoted and responded in blue. Was wondering what you were going on about. 

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I answered again in red below your blue responses

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 9:27 PM, Zander? said:

Official Vote Count

 

 

 

 

DPR (2/7): Rand, Ed

VERB: (1/7): Turin

Tig: (1/7): Nyn

 

 

 

 

Not Voting: Ithi (Tigs), Dice (Rand), DPR, Verb (DPR), Len, Key, Tig, Heavy (DPR)

 

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Countdown to EOD

 

 

 

https://countingdownto.com/?c=6244344

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Editing the quote with their top scum reads/most likely to vote for if their top read is Dice.

 

Seems like DPR is the favorite to vote so far, with Tigs as the runner up (and curious who their top scum reads are). Verb and myself have got a person each.

 

Following Ithi's direction, would be nice to get a little more discussion surrounding these two if trains start leading that way, or who else you'd want to start building a case against (do not want to force a direction against these two, but want to start narrowing things down). I would prefer to never have a situation like yesterday again now that we're past Day 1, so let's move together towards a limited set of options we can focus discussion on instead of randomly going in circles? And also so that we can pivot smartly in case claims become necessary, and do claims with enough time for people to make educated choices. There's no need for us to grind down to the deadline and then panic.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 10:22 PM, RandA lThor said:

I answered again in red below your blue responses

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lololol

 

I’m colorblind. Can’t see red to save my life. I have to memorize which square it is when I vote 🤣

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 10:50 PM, DPR said:

lololol

 

I’m colorblind. Can’t see red to save my life. I have to memorize which square it is when I vote 🤣

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Lmfaooo whoopsie-doodles, I'll bold next time

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 10:28 PM, RandA lThor said:

Editing the quote with their top scum reads/most likely to vote for if their top read is Dice.

 

Seems like DPR is the favorite to vote so far, with Tigs as the runner up (and curious who their top scum reads are). Verb and myself have got a person each.

 

Following Ithi's direction, would be nice to get a little more discussion surrounding these two if trains start leading that way, or who else you'd want to start building a case against (do not want to force a direction against these two, but want to start narrowing things down). I would prefer to never have a situation like yesterday again now that we're past Day 1, so let's move together towards a limited set of options we can focus discussion on instead of randomly going in circles? And also so that we can pivot smartly in case claims become necessary, and do claims with enough time for people to make educated choices. There's no need for us to grind down to the deadline and then panic.

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Pretty sure you posted this in the wrong chat. 
 

This is more of a buckle up baby Jesus, shit’s about to get bumpy kinda crowd. Just so you know. 

[Darthe]

This group is so much rowdier than the modern mafia team.  I love it.

[Tigraine]

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:09 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

which according to Tig was actually the scummiest move ever

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Just got off a 16 hour shift so I'm just catching up on what I've missed.  Probably gonna need to reply to stuff one by one because I don't have the capacity to remember all of what I wanted to say to each.

 

Where did i even imply that him pulling off of the Dice train was scummy?

 

I get that no one knew what Dice was soft claiming, I didn't either, but it was obvious he was soft claiming.  On Day 3, that wouldn't go over so well but on Day 1, I figure it would've been safest to go another direction.  

 

The things that stood out to me about Rand's behavior was the the one liner posts, a few of them, when it was literal minutes until EoD and anyone trying to hurry and see what was happening in those last minutes before voting or unvoting would have to wade through the crap.  He explained that he didn't know if he'd have service so fine on that.  Then, immediately after Dice claimed, he said something, and I'm paraphrasing, like "nice try, I don't believe it" then immediately switched his vote.  What doesn't make sense is why waste the time to type out a 2 or 3 sentence post saying he don't believe it instead of switching his vote and then proclaiming his issues with dice's claim.  Is it picking hairs, maybe, but putting the unnecessary one liners in connection with waiting until the last second to switch his vote, I feel that was an attempt to get someone jumping in last minute to go ahead and jump on Dice's train so it gets Dice lynched but then being able to say "well I unvoted him." 

 

The fact that he acted like it was absurd that anyone could find his behavior scummy was another layer to it.  I'm still not sure I understand his reasoning.

 

I saw that DPR asked this but I don't think I saw the answer, it was something I was curious about as well, why Verb? 

 

 

 

 

[Tigraine]

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:28 AM, dicetosser1 said:

Nope I didn’t and no he wasnt

 

i chose him because I didn’t like the way he was acting at eod and immediately after. 

 

 

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Oh okay.  I didn't see this.  What about the way he was acting seemed suspicious to you? 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:19 AM, Tigraine said:

Oh okay.  I didn't see this.  What about the way he was acting seemed suspicious to you? 

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Allow to me to answer for our esteemed Dice:

 

"cause he voted me and had bad raisins and then I didn't like how he looked at me - obv scum"

[Tigraine]

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:57 AM, DPR said:

Town needs to focus and simplify: 

 

I see no world where the mafia holstered - whoever said that is just trying to muddy the water. 
 

I see no world where the doc didn’t cover dice last night. Anyone suggesting this is just trying to muddy the water. 
 

I see no world where Towndice false claimed cop. That would run the risk of having the real cop cc, which would be a disaster.

 

These things are just common sense, no?  The mafia knows all of this. 
 

Given the above, I see no world where mafia doesn’t use their strongman shot to kill dice. 
 

That would mean mafiadice has false claimed  cop and the mafia team shot at someone that was either the hider, who was hiding, or the condemner, who’s bpv blocked the shot.

 

I’m open to having missed something, but the above just seems obvious. 

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How is it muddying the waters to state varying possibilities?  I get that too many theories in a basic game could do that but there are issues at play.  

 

Why waste killing a nullified cop? With a mafia RB, the cop is basically another vanilla townie.  All it does it take the RB ability out of play as well.  Basically there is no mafia RB and no cop.  

 

It's very possible the Doc has thought of this as well.  Protecting the cop is irrelevant if we can't utilize his ability. 

 

Honestly it's something I could see you figuring out back in the day and could 100% see you realizing that protecting the cop could be a waste.

 

Do I think it's a good idea? No, I believe it's best to protect the proclaimed cop but I don't see it as an aburd notion. 

[keyholder21]

Okay, @Verbal32, @Nynaeve & weirdly @DPR - I thought about this my entire commute home.  Where I'm at is that I think it would be too complicated for me to do as scum. I would never in a million years think to do it and I'm not even sure I would do it if I had a team egging me on to do it.  But, dice is not me and if I remove myself and my play from the situation, I can see where it is likely an easy call for someone who has more balls (figuratively and literally in this case if true lol) to make as scum who has been strung up.

[Darthe]

Zander has replaced Lenlo.  He is still responsible for vote counts lololololol