90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Though I suppose they would to stop him getting a red peek. Boo. 

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:48 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Wait. So if Dice was the hider, false claims cop then the mafia could have just wasted their Strongarm on an empty space, if they did not roleblock him? Have three players appeared grumpy today by any chance? 

 

It seems a bit complicated but lol. 

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Nope

 

Hider is a town role. No sane townie is going to false claim Cop because they run a terrible risk of the real Cop outing themselves cc’ing. And even if the real Cop doesn’t cc, as soon as the they do, the Hider will get lynched - nobody would buy a second reveal. 
 

Think man! 

[Darthe]

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:49 PM, RandA lThor said:

Order of operations for hider vs roleblocker. Do they hide before the roleblocker reaches them, so that they're able to always hide? Or does the roleblocker get the hider before they can hide, so that they're unable to hide. Sorry if there's a standard here that's always followed.

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I responded to this, if there are some questions about the condemner I’m missing please let me know.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:54 PM, Darthe said:

I responded to this, if there are some questions about the condemner I’m missing please let me know.

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is the Condemner trying to get their target lynched or just “hunting” them? There as a whole discussion yesterday - I gotta look back, but no time now 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:53 PM, DPR said:

Nope

 

Hider is a town role. No sane townie is going to false claim Cop because they run a terrible risk of the real Cop outing themselves cc’ing. And even if the real Cop doesn’t cc, as soon as the they do, the Hider will get lynched - nobody would buy a second reveal. 
 

Think man! 

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Dude, this is the one post of mine you don't respond to with a sarcky meme? Wow, I suddenly feel so included 😄

 

This whole thing is sketching me out big time. I'm missing something, I know I am. 

 

Everytime it seems you guys are splitting into opposing camps it stops. Cause of course the wolves are never going to openly be a group. 

 

The only things I have concrete are DPR lied about Marsh's "slip", Ithi feels unhelpful, and I wish Dice hadn't claimed. And to be fair I'm not certain on two of those. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:01 PM, DPR said:

is the Condemner trying to get their target lynched or just “hunting” them? There as a whole discussion yesterday - I gotta look back, but no time now 

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The condemner randomly picks someone as a night action, no need to lynch. 

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:44 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Because you know there is a real CC and Doc out there.  That's a complicated mess to get into on D1, imo. 

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I disagree. He was literally getting lynched. It was either laying down and dying or claiming. diceScum would have nothing to lose. It's  a low effort move to buy more time for his team and get the cop to maybe slip.

 

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:02 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The condemner randomly picks someone as a night action, no need to lynch. 

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Alrighty then. 
 

And you know this how? 

[Nynaeve]

It's not even like other situations of fake claiming where scum would have to make up convincing NAs and results. This is an open setup, all PRs and scum abilities are in the open. So he has an easy out of saying he was blocked and that is that.

 

It's actually pretty simple. And it's a no brainer of a decision to make when your neck is on the line. To support your scum buddies if nothing else.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:08 AM, Darthe said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So here's the thing.  Sometimes, when you're making up a mafia game on the fly because your ole pals have some weird aversion to cults or whatever, you see a new role.  And sometimes, when reading what that role is on the mafiascum wiki you maybe skim a bit, maybe read the sample role PM down at the bottom and misinterpret the night action from the example where they were also a role cop, normal stuff. 

So then it takes you like, until a bunch of your players point it out, to realize that you built the role to be a serial killer who's kills only go through if they hit the right *character* which you randomly selected pre-game, when it was supposed to be based on a lynch.

Anyhow, not that any of that would ever happen to me, but if it did that'd be real embarrassing and I also wouldn't be able to change it so we'd all have to live with it. 

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Because Stone Cold says so. Or Darthe, I forget which. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

@DPR that quote was for your perusal. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Bah, might make sense if you follow the quote to see quotes in it. Or you could have a look at Darthe's activity like I did, that would work too. 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:12 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Do we really have to resort to name calling? I thought we wanted to harken back to a time when Mafia was a battle of wits?

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I would honestly love to, but if someone's gonna troll when other's are trying to be serious, they need to be reminded of their place. It appears DPR's forgotten what his is, and has got a fun little unearned god complex going on, compiled on top of some blatant stupidity.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:24 PM, DPR said:

Sorry, I was on my scooter, on a train, going to a wedding, and I promised myself I would be disciplined enough to not get back online, but then I did, and now I just don’t know what to do. 

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It appears I'll have to break things down for you in simple terms. You responded here below at my 10:19 AM, when I had responded to your post at 10:13 AM. Then this attempt at a joke was posted at 11:24 AM. It is now 1:11 PM and you still have not responded to my points made above, despite posting multiple times after. It's tough when your stupidity is proven to your face in a way you can't challenge, but I'd like you to put on your big boy pants and give it a shot!

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:19 PM, DPR said:

So is my entire attitude. 
 

Im not claiming to be a prophet lol, I just sling sarcastic hash and the level of dumbass in this thread is astounding. 🤷‍♂️

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[keyholder21]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:44 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Here's how I'm looking at it, and I'll use Occam's Razor.

 

D1, I thought Dice was a little scummy, and by EOD I was willing to lynch him for it.  He claimed Cop.  The most obvious thing, if I was right, is that he fake claimed Cop as anybody in his place would do.  It's pretty standard procedure for a run-up scum player.

 

If I'm wrong, then Dice is town Cop and I apologize postgame for not fully believing.  I really don't think a "gambit" of Dice fake claiming as scum is that complicated.

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  On 4/23/2025 at 7:45 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Very true, but the alternative is getting lynched so it's just the right play to make.

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That doesn’t really strike me as standard scum play? I don’t think I’ve ever done that, at least. I follow that you think so, but the more I think about it, I just kinda doubt it.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:45 PM, DPR said:

That’s the entire point? 

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Why is that simpler than the cop just playing scummy beforehand and then claiming when they were on the line?  Not that understand the playing scummy beforehand.  

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:33 PM, keyholder21 said:

-Through all the back and forth with dice and DPR, I feel like Rand makes sense.  I also think his emotion and tone say frustrated town. I also think it's a good look that he is willing to admit he was wrong and then go into *detail* about how he changed his mind. I am confused about how he has Len as a town lean though? @RandA lThor - can you explain? 

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Honestly, Len might be the person I've spent the least time thinking about (sorry Len!), I missed him on my initial reads list 💀 Maybe I should be factoring in that initial cruise in more, but since the night, I think I've more or less agreed with most of his points, so it's kind of just there? Easy to be convinced either way on him if there are more salient points.

[Nynaeve]

@Lenlo sup?

@Tigraine sup?

@ed2funy sup?

 

give me your current reads. Top 3 and bottom 3 would do nicely. Reasoning would be appreciated.

 

Go get

[keyholder21]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:42 PM, DPR said:

I do, I have all game and this is another example of that. dice was going to die and he said the one thing that would save him. Doesn’t get any more simple than that. 
 

You seem distracted - I’m not judging, but maybe take some extra time reading. 

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I don't see how that's simpler than just the cop playing scummy beforehand and then claiming?  They are on par with each other at the very best.

 

I am very likely distracted.  I'm trying to do my best with the time I have :/.  Not that I would ever ask anyone to do work for me, but if anyone wants to pull quotes to help me better see what you are saying that would be great.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:09 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Because Stone Cold says so. Or Darthe, I forget which. 

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Hmmmm

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:47 PM, DPR said:

This is silly. Why are you going out of your way to avoid the obvious? 
 

It looks like a duck. It quacks like a duck. Sure, it could be Turin in a really cute easter outfit, but it’s not, because it’s a f’ing duck.  
 

But whatevs - hit me with your better explanation that moves the game forward. 

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Maybe if you responded to my points instead of only responding to the ones that allow you to weave around the point, you'd be able to get something through your skull.

 

You are arguing what you would do in a probablistic strategy. It is not proven optimal 100% of the time. Someone who calculates differently (the value of roleblocker being freed, the value of a suspicious non-cced cop in the game, etc.) can act differently. Not all mafia will act as you think. Unless you of course, are part of the mafia team and know how they're acting!

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:55 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

 

Never said lazy. Bad Key.

 

How many hours do we have left to discuss whether Dice is the cop or not?

 

I mean it is Day 2. I should be glad that the whole Thread isn't burning down.

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I'm down to discuss why DPR is scummy, can we move to that instead? I am also getting tired of re-iterating the same points on Dice to DPR, or even trying to convince him when I feel more and more confident he's scum.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:34 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Was it like that once? I think it was. Maybe it is again, but I've not seen anything anywhere near that since we fired back up.

 

So for me, seeing a Mafia team whack it out the park again would be legendary. And yeah it would be bad for Town and all but I'd be impressed.

 

 

 

We could vote on it?

 

Dice is probably Town Cop

 

1 - Ithi

 

Dice is probably Mafia Fake Claiming

 

0 - 

 

Not voting: Verbal, Nyn, Key, DPR, Turin, Heavy, Len, Ed, Tigs, Rand, Dice

 

But you know what, even if everyone voted, which they won't, we still wouldn't know for sure if Dice is really the Town cop or not. Because the only way to know that is for him to die.

 

Last night he was deep down in the dark null spots. Now I am waiting to see if he is ever going to get a list together.

 

I have not made a list today.

 

Pretty sure you can't read my mind.

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Vote: he's probably mafia fake claiming (not using his name just in case it switches the vote)

 

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:16 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

 

 

That doesn’t really strike me as standard scum play? I don’t think I’ve ever done that, at least. I follow that you think so, but the more I think about it, I just kinda doubt it.

 

 

Why is that simpler than the cop just playing scummy beforehand and then claiming when they were on the line?  Not that understand the playing scummy beforehand.  

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I get a bad feeling off this defense of Dice without, well, anything. Surely this whole post says exactly nothing on whether Dice is or is not fake claiming? 

 

I don't have a clue either but I can state it a bit more succinctly than that. 

 

So don't like how this day is shaping up. It seems each hour I am less certain of anything. Why can my top town read not act townie? So unfair. 

[RandA lThor]

Meeting brb

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:12 PM, RandA lThor said:

I would honestly love to, but if someone's gonna troll when other's are trying to be serious, they need to be reminded of their place. It appears DPR's forgotten what his is, and has got a fun little unearned god complex going on, compiled on top of some blatant stupidity.

 

It appears I'll have to break things down for you in simple terms. You responded here below at my 10:19 AM, when I had responded to your post at 10:13 AM. Then this attempt at a joke was posted at 11:24 AM. It is now 1:11 PM and you still have not responded to my points made above, despite posting multiple times after. It's tough when your stupidity is proven to your face in a way you can't challenge, but I'd like you to put on your big boy pants and give it a shot!

 

 

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[SinisterDeath]

@Darthe gave me the go ahead to post a follow up here regarding nested quotes. I just figured out how to do them properly.

 

Step 1. Highlight The Original quote + The Text, and click "Quote Selection".

 

Then as shown below, It'll auto nest for you.

 

This should alleviate any concerns with anyone accidently screwing up quoting the wrong post in the nest and getting accused of cheating via manipulating the text in their quotes.

 

That said, this method was only tested on Desktop, and It probably works like trash on your Mobile browser.

 

If you attempt it on your phone and it doesn't work, or you can't delete the quote, you may have to enable "desktop mode" in your browser in order to gain some functionality in DM's post editor.

 

And if DM is being particularly frustrating and won't delete a quote, if you have access to this button, , clicking that and deleting all the text in your post should delete it. Otherwise a "hard" reset is about the only thing you can do in your browser...

 

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:16 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

 

 

That doesn’t really strike me as standard scum play? I don’t think I’ve ever done that, at least. I follow that you think so, but the more I think about it, I just kinda doubt it.

 

 

Why is that simpler than the cop just playing scummy beforehand and then claiming when they were on the line?  Not that understand the playing scummy beforehand.  

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You're the one who thinks it's simpler and easier to believe scummy cop nearly getting mislynched and claiming... because the alternative would be such a complex scum ruse. all we're saying is its really not. 

 

Simply factor that in in your thought process, is all.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:16 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

 

 

That doesn’t really strike me as standard scum play? I don’t think I’ve ever done that, at least. I follow that you think so, but the more I think about it, I just kinda doubt it.

 

 

Why is that simpler than the cop just playing scummy beforehand and then claiming when they were on the line?  Not that understand the playing scummy beforehand.  

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Lol, you need a nap