90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Turin Turambar]

Ugh. I agreed with Ed?? 

Now I'm disappointed with myself.

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:33 AM, Turin Turambar said:

From yesterday? Did you just do one? I would have to go check if it isn't recent. 

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I was gonna go huh but I just figured out what you’re talking about. See the bit below this

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:34 AM, Turin Turambar said:

This was what I tried to quote. Is it recent?

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No from a few hours ago. Starts with let me try to explain iirc. I pile be like 1 or 2 pages back

 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:48 AM, Nynaeve said:

Hi guys

I skipped ahead just to see the opening day scene.

 

Can't catch up properly atm. My dad fell and is currently hospitalized... he's ok but pretty banged up. Orbital fracture, nasty swollen eye and some fractures in his right shoulder.

 

I will try to catch up to some extent later on when I'm done visiting with him. Make it a fun loving read and not migraine potential pls lol  

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hope your dad pulls up ok Nyn

 

hugs

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:57 AM, DPR said:

Town needs to focus and simplify: 

 

I see no world where the mafia holstered - whoever said that is just trying to muddy the water. 
 

I see no world where the doc didn’t cover dice last night. Anyone suggesting this is just trying to muddy the water. 
 

I see no world where Towndice false claimed cop. That would run the risk of having the real cop cc, which would be a disaster.

 

These things are just common sense, no?  The mafia knows all of this. 
 

Given the above, I see no world where mafia doesn’t use their strongman shot to kill dice. 
 

That would mean mafiadice has false claimed  cop and the mafia team shot at someone that was either the hider, who was hiding, or the condemner, who’s bpv blocked the shot.

 

I’m open to having missed something, but the above just seems obvious. 

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umm what?  And yes I agree this seems like a about face

 

it also feels like lead up

 

 

so go on….  You gonna try cc’ing me or not?

[dicetosser1]

Saying that it’s 11pm and I’m going o bed

 

if dpr ir anyone really is stupid enuff to try cc’ing me don’t go making rash decisions cause I ain’t lying or because I’m asleep

 

@Zander? remember you can’t vote so I can sleep safer!

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 12:18 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

This feels like an about face (though that could just be me) - or does this not affect your spat with Rand. If you think Dice is mafia, does that change your view on Rand's alignment?

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How is this an about face? And the points  I’ve made have nothing to do with Rand - they are just an effort to be clear. 
 

Town needs clarity to move forward effectively. I’ve put some very basic views out there and it’s up to you to decide if you agree or not, but this should be based on logic - not what-ifs or personal feelings. 

[Zander?]

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:48 AM, Nynaeve said:

Hi guys

I skipped ahead just to see the opening day scene.

 

Can't catch up properly atm. My dad fell and is currently hospitalized... he's ok but pretty banged up. Orbital fracture, nasty swollen eye and some fractures in his right shoulder.

 

I will try to catch up to some extent later on when I'm done visiting with him. Make it a fun loving read and not migraine potential pls lol  

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Hope everything's ok Nyn ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ 

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 12:34 PM, Turin Turambar said:

You lack vision. Just because you cant see it, doesn't mean it cant be. People play hunches on NAs all the time. The best players frequently don't follow the playbook.

 

I said it. I don't think that acknowledging all options is  muddying the waters. I stated the possibility but essentially dismissed it immediately. 

The doc not covering Dice is not so clear. Maybe the doc doesn't believe Dice or didn't think they could stop the Strongman. Maybe the mafia flat out didn't believe him, because if thats the case then they wouldn't have shot at him. You are sounding like salty mafia your kill didn't go through for some reason you dont understand. 

Your conclusion that Dice is mafia faking cop means there is a real Cop out there probably with some sort of a result as it would be blind luck for mafia to have blocked them. 

 

This whole post by you is one big steaming pile of WIFOM. 

 

I had high hopes and now I’m crushed.

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Think about what you just said… 

 

I lack vision. Do you really believe that? 
 

Hunches, what-ifs, speculation and everything else is always going to muddy the water. 
 

Don’t talk yourself out of making sense. I’ve put my views on the table. You can see them however you like, but I challenge you to say any of them isn’t likely and tell me what outcome is more likely. 
 

Leave your childish ways behind. Go with what makes sense and let that be a foundation to build on. Mafia 101 here. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/23/2025 at 12:52 PM, DPR said:

How is this an about face? And the points  I’ve made have nothing to do with Rand - they are just an effort to be clear. 
 

Town needs clarity to move forward effectively. I’ve put some very basic views out there and it’s up to you to decide if you agree or not, but this should be based on logic - not what-ifs or personal feelings. 

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Just as well I don't have any personal feelings then.

 

From your previous interactions with Rand, I was getting the feeling that you were supporting Dice as the Cop making a valid claim, and that Rand was being scummy in response. Does not the way that anyone looks at Rand's response switch diametrically if we assume Dice is mafia false claiming or actually the cop? Because Rand as mafia would know if Dice is false claiming or not, and would presumably be in on it. 

 

So you're saying that your interaction with Rand was regardless of whether Dice's claim was real or not? That seems difficult for me to process - surely that would have a huge impact on people's expectations? 

 

You have really upset my applecart of thoughts regarding this game just when I was getting it in order. So mean. Must be a wolf really, lol.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 12:36 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Ugh. I agreed with Ed?? 

Now I'm disappointed with myself.

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You should be. Ed has contributed nothing. Until he decides to contribute reasons and actually play, he’s a blank slot. 

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 12:47 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

I was gonna go huh but I just figured out what you’re talking about. See the bit below this

 

 

No from a few hours ago. Starts with let me try to explain iirc. I pile be like 1 or 2 pages back

 

 

 

 

hope your dad pulls up ok Nyn

 

hugs

 

 

 

umm what?  And yes I agree this seems like a about face

 

it also feels like lead up

 

 

so go on….  You gonna try cc’ing me or not?

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No cc from me. Just basic logic. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Right. Here's where I'm at. I still have 2 cases left to do today but 2 hours to do them in. In the spoiler you will find my thoughts and rambles from catching up.

 

I agree, from having to read though all that that most of today has been discussing what could have happened. The simple answer is we don't know. There are two many variables. It's not gonna help us find out who is Mafia to talk about night action theories. We should consider this a groundhog day, with one confirmed dead town and play like it is Day 1. Use people's posts and read lists and stuff, but we don't need to know what happened.

 

@ed2funy can you give me a list of most Town down to most Mafia please. And the reasons why you think they are Town/Mafia pls

 

I am uncomfortable with your pop up vote. 

 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade if you have a suggestion for solving if Dice is cop or not please let me know. As it is, I'm gonna work as though he is and not get distracted.

 

@RandA lThor I don't think it's ever a good look to say 'everyone on x' lynch is suss apart from me. Especially when you are the one who seems most excited about it being a Mafia plot. Apart from being on that Lynch, what reasons do you have for me, Key and dpr specifically. 

 

Here are the rambles

 

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the mafia maybe tried to kill dice and the doc protected them, but says that’s daft cos they wouldn’t need to try and kill him if he was roleblocked and they could have used the strongman and got him dead for sure. He thinks Rand can help with this?

 

Pop up Edward post

 

A wild Tigs appears and tells Rand to quit it with his knock off phrases about being the Towniest Town or he’s gonna get a copyright strike (hello Zander)

 

Tigs says, in response to DPR pondering why Dice would be roleblocked that it was to , ‘maybe convince us to lynch our cop?’ Here’s the thing. I think No Result is pretty much the standard answer when an info role is blocked. DPR knows this. I’m pretty sure Dice would know it, so I’m not sure why he was being all coy about it. I think DPR should wanted all the who was checked AND the result at the same time and Dice was being weirdly cautious.

 

Tigs maintains mafia roleblocking Dice would mean we wouldn’t believe he was Town and so we’d lynch him and then lynch Rand the next day. I’ve never been ok with these domino line ups of future lynches. Everything always changes when end of day and end of night happens. I don’t like to voteception suggestions. And I can’t play chess.

 

Rand makes an excellent point about the Doc now being able to be the cop, cos ‘if whoever they protect doesn’t die then they must be Town?’ Apart from no. The doc doesn’t know who the mafia targeted so they don’t know if they saved them or not. Also maybe the Doc is mistaken about who is Town and protects a mafia. There is also the BVP on the condemn dude and the Hider in that mix too. Whoever the doc is needs to get that bright idea put out of their head.

 

Rand is saying changing his vote is a very Town thing and if Dice says that’s scummy then Dice is scummy. I’m not gonna put words in Dice mouth hear, but I’m pretty sure he feels like a non counter claimed Cop is a Town thing, and you not believing him is scummy. I don’t think there’s very much to be gained by batting ‘most scummy award’ about. Repeating previous reasons over and over is not building a stronger case. Also why all this effort on Dice, if you feel you’ve already found a Mafia in DPR?

 

Tigs says mafia would bother with the strongman kill on Dice when roleblocking him causes more confusion. That’s kind of true, so we’re kind of replying Day 1, but we do have more info this time because we have 1 confirmed Town dead person.

 

Pop up Ed post asking why people can’t just say what they think. Votes DPR without saying what he thinks.

 

I agree with Verb that it would be easier to just block Dice, who has claimed cop, and try to kill a random.  Excluding Dice, that’s 1 in 8? Apart from two of those 8 can’t be killed cos they’ve either cos a vest on or they’re hiding. And the doc is in the mix too they could have selected the same player as the mafia. There’s probably people that can work out the numbers, not me though.

 

Turin does analysis and says there are corrections to be made to Dice’s replay of the last lynch votes. Disagrees that voting for a out of scope player, and then last minute changing to prevent a random lynch is the Towniest Town thing ever.

 

Heavy asks for clarification on what mods will and wont allow. No direct quoting from the PM. Retyping or paraphrasing is fine. Again it’s to stop people saying ‘behold the post of the mod which proves what I say is true’. But results are generally given in a standard way so I’m not sure what the big hooha was all about.

 

Rand still thinks he’s a hero. So I’m gonna sound out what he has been saying. He is unhappy that I thinks it’s very likely Dice is the Town Cop. He says yes but mafia plan! I say any plan would involve more than just Dice. Rand holds of untying the vote… or doesn’t vote one of the trains. It all seems a bit close to call. Anyways at the last second he votes Marsh. Marsh is dead Town and Dice is alive possible Town Cop. Rand then starts saying no mafia though, maybe mafias though. Dude you are not thinking your own things through. Let’s say we lynch Dice. Either Dice is mafia and you will once again be the hero and outed him with your warnings of plans – which will make me think you were part of the damn plan so you could get Town cred and I will want you dead next. Or Dice is the Town cop and we’ll have lynched our Town cop and I will want you dead because you strongly advocated for lynching Dice. So, either it’s you who are tunnelling town who wants everyone else to see what is so plainly clear to him, or you are a mafia mastermind genius lol. Note neither of those options places you as a hero so you need to get over it.

 

Agree with Rands thoughts on the Ed pop up vote.

 

Dice again with the worry about quoting from the PM. Again you can’t QUOTE but you can type out what they say – because back in the day you could tell when things had been copied and pasted and a quote would have Darthe’s name on it.

 

Heavy still thinks Dice is most likely mafia. He would like us to resolve it. Could you please explain how you would resolve it?

 

OH… Rand realises that using Doc and a cop is garbage. Yay!

 

Rand would like DPR, me or key to be lynched today because we were on Marsh’s Train. **go back here and check who was on it** He’d like to discount himself cos he’s obviously so town and his vote is not Alignment Indicative - and Dice, who he thinks is untouchable – despite spending the better part of all that I read to say how he thinks Dice is dodgy?

 

Rand has his prob town list which I’m mostly ok with with. But then says he’s fine with Ed and his pop up vote?

 

Dice goes though what might have happened for Heavy and seems legit.

 

Various posts about what might have happened last night but I’m almost caught up now.

 

OH Ed pops up again and explains reason for DPR vote. Reason is DPR has a narrative

 

Turin turns on DPR and is not angry, just disappointed

 

 

 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/22/2025 at 2:02 AM, Darthe said:

Marsh (5/7): Ithi, Wes, Key, Dice, Rand

Dice (3/7): Nyn, Turin, Marsh

Heavy (1/7): Lenlo

Wes (1/7): Heavy

 

Not Voting: Verb, Ed, Tig

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Lol forgot to do this in my rambles, even though I'd left myself a reminder.

 

@RandA lThorI'm still comfortable with my reasons for voting Marsh. As far as I was concerned he was mafia. I'm sorry he wasn't. You strongly believed Dice was/is Mafia. The people who are/were on Dice train believe/believed he was mafia. I think you even tied the vote at one point.

 

If his cop claim is true then all those people also voted for a Town and theres probably a mafia in there too. 

 

Shocker.

[ed2funy]

  On 4/23/2025 at 12:36 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Ugh. I agreed with Ed?? 

Now I'm disappointed with myself.

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I’m wounded. Truthfully. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:32 PM, ed2funy said:

I’m wounded. Truthfully. 

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I'm disappointed with both of you

[ed2funy]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:00 PM, DPR said:

You should be. Ed has contributed nothing. Until he decides to contribute reasons and actually play, he’s a blank slot. 

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Ignoring anything I said while being hypocritical - making a few posts and then mostly posting about rum and gifs fighting verb before you go and try to make stupid ASSertations. 
Yeah, I’m comfortable here. 

[DPR]

Two things for the record: 

 

1. Again, I’m not cc’ing dice. 
2. I’m not suggesting we lynch dice today. 
 

I feel it will be much more safe and productive to watch how he moves forward, how people interact with him and what reactions might change as he knows he’s being watched. 
 

Last, I found a reread of page 32 of this thread to be most interesting. 

[ed2funy]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:21 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

 

@ed2funy can you give me a list of most Town down to most Mafia please. And the reasons why you think they are Town/Mafia pls

 

I am uncomfortable with your pop up vote. 

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it wasn’t a pop up vote. I’ve been seeing and disliking his posts and indicating this for awhile. 
 

anyway, at the ER for my road trip buddy so I’ll try to start a list while I’m waiting for her. But I don’t think it’s gonna be a list like y’all want. Cause for example, I don’t have thoughts on Lenlo and Tigs. They’re neutral to me. Most people are neutral and haven’t stood out to lean either way

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:39 PM, ed2funy said:

Ignoring anything I said while being hypocritical - making a few posts and then mostly posting about rum and gifs fighting verb before you go and try to make stupid ASSertations. 
Yeah, I’m comfortable here. 

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Blank. Slot. 
 

Get in the game or be treated like the antagonistic player you’ve been so far. 
 

Multiple people have asked you for reads, a wtl list, or simple reasons for doing what you’ve done. You’ve refused all of them. Blank slot. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:42 PM, DPR said:

Last, I found a reread of page 32 of this thread to be most interesting. 

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Can you not just say it? It's hard to guess what might be there or not there and I've already done a lot of reading today.

 

If it's an important interesting thing why not just say it?

 

You were so noisy at night and now all quiet again 😞

[ed2funy]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:45 PM, DPR said:

Blank. Slot. 
 

Get in the game or be treated like the antagonistic player you’ve been so far. 
 

Multiple people have asked you for reads, a wtl list, or simple reasons for doing what you’ve done. You’ve refused all of them. Blank slot. 

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Lazy framing. I’ve been giving my thoughts in most of my posts. I’m just not writing paragraphs for every thought. 
 

again, hypocritical with the antagonistic comment. 13% of your posts are just “wow” or “omfg” with no thoughts. 
 

keep going DPR

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:00 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

This seems a bit sus (you can follow the quote to see full context). Dice was leading 5/4. Then Rand votes DPR (so now 4/4) then Verb UNVOTES as above in Dice's commentary. So the trains aren't tied and it had nothing to do with Verb. 

 

We're not talking about Zander here so why the issue basic arithmetic that is being used to throw shade on Verb? 

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Because although I've admitted it's possible Dice is the Cop, in my gut I'm super sus on him still.

 

 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 10:51 AM, Turin Turambar said:

Are you so sure Verb is town? I'm certainly not. He's used bad logic imo. He flat out lied about me defending ithi excessively. He has apparently ignored several people making one of his supposed mafia tells, or at least hasn't taken notice of them.

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Feel free to point out where you think I used bad logic.

 

I didn't lie - you guys defend each other a ton.  If I mixed up this game and it was the other way around, so be it.

 

And trust me, I noticed - but multiple people have done it, they aren't also my WTL, which means clearly some or all is genuine.  I'll use it to attack when I have nothing else - this game, I have other stuff to focus on.  But it did NOT go unnoticed.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:48 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Can you not just say it? It's hard to guess what might be there or not there and I've already done a lot of reading today.

 

If it's an important interesting thing why not just say it?

 

You were so noisy at night and now all quiet again 😞

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I am busy lol, so less time to post. 
 

As for the reread, I’d rather people read it and make their own observations. Not trying to be enigmatic, just fair. 

[Verbal32]

@DPR

 

You have been super inconsistent this game.  Right now you're even keel, but yesterday you were acting like an overstimulated child.

 

And now you seem to be coming around to the same mindset I've had all game.  It feels super weird.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:50 PM, DPR said:

I am busy lol, so less time to post. 
 

As for the reread, I’d rather people read it and make their own observations. Not trying to be enigmatic, just fair. 

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I'll go check now.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:48 PM, ed2funy said:

Lazy framing. I’ve been giving my thoughts in most of my posts. I’m just not writing paragraphs for every thought. 
 

again, hypocritical with the antagonistic comment. 13% of your posts are just “wow” or “omfg” with no thoughts. 
 

keep going DPR

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Moving forward, I’m ignoring you until you start to play. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:49 PM, Verbal32 said:

If I mixed up this game and it was the other way around, so be it.

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It was me.