90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[dicetosser1]

Reason?

[dicetosser1]

Oh and @Verbal32I meant that to include why NOT heavy or marsh as well as why me

 

[Lenlo]

  On 4/21/2025 at 5:18 PM, Ironeyes said:

Doesn't matter, you'll outlive me. When Heavy flips scum, I'll be tomorrow's lynch. When I flip town, people will look at you with much greater suspicion. 

 

Correct. 

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First time I read this, it honestly felt like setting up lynches, but it all hinges on heavy flipping scum so its like... Is it setting up lynches or drawing connections?

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 5:32 PM, Ironeyes said:

Tonal whiplash. Reading the thread straight through this morning, without having to jump back and forth between this game and holiday celebrations, it's much more noticeable that Heavy flips between aggressive and reasonable too fast. He's also sussing everyone who susses him like clockwork.

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This makes sense to me, and is part of what caught my attention with Heavy to begin with

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 5:36 PM, Ironeyes said:

When I flip town, people will look at Key with greater suspicion. The chain of causality goes like this: 

Heavy  dies and is mafia.

Therefore Iron, who everyone believes is defending Heavy, and who recently flipped on him (which is easily interpreted as turning because he's doomed) must be a teammate.

Iron dies and is town. 

Knowing that, Key, who defended Heavy while sussing Iron for defending Heavy and pushing that narrative forward, looks like a manipulative mafia member. She dies next. 

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I really dont understand this. Why would we lynch you if Heavy flipped wolf when you've spent most of the day pushing him? Like sure, you could call it a bus or whatever at this point, but any wolf team that's bussing a teammate into the grave D1 is uh... not going to win probably.

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 6:28 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

 

Your top post there is towards Heavy and Turin, and you suggest potential scummates.

 

Then your bottom post just votes the person calling Heavy scum, and maybe even Turin as well (not sure if that's what Marsh was saying.....).

 

Do you often vote for people who sus the same people as you?

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I was chill with DPR for a bit, thought he was makin sense, but this is a good callout from Verb.

 

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:31 AM, Verbal32 said:

Vote:  Dice

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I dont understand where this came from? I feel like there's been little conversation about Dice today?

 

Sorry for slow, was caught up painting.

 

All in all, I'm still content with my vote on Heavy, ngl. I'm more willing to test Marsh's theory and see where it goes for a day than shut down a potentially active and engaged towny D1, and Heavy was setting me off before anyways.

[ed2funy]

  On 4/21/2025 at 1:02 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Just less then 8 hours from now. 

 

Pirates should be better at time zones, lol

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Been busy with business stuff and work and packing for JordanCon.
Trying to catch up before eod, so for now: 

 

Unvote

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count

 

Marsh (3/7): Ithi, Wes, Key

Dice (3/7): Nyn, Turin, Verb

Heavy (2/7): Lenlo, Marsh

Rand (1/7): Dice

Wes (1/7): Heavy

 

Not Voting: Verb, Ed, Rand, Tig

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

count down to hammer time

 

Just over an hour to end of day.

[keyholder21]

Here for a min while the kids are occupied.

 

@Ironeyes - So I'm scum because of something that you think happened on like page 7?  What about all the other posts and interactions since then??

 

@dicetosser1 - Yes, I did ask for reads, but it feels weird that you had to be asked without giving them.  Also, irt your feelings on Nyn, it's not that you gave it, it's that it was overexaggerated, imo.  Like a gut feel is stated as a gut feel, not with five posts explaining why. Re: rand and us both having him scummy - and?? I do like your question to IE re: why is he tomorrow's lynch though.

 

@RandA lThor It's not worthless to say Ithi is null to you, but that's not what you said in your original post. I also still don't follow your "less chance" explanation. I don't like your explanation of your removal of your Nyn vote, because where was there any steam on her whatsoever?  It still looks nervous to me and this explanation does not make it any better.  Last paragraph looks like a teammate giving yourself an out re: your read of dice.

 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade - Doesn't seem to be the passion in this that was there early game?  What happened to whining like a B*tch??  Another weird switch of personality.

 

@ed2funy - anything useful to add???

 

@Verbal32 - Snarky! But that's a good point re: having IE as mafia in both scenarios.  I think her original post said something about him possibly being town, but it's weird that she wouldn't bring it back up here.

 

I don't hate the dice vote. I could be persuaded.

[RandA lThor]

Holy I am remaining caught up for the rest of this game, that re-read was not fun lmfao, that took so long.

 

Ok starting off with a color-based spectrum of reads and I'll explain more as I go, will be on the train back home soon and can purely focus on the game

 

Dice, DPR, Ed

Heavy, Tigraine

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Ithi, Key, Marsh

Turin, Verbal

Nynaeve

[keyholder21]

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:51 AM, keyholder21 said:

Here for a min while the kids are occupied.

 

@Ironeyes - So I'm scum because of something that you think happened on like page 7?  What about all the other posts and interactions since then??

 

@dicetosser1 - Yes, I did ask for reads, but it feels weird that you had to be asked without giving them.  Also, irt your feelings on Nyn, it's not that you gave it, it's that it was overexaggerated, imo.  Like a gut feel is stated as a gut feel, not with five posts explaining why. Re: rand and us both having him scummy - and?? I do like your question to IE re: why is he tomorrow's lynch though.

 

@RandA lThor It's not worthless to say Ithi is null to you, but that's not what you said in your original post. I also still don't follow your "less chance" explanation. I don't like your explanation of your removal of your Nyn vote, because where was there any steam on her whatsoever?  It still looks nervous to me and this explanation does not make it any better.  Last paragraph looks like a teammate giving yourself an out re: your read of dice.

 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade - Doesn't seem to be the passion in this that was there early game?  What happened to whining like a B*tch??  Another weird switch of personality.

 

@ed2funy - anything useful to add???

 

@Verbal32 - Snarky! But that's a good point re: having IE as mafia in both scenarios.  I think her original post said something about him possibly being town, but it's weird that she wouldn't bring it back up here.

 

I don't hate the dice vote. I could be persuaded.

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Dang it, stupid phone, hit enter too soon.  @Verbal32 - I don't hate it and could be persuaded, but what's your reason?

[DPR]

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:30 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

Is there some rule I don't remember that says I must have a vote placed before the DL at a certain time?  I did say I'd be back before DL.  If I returned, continued to pressure/case/whatever, and didn't vote - THEN you have something to tweak me on.

 

But you still ignored my point - you are not considering that you could be wrong and Marsh could be town.  You gave only 2 options, and both have him as scum.  That doesn't seem like townie behavior to me.

 

*shrug*

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  On 4/22/2025 at 12:31 AM, Verbal32 said:

Vote:  Dice

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  On 4/22/2025 at 12:31 AM, Verbal32 said:

2 trains at 3 - I'm going to watch the latest episode of The Last of Us, and then I'll be back - about an hour.

 

Don't burn the place down.

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Wow

 

Skidibiyolo after all, eh? 
 

Shameless

[Ironeyes]

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:47 AM, Lenlo said:

First time I read this, it honestly felt like setting up lynches, but it all hinges on heavy flipping scum so its like... Is it setting up lynches or drawing connections?

 

This makes sense to me, and is part of what caught my attention with Heavy to begin with

 

I really dont understand this. Why would we lynch you if Heavy flipped wolf when you've spent most of the day pushing him? Like sure, you could call it a bus or whatever at this point, but any wolf team that's bussing a teammate into the grave D1 is uh... not going to win probably.

 

I was chill with DPR for a bit, thought he was makin sense, but this is a good callout from Verb.

 

 

I dont understand where this came from? I feel like there's been little conversation about Dice today?

 

Sorry for slow, was caught up painting.

 

All in all, I'm still content with my vote on Heavy, ngl. I'm more willing to test Marsh's theory and see where it goes for a day than shut down a potentially active and engaged towny D1, and Heavy was setting me off before anyways.

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That chain of causality is outdated tbh. It relies on people thinking I'm teammates with Heavy, which I don't think the majority believe any more. Now, it's more likely that I get vindicated and partially cleared by a Heavy flip.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:51 AM, keyholder21 said:

Here for a min while the kids are occupied.

 

@Ironeyes - So I'm scum because of something that you think happened on like page 7?  What about all the other posts and interactions since then??

 

@dicetosser1 - Yes, I did ask for reads, but it feels weird that you had to be asked without giving them.  Also, irt your feelings on Nyn, it's not that you gave it, it's that it was overexaggerated, imo.  Like a gut feel is stated as a gut feel, not with five posts explaining why. Re: rand and us both having him scummy - and?? I do like your question to IE re: why is he tomorrow's lynch though.

 

@RandA lThor It's not worthless to say Ithi is null to you, but that's not what you said in your original post. I also still don't follow your "less chance" explanation. I don't like your explanation of your removal of your Nyn vote, because where was there any steam on her whatsoever?  It still looks nervous to me and this explanation does not make it any better.  Last paragraph looks like a teammate giving yourself an out re: your read of dice.

 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade - Doesn't seem to be the passion in this that was there early game?  What happened to whining like a B*tch??  Another weird switch of personality.

 

@ed2funy - anything useful to add???

 

@Verbal32 - Snarky! But that's a good point re: having IE as mafia in both scenarios.  I think her original post said something about him possibly being town, but it's weird that she wouldn't bring it back up here.

 

I don't hate the dice vote. I could be persuaded.

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You have yet to address anything I said about you in a substantive manner.

[DPR]

@Darthe is this bastard game or no

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:51 AM, keyholder21 said:

@RandA lThor It's not worthless to say Ithi is null to you, but that's not what you said in your original post. I also still don't follow your "less chance" explanation. I don't like your explanation of your removal of your Nyn vote, because where was there any steam on her whatsoever?  It still looks nervous to me and this explanation does not make it any better.  Last paragraph looks like a teammate giving yourself an out re: your read of dice.

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You're right, but I misspoke by saying null. I was trying to say that Ithi was saying things that seemed to have some intentionality behind it (AI I guess?), but I couldn't determine the root of that intentionality. And that early in the game, I don't think that's worthless either? If I continued fence sitting for a long time saying those types of things, sure, but not all indecision is bad/should be avoided.

 

Less chance meaning that right now there's a 3/13 (23% chance) that probabalistically some rando is mafia. Based on my read of the dynamics between Dice, Ironeyes, and Heavy, I think there is mafia influencing the conversation, and if that's true, it would mean that one of them has at least a 33% chance of being mafia picked at random. Thus it would make more sense to vote out of that pool

 

I'm super confused on why you think my removal of my joke vote on Nyn is even worthy of mentioning. Can you explain what you think a normal town would do with a joke vote once the game started getting serious?

 

Idk what to say about Dice haha, that's my honest read. Sure if you think I'm mafia, then you'd see it as an out, but obv that in of itself isn't relevant to whether I'm mafia or not.

[RandA lThor]

Have to go for a bit, work issue, should be back on in 20 hopefully

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:31 AM, Verbal32 said:

  On 4/22/2025 at 12:51 AM, keyholder21 said:

Here for a min while the kids are occupied.

 

@Ironeyes - So I'm scum because of something that you think happened on like page 7?  What about all the other posts and interactions since then??

 

@dicetosser1 - Yes, I did ask for reads, but it feels weird that you had to be asked without giving them.  Also, irt your feelings on Nyn, it's not that you gave it, it's that it was overexaggerated, imo.  Like a gut feel is stated as a gut feel, not with five posts explaining why. Re: rand and us both having him scummy - and?? I do like your question to IE re: why is he tomorrow's lynch though.

 

@RandA lThor It's not worthless to say Ithi is null to you, but that's not what you said in your original post. I also still don't follow your "less chance" explanation. I don't like your explanation of your removal of your Nyn vote, because where was there any steam on her whatsoever?  It still looks nervous to me and this explanation does not make it any better.  Last paragraph looks like a teammate giving yourself an out re: your read of dice.

 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade - Doesn't seem to be the passion in this that was there early game?  What happened to whining like a B*tch??  Another weird switch of personality.

 

@ed2funy - anything useful to add???

 

@Verbal32 - Snarky! But that's a good point re: having IE as mafia in both scenarios.  I think her original post said something about him possibly being town, but it's weird that she wouldn't bring it back up here.

 

I don't hate the dice vote. I could be persuaded.

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you shouldn’t be

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 1:00 AM, RandA lThor said:

You're right, but I misspoke by saying null. I was trying to say that Ithi was saying things that seemed to have some intentionality behind it (AI I guess?), but I couldn't determine the root of that intentionality. And that early in the game, I don't think that's worthless either? If I continued fence sitting for a long time saying those types of things, sure, but not all indecision is bad/should be avoided.

 

Less chance meaning that right now there's a 3/13 (23% chance) that probabalistically some rando is mafia. Based on my read of the dynamics between Dice, Ironeyes, and Heavy, I think there is mafia influencing the conversation, and if that's true, it would mean that one of them has at least a 33% chance of being mafia picked at random. Thus it would make more sense to vote out of that pool

 

I'm super confused on why you think my removal of my joke vote on Nyn is even worthy of mentioning. Can you explain what you think a normal town would do with a joke vote once the game started getting serious?

 

Idk what to say about Dice haha, that's my honest read. Sure if you think I'm mafia, then you'd see it as an out, but obv that in of itself isn't relevant to whether I'm mafia or not.

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what is that last paragraph even saying?

[Darthe]

  On 4/22/2025 at 1:00 AM, DPR said:

@Darthe is this bastard game or no

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nah, got that one saved for a rainy day

[keyholder21]

@Ironeyes - didn't know I had to directly respond to you in order for your read to change? Like, I've posted a bunch of thoughts in thread in the last 15 pages. 

 

I had to go earlier and now I'm on my phone. Hit me with it and I'll respond best I can ATM. I've got a couple of minutes.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 1:05 AM, dicetosser1 said:

you shouldn’t be

 

 

what is that last paragraph even saying?

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I think key was saying that I'm sussing Dice as a way to throw shade at another "teammate" and thinks that we're both scum.

 

I'm saying that it's not reasoning that can be used to determine my alignment, since that logic only works if I'm already scum, and if I'm town then it's a normal read (that she agrees with).

[RandA lThor]

Also in terms of voting implications between the multi-vote trains right now, my order is definitely Dice, then Heavy, then Marsh right now. I can explain more of my reasoning in detail, but for both my town and scum reads, I feel like there are a lot of illogical cases accusing people of being scum (Heavy talking style, people inactivity, joke votes, etc.) and while some of these people could be town, and I just disagree with their reasoning, some are probably scum

[Ironeyes]

  On 4/22/2025 at 1:07 AM, keyholder21 said:

@Ironeyes - didn't know I had to directly respond to you in order for your read to change? Like, I've posted a bunch of thoughts in thread in the last 15 pages. 

 

I had to go earlier and now I'm on my phone. Hit me with it and I'll respond best I can ATM. I've got a couple of minutes.

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You haven't so much as claimed you weren't defending Heavy in the posts I quoted. But now you're acting like you've had him as scum all along. We can't both be right. 

[keyholder21]

  On 4/22/2025 at 1:14 AM, Ironeyes said:

You haven't so much as claimed you weren't defending Heavy in the posts I quoted. But now you're acting like you've had him as scum all along. We can't both be right. 

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I was stating how *I* was reading him. That's different than defense.

 

Second sentence is a straight misrep. How about you read the rest of the posts I've made?? I'm not acting like I had him as scum all along. I have said why and when I now have him as a scum lean. 

[Ironeyes]

  On 4/22/2025 at 1:23 AM, keyholder21 said:

I was stating how *I* was reading him. That's different than defense.

 

Second sentence is a straight misrep. How about you read the rest of the posts I've made?? I'm not acting like I had him as scum all along. I have said why and when I now have him as a scum lean. 

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That's the first time you've said anything either way. And how is that different from what I was doing, which you called a defense?

[dicetosser1]

Can we get an update to day cv plz @Darthe

[dicetosser1]

VC even

[RandA lThor]

Omg, finally, all caught up, and can fully focus on the game (albeit on my phone).

 

Scum Reads - Dice, DPR, Ed

 

TL;DRs:

 

Dice - Stretch in reasoning to call me scum after Id placed him in a sus group of 3, which isn't even that big of an accusation

 

DPR - Bad reasoning takes imo in the past ~24 hours and discussions with Verbal, iirc had to do with some activity-based logic, though this is a good sign I should take notes during my re-read

 

Ed - Largest comment to actually useful investigation ratio (meaning not many useful tidbits). Seems like he's enjoying the show and waiting for some inno to get lynched. If this read is true, less likely that Dice is scum ig.

 

Heavy, Tigraine

 

Heavy - Super hard to place, and I was originally more on him being town (and I think the whole tonal switch thing is bs, why would he be putting that much work into speaking differently?? Seems like an easy way to shoot yourself in the foot, which is what happened). However, I do agree that you can't ignore the defensiveness and large reactions the more I read. Would put him neutral if I left that option for myself, but more out of confusion. Also there are enough town vibes to me now that someone who's not giving them is automatically in the potential scum side

 

Tigraine - Do not think the activity thing is a big deal, it was a special weekend (also did anyone here 4/20 it up haha, I thought thatd be another reason people were gone, but idk how many ppl here partake). Anyways, I didn't get anything of substance from her analysis, so she's also in the not giving town vibes, hence on the scum suspect side

 

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Ithi, Key, Marsh

 

Ithi & Key - Giving good searching for clues vibes, as well as the "clueless" energy that you get if you aren't mafia

 

Marsh - Mainly coded in the Marsh and Key back and forth feeling like town on town conflict, and agreeing with his reasoning re: Heavy and giving him some grace as a new guy on DM and not understanding playstyles? Was surprised it wasn't done more

 

Turin, Verbal

 

Turin & Verbal - Logical thinking that aligns with my own consistently

 

Nynaeve - Honestly scared that she gives me the most town cuz she hasn't done anything so big that's a "clearing" type action, and while I agree with her reasoning overall, I don't think its anything special. All that being said, gut feel on how she reacts, analyses, etc  is pure town and it seems a lot of others agree. But she could also just be flexing her acting chops. Still, my strongest town read.

[RandA lThor]

Dice Im leaning towards voting for you, which might tip the balance, and I have 15 minutes left before I leave my train. Talk to me, can you respond to what Ive said about you, and besides me obviously, who are your strongest scum reads