Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

Verbal32 · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 4:05 PM, seph said:

Look at how powerful town has been.
IC, Doctor with a vig??? , Watcher, neighbor x1 role block, cop(if you believe Turin) and you really think that we have town neighbors both with extra abilities???
Look at the mafia roles we have had so far. A messenger( which I don't see the usefulness of this game) and a vote stealer. I am by no means versed enough to be able to game this game but adding another T neighbor to this mix seems overkill.

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So that means only 1 mafia team has a neighbor and not the other? If you're trying to compare power levels, this won't work as you're kinda making my point for me here.

Also, my 1x ability is not an active one. I would prefer not to get into it more than that.

seph · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 1:24 PM, Verbal32 said:

You are not paying enough attention to Gud. DPR had her as his #1 sus, and now we know his thought process was townie.

I was letting her skate by after sussing her D1 with the "feigned ignorance" bit, and I haven't really seen anything since then. She's played super safe and never stuck her neck out.

I'm strongly leaning towards Gud today. I still had seph as a scum lean, and now that Key is town....I feel worse about that post of his I didn't like D1.

As for Dice, he's there as part of the POE, similar to what DPR had said before he died.

Obv Gud/seph/Dice is the POE for me here, knowing everybody else is town.

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I Think I read this backwards when I was reading through.

On 4/10/2025 at 5:07 PM, Verbal32 said:

So that means only 1 mafia team has a neighbor and not the other? If you're trying to compare power levels, this won't work as you're kinda making my point for me here.

Also, my 1x ability is not an active one. I would prefer not to get into it more than that.

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Well I am glad I am being helpful somehow?? lol. I legitimately don't get this I guess then?
Why could 1 mafia team have a neighbor, and one could not? They are separate entities each with their own power scales that go into balancing the overall game. Does town not seem superpowered based on the reveals so far?

Turin is probably mad that we are finally discussing the game tbh lol.

seph · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 1:49 PM, Verbal32 said:

@Zander?

Also, think about why I'd reveal this. Neighbor is not a Mason, there's obviously a chance we could have been alternate alignments. But if I was a mafia member, why is only 1 team represented here? Why not 3, and have 1 member from both mafia teams and a townie?

Makes no sense, right?

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On 4/10/2025 at 1:56 PM, Verbal32 said:

You're welcome. Now go read the neighbor one, look at how there are 2 mafias in this game, and then realize there's no way only 1 of them got to have a "neighbor".

We are not Masons because we also have other abilities - Masons don't typically have that, as they are more powerful by themselves.

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There are only 3 choices for neighbor. T/T T/W W/W
How is W/W exclusively negated by their being a messenger??
Someone help me my head is about to explode

On 4/10/2025 at 1:59 PM, Zander? said:

Fu explaining my thoughts on the role almost being locked as T/T because that would be insane with 4 Wolves in an 11er lololololol

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I pulled the relevant quotes I think, annnd I still don't get it. If there was a chance you could be alternate alignments like you stated, how is this a lock clear state for you? This is how you and zander are making it sound and I am just not wrapping my big head around this.

A messenger in this game is mainly meant to chaos chaos right? I don't think I understand the purpose of this role and it just seems lackluster.... especially looking at the town.

seph · April 10

I feel like I am getting played here, can someone explain it like im 5.
I am fairly certain this is what everyone including you lynched Turin for day 1...

Zander? · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 5:28 PM, seph said:

There are only 3 choices for neighbor. T/T T/W W/W
How is W/W exclusively negated by their being a messenger??
Someone help me my head is about to explode

I pulled the relevant quotes I think, annnd I still don't get it. If there was a chance you could be alternate alignments like you stated, how is this a lock clear state for you? This is how you and zander are making it sound and I am just not wrapping my big head around this.

A messenger in this game is mainly meant to chaos chaos right? I don't think I understand the purpose of this role and it just seems lackluster.... especially looking at the town.

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But alot of roles for Town are only x1 . Like IC...I have no other role.. neighbors one flipped x1 and other claims *1 . Key was Doc and X1 something iirc. Thing is Seph it's only and 11 player game each Wolf team regardless of PR has a NK and we had a X1 Vig flip. It's the fact that there's 2 NKs that's a powerful thing in itself. I think neighbors being T/T makes sense more because Masons makes it obvious to two townies there's 3 lock clear players with me IC. Neighbors I think balances out the it would make the neighbors and Town depending on the order of who flipped. At least tinfoil some. But also only one Mafia team having a neighbor feels weird to me...like it's possible but just off imho. Plus with Mafia having a Messenger is prolly the balance to neighbors being T/T wouldn't?

Zander? · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 5:33 PM, seph said:

I feel like I am getting played here, can someone explain it like im 5.
I am fairly certain this is what everyone including you lynched Turin for day 1...

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Yes because it was DAY freaking 1 with NO FLIPS so it was 100% speculative. At least now it's educated guesses as opposed to pure Winfom like Turin did Day 1 regardless of he even ended up being 100% correct post game.....he couldn't have known at the point and had nothing to even work/base from since no flips ATP.

Zander? · April 10

On 3/30/2025 at 9:50 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Players:

1. @DPR Hercules Mulligan, Federalist. Town Neighbour and 1x Role Blocker. Killed Night 2

2. @Gudrean

3. @Darthe James Madison - Southern Mother Fluffing Democratic Republican - Mafia Messenger. Killed Night 1

4. @Zander? Philip Hamilton, Federalist - Town Innocent Child

5. @Verbal32

6. @keyholder21 Alexander Hamilton, Federalist, Town Doctor and 1x Vig. Killed Night 2

7. @Turin Turambar George Washington, Federalist - Town Watcher - Lynched Day 1

8. @Cass replaced by @Turin Turambar Night 1. Modkilled Day 2

9. @seph

10. @dicetosser1

11. @Hallia King George III - The British, Mafia 1x Vote Stealer. Lynched Day 2

Back ups:

1. @csarmi

2. @Cairos

3. @HeavyHalfMoonBlade

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Town- 7 players.

Town Informant and x1 cop (both claimed)

Town Watcher

Town Doc and X1 Vig

Town neighbor and X1 RB

2nd Town neighbor x1 ??? (both claimed)

Whatever else

Mafia-2 Teams and 4 Players

2 Night Kills

Messenger

Vote Stealer x1

Whatever Else.

The fact it's also 2 seperate teams is like almost like a weaker PR itself imho.

Anyways we don't really need to go much more into it.

I just think T/T is more likely with 2 Mafia teams and 2 NKs especially because it's wouldn't be like masons we have to at least question it.

seph · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 5:36 PM, Zander? said:

But alot of roles for Town are only x1 . Like IC...I have no other role.. neighbors one flipped x1 and other claims *1 . Key was Doc and X1 something iirc. Thing is Seph it's only and 11 player game each Wolf team regardless of PR has a NK and we had a X1 Vig flip. It's the fact that there's 2 NKs that's a powerful thing in itself. I think neighbors being T/T makes sense more because Masons makes it obvious to two townies there's 3 lock clear players with me IC. Neighbors I think balances out the it would make the neighbors and Town depending on the order of who flipped. At least tinfoil some. But also only one Mafia team having a neighbor feels weird to me...like it's possible but just off imho. Plus with Mafia having a Messenger is prolly the balance to neighbors being T/T wouldn't?

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How does a messenger balance it? I don't even see the usefulness of the role at all tbh, they have their own chat. No one will trust a random message as displayed in our game.

I get the gist of what you are saying here, I guess I just disagree. You are saying mason's would be Lclear, IC would be lock clear, and neighbors wouldn't be?? Are you both not talking about Lock clearing the slot based on there being two wolf teams?
or are we clearing the slot because of one messenger flip?
I am questioning the logic.. but I want to understand and it would the last two wolves are in Gud/Dice.

On 4/10/2025 at 5:38 PM, Zander? said:

Yes because it was DAY freaking 1 with NO FLIPS so it was 100% speculative. At least now it's educated guesses as opposed to pure Winfom like Turin did Day 1 regardless of he even ended up being 100% correct post game.....he couldn't have known at the point and had nothing to even work/base from since no flips ATP.

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True, that makes more sense. I just can't seem to grasp it.

seph · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 5:48 PM, Zander? said:

Town- 7 players.

Town Informant and x1 cop (both claimed)

Town Watcher

Town Doc and X1 Vig

Town neighbor and X1 RB

2nd Town neighbor x1 ??? (both claimed)

Whatever else

Mafia-2 Teams and 4 Players

2 Night Kills

Messenger

Vote Stealer x1

Whatever Else.

The fact it's also 2 seperate teams is like almost like a weaker PR itself imho.

Anyways we don't really need to go much more into it.

I just think T/T is more likely with 2 Mafia teams and 2 NKs especially because it's wouldn't be like masons we have to at least question it.

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If it's a T slot I need to understand lol.

Zander? · April 10

It's both really

It's what PRS I've seen from all 3 teams.

Alot of roles are just X1

There 2 seperate Wolves teams which basically is a weaker PR against town and each Wolf team till it's found out.

There's a chance for night of 3 bullets the rest 2 until at least 1 full Mafia team is eliminated.

Neighbors being T/T at least work's to sow confusion in Town because not Masons. and kinda

Only one Wolf team having a Neighbor seems off to me maybe Mafia Messenger maybe is the balance to it but I think does that to balance the maifa teams and making it town Town balances it for all 3 teams if that makes sense? Lol

Anyways I wanna stop speculating on this

seph · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 5:57 PM, Zander? said:

It's both really

It's what PRS I've seen from all 3 teams.

Alot of roles are just X1

There 2 seperate Wolves teams which basically is a weaker PR against town and each Wolf team till it's found out.

There's a chance for night of 3 bullets the rest 2 until at least 1 full Mafia team is eliminated.

Neighbors being T/T at least work's to sow confusion in Town because not Masons. and kinda

Only one Wolf team having a Neighbor seems off to me maybe Mafia Messenger maybe is the balance to it but I think does that to balance the maifa teams and making it town Town balances it for all 3 teams if that makes sense? Lol

Anyways I wanna stop speculating on this

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Gudrean · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 5:50 PM, seph said:

How does a messenger balance it? I don't even see the usefulness of the role at all tbh, they have their own chat. No one will trust a random message as displayed in our game.

I get the gist of what you are saying here, I guess I just disagree. You are saying mason's would be Lclear, IC would be lock clear, and neighbors wouldn't be?? Are you both not talking about Lock clearing the slot based on there being two wolf teams?
or are we clearing the slot because of one messenger flip?
I am questioning the logic.. but I want to understand and it would the last two wolves are in Gud/Dice.

True, that makes more sense. I just can't seem to grasp it.

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Seph can you show me where I've been more wolf than Dice or Verb even with his "claim"

Also I remember Zander saying not to trust wild claims, hence why I haven't claimed anything.

Zander? · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 5:52 PM, seph said:

If it's a T slot I need to understand lol.

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i don't know what else to so so that you hat can understand LOLOLOLOL I wanna stop speculating on setup lolololoool. I explained why I do. You can either agree or disagree but someone already got Merced and I don't want to for this. So I've tried to explain it. None of the PRS are super powerful ATP. Doc prolly most for Town. Mafia is 2 NK so far from them IMHO. Best I can explain it brother.

Zander? · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 6:05 PM, Gudrean said:

Seph can you show me where I've been more wolf than Dice or Verb even with his "claim"

Also I remember Zander saying not to trust wild claims, hence why I haven't claimed anything.

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Unless CCd we have to believe his neighbor claim because someone has to be. That alone doesn't make him Town. It's all the other stuff I listed that makes me think he might just be

Verbal32 · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 5:28 PM, seph said:

There are only 3 choices for neighbor. T/T T/W W/W
How is W/W exclusively negated by their being a messenger??
Someone help me my head is about to explode

I pulled the relevant quotes I think, annnd I still don't get it. If there was a chance you could be alternate alignments like you stated, how is this a lock clear state for you? This is how you and zander are making it sound and I am just not wrapping my big head around this.

A messenger in this game is mainly meant to chaos chaos right? I don't think I understand the purpose of this role and it just seems lackluster.... especially looking at the town.

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It is negated because DPR flipped town. And it's by no means a lock clear, not even close. I'm saying that the scenario that we are town neighbors is the most likely one based on other factors (that Zander and I already discussed).

Verbal32 · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 5:33 PM, seph said:

I feel like I am getting played here, can someone explain it like im 5.
I am fairly certain this is what everyone including you lynched Turin for day 1...

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Not quite. Spec talk on D1 is not good - spec talk on D1 when you're trying to game the mod who you happen to live with because it's your wife - even worse.

Spec talk later in the game when a bunch of info is available - slightly better, but still not super useful.

Verbal32 · April 10

I think we still need Dice to weigh in, right?

Gudrean · April 10

Dice was here earlier before you Verb but said he was going out for drinks I think.

Ithillian Turambar · April 10

Official Vote Count

Not Voting - Dice, Gudrean, Seph, Verbal, Zander

3 votes to Lynch

This is a Hybrid Hammer/Deadline Game

Day 3 ends 10pm BST on Saturday 12th Aprl

Day 3 Timer

https://stagetimer.io/r/UVDHPDFH/

Ithillian Turambar · April 10

You think I could get Sinister to add a script that just posts that on every page lol.

Zander? · April 10

On 4/10/2025 at 7:37 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

You think I could get Sinister to add a script that just posts that on every page lol.

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You should get sinister to add back the ISO feature lololololol

Zander? · April 10

Ugggghhhhh I hope I'm not getting that flubug that's going around where I live FML

Ithillian Turambar · April 10

Zander? · April 10

On 3/30/2025 at 11:14 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I blame Zander.

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Wolfy AF

On 3/30/2025 at 11:44 PM, Zander? said:

Wolfy Pirate Lies

Prolly Villa LOLOLOLOL

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#Soul Read that dudes amazing

On 3/30/2025 at 11:46 PM, Zander? said:

Having been forced to read Page One Turin DPR Key wolves lololololol

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Ouchy lololololol

On 3/30/2025 at 11:48 PM, Zander? said:

Biu virtue of tormenting Dice DPR is a Villa

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Page 2 tho lolololol

Zander? · April 10

On 3/30/2025 at 11:53 PM, dicetosser1 said:

Can I interest anyone else in a day 1 lynch of Zander?

Watch it you!

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Dice Outs himself page 3 imho no bias ofc....prolly ...maybe lololololol

On 3/30/2025 at 11:58 PM, keyholder21 said:

Attempting to pocket Z early?

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This is Key on Seph out the gate ...

On 3/31/2025 at 1:03 AM, Darthe said:

Woofin

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This is Darthe to Seph page 4

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