Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

[DPR]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:14 AM, Darthe said:

Yeah he's got a real polished way of writing.  Part of his charm. 

Wes, I do like our back-and-forth's but I haven't gotten much of one here.  I want to say that's townie, but agreed it has been too long.

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Why is it Wes now? 
 

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:14 AM, seph said:

I kinda want to hear everyone's reads before I respond to this.

Gud, verbal, dice, Cass, hallia. Can I ask you all what you think of dpr? 

Or of the recent Turin darthe debacle?

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Yep. Let’s get everyone in on this. There’s truth in numbers 

[DPR]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:16 AM, Darthe said:

I don't get the key read at all DPR. 

Do wonder where she went though.  

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  On 4/1/2025 at 1:11 AM, Darthe said:

No, no, I get his point, and I don't think he's got a read from it.  He's questioning why I am approaching the game in a way that's somewhat inconsistent with my stated goal.  It's a fair question, but there are two factors to the answer.  One of them will be perceived as less townie though it isn't, but I'ma give both factors anyhow. 

First, because you hunt from both ends.  My town core is shaping up nice.  Zander, Key, Seph (perhaps).  We're gettin there.  Finding suspects is just as good as finding clear villagers or better.

Second, because inconsistency is part of being a person.  I slept, or had a bad meeting, or something between one thought and the next.  It doesn't really need an explanation usually.

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  On 3/31/2025 at 11:53 PM, Darthe said:

Sus af

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Pretty sure you just showed your ass in this reverse sequence.  
 

You aim to cause mischief. 
 

Vote Darthe 

[seph]

I am headed to bed, night all!

P.s. Cassss you have to be a villager! I feel like I'm always used to a stronger entrance. 

Gana re read tomorrow and try to keep up in chat ❤️.

So much fun playing with you all again! Even if this thread hits 300 pages....

[Darthe]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:37 AM, DPR said:

 

 

Pretty sure you just showed your ass in this reverse sequence.  
 

You aim to cause mischief. 
 

Vote Darthe 

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That vote won't do much on its own.  Show me more.

[Zander?]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:06 AM, DPR said:

 

I think Cory used to build a core that worked like a charm. As long as he had enough players in the game he knew how to read. 
 

This is a bunch of folks coming back from multi-years hiatus and nobody is really solid on readings right now. 
 

So I figure I’ll make observations as I see them and hopefully that’ll click with other players that see the same thing. 
 

Turin is playing a little too hard and multiple folks have called him wolfy. I’m not opposed to this. 
 

Darthe is always confusing on D1 and he and I tend to go back and forth to try and shake something loose, and because it’s fun. 
 

Key is nervous which may or may not be a good thing.

 

Verb is absent, but that’s not uncommon during the work week. 
 

So we’ll see. I do have Gud in a solid town read. But why isn’t she posting? 
 

We’ll see.

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Gus solid Town....please elaborate because I read her correctly last 2 games and I've come to the opposite conclusion atp 

 

Again I don't feel you addressed my issue with your response to Darthe about the Town core thing just swerved around it by talking about Cory.   Your responses feel very constructed and evasive and not organic and direct.  I'm having trouble seeing how this comes from a Town P.O.V tbh.  If you're a Villager I'd love to work with you but I gotta say I don't see atp.  Like refusing a reads list as well.  I don't see this from a Townie.   

[DPR]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:07 AM, Zander? said:

 

Gus solid Town....please elaborate because I read her correctly last 2 games and I've come to the opposite conclusion atp 

 

Again I don't feel you addressed my issue with your response to Darthe about the Town core thing just swerved around it by talking about Cory.   Your responses feel very constructed and evasive and not organic and direct.  I'm having trouble seeing how this comes from a Town P.O.V tbh.  If you're a Villager I'd love to work with you but I gotta say I don't see atp.  Like refusing a reads list as well.  I don't see this from a Townie.   

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Go back and look at when I asked Gud how many games she’s played in. The quote from her post was her asking basic questions about the game. Either she’s a mafia savant and figured out within four games how to casually ask questions about basic stuff, or she’s town. There’s an off chance that she planned that with a team, but that seems very remote, so I have her as town. 
 

it would be good if she showed up again soon. 
 

Your read on the rest is noted. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’ve never read me well, which is why I said to let the rest of the game jump in. There are folks here who can read me, so let them at it. 
 

I’ll definitely give a list before the end of day, don’t worry. 

[Gudrean]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:14 AM, seph said:

I kinda want to hear everyone's reads before I respond to this.

Gud, verbal, dice, Cass, hallia. Can I ask you all what you think of dpr? 

Or of the recent Turin darthe debacle?

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I've just been reading everything and trying to see if I can pull any useful info together that will help me see patterns. I will get together some reads in the AM.

[Zander?]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:38 AM, DPR said:

Go back and look at when I asked Gud how many games she’s played in. The quote from her post was her asking basic questions about the game. Either she’s a mafia savant and figured out within four games how to casually ask questions about basic stuff, or she’s town. There’s an off chance that she planned that with a team, but that seems very remote, so I have her as town. 
 

it would be good if she showed up again soon. 
 

Your read on the rest is noted. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’ve never read me well, which is why I said to let the rest of the game jump in. There are folks here who can read me, so let them at it. 
 

I’ll definitely give a list before the end of day, don’t worry. 

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I don't recall playing more than a couple tbh 

[Gudrean]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:38 AM, DPR said:

Go back and look at when I asked Gud how many games she’s played in. The quote from her post was her asking basic questions about the game. Either she’s a mafia savant and figured out within four games how to casually ask questions about basic stuff, or she’s town. There’s an off chance that she planned that with a team, but that seems very remote, so I have her as town. 
 

it would be good if she showed up again 

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I assure you guys I do not have a team helping me post. Lord knows if I did I'd surely be doing a lot better at it lol 😆 

Im Just not interested in posting a bunch of assumptions before I've gathered enough details to have something worth saying.  We've seen what casually posting got me earlier in the game.  😋

[Cass]

  On 3/31/2025 at 9:00 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Cass makes me nervous because she has been the only one.really defending means that always.makes me nervous. I'm town, but she doesn't  know.  I think her reasoning makes sense but it always causes me trepidation. 

 

Hallia kinda the same as Cass.

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Why do you say 'defending' wrt me? 

 

Why does Hallia not get more raisins/explanations?

 

[Cass]

  On 4/1/2025 at 3:29 AM, Gudrean said:

 

I assure you guys I do not have a team helping me post. Lord knows if I did I'd surely be doing a lot better at it lol 😆 

Im Just not interested in posting a bunch of assumptions before I've gathered enough details to have something worth saying.  We've seen what casually posting got me earlier in the game.  😋

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FWIW I'm assuming all of your posts are your own.

 

Your posting earlier might have got a few things going either way, imo. 

 

Can you explain that early progression on Dice/how you went about your read/s of him pls?

[Cass]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:43 AM, seph said:

I am headed to bed, night all!

P.s. Cassss you have to be a villager! I feel like I'm always used to a stronger entrance. 

Gana re read tomorrow and try to keep up in chat ❤️.

So much fun playing with you all again! Even if this thread hits 300 pages....

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Night Seph

 

PS Promise I'm definitely a Town Villager! Promise. 
Think about where you ever would have got a 'stronger entrance' from me...  And if you say my Town games I'm going to swat you over the head, just like Zander.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:37 AM, DPR said:

Vote Darthe

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Votes must be Bold Red. 

 

I can't be doing with reading everything properly 

Edited April 1 by Ithillian Turambar

[Ithillian Turambar]

Official Vote Count

 

DARTHE - 1 (Dice)

TURIN - 1  (Darthe)

 

Not Voting: Cass, DPR, Gudrean, Hallia, Key, Seph, Turin, Verbal, Zander

 

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[Ithillian Turambar]

No exceptions. Not even for Pirates 💙

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:52 AM, Darthe said:

That vote won't do much on its own.  Show me more.

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Vote DARTHE 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/1/2025 at 4:06 AM, Cass said:

 

Why do you say 'defending' wrt me? 

 

Why does Hallia not get more raisins/explanations?

 

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Cause I didn't do that from notes, and I didn't feel like typing the same thing I just had twice. I made that post off the cuff after having reread the thread. I did not even remember to put Verb on it so you can be pretty sure there were no notes. 

 

My opinion was you did defend my stance on whatever it was at the time. Oh yeah, Zander revealing so early. I still maintain that it would have been tactically superior to wait. People can disagree if they want. Regardless,  it is done and here we are. 

 

Just got thru morning breakfast and boy off to school so gonna look back at last night and make a bit of what some will think.is a crazy argument. 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/31/2025 at 7:18 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

FWIW, this is hella townie imo.  Darthe has the wearwithal to lead a lynch on Turin and from some of the reads in here, could have done so.  

 

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But I also feel skeevy for this, because it's darthe.

 

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I think you meant to say the WERE-WITHAL

 

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOL 

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Couldn't help myself

 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/31/2025 at 7:58 PM, keyholder21 said:

Y'all calling Zander's claim time weird are weird.  Have you met Zander?  He needs people to know he is the villagery-est villager.  I don't think your speculation on why he did it when he did it is inherently scummy, but it's noted.

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This is a misrep of your intention. You are saying you don't necessarily think it was sketchy, but you are saying you think it's sketchy by implication. It was the biggest thing to happen up to that point in the game. People should have opinions on it and they should be voicing those opinions. That is how we determine each other's point of view and then alignment. My opinion was it most likely would have had greater tactical weight if he had waited. I explained  why I felt that way. I read back on Zander's posts and realised that he was hinting strongly and also doing it in a way that seemed sketchy to me,  which is why I was sussing him earlier. 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/31/2025 at 7:59 PM, Cass said:

 

What makes him low so far in your mind? 

 

 

 

You said Hi, I hello'd ❤️ back, and then you moved straight on to faces at Zander and moving Turin up. 

 

I agreed with you there:

 

 

 

My question was going to be digging into how you read Turin?

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This is a good question.  

 

You see what I did there? Lol

[Ithillian Turambar]

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DARTHE - 2 (Dice, Turin)

TURIN - 1  (Darthe)

 

Not Voting: Cass, DPR, Gudrean, Hallia, Key, Seph, Verbal, Zander

 

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[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/31/2025 at 11:14 PM, Darthe said:

You’re a talented player but you’re spending your time posting by and large about mechanics.  You’re playing seriously, but not sharing serious reads or insights.  Beyond that, gut feel says your sentences seem overly constructed.

 

these are dumb reasons which all have caveats, but I’d expect myself to have a stronger town read on you by now.  It’s the same issue I had with Zander though so *shrug*

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This was Darthe's reasoning for his having me low. He states that his reasons are dumb and have caveats. You want a stronger town read on me but you said that you had me pegged as mafia after a few posts in my last game which I lived to the end and won. If I'm such an obvious wolf then why are you concerned that you don't have "more of a town read"? Shouldn't I be a neon mafia sign? 

I didn't talk about mechanics.  I talked about theme and whether it could be used to break the game. I said I didn't think it could because Ithi works hard to prevent that ( I have changed my mind on this but will not go there because I feel it is against the spirit of the game). However, I also asked myself a question about mechanics and theme. Who is bothered by it more? I argue mafia don't want to discuss theme because they are afraid of exactly the thing I talked about. The possibility of a way for townies to recognise each other based on information the mafia don't have. I have been in games where it became impossible for mafia to hide due to town "codes" if you will. 

Not sharing? This is malarkey. The construction of sentences? C'mon man, be better. I talk how I talk. This game is about persuasion. Of course I want to craft my words to be as clear and persuasive as possible. 

 

That this was nearly the same way it went when I asked Key for her reasons is troubling.  They may be the only two that directly sussed people for mentioning theme, and both used the incorrect term of mechanics to do so.

 

Waiting for the "mechanics is just distraction" argument. We have until Friday. There is plenty of time to talk about many things.  It is generally more important to look at the why and how of discussion than just if it happened or who initiated it. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Come at me bro

 

 

why do I feel like I know that guy?

[Turin Turambar]

Currently wtl either Darthe or Key. 

 

Current view of everyone town to not

ZANDER 

Me

Verb

DPR 

Seph

Dice

Cass

Gudrean 

Hallia 

Key

Darthe 

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/1/2025 at 8:02 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Come at me bro

 

 

why do I feel like I know that guy?

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