You're In Good Hands: The Beau Tomteer Law Firm Mafia GAME THREAD

[Cory Caboose]

D3 Final Vote Count

 

Leno (1) - Leno 

Dice (4) - Nyn, Kat, AJ, Darc

 

Not Voting (4) - Dice, Cass, Illian, Seph

 

dicetosser1 has been selected as the accuser!

 

 

COURT WILL BE IN SESSION SHORTLY!

[Cory Caboose]

Seph has been called to stand trial for the crime of...

 

being a wolf!

 

@seph you have the right to a fair trial.

You may defend yourself or be defended by our court appointed public attorney Iroq Weddglosses.

 



 

“...”

 

@dicetosser1 @seph Opening statements are due in 12 hours. (2:30 AM E/ST). A failure to submit will be listed as "no comment".

Edited December 12, 2018 by Cory Caboose

[Cory Caboose]

 

It is time for OPENING STATEMENTS!

[Cory Caboose]

From our prosecutor, dicetosser1

 

 

 

Ladies and Gentleman of the Jury I hereby accuse player Seph of being a Mafia member! 

I direct your attention to the following evidence, some of which has been posted in a public forum by the defendant himself!!

 

Here is my evidence

 

 

Seph posted this on the 4th december  im in blue

 

Nyn actually I feel slightly better about her postings since I last posted. I was just waiting for her to dig in a bit. The most important thing is her tone seems good. I have only played with her once a long time ago as scum but she was busy then as well and remember some posts just seemed akward/ looked like she had a hard time coming back into the thread after a absence. I’m not seeing it here at all tbh.

 

so he feels better about nyn. says her tone is good. im kinda curious what about her tone was good to him. 

 

Yet he has voted me who at the time he voted everyone would have expected to go after Nyn.

 

kat I fed is playing this indecisive thing a bit to much. Yes she is always like that but i fee like if pressured she could give something concrete but everything seems to have some sort of uncertainty and I didn’t read it all as genuine. I need to re read as I have just been stressed out today beyond all belief but I think I’m keeping her near my bottom.

 

I have had a problem with aj since d1 tbh. I think his early posts are fine when he posted about the game and asked a few questions but ever since the lenlo thing I feel like his posts have lost something... it’s hard to explain but I don’t think the hallia interaction upon re read is helping my judgement here.

 

ever since the lenlo thing I think that has been a large focus of his game, most of his other reads have been thoughts of others he will share or just ditto. And it seems he always comes back and focuses on lenlo. 

 

I had issue with his nyn comment as well as it was a form of favoritism, and a bit of hollow defense as clov stated.  

evem today I get some of his posts felt agenda ee and were more of in the direction of pointing a finger at someone, without much follow up.

the post about how me asking for dark for her reads somehow makes me look bad? Ok lol I would love to see how he spins that.

 

so here hes poking at AJ but it seems kinda halfhearted. I cant think of him really following up on it at all. its like hes going thru the motions so he has options.

 

 

I wanted to clarify where darks Head was out. She got irritated with me and I was just trying to show her that her reads did not get posted and she obliged and gave me something. 

 

I was was trying to figure out if her reaction was genuine and honestly I wanted to see more from her towards the rest of the game and I think she stepped up today and I feel much much better since she came into the thread after the flip.

 

considering that Darc has been his constant focus this seems too easy a change. what he couldnt get her so he backed off?

 

 

This. I don’t understand this when aj apparently spent a lot of time to post his pro town message at the start of the game talking mechanics how he votes for the most -ev option baring a town cop claim by the defendant.

 

another poke at AJ

 

 

I did post it earlier I thought? It was more of a personal silly reason. I have actually never had to deer hunt and am not very good at it ><

 

This is what set me off. It immediately hit my brain as "oh! so now u had to hunt the seer did you? and you missed the obvious but one of your team didnt?  and i just cant shake that interpretation.

 

See I know this is a simple post made by either alignment but I like it... and I really need to read through aj . If cass iso works by going to their page for large posters I will try this later

 

 

 

At one point he liked something i posted so much he quoted the whole thing just cause he liked it   (i had it but cant find it now)

 

but then the next day we get this

 

dice.... bro I love you but I really just can’t read you. I honestly think your scum. Your post before eod about nominating clov after you made your case to get a two for one... I thought was Wolfy as hell. You should be making cases if you have them... it’s how you solve the game, you don’t need to be a accuser...

i have other problems as well but I feel like what clov and others are saying... well maybe they just have a better understanding than I do atm if you.

 

 

 

thats talking about this post of mine

 

im half tempted to throw it back to clov cause ive just made my case   so itd kinda be like getting two cases for the price of one.

 

problem is i think pengy is probably town.

 

 

so one minute i sound good then somehow im was wolfy to him. Again im getting the feeling that hes having to find a new target for a mislynch. I invited him to explain why i was scummy but he hasnt been back yet. hopefully it will be in his rebuttal

 

 

So he tunneled on Darc for two days  poked at AJ then poked at me. At no point have i been able to read him and go  "thats towny"  ive been ambivalent to him.

 

Now add the fact that i feel like im getting played by being accuser. Something feels off. so im not going the expected way.  i could be wrong. but i think im not.

 

 

Ladies and Gentleman of the Jury I ask that you find the Defendant GUILTY and sentence him to be Lynched!!!

[Cory Caboose]

From our defendant, seph

 

First off sorry everyone being busy sucks ? was hoping dice WOULDN’T throw the rope around my neck but it is what it is.

 

obv the best advice is to follow clovs advice and get your town core to win the game. I know I am in the poe so no worries about killing me, sadly I didn’t do enough to convince you all I was town.(seriously don’t know why you all tinfoiled on me all game when I was active )

 

the only case case against me was darcs which dice brought up again I believe?? A long time ago so not exactly sure why he brought be here but it should be interesting to read.  All I remember was my wording and then something about tripped which him and darc thought was scummy because I never tried to read her? Which I thought was amusing.

 

regardless I’m here and this is what I remember/ think.

 

1. Hallia - Werewolf- obviously a dead wolf

2. Darthe Ilian Tear is lock clear and would be extremely nice if they would contribute more thoughts.

 

dice- honestly dude has been putting in more work than I have ever seen in a game from him. I’m hard pressed to lynch here. I think it’s a townie you can trust despite my wanting him to be mafia lol. (There was a question from him before asking me why I thought that. They were all raisens in my head that don’t really make sense)

 

cass- has been doing a lot of work and I have zoned out for a bit. Make sure she is following up / making cases up to this point and should be a townie to trust.

 

 darc-star- I think tripped and Chris can probably read her well but I think that she has also ridden off their reads from early d1 when not a lot of content has been posted.

 

lenlo - honestly I haven’t had much issue here. Though he may have just pocketed. Me lol. I didn’t disagree with his early aj push though he may have tunneled a bit I think aj hasn’t really pressured the slot for the attention he brought with his statement. I also liked his early day two.

kat-hasn’t done much but I’ll pull up the confirming town post imo

aj- earlier thoughts are the same. I’m l

4. TrippedOnReality - Town Cop makes me a sad panda

5. Clovdyx - Vanilla Town- makes the sad panda look sad

8. DontTrustThePenguins - Vanilla Town- I should have fought for you:( I’m sorry 

 

 

nyn- honestly think the last two are her and aj

if she is town y’all in some trouble.

my yolo pick is darc.

 

  On 12/7/2018 at 5:52 PM, Katiora said:

 

 

Honestly this game I don't know that you'll get a lot of thoughts from me. I've said this repeatedly. And I haven't seen anyone do any better honestly, I hate the way the system of this game works. I hate it. (sorry cory) I can't scum hunt like this. EVERYTHING is conjecture. I have nothing to go on. We have one person's case to build something on. Both times the person building that case has been NK'd. Last night hardly anyone bothered to vote at all. How the heck am I supposed to build a case from that? The only person posting real accusations in the thread is Lenlo and I think he's way off base. I also think he's probably town, but that doesn't make what he says any truer. In fact that just means he's more likely to have no clue what's really going on just like the rest of us. This is honestly the most frustrating game I've ever been in as town. And I hate it. I think it would have been better if they cop hadn't made such a big target of herself D1 and gotten killed. At least at some point we could have built a town core. But as it sits I have no clue what to do. 

 

 

Vote: Dice

I just don’t ever see kat make this post as mafia. Ever.

 

there is just a level of genuity here. If she is a wolf I don’t see her complaining all game about the game and having trouble imo. I don’t see her apologizing to Cory over this....

She would make reads up even if they were not strong. That’s what you do as mafia anyway. Fake it till you make it.

im sorry I just don’t ever see her having this much trouble for this long without caving to the pressure for some actual reads especially since it put her in hot water.

the problem then leaves it has to be aj/nyn

or else Towns most likely losing from what most have put in their town core.

 

it was good working with you all, sorry I sucked this last phase. 

DONT BLOW IT

[Cory Caboose]

We will now take a short intermission!

 

@dicetosser1 @seph

If you would like to make a rebuttal, you have 12 hours to do so.

[Cory Caboose]

Both sides have decided to forego rebuttals.

 

 

It is now Night 3!

[Cory Caboose]

By a vote of 6:2, seph has been declared...

 

 

 

GUILTY!

 

He was...

 

Vanilla Town

 

Yes: AJ, Darc, Dice, Ilian Tear, Kat, Nyn 

No: Cass, Lenlo

 

DO NOT POST YET!

[Cory Caboose]

As the jury files back into the waiting room, they see dicetosser1 taking a nap on the floor. Is he resting on a... red pillow? Oh.. oh. Yikes.

 

The jury searches for clues on how dice's head split open, but the only thing that comes to mind is the strange new red tattoo on public defender Iroq Weddglosses.

 

 

" ... "

What a mystery.

dicetosser1 has been night-killed. He was...

 

 

 

Vanilla Town

 

It is now Day 4!

 

You may now post.

Day 4 will end 12:00 PM E/ST on December 14th.

Edited December 12, 2018 by Cory Caboose

[Lenlo]

So, is this where I push AJ and Kat again? AJ voted no on Hallia, the only lynched wolf. Kat abstained. Both have voted yes on both of the Town Lynches.

[Illian Tear]

Sure

[Illian Tear]

Now i feel as if Darc is mafia because he was focused on Seph being mafia.

[Lenlo]

Im just gonna plop

Vote: Lenlo

 

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Lenlo (1) - Leno

 

Not Voting (5) - AJ, Darc, Illian, Kat Nyn, Cass

 

Deadline Dec 14th @ 12 PMPM EST

 

 

[Lenlo]

For note, today is Lynch Lose. If we fail to catch a wolf today, its game over.

 

Illian, Cass, I need you with me. If we stick together, even if we randomly pick from someone in the other pool, we have a 2 out of 3 shot just with luck. I don't think we need luck, we can pull this out together, but if we pick wrong today its game over. They will have equal numbers if we fail today.

 

We could, I suppose, vote to lynch no one and go into a 5 person game (3/2) tomorrow, but all that does is pass the buck down the line. I vote we settle it today.

[Illian Tear]

I'm guessing either Darc or Aj is wolf.

[Lenlo]

13 minutes ago, Illian Tear said:

I'm guessing either Darc or Aj is wolf.

Well theres 2 wolves left, so lets start with AJ

[Cass]

Morning, 

 

I'm at work with sporadic down time and access but will be free tonight with computer access to ISO etc. 

 

If anyone wants to pull out the 65789 AJ posts and stick them together I'did then, I'd appreciate it.

 

Currently my PoE is still

 

Kat/Nyn/    AJ/Lenlo

 

 

@Illian Tear have you seen anything else wrt Darc that makes you think she's a wolf?

 

 

Let's have a go at majority votes/ trains.

 

Accuse: Kat 

 

If you're Town we really need you to get digging pls

 

Happy to Vote: Cass[/colour] for now too.

 

[Lenlo]

Accuse: AJ

All day every day. At this point if he is a wolf we can't leave him around and up in the air. We have to resolve him.

 

See thing is, I find the fight against him funny. Wolves would jump on the chance to lynch a town AJ, then lynch town me the next day using that flip as leverage to prove I am a wolf. They would atleast humor it. That absolutely no one is even considering it, fighting it that hard? To me that speaks of being on the right track and wolves steering away from the train to give it as little support and attention as possible.

 

 

[Cass]

2 hours ago, Lenlo said:

For note, today is Lynch Lose. If we fail to catch a wolf today, its game over.

...

 

we have a 2 out of 3 shot just with luck. 

 

...

They will have equal numbers if we fail today.

 

We could, I suppose, vote to lynch no one and go into a 5 person game (3/2) tomorrow

 

I'm not the best numbers person, so ppl pls check this, but there's 7 players left (@Kaylee, prev vote count has 5 instead of 6 not voting?)

 

 

So currently 5 Town, 2 Wolves.

 

 

If we Lynch correctly today, tomorrow is:

 

4 Town/1 Wolf

(Lynch Wolf and win; ML and go to F3)

 

 

 

If we No Lynch today, tomorrow is

 

4 Town/2 Wolves

(Lynch Wolf go to 3 Town/1 Wolf [MYLO]; Mislynch and lose)

 

 

 

If we ML today, tomorrow is:

 

3 Town/2 Wolves 

(Lynch Wolf and go to F3; or

Mislynch and Lose)

 

 

 

Currently, three together (Illian, Cass, Lenlo) leaves a pool of 4 to shoot in with 2 wolves left - that's a 50/50 chance (not 2/3).

 

TLDR We need moar villagers.

[Cass]

43 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Accuse: AJ

All day every day. At this point if he is a wolf we can't leave him around and up in the air. We have to resolve him.

 

See thing is, I find the fight against him funny. Wolves would jump on the chance to lynch a town AJ, then lynch town me the next day using that flip as leverage to prove I am a wolf. They would atleast humor it. That absolutely no one is even considering it, fighting it that hard? To me that speaks of being on the right track and wolves steering away from the train to give it as little support and attention as possible.

FWIW I'm considering it/am ok with these trains for now. Want to ISO etc before final decisions. I have thoughts on the unfollowed push, want to see where it goes. Statistically there are more Villagers than Wolves not jumping on the push - Either he's a Wolf and nobody's going for it, or he's Town and the Wolves are reluctant to draw attention to themselves with overt support for any lynch without Villagers to point the finger at after. 

 

We need everyone to jump in with their best guesses for today's lynch as it stands right now, as soon as they get back to the thread, with a similar "Accuse" vote

(@Nynaeve, @Katiora, @darc-star, @Andrej)

 

@Illian Tear go ahead and vote to accuse Darc for now if that's where you're seeing Scum.

[Cass]

VOTE TO ACCUSE

 

AJ (1): Lenlo

Kat (1): Cass

 

Not Voting (5): AJ, Darc, Illian, Kat, Nyn

 

 

 

****Pls update as you vote****

There will be brownies!

[Lenlo]

1 hour ago, Cass said:

FWIW I'm considering it/am ok with these trains for now. Want to ISO etc before final decisions. I have thoughts on the unfollowed push, want to see where it goes. Statistically there are more Villagers than Wolves not jumping on the push - Either he's a Wolf and nobody's going for it, or he's Town and the Wolves are reluctant to draw attention to themselves with overt support for any lynch without Villagers to point the finger at after. 

 

We need everyone to jump in with their best guesses for today's lynch as it stands right now, as soon as they get back to the thread, with a similar "Accuse" vote

(@Nynaeve, @Katiora, @darc-star, @Andrej)

 

@Illian Tear go ahead and vote to accuse Darc for now if that's where you're seeing Scum.

Oh snap it is 7. The VC said 5 not voting, and I based my number off that. My B.

 

Woo! We have one extra day! Thanks Cass! Less scary, but still paramount we lynch AJ imo,

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Lenlo (1) - Leno

Cass (1) - Cass

 

Not Voting (6) - AJ, Darc, Illian, Kat Nyn, Cass

 

Deadline Dec 14th @ 12 PMPM EST

 

2 hours ago, Cass said:

 

I'm not the best numbers person, so ppl pls check this, but there's 7 players left (@Kaylee, prev vote count has 5 instead of 6 not voting?)

 

 

So currently 5 Town, 2 Wolves.

 

 

If we Lynch correctly today, tomorrow is:

 

4 Town/1 Wolf

(Lynch Wolf and win; ML and go to F3)

 

 

 

If we No Lynch today, tomorrow is

 

4 Town/2 Wolves

(Lynch Wolf go to 3 Town/1 Wolf [MYLO]; Mislynch and lose)

 

 

 

If we ML today, tomorrow is:

 

3 Town/2 Wolves 

(Lynch Wolf and go to F3; or

Mislynch and Lose)

 

 

 

Currently, three together (Illian, Cass, Lenlo) leaves a pool of 4 to shoot in with 2 wolves left - that's a 50/50 chance (not 2/3).

 

TLDR We need moar villagers.

 

Sorry didn't actually count lol

Edited December 13, 2018 by Kaylee

[Cass]

31 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Oh snap it is 7. The VC said 5 not voting, and I based my number off that. My B.

 

Woo! We have one extra day! Thanks Cass! Less scary, but still paramount we lynch AJ imo,

 

@Lenlo, tbf your hyper-insistence on AJ is/has been wigging me out since it started. 

 

I feel like the strength of your push/tunnel is disproportionate to the initial comment/reaction of his, and I haven't seen much consideration from you that you could be wrong,  which is concerning. 

 

I'm sorry if it turns out you're Town and right and we're all lagging, but can you pleeeeaaaaaaase go re-look everyone else too?

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Kaylee said:

Official Vote Count

 

Lenlo (1) - Leno

Cass (1) - Cass

 

Not Voting (5) - AJ, Darc, Illian, Kat Nyn, Cass

 

Deadline Dec 14th @ 12 PMPM EST

 

 

Sorry didn't actually count lol

Neither did I initially ?Thenumbersarealwayshard!!!.gif