The Stand Mafia [Advanced] - GAME OVER - TOWN AND NOTBOB WIN!

[Eldrick4221]

I'd like it if people would discuss my point on Krak. Darthe has weighed in, but I'd like to hear from more.

 

Darthe voted Leelou, without reasoning. Later, he asked for people to join him.

Krak voted Leelou, also without reasoning or mentioning her prior.

He later explained his feelings about her, but the vote felt opportunistic and scummy.

 

Is anyone else seeing that?

[Andrej]

Just now, 鲍勃不是我的名字 said:

 

 

You scum NB?

 

I saw that role fishing you were doing with Krak back on pg 35.

[Eldrick4221]

1 minute ago, Andrej said:

 

What is your read on Leelou?

Null. I'm paying more attention to her because of the early activity, and likes her reads list, but she hasn't swayed me one way or the other.

 

If ISOs were working, I'd go check hers, but I'm not gonna go reread. It takes hours.

[Andrej]

Just now, Eldrick4221 said:

I'd like it if people would discuss my point on Krak. Darthe has weighed in, but I'd like to hear from more.

 

Darthe voted Leelou, without reasoning. Later, he asked for people to join him.

Krak voted Leelou, also without reasoning or mentioning her prior.

He later explained his feelings about her, but the vote felt opportunistic and scummy.

 

Is anyone else seeing that?

 

I think your point here is very generic which is ~fine but not great either, and if it had come at that phase of the game I would consider it more (I know that’s impossible but still). Are you caught up? Krak has more content than just that.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Just now, Andrej said:

 

You scum NB?

 

I saw that role fishing you were doing with Krak back on pg 35.

 

I am not scum.  I really wanted him to shoot...are you scum AJ?  

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I'm confident either of Eldrick and/or AJ is scum.  

 

 

[Eldrick4221]

5 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

I don’t think Darthe would operate in that capacity. I’ve got two really fresh meta takes on him back to back as both alignments just before this game. He’d bus but he wouldn’t be the driver in this sense.

 

I would think for the effort you put into pursuing it that you should have some sort of read/impression on the player otherwise it looks like defense.

 

It didn't matter who the target was. That I didn't have a read on her actually adds to the point that it was about Darthe's actions.

 

Trying to get someone to vote with you without giving a reason (multiple times, mind you. Hally used the word fixated) is a bad look and worth pursuing.

[Eldrick4221]

5 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

I think your point here is very generic which is ~fine but not great either, and if it had come at that phase of the game I would consider it more (I know that’s impossible but still). Are you caught up? Krak has more content than just that.

I'm caught up. I've been caught up. Most of this thread hasn't been noteworthy. I don't really remember his other content. I may be stuck on this one point with him, but it bothers me.

[Eldrick4221]

Going to bed now. Ttyl

[Gabriel Kross]

14 hours ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

 

If I wasn't on my phone I'd show I said something like "I think of why you could be town but I'm too tactful to go into detail why" is me actually saying someone can be town because they are so... How can I say... frustratingly stubborn.

(What I did say was rude and some people might find this rude even though they're the best words I can use ATM. Basically sorry if I am/was rude. I was still grouchy)

 

What I'm saying in *this* post is if you have the attitude "I'm rarely wrong" then it's like deciding something and sticking to it because you want it. It's not good. 

 

As for scum changing their minds easily it's not something I've particularly noticed. I've seen scum tunnel people to China even when their target is never getting lynched. I guess what I try and look for is if it seems like they believe what they say or not. It can help with even the craziest of pushes (though I admit I have seen things I thought were too crazy to be made up and I was wrong lol)

it's not an attitude, it's simple fact. The only problem is not many people follow my reads.

 

10 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

It was clearly a fluff response to a fluff post. Detracting how?

it was a perpetuation of the fluff that was filling too much of the game at the time.

10 hours ago, Darthe said:

 

 

Vote: penguin

 

Fos

 

Go read page 1 of the pinned game, then you can come back and talk to me.

Again, you were STILL on penguin at this time.

9 hours ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

On the train home.

 

You haven't answered my question and I'm not keeping my vote on someone just to keep it on them when you're actively avoiding answering about it defeating the object. So #sorrynotsorry

 

PS you were already voting me...

1. Your vote was scummy. There is a point where joke votes end. You jumped on the Leelou "train" for absolutely zero reason even confirming such.

8 hours ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

How could you miss the post when you literally quoted it in a multiquote and didn't respond?

 

And I have said it. Over and over.

 

I'm going to tell you now that I don't like arrogance and I am not someone you can ever talk down.

 

Also, I'd like to know how I am a "distraction" when I'm actively trying to engage people and read them and others. 

You spend more time on an answer that means absolutely nothing instead of actual scum-hunting

8 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Your premise was apparently to pick 4 people day 1 and focus on them. Based on BFG's 2 posts, I have to believe your vote on her was random. Congrats on hitting the probably 25% chance.

 

If that's what you're doing with Leelou, then the odds aren't in your favor.

that's not how probability works at all, but okay. By your math iot would assume that he KNEW it was 3town 1 mafia.

7 hours ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

Well you're smart enough not to test it because yeah, that post is blatant lies.

 

Promise me that when I wake up, I don't wake up to any more, yeah? Because I don't like that either.

It wasn't really blatant lies

7 hours ago, Zanatron said:

 

Why so feisty and agitated EP?!?!!?

See below

7 hours ago, Darthe said:

>Feisty and agitated

>EP

 

Yeah that seems right

like right here to be exact

7 hours ago, Zanatron said:

 

Oh I remember you throwing me under the bus as Masons you Wolfy SOAB in Darthe's crazy factions type game!!!!

 

lololololol

I don't remember that game.


anywho I'm only on page 37 my schedule is all messed up atm, I ended up skipping class today too because I didn't feel good.

[Andrej]

10 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

It didn't matter who the target was. That I didn't have a read on her actually adds to the point that it was about Darthe's actions.

 

Trying to get someone to vote with you without giving a reason (multiple times, mind you. Hally used the word fixated) is a bad look and worth pursuing.

 

You said to not have a read. Your actions say otherwise imo.

 

Hallia basically said “until you give reasons then no” which was not the same approach.

[Andrej]

19 minutes ago, 鲍勃不是我的名字 said:

I'm confident either of Eldrick and/or AJ is scum.

 

I’m not scum but this isn’t a good take from you regardless imo.

 

Am I gonna find your reason for calling me scum by the time I finish reading?

[Zander?]

31 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

I'd like it if people would discuss my point on Krak. Darthe has weighed in, but I'd like to hear from more.

 

Darthe voted Leelou, without reasoning. Later, he asked for people to join him.

Krak voted Leelou, also without reasoning or mentioning her prior.

He later explained his feelings about her, but the vote felt opportunistic and scummy.

 

Is anyone else seeing that?

 

I know it's easy to replicate but he did the same thing as Town last game.  He voted someone Sooh was voting and said straight up he was only voting the person because Sooh was.

[DPR]

3 hours ago, Katiora said:

Ok. So my thoughts so far. Mostly and i'm going to say this even though most of you will say it is probably scummy but i'm just being honest her, I have no idea what to go on at this point. D1 and we're 41 pages in and honestly I feel more confused than when I first started trying to read yesterday. What a convoluted finger pointing mess... 

 

 

I mean I know it's d1 so all we have is conjecture and votes that may or may not mean anything at all, but man. Ya'll make a thread hard to read. Anyway... onwards. 

 

Honestly I'm having a such a hard time remembering who all is in the game I had to go look. Some people just haven't done anything at all.*whistles* 

 

 

Right now, in the order that Tress has them listed:

 

Eldrick - has been active since they've been here. Almost feels like they are trying to force people into roles regardless of how things actually are. i.e. the thing with "if zander/cory can't read me he must be scum" thoughts. It just appears to be trying to hard to me, though this could be accounted for from his late start and he actually IS trying too hard or he could just be scum. Hard to decide.... 

 

Cory - Has been extremely laid back this game. Not the Cory I'm used to seeing. I haven't really seen him try to push anyone yet and it has me slightly concerned. 

 

Darthe - I want to think he's town so bad. I mean... nothing he's said (even the stuff I really don't agree with) has pinged me as more than just Darthe being himself. I really wanna tinfoil him though

 

AJ - has he been here today?? I honestly can't remember. <.< He's been super quiet to me this game. He had a bit in it where he was fairly vocal but it seems like, since the fluff stopped he has been unusually quiet and not his normal scum hunting self. Not sure if I should be worried. I'll be worried if he's alive past d2 lol 

 

Zander - My eternal tinfoil.... I am 100% horrible at reading Zander. I want him to be town and honestly right now I have no reason to think he's not but.... man... 

 

Hallia - Has been quiet. Normal for last few games and NAI. Pretty sure she's been this quiet for a scum game a while back and the last game, where she did get pretty active towards the end of the game. I would be willing to give her a few (game) days before really worrying. She usually picks up if she's town.

 

DPR - always seems scummy to me. Not sure why. Kinda Null right now

 

Marsh - seems to be involved. I'm not sure I agree with his most recent list, but that doesn't make him not town. I would like to know how firm his reads are at this point?? Just out of curiosity... 

 

Kat - extremely boring and not extremely involved because she hates D1 

 

Leelou - Quiet... says she's busy but has put in some recent effort which I approve of. I probably don't want to vote her today, regardless of Darthe's reasoning unless he were to give me more than "trust me I'm Darthe"... Probably just not going there today. 

 

Krak - I don't buy the "he voted Leelou so he must be scum" thing, or the "he's too active" but I will say he's been slightly defensive. I don't know that I put him and Penguin as W/w if they are then they decided to distance pretty early... 

 

Penguin- ehhh has been a bit over-reactive recently. I think the arguement about his fluff wasn't justified, however, I think it did make him react, so maybe not completely unwarranted. Nothing to judge his play by though so I'm gonna have to trust people that have actually played with him and hope they're not ALL scum. That would mostly be Dice and Eld?? Isn't that right??? >.> 

 

Dice - heh I"m horrible at reading him. One of the past games I was convinced he had to be scum or 3p and was utterly wrong lol. So far this game he's been semi-reasonable and hasn't gone off chasing rabbits. I'll withhold judgement for now and put him as null. 

 

Not Bob - pretty quiet. He's popped in a bit and said something was towny or scummy (and sometimes I haven't been sure if he was serious) but I don't remember any explanations of his reasoning and beyond that I can't think of a whole lot he's posted. Not sure if I just don't remember or if I've missed it or if he's really not posted a lot. 

 

EP - Eh. Usually has decent reads but crazy reasons that make sense to no one else but him. I'm not sure about him yet. 

 

 

So that's my thoughts right now. And looking at them i have NO IDEA who I really would like to see lynched today. Not Zander, Cory, Darthe, AJ, or Hallia for the moment. 

 

My bottom three would probably be Not Bob (from a purely I don't know why point), Krak, and Eld. But not really wanting to vote right now... Is this a Hybrid hammer game?? or a DL game? I don't really want to look... lol 

 

Now someone pick my post apart and tell me why I'm scum *looks pointedly at Cory* 

 

I gotta say, this kind of a post after an absence feels an awful lot like you were feeling pressure to add content to the game. You could have just summed it all up as "I don't know yet" and shrugged. 

[Songstress]

VOTE COUNT:

 

Leelou (2) - Krak, Cory

Penguins (2) - EP, Ironeyes

Ironeyes (1) - Dice

Cory (1) - Darthe

Krak (1) - Eldrick

Eldrick (3) - Zander, AJ, NotBob

 

Not voting: Hallia, DPR, Kat, Leelou, Penguins

 

WITH 15 ALIVE, IT TAKES 8 TO LYNCH.

 

Day 1 deadline is Thursday, July 5 at 12:00 Noon EDT:

[Cory Caboose]

glad AJ's back

 

We need the firm fist of justice ITT

[DPR]

2 hours ago, Darthe said:

Deal with it.  You try to play games like you're gonna win them d1 and get NKd that night each time. If you're changing from that, it'll take getting mislynched a couple times before we believe it.

 

@Darthe You are in the process of admittedly trying to shake up your meta, but your basing this case on Cory's standard meta? You've also got a really intense vibe - what's up with that? 

[Ironeyes]

1 hour ago, Andrej said:

 

Kill this.

I'll switch my vote at some point. DL isn't for a day and a half so plenty of time left. 

[Zander?]

It's hybrid hammer tho right....we don't HAVE to wait if we don't want to.

[Zander?]

[Zander?]

[Darthe]

1 hour ago, Eldrick4221 said:

I'd like it if people would discuss my point on Krak. Darthe has weighed in, but I'd like to hear from more.

 

Darthe voted Leelou, without reasoning. Later, he asked for people to join him.

Krak voted Leelou, also without reasoning or mentioning her prior.

He later explained his feelings about her, but the vote felt opportunistic and scummy.

 

Is anyone else seeing that?

Ez to see, hard to imagine as a genuine progression from you.

 

Vote Eldrick

[Darthe]

1 hour ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

It didn't matter who the target was. That I didn't have a read on her actually adds to the point that it was about Darthe's actions.

 

Trying to get someone to vote with you without giving a reason (multiple times, mind you. Hally used the word fixated) is a bad look and worth pursuing.

I vehemently disagree on the grounds that I do this all the time. 

[Darthe]

29 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

@Darthe You are in the process of admittedly trying to shake up your meta, but your basing this case on Cory's standard meta? You've also got a really intense vibe - what's up with that? 

Define intense vibe.

[Songstress]

VOTE COUNT:

 

Leelou (2) - Krak, Cory

Penguins (2) - EP, Ironeyes

Ironeyes (1) - Dice

Krak (1) - Eldrick

Eldrick (4) - Zander, AJ, NotBob, Darthe

 

Not voting: Hallia, DPR, Kat, Leelou, Penguins

 

WITH 15 ALIVE, IT TAKES 8 TO LYNCH.

 

Day 1 deadline is Thursday, July 5 at 12:00 Noon EDT: