The Mafia Parable: Basic Game OVER

Ironeyes · August 9, 2017

Large quote by Rand:

My reaction is that this feels like redirection. I admit that DPR's push was weak, but he did in fact explain it. Rand just asking a question that's already been answered and then rushing on to other topics is pinging me. Also, his content so far reads a lot like my own content last game (when I was scum, btw): It's a lot of agreeing with the most active players and throwing out a weak sus just to look the part. Not a good look for him so far.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was the first one to flesh out a case against Adella, Sooh kinda just voted without really explaining. Even now, I believe I'm still the strongest pusher on her, even though there really aren't any strong pushes right now. This is the exact opposite of a weak sus, idk where you're getting that read.

Well yeah, it's true you've fleshed it out. I stand by my point about redirection though.

Nynaeve · August 9, 2017

I keep mixing up marsh and rand

Nynaeve · August 9, 2017

So when they talk to eacj other it's very confusing xD

Ironeyes · August 9, 2017

I keep mixing up marsh and rand

I would complain, but I mix people up all the time. Especially when I read quickly.

Clovdyx · August 9, 2017

I wasn't trying to express disagreement with either part. I was trying to show that I liked your answers. FWIW I don't really feel anything IRT Hallia - positively OR negatively - and I really don't have any issue with Adella (or anyone) giving reads like that. I give reads off posts others might not care about all the time. But that's not really relevant.

What is relevant is that I understand where you're coming from and can see YOU caring about it. The second point especially seems like a townie thought process.

And yes, that vote on Iron is a joke based on last game. I argued he was scum (correctly) based on my feeling he was fabricating his reads, since they weren't consistent with what he said in between them. The inconsistency had a lot less to do with his alignment and a lot more to do with a misunderstanding of a definition lol

Adella · August 9, 2017

Ah, ok. I was just rushing through and catching up, not paying super close attention to who was responding to what except when quotes were used. But if you DID kill everybody, the gerbil would squeak, right? So you could potentially cover all the bases with one move.
I wasn't clear on the fact that she was having a direct convo with you. I wasn't paying that close of attention.

The timing was interesting, that's all. I don't know what is more interesting to me, though - your comment, or how both Hallia & Adella responded to it.....

;-)

Great minds, literally thought this right before reading your post. Though calling you a great mind might be a little bit of a stretch :P

Ugh you're town again arent you?

Spoil sport :-/

This by itself puts Nyn on my town list.

I can't fully explain why but this just really feels off to me. I read this as Adella finding a random reason to call someone town, and try to gain their trust, which would imply to me that Nynaeve is more town.
Also, my vote is on Rand. Which you don't feel is poke-worthy, evidently. LOL
:( I'm poke worthy.

[v]Adella[/v]
Hmmmm, I agree, but why?

Keeping things close to the chest? If you had a town read I could maybe understand. I don't understand the logic here of keeping your scum read to yourself. The cons outweigh the pros. We can go throught them together and I can explain why you should reveal your read if you are open to discussing that topic.

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning of why 3 votes is concerning. You have a bit of a lapse in your logic as well. "Three votes that quick". It did concern you or am I wrong?

Let's say you're right, I don't see how you can object to the votes if you haven't objected to the people that voted you or called them out on their voting you. You have said the principle of the thing is what's important, so you must not have been that concerned. I feel like you're lying or are covering something up because you're concerned about how town will respond to it. Just fyi I am a sucker for the truth. And keeping your scum read to yourself isn't helping you. Work with people it's a game, gotta trust someone eventually bud.

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uhhh as an aside I would unvote Clovdyx in preparation to vote someone else except I am not sure how specifically the protocol for it. if its the same tags and just "unvote".

Yes, keeping it to the chest for now. We can go through them together and I'll explain why I should not reveal them yet, especially considering the read is fluid and it is still early. The lecturing tone won't work on me - I'm often guilty of the same method myself, heh.

There is no lapse in logic - you are just focusing on the word "quick" when the operative word is "three". I even bolded the word "number", so I don't see why you aren't following.

How have I not objected to the people? I said I think one of them is scum....isn't that objecting to the person(s) voting me? And you're putting words into my mouth about what/whether I'm concerned about - that's a lapse in logic from you, friend. Just FYI, I'm a sucker for pouncing when people make too many assumptions.

I will trust people in this game eventually, once I have solid town reads. Part of the reason I'm not sharing specific reads just yet is because of the way I came about obtaining them. There may be a method to my madness. ;-)

Imma just say that definitely for this game, I can understand that some people may want to keep reads to their chest.

Ok

tl;dr

Hally gave good vibes, but then bad ones with the leap onto Verbal's logic. Null read

Ben gave a weird read with the townies comment, someone to keep an eye on, but nothing too significant.

Adella is my main scum read, seems to jump onto trains as they form, give town designations to people for small reasons. I think for d1, its enough that I'll [v]Adella[/v]

Agree with Sooh's vote, but confused to why that vote happened, some explanation there would be nice before I can get a read.

Verbal and Nynaeve seem normal in their interactions, and Adella's thing for Nynaeve makes me think both of them are town.

DPR I have no idea, null read, though I liked him beating the grass right out the gate. Also damn it, you remember my scum slip up too :/

Everyone else is null reads as of right now.

I haven't jumped on any trains... I'm so confused by your reasoning on me, and I'm hoping you can make it make sense, cause right now it feels like scum pointing a FOS at someone.

Sometimes the small things are what designates alignment, this is a game where all the details matter, so I don't see an issue there, maybe we just agree to disagree.

Adella · August 9, 2017

[v]Adella[/v]
Hmmmm, I agree, but why?

Agree with Sooh's vote, but confused to why that vote happened, some explanation there would be nice before I can get a read.

It seems you're the first person to notice that my vote moved, which was surprising somewhat. My vote is on her because I'm not sure her tone is genuine, and I wanted to see if she would have a reaction. So far she hasn't acknowledged it at all, which is interesting in itself.

Actually that's not true, I asked you to give a reason.

Sooh · August 9, 2017

Keep reading.

Eldrick4221 · August 9, 2017

Vote Count (1.4):

Clovdyx (1/7): SK

Hally (2/7): Adella, Nyn

Rand (2/7): Hally, DPR

Adella (2/7): Sooh, Rand

Marsh (2/7): LZM, Clov

Not Voting (3/12):

Marsh, Verb, Ben

Everyone has checked in. DL in ~45 hours (Darthe will set time)

Adella · August 9, 2017

Keep reading.

Lol, I'm caught up! I'm on mobile so I find it much easier to reply as I go so I don't lose posts. Also, this way y'all get me genuine reactions so take that as good or better as you will :laugh:

RandA lThor · August 9, 2017

[v]Adella[/v]

Care to say why?

Two things here

First of all, I remember the term ATE, but what does it mean again?

Secondly, apparently Adella did acknowledge your vote Sooh... did you miss a chunk of pages where other people acknowledged it too? Or were you trying to portray something as Adella didn't acknowledge it?

Do you think I would say that she didn't acknowledge it if I knew she had? Obviously I missed it.

Sooh, off the top of your head, have you ever played with Rand before?

I don't think so. I don't remember playing with him at least, so it can't have been many games if any.

Yeah I think you joined after my last post here (before I came back obv)

Large quote by Rand:

My reaction is that this feels like redirection. I admit that DPR's push was weak, but he did in fact explain it. Rand just asking a question that's already been answered and then rushing on to other topics is pinging me. Also, his content so far reads a lot like my own content last game (when I was scum, btw): It's a lot of agreeing with the most active players and throwing out a weak sus just to look the part. Not a good look for him so far.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was the first one to flesh out a case against Adella, Sooh kinda just voted without really explaining. Even now, I believe I'm still the strongest pusher on her, even though there really aren't any strong pushes right now. This is the exact opposite of a weak sus, idk where you're getting that read.

Well yeah, it's true you've fleshed it out. I stand by my point about redirection though.

What am I redirecting from though? Myself? I'm more than willing to talk about the case on myself, though it seems built on one statement that I wasn't sure about DM's swearing policy haha.

I keep mixing up marsh and rand

I'm offended. Marsh is nowhere near as dumb as I am.

I wasn't trying to express disagreement with either part. I was trying to show that I liked your answers. FWIW I don't really feel anything IRT Hallia - positively OR negatively - and I really don't have any issue with Adella (or anyone) giving reads like that. I give reads off posts others might not care about all the time. But that's not really relevant.

What is relevant is that I understand where you're coming from and can see YOU caring about it. The second point especially seems like a townie thought process.

And yes, that vote on Iron is a joke based on last game. I argued he was scum (correctly) based on my feeling he was fabricating his reads, since they weren't consistent with what he said in between them. The inconsistency had a lot less to do with his alignment and a lot more to do with a misunderstanding of a definition lol

Lol sry, my gif game needs to get stronger, for some reason I remember that gif as a disagreement gif. And yeah I can understand why you wouldn't have the same reads as me this early in the game, there's a lot of difference in how people get their early reads here, its when people's reads start matching to the same person that we start getting somewhere.

And ahh gotcha haha, damn that sucks for marsh lol.

Ah, ok. I was just rushing through and catching up, not paying super close attention to who was responding to what except when quotes were used. But if you DID kill everybody, the gerbil would squeak, right? So you could potentially cover all the bases with one move.
I wasn't clear on the fact that she was having a direct convo with you. I wasn't paying that close of attention.

The timing was interesting, that's all. I don't know what is more interesting to me, though - your comment, or how both Hallia & Adella responded to it.....

;-)

Great minds, literally thought this right before reading your post. Though calling you a great mind might be a little bit of a stretch :P

Ugh you're town again arent you?

Spoil sport :-/

This by itself puts Nyn on my town list.
I can't fully explain why but this just really feels off to me. I read this as Adella finding a random reason to call someone town, and try to gain their trust, which would imply to me that Nynaeve is more town.
Also, my vote is on Rand. Which you don't feel is poke-worthy, evidently. LOL
:( I'm poke worthy.

[v]Adella[/v]
Hmmmm, I agree, but why?

Keeping things close to the chest? If you had a town read I could maybe understand. I don't understand the logic here of keeping your scum read to yourself. The cons outweigh the pros. We can go throught them together and I can explain why you should reveal your read if you are open to discussing that topic.

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning of why 3 votes is concerning. You have a bit of a lapse in your logic as well. "Three votes that quick". It did concern you or am I wrong?

Let's say you're right, I don't see how you can object to the votes if you haven't objected to the people that voted you or called them out on their voting you. You have said the principle of the thing is what's important, so you must not have been that concerned. I feel like you're lying or are covering something up because you're concerned about how town will respond to it. Just fyi I am a sucker for the truth. And keeping your scum read to yourself isn't helping you. Work with people it's a game, gotta trust someone eventually bud.

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uhhh as an aside I would unvote Clovdyx in preparation to vote someone else except I am not sure how specifically the protocol for it. if its the same tags and just "unvote".

Yes, keeping it to the chest for now. We can go through them together and I'll explain why I should not reveal them yet, especially considering the read is fluid and it is still early. The lecturing tone won't work on me - I'm often guilty of the same method myself, heh.

There is no lapse in logic - you are just focusing on the word "quick" when the operative word is "three". I even bolded the word "number", so I don't see why you aren't following.

How have I not objected to the people? I said I think one of them is scum....isn't that objecting to the person(s) voting me? And you're putting words into my mouth about what/whether I'm concerned about - that's a lapse in logic from you, friend. Just FYI, I'm a sucker for pouncing when people make too many assumptions.

I will trust people in this game eventually, once I have solid town reads. Part of the reason I'm not sharing specific reads just yet is because of the way I came about obtaining them. There may be a method to my madness. ;-)

Imma just say that definitely for this game, I can understand that some people may want to keep reads to their chest.

Ok

tl;dr

Hally gave good vibes, but then bad ones with the leap onto Verbal's logic. Null read

Ben gave a weird read with the townies comment, someone to keep an eye on, but nothing too significant.

Adella is my main scum read, seems to jump onto trains as they form, give town designations to people for small reasons. I think for d1, its enough that I'll [v]Adella[/v]

Agree with Sooh's vote, but confused to why that vote happened, some explanation there would be nice before I can get a read.

Verbal and Nynaeve seem normal in their interactions, and Adella's thing for Nynaeve makes me think both of them are town.

DPR I have no idea, null read, though I liked him beating the grass right out the gate. Also damn it, you remember my scum slip up too :/

Everyone else is null reads as of right now.

I haven't jumped on any trains... I'm so confused by your reasoning on me, and I'm hoping you can make it make sense, cause right now it feels like scum pointing a FOS at someone.

Sometimes the small things are what designates alignment, this is a game where all the details matter, so I don't see an issue there, maybe we just agree to disagree.

Maybe jumping on a train isn't the right wording, but the popcorn comment after Verbal's call out of Ben seemed to me as if you were sitting on the side, content if it went somewhere and got Ben lynched, but just vague enough to not commit. And I feel like that's been most of your game right now.

DPR · August 9, 2017

So, Verb is full of shite, and Rand loves everything Verb. Good to know.

Adella · August 9, 2017

Finishing up at work, then headed home to feed the tiny human and put him down (to bed guys, just to bed) before I can get on my desktop and really dig in :wink: Rand I will get back to you on that last comment.

RandA lThor · August 9, 2017

So, Verb is full of shite, and Rand loves everything Verb. Good to know.

Does that mean by the transitive property I love everything shite?

Finishing up at work, then headed home to feed the tiny human and put him down (to bed guys, just to bed) before I can get on my desktop and really dig in Rand I will get back to you on that last comment.

I await the response haha

LedZepMan · August 9, 2017

Good lord. You all have been.m busy while I was earning my meager pay.

I gotta reread, cuz I can't absorb it all this whilst skimming the thread when my boss isn't around.

LedZepMan · August 9, 2017

I wondered who assigned us all to a focus group. So far, it's as bad as a sales meeting. I say lynch him.

I have literally never been a part of either. It can't be worse than roofing.

LedZepMan · August 9, 2017

[v]Hallia[/v]

Sorry, you're #11, the odds are not in your favor.

I'll allow it. And because I've missed you:

Vote: Rand

Joke vote, yet even for that your response is almost "too" whimsical.

Adella Hallia scum team? Perhaps

LedZepMan · August 9, 2017

I don't think there is any actual reference there, that I know of. If there is, I suppose she'll tell us.

So Rand....are you mafia?

I wish I'd been in that game. I've heard about this for years now lol

LedZepMan · August 9, 2017

Cloudflared. Didn't post the first time and it gave me a moment to have some coffee and realize that nobody is unaware of DM's policy regarding swearing. Nervous scumposting is what it smells like.

I flirt with the CoC every day, Rand just returned after long hiatus. I disagree with you're vote.

LedZepMan · August 9, 2017

Let me rephrase. I disagree with your reasons for said vote

LedZepMan · August 9, 2017

*popcorn*

thoughts on their vote and my reaction?

I actually agree with the initial thought. It's too good of an opportunity to Lynch a (possible) townie for scum to not slip a vote in there without actually looking guilty since it was a joke by multiple people.

But it's a vote train on you, so I have to take it with a grain of salt.

Mindmelding with Verb?!?! Are you crazy? I doubt scum would hop on that quick. Could be wrong, but my brain agrees with my gut on this one.

LedZepMan · August 9, 2017

Mindmeld with Verb *shudders*

Ha. Beat me to it by a majority of the day lol.

LedZepMan · August 9, 2017

*popcorn*
thoughts on their vote and my reaction?
I actually agree with the initial thought. It's too good of an opportunity to Lynch a (possible) townie for scum to not slip a vote in there without actually looking guilty since it was a joke by multiple people.

But it's a vote train on you, so I have to take it with a grain of salt.

If it wasn't the beginning of D1 I would agree with you.
The beginning of D1 is the only real time to place a joke vote and get away with it.
So you really can't tell then, until people have started moving their votes.
This is true, but a train of 3 people right out of the gate is a bit suspicious, generally day 1 votes are more spread out at first. I'm definitely not going to try to Lynch anyone based on their pile onto Verb, but I absolutely agree with him that there is likely to be scum in that train.

I thought a train of 2 on Rand was a lot in the beginning, so when Nyn jokingly voted Verb with a request for more votes I wanted to level things out as well as adding to her joke. I don't think this is any more suspicious than a random joke vote. More info will give us reason to look back, but for now this seems like a useless witch hunt.

Agreed with the bold.

Hallia · August 9, 2017

[unvote]

[V]hallia [/v]

Reading up on break. Won't really respond until I get home tonight, but why am I not surprised.

LedZepMan · August 9, 2017

Verbal so dramatic lol

Verbs doing verb. Sooh' be the dramatic one here.

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