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Clovdyx Spam Master

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  On 8/2/2015 at 11:11 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

I'll explain something - I'm the worst mafia player ever. No I have no reads on those people.

 

That's probably not true.  I've met Footy, and you seem like an intelligent person; that pretty much puts you above him by default.

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  On 8/2/2015 at 11:11 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

 

  On 8/2/2015 at 11:10 PM, Razen said:

 

  On 8/2/2015 at 10:39 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

Feel like Tabor is town. Sooh is also unsure.

Why are you unsure about Sooh?

For the same reason I said before.

 

Fair enough.  I was asking because I've had a strange feeling about her as well.  I felt like she cheerled the Lessa lynch yesterday, but didn't put her vote on until right at the end.  She also was one of the people pushing to look for potential peeks once BFG was NK'ed.

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  On 8/2/2015 at 11:14 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 8/2/2015 at 11:11 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

 

I'll explain something - I'm the worst mafia player ever. No I have no reads on those people.

That's probably not true. I've met Footy, and you seem like an intelligent person; that pretty much puts you above him by default.

lol. Thanks.

 

To make this more clear - I'm not good at casing. I make an occasional great move, but I get confused easily lol.

Clovdyx Spam Master

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Hallia (3): Razen, RTE, Kronos
Rhea (2): Laine, Hallia


Not voting (4): Taborline, Rhea, Sooh, Clovdyx

 

I think this is the votecount right now.  Hallia wagon looked very clean to me with Razen and RTE, not feeling strongly about Kronos either way right now.  I thought his posts sounded pretty good earlier, but Razen and Sooh are probably my two strongest reads right now because of the Dice lynch.  Rhea train looks worse because the best thing Laine has going for her IMO is that she seemingly didn't know who had been NK'ed, and Hallia's just a huge a question mark for me.

 

I'll [v]Taborline[/v] for now.  If I'm right about Laine, that means Tabor is the only one from my original list of teammates for Dice, unless it was Dice/Hallia/Kronos and he just didn't interact with them because they weren't posting?

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  On 8/2/2015 at 11:19 PM, Razen said:

 

  On 8/2/2015 at 11:11 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

 

  On 8/2/2015 at 11:10 PM, Razen said:

 

  On 8/2/2015 at 10:39 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

Feel like Tabor is town. Sooh is also unsure.

Why are you unsure about Sooh?

For the same reason I said before.

 

Fair enough.  I was asking because I've had a strange feeling about her as well.  I felt like she cheerled the Lessa lynch yesterday, but didn't put her vote on until right at the end.  She also was one of the people pushing to look for potential peeks once BFG was NK'ed.

 

 

So do you think she's sucked me in to her pushing for the peeks? Cuz I've been agreeing with most of what she's said. I am easily led by mafia. I've screwed up more than once that way. I wouldn't put it past mafia to be pushing for that. Which would make me look pretty stupid. 

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  On 8/2/2015 at 11:27 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

Hallia (3): Razen, RTE, Kronos

Rhea (2): Laine, Hallia

Not voting (4): Taborline, Rhea, Sooh, Clovdyx

 

I think this is the votecount right now.  Hallia wagon looked very clean to me with Razen and RTE, not feeling strongly about Kronos either way right now.  I thought his posts sounded pretty good earlier, but Razen and Sooh are probably my two strongest reads right now because of the Dice lynch.  Rhea train looks worse because the best thing Laine has going for her IMO is that she seemingly didn't know who had been NK'ed, and Hallia's just a huge a question mark for me.

 

I'll [v]Taborline[/v] for now.  If I'm right about Laine, that means Tabor is the only one from my original list of teammates for Dice, unless it was Dice/Hallia/Kronos and he just didn't interact with them because they weren't posting?

 

 

Clov, I probably missed it but who do you think were BFG's peeks?

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I have no idea.  The one that I saw being most viable for a N0 was Cairos, and I still don't know about N1.  I feel there's a few people that would have made sense to me, but there's always some little knock that makes me think otherwise.

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I just don't see BFG picking Cairos to view out of this whole list on Day 1. Just doesn't seem to fit, but maybe I missed something. Cairos' play was town enough for her to make comments suggesting that he was without a peek IMO.

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If you mean choosing after D1, I agree - I don't think she did.  He would have had to be the random N0 peek, and the only reason I came up with him is he seems to be the only one she's not saying anything negative about.  I would have expected her to peek one of the quiet, more "scummy" players N1, but there's nothing that stands out to me.  Unless she peeked Lessa and her soft defense was her way of tipping that, without completely outing herself to stop one mislynch?

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At this point I feel relatively comfortable with Laine and RTE. Clov is also fairly clear for me, though I'm not a fan of a Taborline lynch. 

 

I still find Hallia suspicious for being so uncommunicative(?). It's not really what I want to say, but it was the best word I could come up with. 

 

Kronos is not showing me enough what he thinks for me to town read him. I will agree that he reacts calmly when pushed though. 

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

My best lead at the moment. 

alannalynn Spam Master

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Clov I hate you. :dry:
 
Rhea
D1: Thinks I'm introducing WIFOM with my scenario irt Tab's wording, sides with my word picking that "special roles" refers to PRs but considers Tab's wording a newbie mistake; doesn't like RTE defending Tab with his comment "I will be looking closely at people who take the opportunity to build a train on er based on it." @Rhea right here: how can you both think Taborline's was a "noob blunder" but still find RTE's suggestion suspicious?

Misses end of day due to being sick, does not place a vote on any trains

D2: By way of gut feeling, feels that we would have caught scum on either the Dice or RTE trains, and drops a vote on Lessa because she was trying to tie the votes for a random. This is questionable because it's likely that Lessa was mafia protecting her teammate, but less likely that RTE was also scum in that situation. She leaves her vote there anyways.

Says she'll go back and reread, full D1 reads list HERE

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Simplified reads list:
Town: BFG, Razen
/Town: Sooh, Tab
Null: Cairos, Hally, Kronos
Mixed: Alanna
Mafia: RTE, Lessa

@Rhea: Where is Clov? What are your thoughts on him thus far?
And I still don't see how Dice Lessa RTE can ALL be teammates together

Update after reading D2 had RTE a little more townish, but scum read of Lessa remains; POE is Lessa/RTE/Laine/Hally; Positive point that she seems to be conceding a bit on the RTE/Lessa point due to Clov's questioning
 
D3: Already covered what I wanted to so far here, irt peeks. Do not like that she's trying to clear players based on uncertain peeks
@Rhea: What is your stance on RTE now that Lessa has flipped town?
 
**Interactions with Dice: *reminder
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Taborline
D1: My original case that her post here was a scum slip because she immediately assumes Jagen/Sooh could have been a PR instead of mafia: this is suspicious to me because the goal of a townie is to look for scum, not PRs. Her additional response of "that too" also does not work in her favor after I add in the part about Sooh's slot being mafia.
 
Additionally, saying that Sooh could have a PR is blatant role fishing and it was suspicious that since her post she backtracked and reworded her meaning that special roles included mafia? Next, scum reading everyone fosing/voting her (Sooh, Lessa, RTE) even though she says she understands why I jumped on her post in the first place.
 
Here, some reads:

  On 7/29/2015 at 12:30 PM, Taborline said:

Knowing that I'm Town, this is what I read so far.

 

Based solely on her confidence, activity and straightforward arguments (I've not felt she's been pushing anything odd, or jumping to anyone's defense), I would venture a sturdy guess that Laine is Town.

 

I really want to like Kronos for his defense of me, but he could so easily be Scum playing for Town brownie points. As soon as I'm lynched, and you see that I am indeed Town, he can ride in and say "See, I told you!"

 

BFG has me confused so far, but I'm going to go back and read again.

 

I don't particularly feel like Dice is building up to a vote, more that he's just trying to get answers and being an offensive player, but we'll see what he says today.

 

Others, I have no idea.

Later, re:Dice

  On 7/29/2015 at 3:45 PM, Taborline said:

I really don't know who to vote for. I found Dice to be more defensive when questioned, but I don't know if he's always like that.

 
I just want to quote this series of posts at EOD 1, in the light that Dice flipped mafia. This was before Cairos voted Dice, and then Lessa evened out the vote on RTE::

  On 7/29/2015 at 3:52 PM, Sooh said:

We need people to vote though. I'm with BFG and don't want to move mine.

  On 7/29/2015 at 3:53 PM, Taborline said:

I don't want to be a deciding vote on a guess, though.

  On 7/29/2015 at 3:53 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Lessa, Cairos, and Taborline are all here and haven't voted.
 
Any chance at least one is scum?

 

D2/3

Her posts here and here are very different from how she was d1. Help in the mafia QT? At the EOD she was unsure of her vote and wouldn't vote either way, until Cairos and Lessa came in and tilted/evened out the trains again. Then start of D1 and suddenly she's got a strong read on RTE and talks though the events of d1.

Her reads end up like so:

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Most likely Town: RTE, Sooh, BFG

Suspicious Scum: WBK, Clov, Lessa

And she places her vote on Lessa. @Tab: at this point, what were your reads on the other players? You seem to be missing out Razen, Hally, Alanna, and Rhea. Was there a reason for this?

 

Also, why did you believe Raz's vote on Dice could be scummy? This post

 

Doesn't like Hally's posts after Sooh's suggestions, wants to know why the switch on RTE. Which is odd for me, being that Tabor never took a stance on RTE d1 to begin with. Haven't seen much from her since she just kind of went with the flow on the Hally sus, so I'm not sure what to think of that yet. Feels like mafia laying low now that she's not under suspicion, as opposed to town trying to figure out the game.

 

**Interactions with Dice: I remember D1 disagreeing with BFG that Dice was leading up to vote Taborline. His wording lead me more to believe that he was waffling on how he should be reading her, especially adding in the noob card for her and debating how that should be weighed for/against her favor.  Being that he DIDN'T vote Taborline and went with no lynch instead doesn't look good for Taborline here.

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  On 8/3/2015 at 4:01 AM, alannalynn said:

Shhhh Tress.... people are sleepingggggg and those red letters hurt my eyes :sad:

 

oh sorry

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  On 8/3/2015 at 4:10 AM, Songstress said:

 

  On 8/3/2015 at 4:01 AM, alannalynn said:

Shhhh Tress.... people are sleepingggggg and those red letters hurt my eyes :sad:

 

oh sorry

It's okay but thanks for talking in ghostly whispers lol

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Also, I'm sorry Clov, I don't hate you. :wub: But obviously I'm going to [unvote] [v]Taborline[/v] at this point, just looking over her ISO. I still need to ISO Hally though and see if that train looks legit. I would appreciate some answers from both Rhea and Taborline from my above post please, though.

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ISO Hallia. I haven't included all posts. Just the ones I deemed relevant. Has to be cut in half because DM...

 

 

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This is early D1. Hallia seems to be unsure of Laine and directly suspicious of RTE. 

 

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This is where she votes RTE. At the time, because she quoted Kronos at the time of her vote, it looked like she was sheeping Kronos. Her only two comments to RTE before this in her catch up was "Ewwww" for the post he had about some of the top posters possibly being scum, and a jokingly " and I will be looking more closely at you!" back to him when he said he would look closely at those voting Taborline. 

 

I still think her case against RTE was super weak. She simply adopted other people's views on him and seemed to not give him much thought herself. 

 

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This is 15 mins before EOD1. She commented on Dice being defensive regardless alignment, but never responded to my question that came in one minute after her post. To me this looks like soft defending a team mate. 

 

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Cont. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Lays off RTE completely. Starts saying Rhea makes her nervous. 

 

 

  On 8/1/2015 at 3:42 AM, Hallia said:

Meh.  Not really anyone on that seems interested in moving, and it appears this is just a foregone formality

 

Vote: Lessa

20-ish minutes before EOD2 there's this vote on Lessa, who hasn't been mentioned before in Hallia's posts. This pings me a little. She says later in a post that she wanted to make a definite stand. A definite stand on Lessa who she hasn't talked about at all? I agree that it's a bit weird for scum to join in a town lynch like that all the way at the end, but isn't that sort of scum's job too? To blend in? 

 

 

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Her D3 consists of voting Rhea and looking for people who are SHC. She has put a lot of thought into that, and not nearly enough in my opinion on showing why Rhea is suspicious. The only case she seems to have on Rhea was that she looked suspicious for thinking there was still a chance RTE was mafia. 

 

There are still a few hours left in the Day, and I do hope she comes back to clear things up. Until then though, I'm happy with my vote. 

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Hallia:
D1: Original plus on her response to my vote, calls me out for backing down on Tab, didn't like RTE's pointing out that one of the active posters is scum

Here Likes Sooh's reads (RTE good content, Laine/BFG t/t interaction, Tab not a lot of game content, Clov nitpicky but needs time to read, nothing on Dice but not there yet with RTE finding Dice scummy); likes my comment on the role-fishing and PR/scum thing irt Taborline; (to RTE) not sure if Tab's blunder was from newness or not, says she'll be watching RTE.
@Hally: right here, were you sitting the fence on Taborline or did/do you have an opinion either way?

This post here  She says she likes Rhea's hunches (this is in reference to Rhea calling out RTE for his defending of Taborline and "looking closely at those who vote her" -- This is confusing to me because in the last post of hers with the "I'm not so sure" it felt like she was leaning toward Tab's actions being scummy, but here it feels like she's equally agreeing with Rhea's notion that RTE is scummy for defending Taborline. She subsequently agrees with Kronos' case on RTE and votes him with "Could be scum defending a teammate, could be scum white-knighting a new townie, either way..."
@Hally Is RTE the type to openly protect a teammate, bus them, or spread the suspicion around?

Says she's liking Kronos' reads so far, as well as Sooh's. Alanna, BFG, and Clov are also coming off as town. RTE is her single scum. Where is Taborline on this list?

Soft defense of Dice "Dice is defensive both ways" this was 14 minutes before DL and her vote is on RTE, this would be after Taborline states that Dice became more defensive when questioned and she wasn't sure if he was always like that. At this point, I can feel a team between Hally/Tab/Dice a little bit, I don't think that's very farfetched.

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  On 7/31/2015 at 3:59 AM, Hallia said:

We have until tomorrow to finish moving everything out of/cleaning our old apartment, so I was scarce after work today, catching up.
 
I do think that the chances of RTE being scum are now very very low.  I am also glad that a Dice is dead and scum, because I have a terrible time reading him.

EW. This post seems really innocent, but she's clearing RTE saying he's not scum now. Assuming that you possibly thought Taborline was scum with RTE d1 or that he was white-knighting her as scum, you're not really following up with that at this point, but she's suspicious of Rhea and okay with a CFD there. Eventually she drops an unnecessary vote on Lessa.

D3:

  On 8/2/2015 at 3:53 PM, Hallia said:

My business is over thank Jeebus.
With the Seer death, I really think we should all do a reread and try to deduce peeks, I'm going through right now.
In the meantime, I'm going to go with what I think we should've done yesterday and
Vote: Rhea

Okay, she did state her intention to vote Rhea yesterday, that's for sure. But I don't see why she didn't push it if she were town, especially being that Lessa was getting lynched regardless. Also, why she didn't follow up on a read of Taborline (independent of RTE), which I'm finding fishy. I stopped pushing Taborline for a while and her lynch has yet to gain any traction. That Hally was even SOMEWHAT suspicious of Taborline d1 is fishy to me because she hasn't brought it up since.

What's getting me though is WHY did she vote Lessa unless she really thought she was scum. That is a townie thing to do, imo, not a scummy thing. If she were scum, she would know that Lessa would flip town. If she were scum, she might have gained town credit for being one of the only people looking in a different direction from a townie lynch. I just don't see a situation here that makes sense with her being mafia and making that vote on the Lessa lynch. This is probably the only point in her favor, yet it's the reason that some people are voting her?

Last posts are trying to determine BFG's peeks: no conclusion.
Spoilered are the votes on Hally thus far:  (potential questions for Razen, RTE, Kronos, Sooh inside)

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Overall, I'm not entirely opposed to a Hallia lynch, but I'm getting caught up in that vote for Lessa, which doesn't make sense from a mafia standpoint. That and the fact that her train isn't entirely clean-looking to me... it feels like people are just going for an easy target and that bothers me a little. I don't know, I really want to hear more from Hally, especially if she's town

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Well hello Sooh!

 

I'll be around for a little longer, I'm working on some things for school right now.. buying books, setting up tuition payments.. work accommodations. It all sucks.

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  On 8/3/2015 at 8:02 AM, alannalynn said:

Well hello Sooh!

 

I'll be around for a little longer, I'm working on some things for school right now.. buying books, setting up tuition payments.. work accommodations. It all sucks.

I just spent all my money.

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I was suddenly called by my dentist and had to run. Still here, Laine? If so I would love to discuss Hallia with you. I see we have some of the same points and you have noticed things I didn't. 

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