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Agitel

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  1. I think the Aryth Ocean is just depicted as too wide on that map.

     

    Regarding the nature of time in The Wheel of Time, it seems linear and without beginning. However, the course of events/history in the WoT is cyclical.

  2. While there is no official religion in the Wheel of Time, the Children of the Light and the Aes Sedai provide rather different takes on what human relations to the One Power should be, and that his theological significance for people. There are people who sympathize with the Children more than Aes Sedai, even if most governments formally recognize the Aes Sedai as a near religious institution in authority. And if you think about it, both Children and Aes Sedai tend to be bullies in their own way, using their respective power (or threat of it) to get their way.

     

    The Children are tolerated in most nations, probably because of the sympathy people have for them. They have to be careful not to overstep their authority, at least not without risking war. The Almoth Plain was pretty much stateless. The only governments were the local towns.

  3. Martin has always been protective of his characters. They are real to him, in a way. He has stated he doesn't want another author to pick it up if he passes. That may end up being the case, or he might just not want to be talking about such things just yet. Regarding whether or not he owes his fans anything, I can be on board with that. I think his comments there need to be taken in context the abuse he got from some fans while Feast and Dance were being written.

  4. I think we're trying too hard if we're trying to work in real-world cosmology and evolution into The Wheel of Time. Randland is set on Earth. But obviously it's a fictional, mythological alternative history in which we suspend our disbelief. Everything going on is the origin of Norse mythology with Tyr, Thor, Odin, etc.... And it's also at the same time Ragnarok. Plus other mythological/religious/legendary motifs are worked in.

  5. On 8/15/2020 at 6:41 PM, Harldin said:

    The big issue against RW being Earth is the Global Map, it is completely and totally different.

     

    I disagree with this. I made a topic eleven (!!!) years ago looking at the geography, and honestly I think Randland-through-Shara maps up to Europe, North Africa, and most of Asia insanely well. I know much of Africa is "gone" but looking closely at maps of North Africa I feel like hints of the Shadow Coast and even Tremalking are present.

     

     

    I post additional pictures later in the topic, too.

     

  6. Quote

    IT IS NOT HERE.
    It was not Rand’s thought, making his skull vibrate.
    I WILL TAKE NO PART. ONLY THE CHOSEN ONE CAN DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, IF HE WILL.
    “Where?” He did not want to say it, but he could not stop himself. “Where?” The haze surrounding him parted, leaving a dome of clear, clean air ten spans high, walled by billowing smoke and dust. Steps rose before him, each standing alone and unsupported, stretching up into the murk that obscured the sun.
    NOT HERE.

     

    Perhaps it's not explicit and we've been told it's left to the reader's interpretation, but "I am not sure why you think..." is a bit of a strong criticism here.

  7. We do hear from the Creator once. He speaks to Rand at the end of The Eye of the World.

     

    The Dark One remains somewhat mysterious. We don't have a breakdown of who or what he is. But he seems very one-dimensional, and I don't mean that as a criticism of the books. He's influential, but he seems made up of the worst of all human traits, and this limits him as he's pretty much only these traits coalesced into some aware-of-itself force. He keeps running the same strategy over and over again. He doesn't think of anything else because he doesn't understand goodness. He seems ultimately focused on turning the Creator's champion specifically. Ultimately a force of chaos against order, but one who seems pretty ineffectual when he doesn't have humanity/intelligent beings to cooperate with him. Humanity ultimately broke the prison and in their selfishness allowed things to progress as they did.

     

    Without him it seems humanity loses a part of itself. But is he the source or is he the result of their creation? I don't know, it seems like a chicken and the egg question. And is he on par with the Creator or himself a creation of him? Again, no idea.

  8. On 4/25/2014 at 3:55 PM, Talmanes said:

    Didn't it basically say he was just able to use the Source without channeling? That was the Sharan prophecy wasn't it?

     

    That's sort of my take. He's so intimately familiar with the True Source now it's not even about weaving anymore.

     

    Edit: Someone mentioned T'A'R above, and perhaps Rand learned to make possibilities of alternate worlds (like through the Portal Stones) present in some way. *shrugs*

  9. I'm not entirely opposed to these types of arguments. I know I've made them for other adaptations, while defending increased diversification in others. The nations in the books are all very carefully developed.

     

    I don't know if I'm older, have seen more adaptations come and go (compared to myself in the past), or for some reason am just more okay with these types of liberties being taken in the WoT, but honestly... It just doesn't bother me here.

  10. I expect A Place of Safety to be Shadar Logoth (an ironic title, but one the gang thought would be true since it sheltered them from trollocs) or have to do with evens soon after Shadar Logoth if the gang splits up. 

     

    The Dragon Reborn will be Caemlyn and surrounding events. 

     

    Episode 5 will be titled The Eye of the World and will be the climax of the first book. 

     

    Episode 6 is the start of TGH. 

  11. The only thing that very minorly gets me is Pike's height, but for a TV adaptation it's not a big deal for me. There are far more important concerns.

     

    I'll add that it's very difficult for a younger actor to bring the sort of gravitas that Moiraine's character needs. 

  12. 11 hours ago, Tyevic said:

    How Texan? I am from Texas and don't see it. They to me are more like the Asian culture than anything else.

     

    I remember Jordan comparing their speech (often described by the main characters as a "drawl") to a Texan drawl. Beyond how he imagined their speech I don't think there are any cultural similarities.

  13. This is a world of magic, and Rand is not dealing with a normal mental illness but one caused by magical corruption. In fact, we see what must be a magical protection for him later when Nynaeve looks at the way the taint has settled on his mind.

  14. The westlands is Europe, north Africa, and west Asia, which places Dragonmount in eastern Europe/western Asia. Look at the world map. You can see practically all of Asia to the east, and even the worn down Himalayas above the Termool.

     

    My old thoughts on this.

     

     

    There was another topic I went into my analysis, but I can't find it right now. I always meant to revisit Seanchan. The southern portion is northern South America and then some. I also meant to take a real globe and modify it to Randland, but ah well...

     

     

  15. In the Two Rivers, the prefix "al" is like how in Ireland and Scotland you have family names starting with O, Mc, and Mac. It just means "son of". Or among the Danish ending a name with "son". At some point it just became a family name instead of actually being about that person's actual father.  I believe the prefix "ay" is actually "daughter of." You see this particularly when Moiraine's talking about old Manetheren king's and queens. Interestingly, and it may be nothing as the name just may be common, one of the old Manetheren king's names was Thorin.

  16. I will be thinking of specifics more, but I'm okay with significant condensing, so long as the tone and character development is on point. I can imagine season two ending in the Stone of Tear, for example.

     

    I was fine with what was originally proposed for the Dornish plot in A Game of Thrones, for example, but felt that what we got was just terrible television and didn't feel remotely correct.

  17. I do love Sanderson's original works, and I'm very happy that he was able to step in and dedicate so much time and effort into wrapping up the series for Jordan, going well-beyond what was originally agreed to in order to do it. And certainly stepping into someone else's massive epic fantasy and having to tie it up is no easy task, and near impossible and one I imagine most authors would balk at, and one that absolutely no one could do perfectly. And, for whatever reason, I think there were problems in the editing (and I do not pin the blame on any one person), particularly with Towers of Midnight. Still, I definitely enjoyed reading the ending. It was not a bad experience. In fact, it was wonderful. You can tell that Sanderson did love the series. So, with all that said...

     

    I would have preferred that Jordan got to finish the series. Jordan's prose is stronger, Jordan's dialogue is stronger, Jordan's handling of multiple plot lines (particularly since they were his own) is more adept. Knife of Dreams proved that Jordan still had it in him, and I was never as bogged down by PoD or CoT the way others were, nor did I think they went off track. I think the closing would have been better under Jordan, if only because it would be more true to rest of the series.

     

    I mean no disrespect towards Sanderson, and I truly appreciate that he made his contribution. I'm a big fan of Elantris, Warbreaker, Mistborn, and Stormlight Archives. He is incredibly creative and unique in his works and magical systems and world building. In fact, his writing style very much fits with the way I think when writing (not that I could write as well as him). I'd probably have even more experience with his other works if I still read as much fantasy as I used to (though I am still following Mistborn and Stormlight Archives). 

  18. I have not re-read the series since my early twenties, and I would very much like to do so again at some point. I never got that impression from the women. I always kind of saw it as "female bias" and "female privilege" in their world, to put it in modern day terms I wouldn't have thought of a few years ago. It's even more than that, though, it's a bit of a photo negative of the way "patriarchal men" have thought of women in the real world for thousands of years. It's not a direct one-to-one comparison, mind, and Jordan really emphasized a tension between the sexes as being a constant motif throughout the series.

     

    Putting aside their backwards attitudes towards the sexes and just looking at the politicking... is it really much different than the way men politic? The way men don't trust each other? The way men think they've known best throughout history? Or do we just see it as worse because women are doing it? The way a man expressing certain traits is seen as a great leader, but if a women expresses those same traits she's "bossy" or "****y"? How many male characters have I seen brush off things the way Siuan did Min's prophecy? And certainly I've seen people roll their eyes and beat their fists when a man is shown as doing this, not necessarily in dislike of the character, but just wanting to grab them by the shoulders and shake some sense into them and relieve the "omg we're building towards something bad" tension, but I've never seen it attributed to it being a poor portrayal of the male sex. 

     

    Perhaps the portrayal is really way off. As stated, it's been some years since I've picked up the series. I always saw the tension played up for humor, though... a bit tongue in cheek. And to add, I've seen other readers who get all mad at Egwene, Elayne, or Nynaeve for behaving the way they do. Like... legitimately mad and frustrated and calling them idiots or worse for the way they think about others. I don't know... I never did. I always liked their characters. 

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    Wasn't in the books, just something I think he has stated when asked if X magic system could be used on world Y... I'll try to find the quote on his forums.

    Yea. That's a mistake. Put your stuff into books, not into interviews. Seriously.

     

    BTw how do we know she wnt to other world?

     

     

    Let's not be too judgmental on this point too soon. We're obviously still supposed to find Jasnah's disappearance a mystery. We'll see how Brandon explains it. At this point, I don't think you're expected to know this just yet. It's not a "you have to read the other books to get it" fact just yet. I mean, it might help you pick up on things sooner, but allow him the next book to actually clarify what happened with her.

     

    That magic system point might not really be relevant to the whole plot anyway. That's just dork-talk (and I don't mean that as an insult). Or maybe it will be, give Szeth's sword. We'll have to see.

     

    Not sure if it's confirmed she actually worldhopped, though. She obviously went into the spren-world at the least.

  20. I'm intrigued by what Sanderson's doing with the introduction of some Warbreaker elements, particularly near the end. This is more than just the usual Easter Eggs. I'm not saying it's a good or a bad idea. It could go horribly wrong for people who aren't dedicated fans. But I'm curious.

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