[Advanced] Lost Mafia--Game Over!

[Sooh]

 

 

 

And I'm alone in the thread

 

Keep catching up then.

 

I'm here. WATCHING.

 

WATCH away lol

 

 

Oh btw, you got lynched a couple of pages ago. 

 

Ha! Joke's on you, the noose wasn't tight enough!

[Sooh]

I skimmed the first 20 pages or so, standard stuff (though I always love seeing what people I've never played with end up posting during D1 garbage time). Focused a lot closer from page 30-current. First:

 

*sidenote: Remind me to never ever ever ever in a million years eat milk products again, no matter how tasty they are.

Sooh, this is your courtesy reminder not to eat dairy. This has been a Random public service announcement.

 

Since I won't really be able to play from tomorrow morning until Saturday night or so, I won't be voting until then. I normally love being super active at first, but I'm rather happy I'll be forced to read more and see what unfolds over the next 1.5 days. Then you'll all get the full hero.

 

lol thanks <3

[Sooh]

 

either im re-affirming my claim from earlier because it's true or i read the posts he made when he popped in earlier and felt they were lacluster since i thought it was at a time where the shitposting period had ended and people were making posts/giving reads making it possible to have some sort of content, so i'm continuing to press the claim in order to apply pressure in the hopes he responds to me or others with something where i can get an idea of his alignment

 

 

Problem with Notbob is that he's kind of a tough nut to crack. Plays is extremely close to the vest and so he always seems inherently scummy to me. Gotta beat stuff out of him. And he generally enjoys it too lol

 

Please teach me this trick of beating it out of him. Clearly I'm not getting it yet.

 

 

And I can't help reading this post to myself in a suggestive manner.

 

[Sooh]

Sooh... #realtalk.... are you scumming?  

Scumming? no. 

 

In terms of your method of reading me though I can see this brainwave. I've just been busy/sick/exhausted this week, and will be until school's out for Christmas. It is what it is. 

[Andrej]

I can dig it.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

DPR,

 

what are your thoughts on shad's alignment?

 

 

I get the impression Shad is focussing on rep more than this game. I say that because we are in d1, barely past (or maybe not even) the shitposting and it would be silly to spec on player's alignments so early because of the high-percentage chance that you'll be wrong.

 

I've never played with Shad before now. I'll keep an eye on him along with the others and let you know what I see.

 

Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on shad's alignment?

 

 

im asking because earlier you speculated on mine and eldrick's alignments and i'm curious if you are shitting on the way shad plays the game because you think he's either a wolf trying to back up reads with fake reasonings or you think he's a villager and just enjoy criticizing how other people play.

 

just because you make a read, doesn't mean you have to be married to it. you can change it. this game isn't just about being right, it's about making reads and backing them up with how you got there so people can get an idea of how you play/read the game and also lets people get a read on you, because making yourself an obvious town when you are town is just as important, if not more so, than being correct.

 

I am leaning towards shad being town for the simple reason that he seems to be trying to figure out the game and at this point on day 1, thats good enough for me.

 

 

^ This is the sort of thing I like to see - disingenuous logic wrapped up in caring. This is good.

 

To be precise, I offered an opinion regarding qualities of Eldrick's posting. I placed a vote on Eldrick. I further noted your remarks concerning Eldrick's post and my vote on him as defensive toward Eldrick  - and I went for the drama free version of this, so let me know if you see anything that is not factually correct.

 

I offered my opinion because that's the thought I had after I read yours and Eldrick's posts. Simples. You can take it or leave it.

 

Your statement above: "im asking because earlier you speculated on mine and eldrick's alignments and i'm curious if you are shitting on the way shad plays..."

 

Of course I speculated on yours and Eldrick's alignments. That is why we're here, no? You seem offended by this, which we'll get to, but first I'll note that "speculation on mine and Eldrick's alignments" and "if you are shitting on the way shad plays" are two, entirely different things. Why did you try to combine them? To me, it reads as nervous defending, which would be odd on d1 with almost no voting going on?

 

I'll also point out that Shad engaged me. Why would you twist this?

 

Last, you providing two possibilities for why I committed the act that I did not actually commit is commonly referred to as "leading the witness". In my experience, the only reason to do this is to create a narrative within the minds of the jury (those voting in this case) and nudge them toward a conclusion. I do not, in fact, have either opinion of Shad.

 

That's the first paragraph - I'll call "Setting The Mood". The second is where you dive right, assuming that the voters have enjoyed the Koolaid you've served, and you present the classic kindly-yet-condescending admonishment as to how the game is played... 

 

I appreciate your concern, really, but I'm reasonably confident I can muddle my way through this.

 

As for your leaning town on shad, good. You're on record for being so. Honestly, if you're town, that's the only thing you've said or done that's worth a shit. 

 

 

Humor me here. What in your mind should a villager be doing on day 1?

 

 

I'm going to pick up on the part above where I noted bop seeming to be offended by my remarks and I'm going to speak to what I suspect is happening on this day 1.

 

When you play with a group of folks long enough, you run the risk of slowly but surely repeating the same game over and over. I get the feeling that's what's happening here. Everyone is used to each other's meta, they all have their part to play and it's very nicely choreographed. Making alignment calls on day 1 is a symptom of this. Explaining to others that they are not playing correctly is another, although there are nuances in that case to be explored.

 

To answer your question, day 1 is (usually) the only point in the game without hard info. It's a meet & greet. It may provide clues further down the road, or it may not. Only an unskilled player will give themselves up on day 1, no? I laughed at bop's statement above regarding the need to appear obvious town - what a complete waste of time. And that's what I'm talking about - the choreographed way that this group plays has nothing to do with how other's play, and if you've allowed yourself to fall into a rut, you can bet that it won't be long before someone comes along to exploit that.

 

Anyway, it looks like I've not played with 8 out of our 15. And, of the 6 (or 7 counting the hydra) 3 have barely posted. The other is Darf, and no matter how much he posts, he's barely posted.

 

My plan is to enjoy day 1, get the lay of the land and see what you bedbugs have gotten up to since I've been away. I'll make comments to contribute and as I said above, you can take 'em or leave 'em - I have no expectation either way - as they are just a way to put myself on record and maybe add a piece to someone else's puzzle.

 

This is a good post. 

[Sooh]

I can dig it.

What are you digging?

 

Hole to China?

 

Listen puppy, that's not where your bone is buried.

[Sooh]

and not bob is still a wolf

Is this one of those where if you say it often enough it becomes true?

[Sooh]

 

 

 

I'm torn between asking what games those were and slapping myself for encouraging you.

Would you consider it a reasonable assessment of your scum game in general?

Certainly not - everybody has ticks, but the point of this game is to be a chameleon. To *not* play the same every time, so that people can't peg you through meta. I've played loud, quiet, aggressive, scum, town, drunk, whatever. I'm genuinely surprised that people depend so much on meta now - it's weird, like once your known for a meta, you have an obligation to live up to it. It's baffling.

Dpr is old wizened me for anyone wanting a meta on him.

 

This scares me more than you know.

[Andrej]

 

I can dig it.

What are you digging?

 

Hole to China?

 

Listen puppy, that's not where your bone is buried.

I meant your string of posts there. They read pretty well to me and I was starting to wonder when/if you'd be getting into it.

 

And don't worry, this dog knows where to bury his bone

[Andrej]

 

and not bob is still a wolf

Is this one of those where if you say it often enough it becomes true?

I'm open to hearing about why NB belongs on the naughty list. So far he hasn't done anything different than his start in Hackers

[Nynaeve]

Please teach me this trick of beating it out of him. Clearly I'm not getting it yet.

 

 

And I can't help reading this post to myself in a suggestive manner.

 

 

 

I just keep harassing him until he gives me something to work with. But looks like AJ is the expert at reading NB, so maybe he's better suited to give you tips :P

 

Also... the suggestive part was possibly on purpose.

[Sooh]

 

 

I can dig it.

What are you digging?

 

Hole to China?

 

Listen puppy, that's not where your bone is buried.

I meant your string of posts there. They read pretty well to me and I was starting to wonder when/if you'd be getting into it.

 

And don't worry, this dog knows where to bury his bone

 

That's what he said?

[Andrej]

I wouldn't call it expertise. It's just more about recognizing you're not going to get super in depth analysis. He's blunt and concise. Take it how you see it imo

[Sooh]

 

Please teach me this trick of beating it out of him. Clearly I'm not getting it yet.

 

 

And I can't help reading this post to myself in a suggestive manner.

 

 

 

I just keep harassing him until he gives me something to work with. But looks like AJ is the expert at reading NB, so maybe he's better suited to give you tips :P

 

Also... the suggestive part was possibly on purpose.

 

I mean, last game I was kind of forced to look at him since he was tunneling on Eldrick and myself, and while I read him correctly as town I still somehow second guessed myself and we ended up voting him, so clearly I'm not the one to look to for advice on how to read NB.

[Nynaeve]

 

Sooh... #realtalk.... are you scumming?  

Scumming? no. 

 

In terms of your method of reading me though I can see this brainwave. I've just been busy/sick/exhausted this week, and will be until school's out for Christmas. It is what it is. 

 

 

I know it's not a bulletproof method, but it has worked well for me. I've also scummed with you in Clov's game and thread avoidance is kind of a thing for you. I'm gonna give you some space.... for now... to let you do your thing. But if you don't get your head in the game eventually... we're gonna be talking again real soon :P

[Nynaeve]

I wouldn't call it expertise. It's just more about recognizing you're not going to get super in depth analysis. He's blunt and concise. Take it how you see it imo

 

Sarcasm.

[Sooh]

 

 

Sooh... #realtalk.... are you scumming?  

Scumming? no. 

 

In terms of your method of reading me though I can see this brainwave. I've just been busy/sick/exhausted this week, and will be until school's out for Christmas. It is what it is. 

 

 

I know it's not a bulletproof method, but it has worked well for me. I've also scummed with you in Clov's game and thread avoidance is kind of a thing for you. I'm gonna give you some space.... for now... to let you do your thing. But if you don't get your head in the game eventually... we're gonna be talking again real soon :P

 

Fair enough

[Hallia]

 

 

 

 

 

NB, give me some thoughts pls

I'd like some blood in the water, WTL Darthe, Shad or Eldrick.

Nb prob a wolf

 

I don't like any three of those for WTL.  Nyn did a fantastic job during the day;  my turn >=D

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

 

The quips about Shad needing to get out more are probably nothing more than that so I wouldn't take those too highly into consideration. They don't bother me at least, I think that's just his personality to bust balls so null.

The part about him seemingly having no read is my problem currently as well. The back and forth reads more like deflection if he's not actually taking anything away from it. I'll wait for him to respond though.

I agree with the bold. That's how I read it too.

I'm ok with him not having a read yet, though. It's still very early and several reads aren't developed yet.

Not having fully developed reads by now is fine, yeah.

 

What I'm talking about is more like this:

 

I get the impression Shad is focussing on rep more than this game. I say that because we are in d1, barely past (or maybe not even) the shitposting and it would be silly to spec on player's alignments so early because of the high-percentage chance that you'll be wrong.

What's his take away from all that? I can probably assume but what I want to see is the connecting of the dots and follow through otherwise it reads more like he's just deflecting and arguing to counter punch rather than actually try to resolve Shad. It's the progression that matters imo.

 

I kind of agree. I think it's fine not to lock yourself into reads on D1, but this just reads like an excuse. Even if he's not comfortable locking Shad in yet he has talked to Shad and asked questions of him and such. I mean, even saying he's null because reasons stated is better than nothing imo.

 

 

 

I think it's best if we go ahead and nip this kind of thing in the bud - I won't be playing the way that people recognize or are comfortable with. It's not to be contrary or disruptive - It's because I see no value in it. 

[Eldrick4221]

Up to end of pg45. Have to head in to work soon and won't catch up yet.

 

But I want to address this before I forget.

 

@Darthe what about that exchange makes shad/wiffy not w/w. I don't see what excludes it.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

 

 

 

Ima Vote Eldrick

 

His posts seems a little off  - self meta, spammy chat & role spec are no bueno.

Eh?

 

Self meta he was asked to give, spammy chat like everyone else and what part of it was role spec? Only think I noticed was speculating over the number of scums.

 

 

This^^^^

 

 

 

 

If town consistently NLed on D1 more games would be won. Townies typically get killed D1. Huge advantage day for scum. But, no lynching is boring to people.

Plus how would we get the #info with a no lynch?

You still make people give there reads. Im not saying it is perfect but I used to be a big advocate for it.

 

I see both you and dpr took me seriously here. Should probably have added a

 

 

 

 

SOOH: can you please let me know if you are in favor of a NL or not and why?  same with DPR?  though he has kind of stated it throughout the thread.  However, I did not understand it.

 

I think NL has its purpose in the end phases of games where there's an even amount of players left. I'm not used to no lynch on D1, and I can't say that I think it would be good play, even if we end up not mislynching a townie as is often the case.

 

Does that make sense?

 

 

Yes, it does.  Thank you for answering.  

 

Oh and a side note:

 

 

Up to end of pg45. Have to head in to work soon and won't catch up yet.

 

But I want to address this before I forget.

 

@Darthe what about that exchange makes shad/wiffy not w/w. I don't see what excludes it.

 

I don't get it either? This is one thing about this game that I don't get and that is the "exclusions" of 2/3 people from being w/w, w/v, v/w etc.  Could someone please explain this to me.

 

I just got off phone with tech support for 2-3 hours....confirmed townie....I think Calder said so

[Andrej]

I have an idea of what Darthe was getting at but I'll allow him to explain.

[Andrej]

I think it's best if we go ahead and nip this kind of thing in the bud - I won't be playing the way that people recognize or are comfortable with. It's not to be contrary or disruptive - It's because I see no value in it.

That's all good and fine but I'm sure you know that people are still going to ask you stuff.

 

Can you tell me what you think about Bop and what pings you about NB?

[Shad_]

sup

 

I'm really tired.

 

8 pages shouldn't be too rough.