Danger in Demons Cove GAME OVER Villains win

[Wildfire Sedai]

I'm here.  Just got caught up.  gonna do the ISO'S of tress and kat and see where I get....also might ISO turin....so I will do my best to stay caught up while doing my ISO's...shouldn't be too hard as they are short.  

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay just finished the ISO on tress: she made a reads list which I don't totally agree with:  The only parts I do agree with is the top 3 town leans; her hallia read; and kat being null so far...haven't done kat's ISO yet...will do after this. I know that for the first day she was over kaylee's so I can't hold that against her.  However, she has had this whole last week to post and hasn't, except night time.  I just don't understand.  It's one thing if it takes her a couple of hours to do a long post, its another if she just doesn't post at all.   so I think that she is scum. 

 

 

 

Just finished a re-read, and can I say I'm pretty glad Zander wasn't in this game or I would have never finished before I passed out >.>  (love you Zanderiffic....   )

 

Quick and dirty reads before bed - I can expand on things in the morning and try to stay current while at work...

 

 

Alanna - skimmed her posts because yay innocent child 

 

Nyn - looks like she is legit trying to figure people out and I can follow where she's thinking.  I like when Nyn is all townie up in my face 

 

Sooh - I think she would have been a little less carefree and willing to draw attention if she was not town (I think she took BFG's "the bold" descriptor to heart here)

Dice - Gut read says most likely town, and my gut is rarely wrong on Dice.  (I... um... won't mention that I wasn't completely right on him in Rey's Caesar game, but then I wasn't playing that one and I didn't try that hard to figure it out.  Really.)

 

Clov - I have absolutely zero confidence that I can read him correctly.  Cautiously optimistic as he is making a lot of sense, but... He's never town for me on D1.  *shakes head stubbornly*

 

Niniel - Mixed... I think I have difficulty with how Nini expresses herself sometimes, it feels a little awkward.  Her seriousness about the joke votes comes across as weird. But my gut says it feels legit to me that she didn't notice the sample town role PM in the writeup and I don't know what to do with that right now.

 

Kat - True null

Pral - True null

 

WiFi - I'm not sure I know how to read her - we were on the same mafia team in her one and only mafia game so far, but that was a weird one due to the conflicting win conditions, and she's played a few more since then and is continuing to develop.  I'd like to keep an eye on this one for now to see what opinions she comes up with before forming an opinion.

 

Talmanes - I can't remember specifics off the top of my head, but a few things pinged me while reading.  I may be able to go back and identify those later but it's getting late and my brain is starting shutdown since the tiny morning people woke me up at oh-dark-thirty.

 

Hallia - Not feeling the Town!Hally just now, and I agree with Nyn's point that her vote on Niniel felt off.  Her reasoning included things that Niniel had already explained and it didn't seem like she had acknowledged or considered.  

 

Ironeyes - kind of the inverse of my Sooh read, he's definitely come across as self-conscious about appearances.   Most willing to vote here at this point.

 

 

Sorry the weekend was a bust for me being involved in the game - it's very hard to concentrate on mafia without being rude to one's hosts, and even more difficult when there are screaming toddlers vying for attention and demanding to steal my phone.     I'll be up at a reasonable hour in the morning, with coffee and hopefully half a functioning brain.  

 

 

Niniel - Mixed... I think I have difficulty with how Nini expresses herself sometimes, it feels a little awkward.  Gut says it feels legit to me that she didn't notice the sample town role PM in the writeup.  

[BFG]

DAY 3 VoteCount

 

WiFi (1): Hallia

 

Clov (1): Dice

 

Tress (1): Soot

 

Dice (1): Turin

 

Not voting (5): Clov, Ironeyes, Katiora, Tress, WiFi

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

Kat, kat, kat....you are such an enigma.  I believe you are town for posts like these:

 

 

 

 

 

[v] Sooh [/v]

 

A fun experiment. 

 

Seems to be a joke vote

 

 

I have re-read the game and I don´t know about Sooh. It sounds like she wanted to get things going but when I got serious (by voting her) she omgus voted me because I was serious. It seems really weird to me. 

 

On the other side. Last game when we played together she was very active like this and then she was town. And no one else seem to agree with me. I think I will unvote. 

 

[unvote]

 

 

Hallia, had you read my posts after the one you quoted before you voted me? 

 

but isn't a joke vote? I don't understand this. 

 

1. WiFi - I didn´t like the way she suspected me and then voted Hallia for weird reasons. Just following others. Don´t know how much of this is because she is in two games at the same time. 
2. Niniel - town. 
3. Hallia - I´ll wait for her catch up. Didn´t like her vote on me. 
4. Ironeyes - I´ll wait for his catch up too. Not sure I understand why others have suspected him. 
5. Clovr - not sure that I understand his yolo vote on Ironeyes. 
6. Pral - I like what he has written today. I will be very vary of him though because he did a great job pocketing me last game we played together and seem townie there too. 
7.  Kat - posted a list that didn´t say anything really. 
8. Talmanes - hasn´t been here much at all. 
9. Tress - her list seemed okay. 
10. Sooh - still not sure but the activity level is good. 
11. Nyn - looks good. Towniest after Alanna. 
12. Dice - looks okay but I would like more. 
13. Alanna

Very ironic. My list is JUST as informative as yours lol. 

 

Idk. Nin to me just isn't hitting on all cylinders. Some of her stuff i think that there's no way that Nin says that as a wolf. And some of it is.... what kind of reasoning is this for a townie? I'm wolfy because i'm not here.. because I have just been added to the game. No one else seems to have a problem with the fact that I'm having to play catch up and I'm coming in with less than 24 hours till day end. My reads list doesn't do a lot of you? Well who's does? God I hate going over this every game but everyone's D1 reads list is normally CRAP. It's all random guesses, gut feelings, and fishing for tells. SOMETIMES they catch something, but it's not normally expected. If ANYONE were to come out and say OK THIS PERSON IS A WOLF or this person is 100% town (except in the place of a mod clear like Alanna). I would probably lynch them for tmi. 

 

 

And in this case If i were a wolf I'd have a heck of a lot less presence in the thread I had a good excuse. *shrugs* which I know me telling you what I'd do as wolf is null but for anyone looking for a tell in future games, that'd be one lol... I hate coming in as a wolf. Which makes this game extra nice, cause I love being town. 

[v] Sooh [/v]

 

A fun experiment. 

 

 

 

 

Bleh I feel like Pral is the easy out and that's usually a sign for a mislynch bleh.....

 

Not sure about Marsh's sudden vehemence on lynching Pral. I don't know if it's self preservation, that he really feels that strongly, or if he's trying to bus a partner... 

 

 

No I think w/w is possible. I'm more suspicious of Tal though. Seems like I saw something I didn't like yesterday. I'll have to iSo him tomorrow on the PC

Outside of them I think wifi's play is slightly suspicious. I feel good about nyn and I'm tinfoiling on you. Hallia I don't know. The rest I'm not sure. I tdon't like the no talking night phase I feel like I've lost my place.

 

 

I'm opposed to nyn.

And right now just a gap. I need to reread EoD. Some people just aren't standing out to me and I want to look into that. I'm not sure about Niniel, but I have NEVER read her right. Dice I also suck at reading. Though you'd think I'd be able to as long as I've known him....

Unfortunately the Alanna nk gave us no info which stinks.

 

 

 

 

No I think w/w is possible. I'm more suspicious of Tal though. Seems like I saw something I didn't like yesterday. I'll have to iSo him tomorrow on the PC

Outside of them I think wifi's play is slightly suspicious. I feel good about nyn and I'm tinfoiling on you. Hallia I don't know. The rest I'm not sure. I tdon't like the no talking night phase I feel like I've lost my place.

Okay. I'll wait and see what you come up with for tomorrow then.

I don't know if I feel Wifi is mafia or just town communicating very poorly. Her vote from Hallia definitely looks bad, but it wouldn't be the first time I've thought that about her and been wrong. Her Niniel/Iron thing makes no sense to me for either alignment.

IRT me....I didn't realize you were feeling particularly good about me to begin with. Did I miss something?

No. I just nev r know what to think about you. I want you to be town because I think you'd be a good townie but I'm afraid that you're not. Does that make sense?? Lol

 

 

 

 

Honestly I feel like Ironeyes is at least here and posting. Wifi seems to have taken off.

bleh i don't know that I love this post. early d2 this is a fruitless arguement. 

 

 

 

Ok so this is probably what has bothered me most with Talmanes. So D1 he kept saying "i just don't understand why ya'll are voting. Ya'll are just voting for inactivity and that's a bad reason" I don't disagree with this. It's not a great reason to vote someone D1. I"m always semi-inactive D1. But here is where I start to have problems with Tal's consistency. SO Marsh has come in and posted a bit and here's what he has to say. 

 

@Clov - I don't have votes but wasn't exactly regarded highly on the Town list either. Your reasoning makes sense though.

@Alanna - I know you just kind of voted me, I wants referring only to you. Just noticed I was high on some lists and wondered at the reasoning. Wouldn't call that defensive, more curious. I don't mind people suspecting me, I just like to know why.

@Ironeyes - Your post seems to just beat some dead horses. Really not seeing much being added.

Ok. So he hasn't added much. 

 

I went back and reread the Pral part you quoted Nyn and agree that seems pretty off to me as well. He made a big stink but then just jumped on. Seemed odd. I wouldn't mind a Pral lynch and would be willing to consolidate depending on what it looks like closer to deadline.

I still don't really see why Hally is a target and still feel WiFi is a good place to start D1.

Ironeyes did finally show up and didn't offer a whole lot. Considering he was not the only one (myself included) gone for the weekend I'd rather hear a bit more before voting that way. If I'm seeing the same sort of reads on D2 that'll be a different story

Ok. Sounds good. I agreed with this. 

 

Ironeyes jumping on like that I really don't think helps his case. Continues his pattern of just going with the flow. Especially interesting since his reads mirrored Pral's on Clov.

Can't necessarily fully blame him for the quick vote though since he is one of the higher vote holders at the moment. I'm still hesitant to vote him D1 but if he isn't lynched he is going to be one of the top people I'm watching D2.

I agree. And then there's this........ 

 

I'm disappointed that Pral didn't turn out to be scum but I think the reasons to vote him were solid especially for D1.

@Nini - Your point against Pral made me reread and agree. Him staying away when the heat kicked in didn't help. I still am not feeling good about WiFi and would have preferred to vote there but felt there was enough reason to vote Pral as well.

I'm really not sold on Ironeyes. I've been on the fence with him because he has seemed to just be floating along not offering anything new. I don't think he's the best place to vote right now and would rather see what he contributes in D2. He did openly admit he hadn't had much time and so knew he wasn't contributing much. I'm willing to give him some time.

WiFi is still my top target right now. She's been wishy washy and has still yet to explain any of her reads. She had conviction in the game I played with her and I'm not seeing that here. I feel like she is trying to stay off the radar this game. Plus she said she isn't in her other game anymore so there goes that excuse.

I'd like to hear what everyone else has to say before voting, but WiFi has stayed steadily on my radar.

Now, He had all those posts about ironeyes and he'd be looking at him D2. And nothing. Mislynch Pral and.... Nothing. First post d2, I don't think he's the best place to vote because of the same reason I said I didn't vote for him yesterday even though I seemed really interested in him yesterday at EoD but now not so much..... But just to give him more time... And then back on the wifi train. *sighs* I don't know he just seems... inconsistent. I mean I know he's been looking at wifi this entire time, but the whole thing where he keeps going back to the same thing with Marsh every time he's a lynch candidate just stands out to me. To me it's like he knows he'll flip town and wants to distance himself from the mislynch. What do ya'll think? am i reading too much into it? 

 

 

 

 

They all show you are trying to solve the game...and yes you were wrong about tal but at least you were trying.  I bolded some of your posts cause I want to put another theory out there...Yeah I know...my theories change as often as my moods, which is absolutely true, however they also change due to new info and/or should I say old info that I just noticed. Unfortunately I can't quote all the quotes I want to in one post.  So it will be spread through a couple of posts. I might even have to cut some of the posts above.  I don't know yet cause I haven't previewed it yet.    Cool I don't have to. 

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay the following posts are what make me believe that Ironeyes could possibly be a Godfather. I mean if town can rand an IC, why not the mafia a godfather.  I bolded the relevant parts, or so I believe to be.  That being said.  I think they are the ONLY two randed roles.  I believe that the rest of the PR's are gotten during the events. I also believe that there could be more than one prize given per Event depending on how the Event was played. My reasoning for this is because of how the games were played.  N1 there could be only 1 winner - the person who picked the closest number to zero AND NOBODY else chose it either.  So Tal got his 1 cop view, and mafia had their usual NK of alanna.  Then there is N2.  You have to choose between 3 pictures: a bridge, the beach, a tower.  Now there are only 3 choices and 10 people. So you know there's gonna be doubles, no matter what. I also think [and now this is purely conjecture on my part] that the earlier you put your answer in the more powerful the role you get, imo. However, here is why I think that: Last night I won a 1 X vig shot and I shot nyn...yes it was me...I was totally sure she was deep wolf but everyone had her as town that I knew I couldn't lynch her so I figured I would go for the shot. I was wrong.   anyway I put my vote in right after she posted the event. The next could've been a DOC PR cause...what about the mafia kill...They would have targeted Ironeyes as confirmed townie but he didn't die last night.  Why not?? Cause he is Godfather  OR he's town protected by a DOC last night. But I think the former for now.  Unless someone wants to claim??

 

 I've been saying that I think clovr is mafia for most of the game.  So, him and Ironeyes....eh..who's the last one or two??  I know, I know... you all say there's only 3...Okay....So lets switch things a little bit...we don't necessarily have to lynch Ironeyes first, even if he is the Godfather.  I am thinking the last one is either hallia or tress...I am thinking more tress though...however someone is already voting for clovr and hallia.  what a decision to make.......[v] clovr [/v]    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tmi my butt.  use ure head.

 

what use is a cop view to MAFIA???? They KNOW who the mafia team is. It makes more SENSE that mafia wins they get a power from list x if town wins they get a power from list y.  One of the few powers that could be on both is doc but cop??? i dont think so

to find cop?? or doc?? that wouldn't be useful to the?? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tmi my butt.  use ure head.

 

what use is a cop view to MAFIA???? They KNOW who the mafia team is. It makes more SENSE that mafia wins they get a power from list x if town wins they get a power from list y.  One of the few powers that could be on both is doc but cop??? i dont think so

to find cop?? or doc?? that wouldn't be useful to the?? 

 

 

explain to me how a cop view finds a cop when u get a town not town type response? or how a role cop does the same when we dont have roles?

 

do we know that's the response you get though? and how do we know there aren't roled people? Alanna had a "role" she was basically an innocent child. How do you  know there isn't a doc? 

 

 

 

What exactly in your pm makes you think that? cause mine doesn't say anything about there are no people that are roled.... and everyone, regardless of alignment knows what the PM says. We've been over that once or twice. Trust me if I were scum i'd have that thing memorized. Went and looked at mine, says nothing about "all adventurers are non roled" it only says that I currently have no abilities but my vote. Doesn't say others can't. 

 

 

Freak I thought I could make the deadline but u have to go right now. [v]Tal[/v]

 

 

Why are we discussing whether adventures can be rolled? Was there some pregame event Alanna won?

No, she randed IC.

 

 

[BFG]

EVENT

 

Disconsolate at the loss of their friends they wandered around and as ADVENTURERS are want to do they found themselves at a fork in the road...

 

 

Uhm, not that sort of fork

 

 

At the head of one path sits an owl

 

 

At the head of the second a puppy

 

 

And the Adventurers need to choose...

 

 

Please PM me your choice before deadline and do not discuss your answers in thread

[BFG]

DAY 3 VoteCount

 

WiFi (1): Hallia

 

Clov (2): Dice, WiFi

 

Tress (1): Sooh

 

Dice (1): Turin

 

Not voting (4): Clov, Ironeyes, Katiora, Tress

 

[Sooh]

Guys?

 

Can you post more?

 

Please?

[Wildfire Sedai]

I just posted a lot....I been waiting for someone to comment on it.

[Wildfire Sedai]

suppers gonna be coming in like 45 minutes then I will be off for 45 minutes and everyone will come in  

[Sooh]

Yeah, I've read your posts. 

 

Question: Why do you think Clov is mafia?

 

Can you show me somewhere where you think it's apparent that he's being a mastermind as you called it? Find posts where you think he's manipulating the state of the game.

[Wildfire Sedai]

That's just it I can't....Usually even a townie makes a blunder or two...he hasn't....too good a townie to be a townie, imo.

[Wildfire Sedai]

sooh are you still here????

[Wildfire Sedai]

got supper in like a few so if I don't respond its cause of that...will bbl

[Songstress]

Not much I can say but apologize at this point, I didn't expect my ability to contribute to this game to be as hampered as it has been and that probably means I should just give up on trying to play in the future.  I honestly cannot post at work, except for maybe a couple of quick replies during lunch, and maybe after the inbound phone queues shut down if all my work is done and I have nothing scheduled.  Being unable to post during night phase is another issue altogether.  I've felt a bit discouraged and demotivated but I've got a ton of free time this weekend during day phase to dig in and hopefully figure somethings out.

 

Regardless of all that, the cop view on Ironeyes kind of threw me for a loop, and I've been trying to rethink my view on things from scratch since he was my best lead.  I'll take him off the table until we've found the rest of the mafia, at very least.

 

Sooh's early D1 still stands out to me as being unlikely to come from mafia, it was a pretty bold move and it doesn't seem like something she'd try for town cred.

 

Dice's tone and stubbornness looks like Town!Dice to me.  I flatter myself that I am good at reading him, at least most of the time ...  I doubt I'm wrong here.

 

That leaves WiFi, Turin, Hallia, Clov and Kat in my POE.  

 

I'll try to stay current on the thread while doing ISO's tonight, if there are questions I can answer - otherwise I'll generate some thoughts and commentary before bedtime.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Okay the following posts are what make me believe that Ironeyes could possibly be a Godfather. I mean if town can rand an IC, why not the mafia a godfather. I bolded the relevant parts, or so I believe to be. That being said. I think they are the ONLY two randed roles. I believe that the rest of the PR's are gotten during the events. I also believe that there could be more than one prize given per Event depending on how the Event was played. My reasoning for this is because of how the games were played. N1 there could be only 1 winner - the person who picked the closest number to zero AND NOBODY else chose it either. So Tal got his 1 cop view, and mafia had their usual NK of alanna. Then there is N2. You have to choose between 3 pictures: a bridge, the beach, a tower. Now there are only 3 choices and 10 people. So you know there's gonna be doubles, no matter what. I also think [and now this is purely conjecture on my part] that the earlier you put your answer in the more powerful the role you get, imo. However, here is why I think that: Last night I won a 1 X vig shot and I shot nyn...yes it was me...I was totally sure she was deep wolf but everyone had her as town that I knew I couldn't lynch her so I figured I would go for the shot. I was wrong. anyway I put my vote in right after she posted the event. The next could've been a DOC PR cause...what about the mafia kill...They would have targeted Ironeyes as confirmed townie but he didn't die last night. Why not?? Cause he is Godfather OR he's town protected by a DOC last night. But I think the former for now. Unless someone wants to claim??

 

I've been saying that I think clovr is mafia for most of the game. So, him and Ironeyes....eh..who's the last one or two?? I know, I know... you all say there's only 3...Okay....So lets switch things a little bit...we don't necessarily have to lynch Ironeyes first, even if he is the Godfather. I am thinking the last one is either hallia or tress...I am thinking more tress though...however someone is already voting for clovr and hallia. what a decision to make.......[v] clovr [/v]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tmi my butt. use ure head.

 

what use is a cop view to MAFIA???? They KNOW who the mafia team is. It makes more SENSE that mafia wins they get a power from list x if town wins they get a power from list y. One of the few powers that could be on both is doc but cop??? i dont think so

to find cop?? or doc?? that wouldn't be useful to the??

 

 

 

tmi my butt. use ure head.

 

what use is a cop view to MAFIA???? They KNOW who the mafia team is. It makes more SENSE that mafia wins they get a power from list x if town wins they get a power from list y. One of the few powers that could be on both is doc but cop??? i dont think so

to find cop?? or doc?? that wouldn't be useful to the??

explain to me how a cop view finds a cop when u get a town not town type response? or how a role cop does the same when we dont have roles?

do we know that's the response you get though? and how do we know there aren't roled people? Alanna had a "role" she was basically an innocent child. How do you know there isn't a doc?

What exactly in your pm makes you think that? cause mine doesn't say anything about there are no people that are roled.... and everyone, regardless of alignment knows what the PM says. We've been over that once or twice. Trust me if I were scum i'd have that thing memorized. Went and looked at mine, says nothing about "all adventurers are non roled" it only says that I currently have no abilities but my vote. Doesn't say others can't.

Freak I thought I could make the deadline but u have to go right now. [v]Tal[/v]

Why are we discussing whether adventures can be rolled? Was there some pregame event Alanna won?

 

No, she randed IC.

 

 

 

 

I disagree to an extent about this. Maybe it is semantic. Judge for yourselves. Alanna "technically" wasn't randed as an ic in the pregame. She was just given an item at start of D1 that showed she was town. Now due to the requirements of THAT ROLE, only a townie could get it. It is conceivable that a member of the mafia was also given an item that would make them a GF. Obviously it couldn't be announced.

 

Ironeyes as GF would explain his behavior on D1 as it would be likely to draw a view. Not ready to go there yet Tho.

 

WiFi, would you talk me thru why you would use your shot on Nyn.

[Turin Turambar]

That's just it I can't....Usually even a townie makes a blunder or two...he hasn't....too good a townie to be a townie, imo.

Well he did forget that Alanna was confirmed townie. I think that would count as a blunder.

 

Of course Niniel failed to notice the sample PM in the OP so lol, me. Sort of.

[Turin Turambar]

Good night. Play nice.

[Wildfire Sedai]

don't go yet...I am responding...just give me time please

[Sooh]

That's just it I can't....Usually even a townie makes a blunder or two...he hasn't....too good a townie to be a townie, imo.

I'm sorry, but this is a bad reason. Nyn was too townie to be a townie too, and you see where that went. You can't go for a strategy of killing the most townie people around. I'm not saying Clov has me convinced he's town, but I have to have SOMETHING to catch him on. Whether it is others being more town than he is, or him seeming to manipulate people.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

Okay the following posts are what make me believe that Ironeyes could possibly be a Godfather. I mean if town can rand an IC, why not the mafia a godfather. I bolded the relevant parts, or so I believe to be. That being said. I think they are the ONLY two randed roles. I believe that the rest of the PR's are gotten during the events. I also believe that there could be more than one prize given per Event depending on how the Event was played. My reasoning for this is because of how the games were played. N1 there could be only 1 winner - the person who picked the closest number to zero AND NOBODY else chose it either. So Tal got his 1 cop view, and mafia had their usual NK of alanna. Then there is N2. You have to choose between 3 pictures: a bridge, the beach, a tower. Now there are only 3 choices and 10 people. So you know there's gonna be doubles, no matter what. I also think [and now this is purely conjecture on my part] that the earlier you put your answer in the more powerful the role you get, imo. However, here is why I think that: Last night I won a 1 X vig shot and I shot nyn...yes it was me...I was totally sure she was deep wolf but everyone had her as town that I knew I couldn't lynch her so I figured I would go for the shot. I was wrong. anyway I put my vote in right after she posted the event. The next could've been a DOC PR cause...what about the mafia kill...They would have targeted Ironeyes as confirmed townie but he didn't die last night. Why not?? Cause he is Godfather OR he's town protected by a DOC last night. But I think the former for now. Unless someone wants to claim??

 

I've been saying that I think clovr is mafia for most of the game. So, him and Ironeyes....eh..who's the last one or two?? I know, I know... you all say there's only 3...Okay....So lets switch things a little bit...we don't necessarily have to lynch Ironeyes first, even if he is the Godfather. I am thinking the last one is either hallia or tress...I am thinking more tress though...however someone is already voting for clovr and hallia. what a decision to make.......[v] clovr [/v]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tmi my butt. use ure head.

 

what use is a cop view to MAFIA???? They KNOW who the mafia team is. It makes more SENSE that mafia wins they get a power from list x if town wins they get a power from list y. One of the few powers that could be on both is doc but cop??? i dont think so

to find cop?? or doc?? that wouldn't be useful to the??

 

 

 

tmi my butt. use ure head.

 

what use is a cop view to MAFIA???? They KNOW who the mafia team is. It makes more SENSE that mafia wins they get a power from list x if town wins they get a power from list y. One of the few powers that could be on both is doc but cop??? i dont think so

to find cop?? or doc?? that wouldn't be useful to the??

explain to me how a cop view finds a cop when u get a town not town type response? or how a role cop does the same when we dont have roles?

do we know that's the response you get though? and how do we know there aren't roled people? Alanna had a "role" she was basically an innocent child. How do you know there isn't a doc?

What exactly in your pm makes you think that? cause mine doesn't say anything about there are no people that are roled.... and everyone, regardless of alignment knows what the PM says. We've been over that once or twice. Trust me if I were scum i'd have that thing memorized. Went and looked at mine, says nothing about "all adventurers are non roled" it only says that I currently have no abilities but my vote. Doesn't say others can't.

Freak I thought I could make the deadline but u have to go right now. [v]Tal[/v]

Why are we discussing whether adventures can be rolled? Was there some pregame event Alanna won?

 

No, she randed IC.

 

 

 

 

I disagree to an extent about this. Maybe it is semantic. Judge for yourselves. Alanna "technically" wasn't randed as an ic in the pregame. She was just given an item at start of D1 that showed she was town. Now due to the requirements of THAT ROLE, only a townie could get it. It is conceivable that a member of the mafia was also given an item that would make them a GF. Obviously it couldn't be announced.

 

Ironeyes as GF would explain his behavior on D1 as it would be likely to draw a view. Not ready to go there yet Tho.

 

WiFi, would you talk me thru why you would use your shot on Nyn.

 

 

Well, nyn was the main pusher of the two mislynches...she stated some stuff [which I already quoted at EoD] which made me go ...so I thought she could be a deep wolf...I had thought of it earlier and posted it but nobody took me seriously...if people had talked to me and explained to me why nyn couldn't be deep wolf I might not have gone after her...as it was everyone thought her townie...so I figured there was no way I could get a lynch on her and that she was fooling everybody YES I WAS WRONG...I WAS THE FOOL...I will admit it...but I have been fooled too many times by deep wolves that I had to find out...also my very first game I was a 2 X vig: The very first day...everyone had AJ as town...but me...I KNEW he was wolf...so I shot him...HE WAS WOLF...sometimes you just have to go after your own gut...and my gut said nyn was mafia...

[BFG]

DAY 3 VoteCount

 

WiFi (1): Hallia

 

Clov (2): Dice, WiFi

 

Tress (1): Sooh

 

Dice (1): Turin

 

Not voting (4): Clov, Ironeyes, Katiora, Tress

 

No change

 

Play nicely <3

[Songstress]

Starting with the lower end of the post count with Niniel/Turin:

 

Niniel ISO:

 

 

 

#11 - Comments on intro scene with Alanna having apple... also potentially drops a hint about having a notebook and pencil in her "takes notes" comment.  If she was telling the truth about not seeing the sample role PM this may be a good sign for her

 

#28 - Says hi to Ironeyes

 

#116 - Responds to Nyn, Alanna and Ironeyes posts - nothing really game related there... Questions whether Dice's vote on Nyn is a joke, and why Clov voted Nyn.

 

#119 - Responds to Sooh's suggesting of voting Nyn as a "fun experiment" by voting Sooh

 

#126 - Questions Sooh's willingness to "vote anyone", noting that she does not think Dice is necessarily a bad vote but Sooh had just suggested voting Nyn

 

#152 - Acknowledges Clov's response that his vote on Nyn was a joke - was not clear to her

 

#153 - Agrees with Clov on liking Nyn at this point, as well as Sooh's behavior being weird but entertaining

 

#198 - Thought that some would understand why she was questioning the votes on Nyn but maybe assumed wrong... notes Alanna left her out of her reads list

 

#200 - Clarifies her assertion that Dice isn't a bad vote, noting that Nyn wrote something she felt a townie would recognize and Dice voted her immediately - then states that she seems to be the only one who noticed and discounts that it is worth anything.  States she is happy with her vote on Sooh.

 

#216 - Acknowledges that mafia could have knowledge of the town role PM and in that case, her town read on Nyn and suspicion of those voting her would be a moot point... states she is voting Sooh because it looked like she was willing to vote just anyone and felt it was weird

 

#225 - Is mortified when Nyn points out that there's a sample of the town role PM in the OP. 

 

#226 - Agrees with Alanna that arguing over whether Niniel had seen the sample town role PM is a distraction

 

#240 - Unvotes Sooh after reread - states it seemed weird that Sooh was apparently trying to get discussion going but then OMGUS voted her when she placed a serious vote on Sooh.  Indicates that she is unsure on Sooh and others seem to disagree.  Asks Hallia if she had read Niniel's subsequent posts after the one she quoted before voting Nini.

 

#241 - Indicates she is going to bed so she will have to read any response before work in the morning.

 

#328 - States she had less time before work than expected, has only skimmed posts but should be able to comment before deadline.  Comments on low posting over the weekend.

 

#415 - Indicated she was there and reading up.

 

#420 - Explains that she had read Nyn's intro post as a town hint because of the wording of the role PM, which was why she was suspicious of those voting Nyn - and is embarrassed that she had not seen the sample town role PM in the OP so she regrets having pursued that and suggests everyone forget about it.

 

#421 - Agrees with Nyn the town role PM issue should not be a main talking point and apologizes

 

#431 - Asks Dice (and me?) what she did to make him think she was odd... Asks Dice what he was hoping Nyn would find in Clov's posts about Niniel... Comments that WiFi's reason for voting Hallia was weird, and likes Nyn's questioning of WiFi regarding her reasons for thinking Hallia was more town.  Asks Alanna what made her feel good about Kat.  States she feels WiFi is different this game, seems to be sheeping other people's reads and then trying to come up with her own reasoning afterward. 

 

#439 - Posts reads list with very few reads, mostly comments - notes Alanna as blue, Nyn as towniest after Alanna... unsure why people are suspicious of Ironeyes... seems to find WiFi most suspicious and says she will wait for Hallia's catchup but did not like her vote on Niniel.

 

#442 - States she thinks WiFi feels less focused this game... Clarifies that she unvoted Sooh because Sooh's level of involvement is a good sign, and others did not agree with her suspicion - notes she was not happy with Sooh's OMGUS vote, but she did unvote and they do have a hard time reading each other.

 

#443 - Does not remember which game but clarifies that there was a recent one (maybe Heart's) where Pral defended her and got her to trust him but he was not town, which is why she is wary of him this game even though she felt good about his earlier posts.

 

#445 - States she is willing to vote Hallia, WiFi or Kat.

 

#448 - Clarifies to Alanna that she was referring to WiFi as being less focused, not Kat in #442

 

#449 - Notes Kat's reads list doesn't say much at all but will wait for her to ISO people as promised.

 

#457 - Clarifies in response to Nyn's question that she likes Pral's posts in this game, notes she was slightly worried that Pral was town reading her for being impulsive or something - mostly personal tinfoiling than legitimate suspicion of him at this point.

 

#458 - States she will be AFK for a while, votes WiFi.  Notes she does not like Hallia's vote on her but is giving her time to catch up.

 

#514 - Agrees with Nyn's evaluation of WiFi as not doing much if any scumhunting and giving reads for strange reasons that don't hold up... notes she finds WiFi's reason for voting Hallia odd... states she feels OK about Dice but wishes he would post more... Asks Kat if she is doing more ISOs.

 

#518 - States she does not like Hallia's vote on her, and notes Hallia did not acknowledge any of the posts where she tried to explain herself, feels like Hallia already had her mind made up.  Dispute's Hallia's comparison of Niniel's list in #439 to Kat's reads list with regard to not saying anything.  Does not understand Hallia's question about an example of WiFi being focused.

 

#522 - "Great" - in response to Kat saying she' is ISO'ing Niniel?

 

#531 - Clarifies to Kat that her vote on Sooh was not a joke vote, and acknowledges that she knows Kat doesn't like D1.  Notes she is trying to decide whether to leave her vote on WiFi or move it to Hallia.

 

#533 - Switches vote to Hallia, states she feels Hally's vote on her was a bandwagon vote and notes she does not seem to have considered all of her posts.

 

#830 - States she does not have much time before work and needs to re-read the thread... asks if people are voting for Ironeyes because he was the competing train D1.

 

#832 - Notes in response to Hallia's "voting and peacing out" comment that she lives in Europe and had to go to bed early.

 

#833 - Responds to Dice's comment that he doesn't like that she gives Nyn's post in response as her reason for voting WiFi - states she was agreeing with Nyn's post, and underneath that post added that she didn't like WiFi's reason for voting Hallia.

 

#834 - Responds to WiFi's commentary about her interaction with Ironeyes by noting that Ironeyes hasn't played here in a long time and she was saying hello because it was fun to play with him again... and asks where she got the impression Niniel was calling the people who were voting Ironeyes townies.

 

#835 - Indicates she is out of time until later that night.

 

#904 - Replies to WiFi that Sooh had already explained it but she was talking about Nyn as a presumed townie, not the people who were voting Ironeyes.   States that her time for the rest of the week would be more limited than she thought.

 

#905 - Reads list posted - Nyn and Sooh as top town, Kat as general good feeling that she is town without specifics.  States Dice and i are "okay feeling" but she wants more from us.  Clov, Ironeyes, Talmanes need to reread.... Still does not like Hallia's vote on her others do not agree, does not think she and WiFi are M/M and she suspects WiFi more.  Votes WiFi, hopes to have time to ISO Clov/Ironeyes/Talmanes tomorrow.

 

 

 

At this point Niniel subbed out, so I move on to Turin.

 

 

 

#1055 - Unvotes, states he would prefer trains on Ironeyes and Dice - notes he does not think Town!Dice would have voted Pral over his personal choice of mafia due to the "who's online" angle.  Votes Dice.

 

#1072 - Responds to Nyn that he is not fully caught up on the game but those two were the ones that stood out to him most as he was reading along, will reread more thoroughly tonight/tomorrow

 

#1074 - Clarifies to Hallia that he was reading along with the game after he agreed to be available as a sub.  Responds to Cop/Doc/Vig question that he would cop Talmanes, vig Ironeyes, and doc Hallia.

 

#1079 - Notes in response to Talmanes' confusion that the list is a question about who you would use theoretical abilities on, not who you think has those roles.

 

#1105 - Asks Talmanes why he would respond that he would cop Ironeyes if he already had a cop view result on him.

 

#1129 - States something feels wrong about Talmanes' explanation of why he revealed, notes that based on Alanna's flip he assumes the coroner report would show he had an item in his bag

 

#1179 - Responds to Dice's argument about mafia not getting the same prizes by noting that abilities are abilities, and suggesting TMI.

 

#1185 - States Talmanes should have used a 1x view on Sooh if he was scum reading her, as coming forward with a guilty view from a 1x prize would not make him a kill target because he is not truly "the cop"

 

#1190 - Disputes Dice's assertion that mafia could not have won a 1x cop view prize by noting that mafia does not know who is town, only who is not mafia (suggesting potential 3p?), and if the prize went to mafia they would be taking it from town, and be able to use it against town in a gambit.

 

#1194 - Notes that Nyn ninja'd his last post in her #1189

 

#1311 - Asks Sooh why she is suspicious of Hallia for pushing WiFi... notes it appears a big part of Sooh's town read on WiFi is that she would not have done the math about the number of mafia if she was on the mafia team, but he suggests it would be a good way for her to look like she is doing work without trying to solve.  Acknowledges that WiFi has posted some suggestions about potential mafia teams but he "got lost in them"

 

#1312 - Appears to be unsure whether to be happy about Sooh finding his posts being confusing as a town tell

 

#1314 - States Ironeyes is probably about 95% clear town, barring a godfather or redirect, and states it would be necessary to have a mafia flip before any concern about Ironeyes is worth more than tinfoil

 

#1315 - Notes WiFi's #1282 is more clear for him to read (than her previous mafia team suggestion posts?)

 

#1316 - Replies to Dice's post re: doubting there was a doc because they would have protected Alanna and Nyn by indicating that perhaps they tried... states that per mod response it appears any ability could have been given as a prize to anyone.  States that it was not obvious that Nyn would be the only mafia NK option as Ironeyes was mostly confirmed by Talmanes' flip.

 

#1317 - States he is not sure whether he has played with WiFi before, and notes it has been a while since he last played.

 

#1318 - Questions Ironeyes on his reads list - asks whether "mafia puppet master" Clov couldn't have coached WiFi to fake the maths... Asks whether his read on Dice is based on Nyn's request... States he is still most suspicious of Dice, votes Dice.

 

#1320 - Responds to Sooh, clarifying that Dice used "non-Dice" reasoning to jump on Pral's train and it looks wrong to him, potential tinfoil (about Ironeyes being Godfather?).

 

#1325 - Argues with Dice that Ironeyes was cop viewed by a confirmed dead townie, which made him a valid NK choice over Nyn who had pushed lynches on town D1 and D2, finds it odd that Dice states Nyn could not have been lynched.  Notes Dice is making a large assumption about there only being one prize and asks him to explain his thought process.  Suggests Dice is setting up to discredit any doc claim.

 

#1341 - Indicates that he thinks Alanna wasn't technically pre-randed IC but given an item at the beginning of the game that made her IC (which could only go to town) - and that there *may* have also been an item given to mafia to make one of them a godfather... indicates this may explain Ironeyes' behavior D1 but he is not ready to go there at this time.  Requests WiFI explain why she would have shot Nyn.

 

#1342 - Disputes WiFi's assertion that Clov has "not made any townie blunders" by noting he forgot Alanna was a confirmed town, although Niniel also failed to notice the sample town role PM was in the OP.

 

#1343 - Says goodnight

 

 

 

I was conflicted on Niniel D1 and D2, as there were some posts of hers that came across as awkward to me - #240 was one, for example, where she specifically mentioned that people did not agree with her on Sooh before unvoting.  I did get the impression that she was being completely honest about not seeing the sample town role PM, although that probably shouldn't be taken into account.  She appears to have been pretty pressed for time and I can't judge that.  Her #439 list was kind of lacking so I get why Hallia thought it was ironic that she called Kat out on her reads list not saying anything.

 

Turin is one that I have a really hard time reading, he always seems to come across to me like he's pushing at strange angles and most games (even the ones I'm just spectating) he feels like mafia even when he's not.  I kind of wish there had been another available sub that I can read better   ...

 

Top of my head here I'm slightly concerned with this slot - will compare to the others when I'm done with my ISO Weekend Extravaganza.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

vote clov

 

 

now totally sold on clov kat team

 

 

theres nothing in the PM to suggest anyone HAS a role. If there was a doc for example wouldnt they have protected laine and nyn?

Maybe they tried? it seems at this point that abilities are given as prizes and by the MOD answer we have gotten it appears that any ability can go to anyone.

 

That being said I think it was NOT as obvious that Nyn was the only mafia nk option since Ironeyes was mostly confirmed by Talmanes flip.

NO doc worth their salt protects ironeyes last night. hes been scummy as all game people are still not sold on him despite tals view. Mafia killing him would be stupid.

 

Also theres only 1 prize. Tal won it D1 so we know mafia didnt get it and that it was a cop view.

 

So nyn WAS the OBVIOUS kill. She was never getting lynched this game.

wrt Ironeyes you saying that the green read from a confirmed dead townie with a cop view is irrevelant? Mafia can't afford to have confirmed (or even mostly confirmed) townies left alive as end game approaches. Nyn pushed 2 townie lynches in two days. She could have been mafia. I find it odd that you would say she couldn't be lynched.

 

Also, you seem to be making a huge assumption about there being only one prize. explain your thought process there.

 

Are you setting up to discredit a doc claim later on?

 

 

are you just trying to discredit EVERYTHING?? have you read this game? Do you think aside from wifi and maybe ureself do you think anyone didnt think nyn clear town?

 

and what im discrediting is the idea of someone being RANDED doc. Someone might win a protect but not RAND doc.

[Wildfire Sedai]

*rips up old reads list and mafia lists...starting from scratch* 

 

so....these are the players we have left:

 

1. The fearless WiFi - TOWN PRINCESS
2. Niniel the dauntless the terrifying Turin
3. Hallia the valiant
4. The intrepid Ironeyes
5. Clovr the legionless
6. The heroic Pral
7. Leyrann the legendary the incredible Kat
8. Talmanes the brave
9. Tress the resolute
10. Sooh the bold (giggles madly as the knife twists in your gut)
11. Nyn the b*tch (brilliant, tenacious, cunning hunter in case you were wondering)
12. Daredevil Dice
13. The annoying Alanna (ANtagonistic, NOisY INGénue)

 

I am giving clovr the benefit of the doubt for now so slightly townie for now. [unvote]  I am however using some of his posts [in the spoiler below] to point to the following mafia team: dice and Ironeyes and a mystery player???.  Let's start with ironeyes.  I just can't get over the fact that he could be godfather.  I don't think that would give the mafia OP because town doesn't have a cop anyway, we have to win it.  There is a good possibility town would NEVER win a cop view making the godfather a moot point.  He hasn't even showed up today and will not tomorrow and he has to work on Monday...do we get another DL plea?? I think not.  Then there's dice.  He's a crafty one.  But he made one very big mistake and I am surprised that no one else noticed it...his quote that I have posted...It's a SAMPLE ADVENTURES PM.  Now my pm did not say SAMPLE and the OP did not say SAMPLE...let me check one more place... nope she didn't post it in the sign up thread either....so ya know what...I had voted for ironeyes earlier in this post but now am changing that to [v] dice [/v] cause I mean how more confirmed can you get...and if you look on the time stamp that is when the pm's were given out.  

 

 

 Clov's quotes

 

 

 

 

Actually, Iron being mafia is going to make me look at basically everybody that voted Pral from Kat onward.  I didn't think Nyn was mafia when I was still there, and going back through the day phase, she seemed to trying to make the right decision at end of day.  IIRC she could have stayed on Hallia and backed off.  Why completely stop an existing counterwagon and try to start a new one to save a teammate, when she could have continued to apply pressure to Hallia?

 

I need to re-evaluate Hallia, but I wasn't hating what I saw from her after I left.  I stand by my stance that she did a lot of agreeing with others and not really fleshing anything out, but I'm not as concerned about her as the rest of the votes.

 

Reason I said middle is that I didn't think Dice being on the wagon was all that bad, but then I remembered this.   *snipped a bunch*

 

 

 

 

 

Ironeyes jumping on like that I really don't think helps his case. Continues his pattern of just going with the flow. Especially interesting since his reads mirrored Pral's on Clov.

Can't necessarily fully blame him for the quick vote though since he is one of the higher vote holders at the moment. I'm still hesitant to vote him D1 but if he isn't lynched he is going to be one of the top people I'm watching D2.

Tbh I am totally going with the flow. Combination of being a little over my head and grasping at straws, plus someone made a good point that I hadn't noticed before. And I just don't see Hallia as scummy right now.

 

 

 

 

 

this reads as Bailing out the boat to me

 

 

It was 6-4 Pral/Iron before Dice voted.  Here, Dice calls out Iron for an easy vote.  He's not wrong, but as the counterwagon, Iron doesn't have to have good reasons.  As mafia, he's voting there to get a mislynch.  As town, he's voting there to save his life.  

 

What stands out to me is that Dice had a chance to make it closer between Pral and Iron - the person he's accusing of an easy vote - and votes Pral instead.  

 

"This is too easy of a vote.  Let me hop on the same wagon you are, rather than voting YOU".  Does that make any sense?

 

 

 

For the record I still suspect Clov of going for me because it's an easy lynch. It's so easy to do that and make yourself look like a persistent townie who is really convinced of someone's guilt. And then when I flip town he can say "well he looked scummy, what else would I do?"

 

I'm going for you because I don't push people I think are probably town for the sake of pushing them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly at this point I hope it's as easy as Ironeyes/Talamanes/Wifi. But I took a hit to the ballsack by Pral's flip so who knows.

It can't really be this easy though, can it?

Part of me wants to put Dice over Wifi for the whole Iron/Pral vote thing, but I don't know if I genuinely think it makes him scum or that he basically comes to the same conclusions I do after I make them and then finds some justification for how it makes me mafia.

I don't think it makes him scum. Like I said... I think he would have benefited more from voting Ironeyes or not voting at all. Making that vote put attention on him that he could have otherwise avoided. Like I don't really get what benefit he derives form putting a vote on Pral when his lynch was basically secured. It seems too contrived to think that he did it cause it's not something we'd expect a scummate to do.

I'm not great at reading dice, and that's why he's not super high on my read list. But I don't think his vote at EoD is much of an indication. I mean, looking at Pral's train, is that really the vote that bothers you most?

I think I've very clearly indicated it's not. But when you stop looking at how the votes came and consider why they fell the eay they did, it stands out to me.

Is that potentially because he said something odd and a lot of people said nothing at all? Absolutely. But I'm fine being the person to press there if nobody else is going to.

 

 

 

I'm not going to quote Iron's post because it's going to become an eyesore very quickly, but I do want to respond to it.

 

I don't think there's a universe where Nyn and Hallia are scummates together and Nyn started that lynch as a way of saving Hallia.  First of all, Hallia didn't really need saving, because she wasn't on the block at that point from what I remember - you were.  Secondly, I don't think Nyn goes out of way to bus teammate!Hallia only to unvote her for something completely non-game related (or mostly game related).  I'm fine with Iron mentioning hte possibility, especially since the theory he's going with is a lot more realistic.  

 

Iron, I don't understand why you're suspicious of Sooh for her role in that.  If you feel mafia was wanting to save you, I feel you should feel really good about her.  Mafia!Sooh has all of the opportunity in the world to vote Town!Pral there, and I think she'd look good for her position even if you are town.  

 

 

Now I'm kind of feeling the anti-spew thing Sooh mentioned based on him avoiding the Dice issue.  Dice made it clear he suspected Iron before but has now found reasons to avoid voting him so far on two consecutive days, and in turn, Iron isn't discussing his take on Dice's late vote.  

 

 

 

OK, I've officially decided I am bad at the patented Zander Catchup.  I have far too limited time, and my brain just doesn't seem to want to work that way, so I'mma go back to my usual "toss everyone in a reads list, ISO the ones who you can't figure out, pull a few quotes if necessary" because tiiiiiiiime is NOT on my siiiiiiide o/~

 

Where I'm at post D-1 is not significantly different than I was Sunday night -  Nyn is solid town, with Sooh right behind her.  Dice I'll need to look at a little more closely to confirm but my gut says probably town.  Hallia has looked better since her Monday morning catchup as well.  These four I'm gonna leave alone for now.

 

On the nullish side I have Kat (need to look at in more detail now that she's had time to be more involved), Clov (vaguely positive vibes but the longer he's alive the more I'm gonna worry), Niniel (another one I need to reread as I recall being conflicted on her D1 posts and I need to see whether she's trending overall up or down).   Talmanes was giving me some gut-level pings D1 but I can't remember why, so... more ISOs.  At least I'll have something to do tomorrow night after work, during night phase 

 

Feeling overall pretty iffy on WiFi, although she's really hard to peg.  Ironeyes is still my bottom read, and the first ISO on my list (and probably the only one I'll have time for before bed).

 

I feel like there's something exploding inside my head. 

 

I feel a little worse about Tress now.  I don't know what she's seen from Hallia to change her mind.  I barely remember her posting this phase, so I don't really her saying that she sounds better now than she did Monday.

 

Beyond that, this is a whole lot of nulls.  I don't really mind that by itself, but I feel like we've been waiting for a more substantial contribution from Tress for a while now.  I'm severely underwhelmed, and the last time I felt this way about her, she was mafia.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ironeyes ISO

#27 - First post is a joke about his mother and sister stealing the brownies but since his mom's name is Alana he wouldn't vote her to avoid "the stigma" of voting someone with a similar name to the confirmed townie. Kind of comes across as self-conscious, especially in combination with his later concern with unvoting.

#32 - Chitchats with Niniel and Nyn about playing with familiar faces

#37 - Asks "serious question" about whether the brownies are tainted. ;)

#54 - Chitchats about his mom's name pronunciation and his preferred nicknames.

#56 - Votes Clov for not having read WoT

#57 - Damn ninjas!

#61 #65 #67 - More chatting about his mom's name, plus obligatory town claim

#69 - Does not have any game related thoughts yet

#83 - Makes a point of unvoting his joke vote - this seems extremely self-conscious, especially in a deadline game with no danger of hammering

#88 - Denies being concerned about appearance and says this is his personal policy

#91 - Acknowledges Clov's question about who he would vote if he had to place a serious vote and says he will reread the game and respond

#92 - States he would vote Clov because he thinks Clov's push for serious gameplay means he's scum trying to earn town cred. 

#93 - Immediately acknowledges this looks like an OMGUS

#96 - Notes he is "out of practice"

#98 - Questions whether this is Clov's normal play style

#102 - Amused by Nyn's candid assessment of Clov

#104 - Questions who Nyn was referring to as Laine (not sure if serious)

#128 - Posts to say good morning and comment on the lack of overnight posting

#428 - Apologizes for absence and promises reread and game thoughts prior to deadline

#430 - Tells Nyn that he can't claim scum as that would be lying ;)

#480 - Again apologizes for absence over the weekend and states he will not be available to post on Sundays, promises to work hard to make up for it

#493 - Posts reads list - Town reads are Niniel, Sooh, Nyn, Tress, Pral... null WiFi, Hallia, Talmanes, Sooh (again)... Scum reading Dice for inactivity, and Clov for "going for the easy lynch". Note he says he "stands by his opinion" IRT Clov, which he has not previously expressed - his only mention of Clov previously was that he thought Clov was trying to move the game into serious mode gave the impression of scum trying to earn town cred.

#494 - Clarifies his note about the Sabbath

#496 - Confirms he meant to have Sooh under his town reads and the null read was an error

#499 - In response to Sooh's question about how everyone feels about Dice, he states he feels Dice is normally very involved and "must have had a busy weekend" - although in his reads list he was FOSing Dice for inactivity.

#501 - Acknowledges that he should not edit his previous reads list post to correct his Sooh error

#502 - Requotes the reads list and notes that it was supposed to be Kat listed as null for "I keep seeing both scum and town tells from her" :confused:

#506 - Confirms Kat is supposed to be where Sooh is under the null category

#511 - Says he knows his reads list is crap and he's just trying to contribute, doesn't remember why he wrote that about Kat 

#560 - Piggybacks on Nyn's observation about Pral saying to give Hallia space and then voting her, adds his vote to Pral

#619 - Acknowledges he's just going with the flow and grasping at straws, doesn't see Hallia as scummy

#620 - Agrees with Nyn that we should lynch Pral

#625 - Questions Sooh's assertion that if Alanna's list of greens is correct town will win

#627 - Admits Pral vote is part self preservation and part trying to contribute to the game after being inactive over the weekend

#628 - Agrees with Nyn that Pral lynch wasn't "the easy way out"

#630 - Acknowledges he corrected his reads list after Sooh pointed out his error

#645 - Appreciates Nyn's suggestion to give him more time for a non-rushed analysis

#647 - After explanation, understands Sooh's theory about Alanna's green and orange list

#650 - Responds to Nyn's query about where Pral is by suggesting he may be asleep depending on the time zone

#659 - Kinda sucks up to Nyn a little here about her "who's online" stalking just being a use of available resources

#681 - After Dice points out the hypocrisy in Ironeyes finding him suspicious for inactivity, he points out he said it was a "faint ping"

#686 - Hopes Pral will have a chance to defend himself before deadline

#798 - Is surprised he hasn't been lynched already for his D1 and Pral's town flip, says he didn't expect the train to grow that quickly

#802 - Tells Talmanes he doesn't need to defend him, states he is bad at mafia, had shoddy reads, and can't blame it all on lack of time.

#803 - Does not appear to be willing to fight his lynch

#805 - Says he still thinks Clov is going after him as an easy lynch

#806 - Going to bed

#831 - Decides to analyze Pral's train to see which votes looked like they were for a dumb or fabricated reason

#843 - States Talmanes and Clov's posts have made him want to do something useful before he is lynched

#844 - Asks what antispew means

#851 - Promises to do some analysis and post thoughts as he can

#853 - Gets a little snarky with Nyn about how he could just go inactive all day if she'd prefer him not to post instead of trying to analyze the train

#934 - Responds to WiFi's reads list that his #803 was just his honest feeling at the time, considers himself town's LVP... states he was unable to finish analyzing Pral's train but will try in the morning

#938 / #939 - Double post responding to Clov's frustration with people posting that they can't post (#940 LOLDM)

#943 / #944 - is working on his analysis

#945 - Analyzes Pral train, suggests either Nyn and Hallia are mafia teammates and she started the Pral train to prevent Hallia's lynch, or Nyn is town and started the train in good faith, in which case he feels Kat, Talmanes and Sooh are most likely to be mafia.

#946 - Going to bed

Marsh's D1 started out a bit self-conscious about appearances and then after he went MIA over the weekend, he came back with a reads list that he couldn't clarify... piggybacked on the Pral lynch while maintaining Clov was "going for the easy lynch" (which he's continued into D2)... then came back after night phase with a bit of a "defeated scum" vibe. I don't know if his teammates got on his case about trying a little harder or what, but then we get an analysis of Pral's train which gives us an... interesting... theory about Nyn and Hallia being scummates, or the alternate Kat/Talmanes/Sooh team which seems almost as wild, and completely disregards his earlier insistence that Clov is scum.

I'm pretty comfortable voting here in the morning but I do want to see if I can at least skim WiFi, Talmanes and Niniel to get a better idea on them.

And I'm never going to wake up if I don't call it a night 

What makes you think those posts came from defeated scum versus town who knows he's done for? Or was it because of your overall opinion of his alignment?

Um? Probably because I was already finding him suspicious... Kat's comment that she made pretty much the exact same post as mafia (in a game that I modded, no less) probably adds to that impression.

I'm assuming you aren't reading those posts as town who knows he's done for, right? :confused:

No, I dont. But if I only had read those specific posts and not everything else has happened, I don't know HOW I would read them.

So I'm trying to figure what gave you defeated mafia vibes and just "defeated vibes".

 

 

 

 

Dice quote:

 

 

 

 

Sample ADVENTURER PM

Welcome ADVENTURER

It has been confirmed that a crate full of brownies has disappeared. You win when the DASTARDLY VILLAINS have been brought to justice (all threats to town have been eliminated)

In order to help with this investigation you have access to this satchel. Currently your satchel contains a notepad and pencil, you currently have no abilities other than your vote but be on the look out for extra items that may aid you in your investigation

GLGL <3

 

 

thats my point  we have access to a satchel and we CURRENTLY HAVE NO ABILITIES other then our vote!

 

So explain to me how she makes the jump that people may be roled?