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I wish I was going to a bbq :(

 

Come to Canada...bacon cheeseburgers and bacon cheesedogs and cold beer!!!!!

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I wish I was going to a bbq :(

 

Come to Canada...bacon cheeseburgers and bacon cheesedogs and cold beer!!!!!

 

 

I did have some thoughts about stashing my sister in some basement for two weeks and stealing her plane ticket. That would be easy enough. But then I'd have to learn how to play Softball. And that just sounds like a lot of work lol

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Im not feeling good about Hallia.

 

Im almost considering testing the Kat/Wifi connection as well.

 

Dont know why you have Nini so high...I mean Ive read what youre saying but Im not so sure, that Kat interaction still stands out to me, theres def a different tone to her posts as well. 

 

Now all this is admittedly keeping in mind I dont read her all that well.

 

Hallia is a coin flip for me, tbh. I don't take her as a player I can figure out easily because we function differently.

 

I'm not opposed to the Kat/Wifi thing, but it's a pretty big gamble imo. I'll expand more in the next post.

 

I haven't noticed anything tonal from Nini that I think it out of the norm, so maybe if you (or Nyn) can explain that more I'll have a better idea. I think she's been pretty sharp thus far. I associate scum!Nini with being more in the background and she's had a few head to head engagements already.

 

 

You're mistaken, Wifi. I'm not making the connection, Nini and whoever else thinks Kat "slipped" is.

 

The finer detail being that if Kat shares a QT with you and Laine, it would make you partners. I pointed this out to Nini to give her a broader scope to look from.

 

I have said I don't particularly find the argument compelling.

 

you dont find that awkward or strange at all man?

 

Sure, it's awkward/strange. But that doesn't make the theory true... know what I mean? It started mostly as a pet peeve for Nyn and since then people have been picking up the mantle and running with it some. Namely a few players that I'm not particularly comfortable with IE Tal/Lily.

 

My thought is that if we pursue this, what happens if one flips town? If one flips scum do we auto-lynch the other? Who do we start with? There's a lot of uncertainty/possibilites in it for me when it could boil down to a coincidence.

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Okay, *rubs hands* I'm all caught up now :smile:

 

I like several players so far but it will be hard to trust people when we have different mafia teams. My experiences tells me that it´s much easier to look town as mafia in a multiball game since you are actually hunting for mafia. 

 

I feel that this is very important and something I'd sort of lost sight of myself: just because someone asks the right questions, has the right attitude etc... doesn't mean they're not Mafia! It's true for any game, but especially so in a multiball where the Mafia player doesn't have to act like they're pursuing scum because they really are!

If it's different mafia teams indeed and about 4 players (maybe 5?) as has been suggested, that means 2 pairs of Mafia players, so looking for patterns might be complicated...

 

Following this logic, I won't be posting about "town reads" because I don't think they can be reliable in such a game. So now for my suspicions or lack thereof. Or well, not complete lack since my basic state is to be suspicious of everyone, let's say people I have "reason" or not to be suspicious of atm.

 

Kat: I don't think much about her supposed scum slip with her "I haven't seen her". I think it's good that it caught people's attention but it would be really sloppy and pretty pointless if anything, especially so early on.

 

@Kat, I'd love to see you interact more, what are your thoughts about Wifi?

 

Same for Sooh who got rightly called out on not participating much in the game, you gave a list of reads after being prompted but we haven't seen much of you since. Mentioning it because it might be "safe" to lay low as Mafia.

 

Dice: I went back to his early town reads and yes, they seem really categorical but if you consider directness and ~sharpness his style as AJ suggested:

 

 

AJ, can you explain your dice read? If you have already and I missed it, can you link me to it? Thanks. 

 

I touched on it briefly earlier but didn't go very in depth.

 

He has the directness and business-like attitude that I expect from him as a townie. It was there from the first post he made telling Talmanes that Zander wasn't getting lynched (the one he's catching so much grief over). His vote on Lily was pretty sharp too.

 

 

Then it sort of makes sense. Voting for Lily like that is particularly understandable on D1 when you don't have much to go on and have to make snap judgements. (tbc)
 

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If I thought you were Scum atp I think you know Id have 0 problems going after you man.  Ive done it as Scum so you KNOW Ill have no problem at all trying to take down Scum!AJ...

 

Do you feel what youre saying about me is alignment indicative of me?

I suppose that's true enough for both of us. Our last couple of games were pretty intense :tongue:

 

Maybe there's still a hangover affect from them? Idk.

 

Whether or not I feel it's alignment indicative, I don't think so. I won't get too into it but I think you'd play it the same way regardless. Whether town or scum from a different team trying to figure me out.

 

That said using my personal judgement I don't think you are scum. I will revisit this if we're both alive by like.. D4.

 

 

Yes yes the were....lolololololol

 

Perhaps but I think we both know each other enough to know that whats game related is game related so if you think Im Scum or vice versa go for it cause I promise you I will!!!

 

Fair enough.

 

I wont be waiting till D1 I will be constantly re evaluating things especially after I get a flip.  Id say as well D2 but I dont tend to make it that far cause Wolf Bullets always seem to find me....

 

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I dont feel it was benign, I thought it was actually somewhat Scummy.

 

Why do you suss Dice for it but have no issue with me doing it?

 

I'm gonna piggy back on this some because I don't think I explained it well earlier. This is also a good question from Zander.

 

@Lily - my issue is that you were so quick to reconsider your read when called on it, even indirectly, when you could've done that consideration before making the statement. You say you're impulsive, which is fair enough I suppose, but I don't really like how you didn't address this sooner when Dice voted you instead simply brushed off his vote using a buzzword.

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I wont be waiting till D1 I will be constantly re evaluating things especially after I get a flip.  Id say as well D2 but I dont tend to make it that far cause Wolf Bullets always seem to find me....

 

I know the feeling :wink:

 

Better you than me though, brother! lol

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Honestly I've sort of hoped Halli would bring it once the other game she was in was over, but she hasn't done anything that popped at me since. I also kind of noticed how she keeps posting in capital letters occasionally and I'm wondering if she's trying to add some OOMPH to her posts to seem more hyper and excited.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^

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as for Kat seeing Lainey elsewhere: she meant on the WHOLE of DM not just about this thread. :rolleyes: she was just trying to be nice!

 

How do you know what she meant?

 

 

ok Nyn seriously.....get out of my head!!!!!!

 

lolololololol

 

 

heh. You prolly have worse things in there  :tongue:

 

 

A vast space of emptiness??!?!!?!?

 

lolololololol

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I wish I was going to a bbq :(

 

Come to Canada...bacon cheeseburgers and bacon cheesedogs and cold beer!!!!!

 

 

I did have some thoughts about stashing my sister in some basement for two weeks and stealing her plane ticket. That would be easy enough. But then I'd have to learn how to play Softball. And that just sounds like a lot of work lol

 

 

Swing a metal bat at a ball you can imagine is my head....im sure you'll do fine!!!

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Honestly I've sort of hoped Halli would bring it once the other game she was in was over, but she hasn't done anything that popped at me since. I also kind of noticed how she keeps posting in capital letters occasionally and I'm wondering if she's trying to add some OOMPH to her posts to seem more hyper and excited.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

I could get behind this movement.

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as for Kat seeing Lainey elsewhere: she meant on the WHOLE of DM not just about this thread. :rolleyes: she was just trying to be nice!

 

 

How do you know what she meant?

 

 

 

 

Maybe that sounded harsh. I mean did you read my posts or was it just some vague feeling about my posts?

I dont know if its just me but you seem to becoming off a little...defensive perhaps the word Im looking for with your posts/responses.
I read my post and thought it might sound too agressive. As you know, I like nice mafia.

Popping in real quick.

I'd also like to see some game thoughts from Sooh.

Kat's reaction to Tina surprised me but apparently there's some history there. Not sure what to make of it.

Lily - why do you call Dice's vote opportunistic?

Luthine - what's got you warming up to scumDice idea?

Well, it´s not much of a history. We played together for the first time in our last game and we both read each other mafia although we were both town. I will try to keep that in mind because I can get stuck in tunnells sometimes.

But I still think my reasoning for suspecting her in the first place is valid. Nyn asked Wifi why she didn´t ask her mentor for advice and Kat answered for her instead. She wrote "I haven´t seen her yet" which is strange since the only place that Laine would show up is in a private qt with Wifi or in a mafia qt.

For the answering I was playing in another mafia game in which laine was about to be lynched and I hadn't seen her at all. Therefore I thought laine must not be here therefore wish can't ask her questions.
 

 

 

Kat: please elaborate! Where do you mean when you say HERE?

 

Eh.

I can understand reconsidering after some makes new posts or an event happens that changes your opinion, but that wasn't really the case here.

Why not consider your read more carefully before instead of making one and then changing it as soon as someone brings attention to it?

 

 

That's good advice. I tend to be impulsive by nature, and I used to overcompensate by being too careful and not posting much. Looking for that happy medium. 

 

I've reconsidered my read on Kat. She's not in my town pile anymore, although I'm not ready to put her in the scum pile. I don't like the way she and Wifi keep answering for each other. The first time, I thought she meant she hadn't seen Alanna online, maybe facebook or something, but it's getting too weird and seems that they are trying to cover it up.

LOOK PEEPS

 

A. I AM A NEWBIE

 

B. YES, KAT answered for me TWICE: 1. When I was asked if I had a mentor AND 2. Where she was.

 

C. YES, I did EXPAND on kat's answer. Which is why I want her to elaborate on whereHERE was! The REASON for my expansion is because people were saying that kat and I were CHEATING ie. Having a qt account together. They may not have used that word but the insinuation was there. And just so you know: I DO NOT CHEAT! I was told that there is NO COMMUNICATING of any kind outside of the game thread except @ NT when the mafia get together to pick their kill for the night AND PR to communicate with the MOD.

 

D. I am going to be rethinking some of my picks. I just got to get the iso to work.

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Im not feeling good about Hallia.

 

Im almost considering testing the Kat/Wifi connection as well.

 

Dont know why you have Nini so high...I mean Ive read what youre saying but Im not so sure, that Kat interaction still stands out to me, theres def a different tone to her posts as well. 

 

Now all this is admittedly keeping in mind I dont read her all that well.

 

Hallia is a coin flip for me, tbh. I don't take her as a player I can figure out easily because we function differently.

 

I'm not opposed to the Kat/Wifi thing, but it's a pretty big gamble imo. I'll expand more in the next post.

 

I haven't noticed anything tonal from Nini that I think it out of the norm, so maybe if you (or Nyn) can explain that more I'll have a better idea. I think she's been pretty sharp thus far. I associate scum!Nini with being more in the background and she's had a few head to head engagements already.

 

 

You're mistaken, Wifi. I'm not making the connection, Nini and whoever else thinks Kat "slipped" is.

 

The finer detail being that if Kat shares a QT with you and Laine, it would make you partners. I pointed this out to Nini to give her a broader scope to look from.

 

I have said I don't particularly find the argument compelling.

 

you dont find that awkward or strange at all man?

 

Sure, it's awkward/strange. But that doesn't make the theory true... know what I mean? It started mostly as a pet peeve for Nyn and since then people have been picking up the mantle and running with it some. Namely a few players that I'm not particularly comfortable with IE Tal/Lily.

 

My thought is that if we pursue this, what happens if one flips town? If one flips scum do we auto-lynch the other? Who do we start with? There's a lot of uncertainty/possibilites in it for me when it could boil down to a coincidence.

 

 

Solid points here.

 

Again I dont claim to be a good Nini reader but I feel very confident in saying her tone is different then her last game where we were both Town.  I dont think Im the only one to notice it either but as for now, shes got time to work with and I feel worse about other players atp.

 

And I like and can see your position on them but its still too much to let it go.  Im ok with giving them a little time to see if I feel like I need to re evaluate but I have the hibby jibbies and I was already feeling a little bad on Kat....

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Okay, *rubs hands* I'm all caught up now :smile:

 

I like several players so far but it will be hard to trust people when we have different mafia teams. My experiences tells me that it´s much easier to look town as mafia in a multiball game since you are actually hunting for mafia. 

 

I feel that this is very important and something I'd sort of lost sight of myself: just because someone asks the right questions, has the right attitude etc... doesn't mean they're not Mafia! It's true for any game, but especially so in a multiball where the Mafia player doesn't have to act like they're pursuing scum because they really are!

If it's different mafia teams indeed and about 4 players (maybe 5?) as has been suggested, that means 2 pairs of Mafia players, so looking for patterns might be complicated...

 

Following this logic, I won't be posting about "town reads" because I don't think they can be reliable in such a game. So now for my suspicions or lack thereof. Or well, not complete lack since my basic state is to be suspicious of everyone, let's say people I have "reason" or not to be suspicious of atm.

 

Kat: I don't think much about her supposed scum slip with her "I haven't seen her". I think it's good that it caught people's attention but it would be really sloppy and pretty pointless if anything, especially so early on.

 

@Kat, I'd love to see you interact more, what are your thoughts about Wifi?

 

Same for Sooh who got rightly called out on not participating much in the game, you gave a list of reads after being prompted but we haven't seen much of you since. Mentioning it because it might be "safe" to lay low as Mafia.

 

Dice: I went back to his early town reads and yes, they seem really categorical but if you consider directness and ~sharpness his style as AJ suggested:

 

 

AJ, can you explain your dice read? If you have already and I missed it, can you link me to it? Thanks. 

 

I touched on it briefly earlier but didn't go very in depth.

 

He has the directness and business-like attitude that I expect from him as a townie. It was there from the first post he made telling Talmanes that Zander wasn't getting lynched (the one he's catching so much grief over). His vote on Lily was pretty sharp too.

 

 

Then it sort of makes sense. Voting for Lily like that is particularly understandable on D1 when you don't have much to go on and have to make snap judgements. (tbc)

 

 

Dont know you as a player but I can hate the logic here.

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I legit don't know Nyn.  Sometimes I bring the fire and sometimes my WIM is down.  Trying to keep it up for myself.  That recent WiFi screams scummy to me.  Prolly gonna still vote there.

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Now, about Lily, while her initial "backtracking" didn't especially ping me, I'm leery of her defensiveness re: Dice and his voting for her.

 

 

Slight town reads: Nyn, Zander, Kat

 

That's all I have right now, although I am concerned how Dice thinks he can have a solid read this early. Or why he expects me to. 

 

This in particular doesn't look good because it doesn't address the fact that she backtracked but instead she sorta strawmans about having an early read, something she herself did, and about Dice "expecting her" to have one. Nyn and Zander had already been considered Townies by several players, so the read doesn't bring much else...

 

 

Can you expand on your read on Kat?

 

 

Not much. She's playing like she did last game, or it seems that way to me. Like I said last game, I'm an intuitive player, especially early on. 

 

 

Not sure that this says anything one way or another, would just like to have it out here for completion's sake.

 

 

 

Not sure how i feel about Kat answering for Wildflower. 

 

Are you two friends from the WT?

 

Wont lie, Kat is kinda sketching me out but that wasnt the reason why tho...

 

 

@Zander, this was right at the beginning, what was it that sketched you out about Kat? Or point me to the post if you already elaborated on that.

Posted

 

I wont be waiting till D1 I will be constantly re evaluating things especially after I get a flip.  Id say as well D2 but I dont tend to make it that far cause Wolf Bullets always seem to find me....

 

I know the feeling :wink:

 

Better you than me though, brother! lol

 

 

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as for Kat seeing Lainey elsewhere: she meant on the WHOLE of DM not just about this thread. :rolleyes: she was just trying to be nice!

 

How do you know what she meant?

 

 

 

 

Maybe that sounded harsh. I mean did you read my posts or was it just some vague feeling about my posts?

I dont know if its just me but you seem to becoming off a little...defensive perhaps the word Im looking for with your posts/responses.
I read my post and thought it might sound too agressive. As you know, I like nice mafia.

Popping in real quick.

I'd also like to see some game thoughts from Sooh.

Kat's reaction to Tina surprised me but apparently there's some history there. Not sure what to make of it.

Lily - why do you call Dice's vote opportunistic?

Luthine - what's got you warming up to scumDice idea?

Well, it´s not much of a history. We played together for the first time in our last game and we both read each other mafia although we were both town. I will try to keep that in mind because I can get stuck in tunnells sometimes.

But I still think my reasoning for suspecting her in the first place is valid. Nyn asked Wifi why she didn´t ask her mentor for advice and Kat answered for her instead. She wrote "I haven´t seen her yet" which is strange since the only place that Laine would show up is in a private qt with Wifi or in a mafia qt.

For the answering I was playing in another mafia game in which laine was about to be lynched and I hadn't seen her at all. Therefore I thought laine must not be here therefore wish can't ask her questions.
 

 

 

Kat: please elaborate! Where do you mean when you say HERE?

 

Eh.

I can understand reconsidering after some makes new posts or an event happens that changes your opinion, but that wasn't really the case here.

Why not consider your read more carefully before instead of making one and then changing it as soon as someone brings attention to it?

 

That's good advice. I tend to be impulsive by nature, and I used to overcompensate by being too careful and not posting much. Looking for that happy medium. 

 

I've reconsidered my read on Kat. She's not in my town pile anymore, although I'm not ready to put her in the scum pile. I don't like the way she and Wifi keep answering for each other. The first time, I thought she meant she hadn't seen Alanna online, maybe facebook or something, but it's getting too weird and seems that they are trying to cover it up.

LOOK PEEPS

 

A. I AM A NEWBIE

 

B. YES, KAT answered for me TWICE: 1. When I was asked if I had a mentor AND 2. Where she was.

 

C. YES, I did EXPAND on kat's answer. Which is why I want her to elaborate on whereHERE was! The REASON for my expansion is because people were saying that kat and I were CHEATING ie. Having a qt account together. They may not have used that word but the insinuation was there. And just so you know: I DO NOT CHEAT! I was told that there is NO COMMUNICATING of any kind outside of the game thread except @ NT when the mafia get together to pick their kill for the night AND PR to communicate with the MOD.

 

D. I am going to be rethinking some of my picks. I just got to get the iso to work.

 

 

but here post came AFTER you mentioned it....

 

But I dont like this at all...i want to give more time for her and Kat but willing to vote here if I can get enough people on Hallia or she doesnt trend up quickly.

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Sure, it's awkward/strange. But that doesn't make the theory true... know what I mean? It started mostly as a pet peeve for Nyn and since then people have been picking up the mantle and running with it some. Namely a few players that I'm not particularly comfortable with IE Tal/Lily.

 

My tone reading isn't that great, really, and it's not something I put a lot of weight into because I suck at it? lol  But she seemed very serious. Which is why I mentioned that she felt sorta stiff and fact of the matter. Not that I consider Tina to be the jokey lololol sort. But I dunno. It's just something I noticed. But I did like what she had to say. Now it's a matter of whether she is consistent with her contributions, basically (like I mentioned earlier). 

 

Tal I'd have to ISO. Off the top of my head he seems somewhat passive and I don't recall anything memorable from him other than him not liking players clearing players early? or something to that effect. I know he said we played together before, but I honestly don't remember so I'm sort of flying blind with him. But he's definitely someone I need to take a closer look at.

 

Lily is a player I "handle" carefully because she's always inherently scummy to me. But backtracking is not necessarily scummy for her. I've seen her make 180 read changes as town. So I still need to feel her out some more and get a sense of her thread presence, which is usually telling for her imo. 

Posted

I legit don't know Nyn.  Sometimes I bring the fire and sometimes my WIM is down.  Trying to keep it up for myself.  That recent WiFi screams scummy to me.  Prolly gonna still vote there.

 

Randing Scum can really do that to you eh....

 

<3 <3 <3 <3

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LOOK PEEPS

A. I AM A NEWBIE

 

B. YES, KAT answered for me TWICE: 1. When I was asked if I had a mentor AND 2. Where she was.

 

C. YES, I did EXPAND on kat's answer. Which is why I want her to elaborate on whereHERE was! The REASON for my expansion is because people were saying that kat and I were CHEATING ie. Having a qt account together. They may not have used that word but the insinuation was there. And just so you know: I DO NOT CHEAT! I was told that there is NO COMMUNICATING of any kind outside of the game thread except @ NT when the mafia get together to pick their kill for the night AND PR to communicate with the MOD.

 

D. I am going to be rethinking some of my picks. I just got to get the iso to work.

 

The insinuation is that you and Kat are mafia together, not cheating.

 

 

 

Again I dont claim to be a good Nini reader but I feel very confident in saying her tone is different then her last game where we were both Town.  I dont think Im the only one to notice it either but as for now, shes got time to work with and I feel worse about other players atp.

 

And I like and can see your position on them but its still too much to let it go.  Im ok with giving them a little time to see if I feel like I need to re evaluate but I have the hibby jibbies and I was already feeling a little bad on Kat....

 

Fair enough about Nini - but I think I've been pretty successful in the past reading her but as always, things can change. For now though, she's not really on my radar.

 

I don't have either Wifi/Kat anywhere near my townie list, so again, I could go here. The question is which do we start with and what would the follow up?

Posted

Alright guys I gotta peace out!!!

 

Time for some bbq and beers!!!!

 

I will hopefully be back later if not Ill check in early.

 

I also still think we should move DL back to tomorrow night or w/e 24 hours less is.

 

Doubt Ill vote outside of Hallia Kat Wifi tho.

Posted

I've liked Luthine's last two posts. There's nothing in there I want to response to directly, but I like seeing #work

 

I won't be around for the rest of the day most likely. We're about to leave for lunch with the in-laws and later I'm going to watch a rugby match.

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