Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Shad_]

Turin

Lenlo

Alanna

Tsuki (admittedly, only because of his claim, not his content)

Eldrick

Rey

Hallia

BFG

Niniel

Shad

Dice

Zander

Reads from Town to Scummy

 

Turin

Laine

Sooh

Niniel

Eldrick

BFG

 

Tsuki

Rey

Dice

Shad

 

Hallia

 

RTE's updated reads list.  Hallia and I continue to drop and become his main targets.  Rey shifts down and Niniel shifts up along thread consensus lines.  BFG into the greens is a little odd.  Tsuki into orange is o_O.

[Shad_]

Turin

Lenlo

Alanna

Tsuki (admittedly, only because of his claim, not his content)

Eldrick

Rey

Hallia

BFG

Niniel

Shad

Dice

Zander

Reads from Town to Scummy

 

Turin

Laine

Sooh

Niniel

Eldrick

BFG

 

Tsuki

Rey

Dice

Shad

 

Hallia

 

RTE's updated reads list.  Hallia and I continue to drop and become his main targets.  Rey shifts down and Niniel shifts up along thread consensus lines.  BFG into the greens is a little odd.  Tsuki into orange is o_O.

[Hallia]

Ohhh. Good catch there Shad.

[Eldrick4221]

Why was bfg to green weird? The effort she put in d2 was very towny.

[Eldrick4221]

Or was that just nini? Now I'm not sure.

[Eldrick4221]

Tsuki into orange was very o_0

 

He probably figured out that Tsuki was really the cop and was trying to cast shade.

 

Also I had a thought last night. The post RTE made about scum saying out of the Turin/Zander thing. If he knew who the scum were, he could have seen that they already were, and that was a signal.

[Eldrick4221]

I don't like that Niniel is pushing the idea that rte didn't know who the scum were. Of course it's possible, but it's not a possibility I think we should pursue. Trying to discredit the idea of a reason to scum hunt just feels wrong to me.

[Eldrick4221]

Anand back to work

[Shad_]

Why was bfg to green weird? The effort she put in d2 was very towny.

 

 

Or was that just nini? Now I'm not sure.

 

Niniel put in a ton of work D2.  BFG was certainly more active than before, but she never reached #fullBFG before subbing out.  RTE could have easily left her in orange and Tsuki in green.

[Shad_]

Who knows how much of that final read list was composed in the expectation that he was going down though.  Like the Tsuki thing in particular looks like a calculated WIFOM move that RTE didn't mind making because he didn't expect to be alive to have to answer for it.

[Nikonis]

Looks like we are all still here so will continue where I left off and try to get as far as I can tonight then pick up in the morning and as I can through the day when not too busy with RL work.

 

 

 

@ Nikon if you preview your post you can see if the formatting is off before submitting

 

Thanks, I'll give that a try and, worst case if it continues to be trouble, can always just link them.

[alannalynn]

I'm just letting you get caught up, not posting much during this night phase, sorry

[Nikonis]

Picking up on reads list from post 169

 

 

-1 Eldrick - PAGE 9, POST 169 - Says that, even though Shad hasn't done anything scummy, he will vote him because of past games.  When would past games ever be a good way to judge someone in THIS completely different game?  Not bad to keep an eye on someone for this but to vote them before even giving them a chance to SHOW their alignment seems to nudge me the wrong way. Soon after, BFG asked to expand and he says "I don't trust him, and won't trust what he says on its own. I need other people to give me a town read on him before I can consider it myself." which is fine but again, why VOTE that way unless meaning it as a joke vote and now that posts are seeming to begin to get real it isn't the time for joke votes (If this is one) IMO.

 

I'm feeling good about John so far. I hope it continues so I can start building my town core.

 

And as I said in my list of thought, I don't trust Shad.

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

Haven't seen anything remotely scummy yet, and this is a good place to add some pressure IMO.

 

 

 

+0 Eldrick - PAGE 9, POST 173 - Exact same thing as the last one, way too early in the game and, though Dice has a couple of real seeming posts so far, still not enough IMO to label him as TOWN nor SCUM.  Fine to slot on his reads list as he did but also seems a little too soon to claim that aloud.

 

I also think I'm gonna slot dice as town for now because I am constantly misreading him as scum.

 

 

 

+0 ELDRICK - PAGE 9, POST 175 - If Eldrick continues to be on the radar though the rest of the reads, dies and flips SCUM then would these "Clears" of Dice be alignment indications?  Would assume he would distance himself from his team though so maybe overthinking it.

 

 

 

alright boys who we lunchin

 

i'm in charge now

 

Wolves or Zander  possibly both

 

 

I read this as a joke. I think Zander is reading too much into it.

 

 

 

 

+1 Turin - PAGE 9, POST 178 - Sees the same thing I mentioned and calls Eldrick out on it

 

Eldrick, that is poor reasoning to make someone a wolf. Basically that he is a good wolf. I disagree with the idea of you being willing to trust someone else to tell you he is town before you are even willing to consider it. 

 

It is very early still but I will look at Shad.

 

 

 

+1 ALANNALYNN - PAGE 10, POST 188 - Seems to be putting in some good thought and acting like a town should, +1 for that.

 

 

 

 

 

You should totally straighten him out. 

 

 

 

Whats mommy doing to dad????

I just read this and died laughing. Thank you Zander

Also a fan of Rey right now. Good amount of snark, makes rereading more enjoyable. Not alignment indicative though, but probably want to keep him around for fun factor. lol

 

Well, that was more direct than I expected.

I'd say you can read Zander decently by his cases. He'll throw out gut/tone stuff a lot, but he'll bring it together with conviction or the appearance of it sooner or later, and if you're scratching your head more than nodding along he's probably a wolf.

This is mostly true, but he has been crazy tunnelly as town before and not cased as well as he should. Meh

#88 @Rey In regards to meta-play, it's been heavily used recently, more among some players than others. Sometimes it's used to make really accurate cases, sometimes it totally screws us over, so it just depends. I think it's a good tool to get some early reads in a game though. If we know how people generally react, it's somewhere to start from.

#113 McClane, not sure what your "LOLWUT" reaction is to my questions.

 

#125 pings me a little bit from Lenlo. I'm having trouble with Lenlo's response here because he's inserting a snarky comment where I'm not sure it quite fits. =/

#129 @Tsuki, you didn't explain why my entrance was funky. Also not sure where any of those "reads" are coming from. They sound more like jokes to me than anything, can you expand more please?

 

It's silly, because you really weren't saying anything at all. A dismissive joke, and letting us know it's a null tell... which is pretty much stating the obvious. Nobody comes out and declares themselves scum, after all.

And yet you're voting him on a null action. Hypocrite? 

#136 EW Zander. Don't like this vote on Dice, feels forced because I'm pretty sure Dice was joking, especially since he says he doubts you're a wolf in the same post.. But apparently I read your reasoning wrong which you explain on 142. Not sure it's "TMI" enough to call Dice wolf though?

Probably sitting null-townish on Dice for his responses. Townish on Zander. Shad gets negative points for his light entrance, something isn't sitting right there. Lenlo (-) for that awk post I mentioned earlier. Tsuki had some weird reads I want him to expand on so that I know what he's saying. Most everyone else is null. Might actually call Turin town.

 

 

 

 

 

+1 ALANNALYNN - PAGE 10, POST 193 - I would probably have kept quiet and watched silently, mentioning it could cause them to react and change their game IF scum team, but overall a townie attitude.  So far a good feeling on her as town.

 

Meh. Don't really want to push Shad, I moreso want to sit back and watch him for a bit.

 

Same with Zander, let him do his thing.

 

BFG, if you're still here, thoughts on Shad and Zander?

 

 

 

+1 Turin - PAGE 11, POST 212 & 213 - Some good beginning analysis of posts and players, beginning to form reads early on.

 

 

Vote: Zander

 

Game has to start somewhere. I don't presume to know if him mentioning "getting the wolves" constantly is alignment indicative, but I tend to think over-selling yourself as town is a scum marker.

 

So, let's see what happens, shall we?

Bold is his reasoning. I agree with it and it is one of the things that perks my ears up too. (i.e. Zander using the PM thing to atempt to hard clear himself in GnD) You see it as alignment neutral for Zander specifically. He sees it as a general tell. ( at least that is my take on it) 

 

Also the underlined, You see something that sits odd you push to see what develops. I can appreciate that. 

 

 

[v] Dice {/v]

 

I don't like he kept his "joke" vote on Rey even after he seems to have a lean on John. Well he called him a hypocrite anyway.  

HAHA! I just called him a hypocrite too. Apparently it's okay for him to make comments on reads but not okay for anyone else, I can see where Dice is coming from

 

It might help you to think of John as a cross between Mynd and Darthe. But with a different sense of humour. Hr is a "beat the grass to startle the snakes" type player. 

 

If he gets under your skin you could ask him to go find his "Princess Sparklebutt" siggy 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi again everyone! I´m now awake. Or something close to it. 

 

Eldrick, that is poor reasoning to make someone a wolf. Basically that he is a good wolf. I disagree with the idea of you being willing to trust someone else to tell you he is town before you are even willing to consider it. 

 

It is very early still but I will look at Shad. 

 

 

D1  yolo wolf team of Dice, Zander and Tsuki.  

 

Please explain the yolo team. Reasons?

 

Actually I'd like to know this myself. You recently touched base on dice and zander, but you haven't given any reason for Tsuki IIRC.

 

TBH, Tsuki is the most YOLO of the three. It is only the bold below. He acknowledges Dice claiming ghost but doesn't seem to want to pursue it in any meaningful way. 

 

 

alanna is new to me... Hate that opening, smells funky as hell...

 

dice claimed ghost *nods*... but claimed Townie ghost? O.o

 

Rey says Towny too often to be sincere

 

Turin is scum, because he married Ithi. Also, his favorite dessert is apparently Trifles... words are hard.

 

I think I am going to enjoy playing with Rey.

Teammates

 

Hi, BFG <3

 

The rest seems to be mostly meaningless banter with the possible exception of the Rey/Shad thing. Especially since dice is already "joke" voting Rey. 

 

 

 

 

+0 DICE - PAGE 11, POST 219 - While it isn't necessary to remove the joke vote (especially if no others on them creating a train) though I do question if a joke vote should be left AFTER the game starts to get into real content and off the D1 joke period. Still does not unvote even after admitting it is joke vote.

 

 

 

[v] Dice {/v]

 

I don't like he kept his "joke" vote on Rey even after he seems to have a lean on John. Well he called him a hypocrite anyway.  

 

Rey hasnt even responded to it yet. I think its quite alright to leave a joke vote there til the joked one actuaslly sees it.

 

I think your stretching for something and im ure pick cause zander and john are being dopey.

 

FOS

 

 

 

 

+1 ELDRICK - PAGE 11, POST 220 - Some good analysis and asking questions to clarify things previously said... Unvotes when his reads and options match those of the person he had voted.

 

 

@Laine

 

 

Lol I'll be making reads later once I reread these 8 pages. Just for you

 

Can you make reads for the rest of us too?

 

 

 

@dice

 

 

ithi theres currently two votes on me

 

How do you feel about those votes?

 

 

 

@Turin, your problem with him seems to be that he doesn't have a problem with dice soft claiming a ghost. I personally know this isn't an issue. As I have already mentioned, I am a town ghost. It must just be flavor.

 

@Niniel, I don't see what you're getting at. Can you explain?

 

 

Frankly, I find the fact that anyone has an actual read on anyone in under 10 pages, with almost NO game content posted to be complete bull... so I agree with you, but for a separate set of reasons.
 
unvote, vote Dice

I'm already starting to think you're town.

 

 

This is a good look for you. We both got a town read on the same person from the early game.

 

[unvote]

 

 

 

 

 

Thought I'd have gotten further in the past hour or two but only made it three or four pages >_<. In six hours I've gotta get up to get ready for work so heading to sleep.  Will pick up from the top of page 12 and hopefully get a lot more caught up tomorrow since I should be coming home right after work and, if things don't get busy, I may even have a little time to hop on while there.

 

PAGES 1-11 (+ CONFIRMED PLAYERS)

+2 Alanna

+2 Turin

Eldrick

Niniel

Tsuki - CLAIMED COP

Dice - CLAIMED STUMP

Shad

Rey - CLAIMED GOV

Hallia - CLAIMED DOC

-1 Sooh

 

CONFIRMED TOWN

Zander - Town Neighbor

 

CONFIRMED SCUM

RTE - Mafia Sympathiser

[Nikonis]

Okay, hope to still be here in the morning and hopefully the scum team has bigger fish to fry than the newest replacement to the game.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Good morning :) I'm working today but I'll try and keep up when I can.

 

It is still Night 2. You have till 9pm BST Thursday April 21 to submit any night actions. If all actions are received sooner then Day may start sooner.

 

Night 2 Deadline

 

 

Just over 13 1/2 hours to go.

[Eldrick4221]

Your deadlines are so looong :P

[Niniel]

I don't like that Niniel is pushing the idea that rte didn't know who the scum were. Of course it's possible, but it's not a possibility I think we should pursue. Trying to discredit the idea of a reason to scum hunt just feels wrong to me.

 

I´m not trying to discredit it. I´m just saying that we don´t know. I don´t think we should assume anything. It´s one possibility. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Only 2 days and hey ... If I get actions or a lynch before I'd start before.

 

You got the powa!

 

And by that I mean the players lol

[Niniel]

@ Nikon. Good find with Lenlo mentioning a symp early on. I need to go back and see if it fit into the conversation or not. Just checking in before work but will do that later. 

[Niniel]

 

 

 

Tsukibana Reyoru and John McClane are completely foreign to me, and RTE might as well be.  Should be fun.

RTEs in this game? Aw man awesome.

 

 

 

I have a soft spot for RTE he was the first Wolf Lynch I ever led

 

<3 <3 <#

 

RTE was the new guy I tricked in WW2, when I lied about being a Symp turned Survivor.

 

 

Found it. Hm... don´t know if we can take this as a hint or not. Lenlo was one of my main suspects though. I´ll think about it. 

[Eldrick4221]

Nini, do you have any idea how to read Shad?

[Eldrick4221]

I wonder if anyone is willing to claim that they are a member of the ghostbuster team.

[Eldrick4221]

I wonder if anyone is willing to claim that they are a member of the ghostbuster team.

 

Actually, ignore this. If that actually is the mafia team, like Turin tinfoiled, I don't want the game broken by character claims. That's no fun.

[Sooh]

I've been reading bits and pieces here and there, but I don't really have time to devote to reading the full game until Friday afternoon/Saturday. If it is as you say so that several of you find this slot suspicious I ask you not to hammer me until I can get back and talk to you guys. I'm going away in 1 1/2 hour from now on a camping trip with all of my classes. Before that time I won't have time to sit here and play with you guys, so this is it from me until my Friday afternoon/evening. I would be extremely disappointed if I ended up hammered before I had time to really get into the game. I'll see you all in 30+ hours.

[Turin Turambar]

I'm feeling good about John so far. I hope it continues so I can start building my town core.

 

And as I said in my list of thought, I don't trust Shad.

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

Haven't seen anything remotely scummy yet, and this is a good place to add some pressure IMO.

 

 

 

 

@Laine

 

 

Lol I'll be making reads later once I reread these 8 pages. Just for you

 

Can you make reads for the rest of us too?

 

 

 

@dice

 

 

ithi theres currently two votes on me

 

How do you feel about those votes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi again everyone! I´m now awake. Or something close to it. 

 

Eldrick, that is poor reasoning to make someone a wolf. Basically that he is a good wolf. I disagree with the idea of you being willing to trust someone else to tell you he is town before you are even willing to consider it. 

 

It is very early still but I will look at Shad. 

 

 

D1  yolo wolf team of Dice, Zander and Tsuki.  

 

Please explain the yolo team. Reasons?

 

Actually I'd like to know this myself. You recently touched base on dice and zander, but you haven't given any reason for Tsuki IIRC.

 

TBH, Tsuki is the most YOLO of the three. It is only the bold below. He acknowledges Dice claiming ghost but doesn't seem to want to pursue it in any meaningful way. 

 

 

alanna is new to me... Hate that opening, smells funky as hell...

 

dice claimed ghost *nods*... but claimed Townie ghost? O.o

 

Rey says Towny too often to be sincere

 

Turin is scum, because he married Ithi. Also, his favorite dessert is apparently Trifles... words are hard.

 

I think I am going to enjoy playing with Rey.

Teammates

 

Hi, BFG <3

 

The rest seems to be mostly meaningless banter with the possible exception of the Rey/Shad thing. Especially since dice is already "joke" voting Rey. 

 

 

 

I went back and Tsuki actually pings me but for another reason.

 

 

alanna is new to me... Hate that opening, smells funky as hell...

 

dice claimed ghost *nods*... but claimed Townie ghost? O.o

 

Rey says Towny too often to be sincere

 

Turin is scum, because he married Ithi. Also, his favorite dessert is apparently Trifles... words are hard.

 

I think I am going to enjoy playing with Rey.

Teammates

 

Hi, BFG <3

 

 

 

Now I'm silly AND funky

 

 

And emo

 

Don´t know where he is going with this. 

 

 

I just reread the whole thread. I didn't personally have an issue with Tsuki. Both of you apparently do, but neither are voting him. Interesting.

@Turin, your problem with him seems to be that he doesn't have a problem with dice soft claiming a ghost. I personally know this isn't an issue. As I have already mentioned, I am a town ghost. It must just be flavor.

 

@Niniel, I don't see what you're getting at. Can you explain?

 

 

Frankly, I find the fact that anyone has an actual read on anyone in under 10 pages, with almost NO game content posted to be complete bull... so I agree with you, but for a separate set of reasons.

 

unvote, vote Dice

I'm already starting to think you're town.

 

 

This is a good look for you. We both got a town read on the same person from the early game.

 

[unvote]

 

Look at the timestamps. Eldrick is saying that he and shad both got a townread on the same person. But shad had the town read BEFORE Eldrick stated that he didn't trust Shad. I find this very odd given that it appears to be Eldrick's reason for unvoting and "feeling better" about Shad. It makes me think that the entire "I don't trust Shad" thing was fake.