[Advanced] Salem Mafia - GAME OVER - MAFIA WIN

[Turin Turambar]

 

If I had truly played bad as you are trying to say then I would have been lynched d1 and Seph would have shot shad(or BFG) and town would have won. So just NO.

 

Things didn't work out for town this game. It happens.

Lolol. Luck favored town this game. How can you not see that starting out 4-2-2 does not favor town. This is basic stuff.

The game started 6-2-2. If luck favored town it would not have been 4-2-2 after n0 finished. There are loads of ways that night could have gone. doc protection, SK taking out shad or z. BG taking out GF or SK. Spy lives. Just because none of them happened this time doesn't mean they won't next time.

 

Again, the biggest pro townie mechanic in the game was underused so dramatically it isn't funny. The spy had access to whispers if I read the rule correctly. So basically everyone talks to everyone and the spy is pretty much assured of figuring it all out by possibly d0 or worst d1. He hints if he doesn't want to claim ans leaves a detailed will that he also shares at least with his most trusted townies. Town pretty much wins every game.

 

I should just stop. Maybe I will this time.

[Sili Quirrels]

Nothing small about dice guessing right 1/72 times and zander not guessing right 1/9 and me not guessing right 1/9.

 

Even though you dont know this what youre really saying is town needs several independent favorable events n0 or d1 and n1 to get a shot at a f4 or f5 with sk or mafia depending.

 

This game we got 3-4 independent events massively in our favor. We needed 1 or two more and maybe then we might have won if we played the f4 well.

 

That you only see how mafia got lucky shows your bias. You were mafia so you focus on it but truth is both town and mafia got lucky. Mafia still won with trivial ease. Furthermore you do not need to be a goat mafia mod to see that 4-2-2 is unfavorable to town unless town has an oracle and joat in one.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

If I had truly played bad as you are trying to say then I would have been lynched d1 and Seph would have shot shad(or BFG) and town would have won. So just NO.

 

Things didn't work out for town this game. It happens.

Lolol. Luck favored town this game. How can you not see that starting out 4-2-2 does not favor town. This is basic stuff.

The game started 6-2-2. If luck favored town it would not have been 4-2-2 after n0 finished. There are loads of ways that night could have gone. doc protection, SK taking out shad or z. BG taking out GF or SK. Spy lives. Just because none of them happened this time doesn't mean they won't next time.

 

Again, the biggest pro townie mechanic in the game was underused so dramatically it isn't funny. The spy had access to whispers if I read the rule correctly. So basically everyone talks to everyone and the spy is pretty much assured of figuring it all out by possibly d0 or worst d1. He hints if he doesn't want to claim ans leaves a detailed will that he also shares at least with his most trusted townies. Town pretty much wins every game.

 

I should just stop. Maybe I will this time.

the whisper isnt pro town. Mafia can use it well too.

 

You dont know probability apparently.

[Turin Turambar]

I think I showed how we got lucky and how town could have used the rules better.

 

How did town get lucky? three or four times?

 

 

 

You know what? Nevermind.

 

You win. It was unfair to you.

 

 

 

Sorry.

[Sili Quirrels]

The spy just takes advantage of your mistakes. Lol. He has more info but that dont make him an oracle unless mafia is doing something wrong.

 

This is silly

youre right.

 

This wont go anywhere as long as you maintain the town solving the game by n1 is the norm.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well played everyone. Congratulations Mafia. I didn't have a clue what was happening lol. Far too many numbers involved.

[Turin Turambar]

Well to be fair when I'm town I rarely live past n1 so I have to solve by then.

 

 

Sometimes I'm even right. LOL.

[Sili Quirrels]

I think I showed how we got lucky and how town could have used the rules better.

 

How did town get lucky? three or four times?

 

 

 

You know what? Nevermind.

 

You win. It was unfair to you.

 

 

 

Sorry.

I rbd bfg.

Shad outed himself in mafia chat.

Zander was easy to spot day 1.

Seph subbed in pegged mafia and got zander lynched d1.

 

Thats 3-4 depending on whether you want to say seph did good.

[seph]

Town did have the ability to in fact kill by use of the transporter and BG on n0. They had to guess right but it could have happened.

I get you think it was too hard for town to win. I disagree. It wasn't easy but with even a small amount of luck it could have happened.

this really isn't going anywhere so I leave you all to it.

Thanks again for the game Eldrick.

Gg everyone.

Gg bud. I never should have questioned my read on you..... I knew I hat it right in my gut lol, but these dangdo anti town yo

[Turin Turambar]

Gg Seph...

 

Three biggest things in the game IMO were:

 

1. We kill spy N0.

2. You shoot Hallia N1.

3. Thane protected BFG N2.

 

If all three don't happen we don't win.

[seph]

Gg. Yea hallia sucks, especially when I literally had Shad's name written in there.

 

You played well, only reason I would have lynched you was poe, I was really hoping you were town that last phase...

The wasted effort lol

[seph]

Also that means the hallia shot sucks. Not hallia sucks........

[Turin Turambar]

Thanks Seph. I really wanted to get BFG lynched.

 

Sorry BFG.

[Eldrick4221]

You guys have no idea how hard it was to not point out that clearing bfg was the wrong move.

[Hallia]

I was about to say ; . ;

[BFG]

You guys have no idea how hard it was to not point out that clearing bfg was the wrong move.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe was killed by Mafia. This role has been cleaned.

 

Nothing was found with his body.

 

 

 

Sili was killed by Serial Killer. His role was Escort.

 

The following was left in his Will:

 

 

 

 

 

Msg

 

Rbd bfg

 

Darthe dice shad seem town from whispers and other stuff.

 

Lynch lil pls.

 

Blackmailer - Mafia Support - Give someone a PR for the following day.

Consigliere - Mafia Support - Mafia-aligned Investigator.

Consort - Mafia Support - Roleblock someone each night.

Framer - Mafia Deception - Choose one person to frame each night. (They will view as Mafia – Framer)

Godfather - Mafia Killing - Assign someone to be killed each night. Will submit the Nightkill personally if there isn't a Mafioso.

Janitor - Mafia Deception - Choose a person to clean each night, if they die. 3X cleanings

Mafioso - Mafia Killing - Night Kill. Carry out the Godfather's orders, if applicable.

Mafia got off two actions--a killing action and a Janitor action. Serial Killer got off a kill. So BFG can only be town or the Neutral Any slot.

 

 

 

A reminder that not all roles work the way you are used to.

 

The wiki linked in the OP explains how they work.

 

[Cory Caboose]

Turin I understand that you and Shad are proud of your effort - and you two certainly played well - but it's important for Eldrick to know the game balance was very off so that he can run more balanced games in the future. It's not a player issue, it's for Eld's sake.

 

gg all!

[BFG]

Turin could only have been GF or BG who self protected that night. He'd have been informed he was attacked, I was veering GF and if I hadn't kept falling asleep Friday night would have claimed investigator and forced his lynch through or tried, I was running last week on very(!) little sleep and I can't claim my thoughts were cohesive

 

nvm

 

Anyway GG!

 

Thane, I also had you as town, bit needed a third 'target' sorry :(

 

Turin, I tried to shoot you, I think you're 'allowed' to want to lynch me

[Sili Quirrels]

Gg Seph...

 

Three biggest things in the game IMO were:

 

1. We kill spy N0.

2. You shoot Hallia N1.

3. Thane protected BFG N2.

 

If all three don't happen we don't win.

I fail to see how the third matters.

[Shad_]

Turin I understand that you and Shad are proud of your effort - and you two certainly played well - but it's important for Eldrick to know the game balance was very off so that he can run more balanced games in the future. It's not a player issue, it's for Eld's sake.

 

gg all!

 

Wouldn't even say I'm proud of the win.  I just like winning.

 

Some of my balance critique was off because lulz I didn't know Turin and the SK had night immunity until the very end.

 

But either way, like I said to the mods, I had a ton of fun because it was completely ridiculous.  Not a set-up I'd recommend repeating but the speculation and random absurdity of so much of it thoroughly entertained me from start to finish.