the Hunt for the Dragon Reborn [Standard Mafia] Game Over town wins

[alannalynn]

Why those three in particular?

[alannalynn]

Okay I am gone, I have things to do. Someone decide that I'm town while I'm gone. bye

[Darthe]

We differ in opinion on those three, who are doing well enough to not be immediate lynch candidates.  Thus, they're going to be important later and would make things much easier if resolved now.  I think all three can be resolved but should he happen to come across some reason that they can't or shouldn't be I want to see it.

[BFG]

Out for the night, see you in the morrow

[Sooh]

 

 

Sooh what are your current reads on Calder and Hally?

Calder is town based on his observations and things he has pointed out so far about the game. 

 

Hally is town because she hasn't posted anything I see as wolfy, and also because Cory has her as town and I trust that read.

..... isn't that basically what I said? Why can you say it and think it but I cannot?

 

Usually the way I know you you need something more substantial to make a town read on someone. It's not the fact that you read them town that I question. It's the basis of doing so.

[alannalynn]

 

 

 

 

Sooh what are your current reads on Calder and Hally?

Calder is town based on his observations and things he has pointed out so far about the game. 

 

Hally is town because she hasn't posted anything I see as wolfy, and also because Cory has her as town and I trust that read.

..... isn't that basically what I said? Why can you say it and think it but I cannot?

 

 

Usually the way I know you you need something more substantial to make a town read on someone. It's not the fact that you read them town that I question. It's the basis of doing so.

Mmmmm not really. You make it seem like I'm always super wishy washy. I generally give reads for the sake of having people slotted somewhere but I only vote if I'm sure about something. It's also normal that I adapt reads based on who I'm town reading and trust to be accurate though so that should not be surprising either.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

I got about 15 minutes.

What do you think of the Dice lynch?

 

Who is your personal WTL?

 

DADV right now. I don't like the lack of movement thru the day

 

Personal WTL:

 

Shad: early stuff, and just an overall slimy feel. I doubt anyone follows there tho. 

Thane: feels like he is floating. Only reason not pushing actively is that 

Hallia: Sat on me all day and then it came out she misunderstood how trying to fit in is akin to buddying... Tina pointed it out some time before

Verb: He feels lawyerly. I just read him on ISO. 

Reminder to look at Turin's progression on Dice for calling this lynch DADV.

 

 

 

Fair enough, Laine.

 

I didnt know what this was till i read Cory's answer to it.

 

I dont really know what to make of it.  But the fact Dice flipped Scum and with the quote from Turin early about his read on me and seemingly discredit of it makes me more wary here.

 

Id like to here some more people chime in on this please.

 

 

well, i'll try to have a good nights sleep and will see you all in the morrow.

 

Current feeling: gonna stick with the reads i had, we seem to be having a solid town core at this point.

 

 

one last thing: Keep it civilized, in-game and fun, people.... didn't really like reading through the past couple of pages.

 

I dont really recall your reads other then some consensus Town ones iirc.

 

Who are the wolves iyo?  Like your WTL list and why?

[Cory Caboose]

Turin how accurate do you think the reads I make are?

Like if I told you I had a serious read, how likely are you to take it seriously over ignoring it for your own?

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

Sooh what are your current reads on Calder and Hally?

Calder is town based on his observations and things he has pointed out so far about the game. 

 

Hally is town because she hasn't posted anything I see as wolfy, and also because Cory has her as town and I trust that read.

..... isn't that basically what I said? Why can you say it and think it but I cannot?

 

 

Usually the way I know you you need something more substantial to make a town read on someone. It's not the fact that you read them town that I question. It's the basis of doing so.

Mmmmm not really. You make it seem like I'm always super wishy washy. I generally give reads for the sake of having people slotted somewhere but I only vote if I'm sure about something. It's also normal that I adapt reads based on who I'm town reading and trust to be accurate though so that should not be surprising either.

 

Wishy washy? No, the exact opposite is what I mean here.

[Cory Caboose]

That's a really serious question and I want a serious answer to it.

[Shad_]

Shaddddd is ???. No but seriously I think he's town. But I'm hesitant putting him any higher right now because I struggle a bit reading him. ISO target. I remember him being very active and involved at start of game and liking his posts but I also remember he can pull that as a wolf too so I need to go back and remind myself a bit of his actions early game.

Do you?

 

I think you had me as scum all three? times you've seen me scum by the end of D1.

 

Curious where you go with this.

[Zander?]

Laine deserves time, give her time IMO.

 

We have time. Use the whole night period.

 

 

I agree and Id like her to address some of the questions I had for her once she's fully up to date.

 

 

 

Wow this game really jumped ahead while I was sleeping. I apologize again, I intended to get online after work but I hadn't slept in 30+ hours and ended up sleeping in my car for a bit before driving home. ANYWAYS good morning, I haven't read the last 30 pages and skimmed pieces of the game before that so I might need a few to be caught up and current.

 

General impressions from what I've read so far:

Town:

Cory, Darthe, Hally, Zander, Tina, Calder, Shad

 

Feeling meh:

Sooh, Verb, Dice,

 

Who am I missing? Ummm Thane and Turin..... Currently null there

After reading the last 30 pagesss

Cory

Darthe

Zander

Tina

Calder

Hally

Shad

Thane

Turin

Sooh

Verb

 

Cory and Darthe solidified town, never lynching them this game but I'm pretty sure they're self resolving at this point. Cory for being an obvious villager and getting Dice lynched and Darthe for being pretty transparent himself and overall I've liked his actions this game. Zander is still a town read unless hell freezes over. He was also on Dice and seems to be town but I do have a little bit of tinfoil there that I need to get over. Tina is probably town, I've always had a little bit of trouble reading her but from the posts I've read, nothing is sticking out to me and quite a bit of it looks good; this coupled with maybe a little sheeping of my top towns puts her this high when she probably normally would not be. Overall good feelings there though.

Calder is Calder, nothing is sticking out to me about him and for some reason I feel good about his slot? I'm not 100% there and might want to ISO him but he's in my town reads for now. Hally: liked her activity and catch up posts from what I've seen she's been trying to make connections and feels town.

Shaddddd is ???. No but seriously I think he's town. But I'm hesitant putting him any higher right now because I struggle a bit reading him. ISO target. I remember him being very active and involved at start of game and liking his posts but I also remember he can pull that as a wolf too so I need to go back and remind myself a bit of his actions early game.

 

Thane/Turin null. I don't remember reading any of Thane's posts yet and Turin needs to be looked at for that DADV post because it's bugging me a little bit with Dice flipping wolf. Sooh and Verbal down there through POE and some tone things with Sooh. Verbal I haven't seen really contribute to the game so he's at the bottom for that reason as well even though I know he's asked for a sub.

 

I think this list is a little consensusy but that's mainly because most of the work was done by the time I got here. =/ 

 

 

 

I understand you just subbing in and a fair bit of the work has already been put in but this is a pretty safe list with no a lot of solid reasoning,

 

Please lmk when youre caught up and can you expand more on each read please my dear?

 

 

Sooh, I'm still on the cusp deciding if Dice spewed you villager or wolf.

 

I know that's not helpful and there's nothing you can do about it, but IDK, just letting you know what's going on in my head.

*shrug* I guess. 

 

If you don't know which way he spewed me I guess he didn't spew me anything.

 

 

I think you were def spewed one way or the other so I do agree with Cory here.

 

Its just determining which.  Im likely leaning Scum atp but I wanna ISO you first before I will lock it in one way or the other.

 

Also not a fan of the response comes across.  Its like nonchalant but you think it should be obv one way or the other.  Maybe Im not wording it correctly but it just feels off.

[Cory Caboose]

Honestly Shad has been incredible this game regardless of his alignment. If he's a villager his progressions have been unique and salient and deep, he was one of the originators of the push on Dice, he's been present and attentive.

 

If he's a wolf he's legitimately blown away other wolf efforts and it's not even close and I'll hang my hat on him for being able to fool me because wolfing against me is probably kind of exhausting.

 

Either way he's a shining star and I'm glad I have the pleasure of playing with him.

[Zander?]

 

I think I'm more concerned about everyone at least not hating the game or being mad they played it in than anything else.

 

My drive to win is still there, but I also want us to enjoy playing with each other.

 

It's not personal.

Dawg you can't please everyone and you can't put the burden of their enjoyment on your shoulders.  They gotta like it for themselves and gotta be able and take the punches on occasion.  You've not been a dick this game tbh.

 

 

 

Prolly the best post all game and its not alignment indicative at all imo.

[Turin Turambar]

Turin how accurate do you think the reads I make are?

 

Like if I told you I had a serious read, how likely are you to take it seriously over ignoring it for your own?

It depends on the situation. I will not likely follow a "trust me" read over my own Unless I already had you solid townie and I was really uncertain about my read.

 

My thoughts are my own and I don't sheep anyone now that Ithi doesn't play.

 

I have a little doubt on you still because the way you are handling my slot. Your words are saying you aren't interested in lynching me but I seem to keep showing up in your PoE.

 

Is there someone in particular this is about?

 

I will read in am. Bedtime now.

[Sooh]

 

Laine deserves time, give her time IMO.

 

We have time. Use the whole night period.

 

 

I agree and Id like her to address some of the questions I had for her once she's fully up to date.

 

 

 

Wow this game really jumped ahead while I was sleeping. I apologize again, I intended to get online after work but I hadn't slept in 30+ hours and ended up sleeping in my car for a bit before driving home. ANYWAYS good morning, I haven't read the last 30 pages and skimmed pieces of the game before that so I might need a few to be caught up and current.

 

General impressions from what I've read so far:

Town:

Cory, Darthe, Hally, Zander, Tina, Calder, Shad

 

Feeling meh:

Sooh, Verb, Dice,

 

Who am I missing? Ummm Thane and Turin..... Currently null there

After reading the last 30 pagesss

Cory

Darthe

Zander

Tina

Calder

Hally

Shad

Thane

Turin

Sooh

Verb

 

Cory and Darthe solidified town, never lynching them this game but I'm pretty sure they're self resolving at this point. Cory for being an obvious villager and getting Dice lynched and Darthe for being pretty transparent himself and overall I've liked his actions this game. Zander is still a town read unless hell freezes over. He was also on Dice and seems to be town but I do have a little bit of tinfoil there that I need to get over. Tina is probably town, I've always had a little bit of trouble reading her but from the posts I've read, nothing is sticking out to me and quite a bit of it looks good; this coupled with maybe a little sheeping of my top towns puts her this high when she probably normally would not be. Overall good feelings there though.

Calder is Calder, nothing is sticking out to me about him and for some reason I feel good about his slot? I'm not 100% there and might want to ISO him but he's in my town reads for now. Hally: liked her activity and catch up posts from what I've seen she's been trying to make connections and feels town.

Shaddddd is ???. No but seriously I think he's town. But I'm hesitant putting him any higher right now because I struggle a bit reading him. ISO target. I remember him being very active and involved at start of game and liking his posts but I also remember he can pull that as a wolf too so I need to go back and remind myself a bit of his actions early game.

 

Thane/Turin null. I don't remember reading any of Thane's posts yet and Turin needs to be looked at for that DADV post because it's bugging me a little bit with Dice flipping wolf. Sooh and Verbal down there through POE and some tone things with Sooh. Verbal I haven't seen really contribute to the game so he's at the bottom for that reason as well even though I know he's asked for a sub.

 

I think this list is a little consensusy but that's mainly because most of the work was done by the time I got here. =/ 

 

 

 

I understand you just subbing in and a fair bit of the work has already been put in but this is a pretty safe list with no a lot of solid reasoning,

 

Please lmk when youre caught up and can you expand more on each read please my dear?

 

 

Sooh, I'm still on the cusp deciding if Dice spewed you villager or wolf.

 

I know that's not helpful and there's nothing you can do about it, but IDK, just letting you know what's going on in my head.

*shrug* I guess. 

 

If you don't know which way he spewed me I guess he didn't spew me anything.

 

 

I think you were def spewed one way or the other so I do agree with Cory here.

 

Its just determining which.  Im likely leaning Scum atp but I wanna ISO you first before I will lock it in one way or the other.

 

Also not a fan of the response comes across.  Its like nonchalant but you think it should be obv one way or the other.  Maybe Im not wording it correctly but it just feels off.

 

Would it sway you any which way if I said it totally spewed me town?

 

It's like one of those "Are you town?" questions. Who's ever going to say "No."?

 

I can't decide whether you see me as town or not. Only you can decide that. 

 

I'm not you. If I said: "I'M OBVIOUSLY TOWN LDO!" would you be more likely to read me town? Really?

[alannalynn]

 

Shaddddd is ???. No but seriously I think he's town. But I'm hesitant putting him any higher right now because I struggle a bit reading him. ISO target. I remember him being very active and involved at start of game and liking his posts but I also remember he can pull that as a wolf too so I need to go back and remind myself a bit of his actions early game.

Do you?

 

I think you had me as scum all three? times you've seen me scum by the end of D1.

 

Curious where you go with this.

I struggle with you a lot more than you think. I may not always voice it on thread. You are always pretty townie through content and I don't think I could ever push a lynch on you without a red peek because you would out talk me by a mile. I often have reservations about town reading you. For now though, I am town reading you but I need to confirm my read through a bit more work.

[Sooh]

Sorry for quoting that whole long thing.

[Cory Caboose]

I have a little doubt on you still because the way you are handling my slot. Your words are saying you aren't interested in lynching me but I seem to keep showing up in your PoE.

 

You doubt me because I have a middling villager read on you and stronger villager reads on others?

 

Because it's a 13er I can have 6 people in my PoE. Who do you think I should have you higher than in Shad/Zander/Hallia/Darthe/Thane/Tina?

[alannalynn]

Zander would you expect my list to be any different?

 

I've also stated some areas I want to go back and read.

 

I still haven't left my bedroom today (nor my bed).

 

Cory I'll trust you on Shad if it gets me out of ISO'ing him.

[Zander?]

 

 

*snippety*

Calder is Calder, nothing is sticking out to me about him and for some reason I feel good about his slot? I'm not 100% there and might want to ISO him but he's in my town reads for now. Hally: liked her activity and catch up posts from what I've seen she's been trying to make connections and feels town.

I have issues seeing this from town!Laine. 

 

I am not sure if it makes sense that they are any shade of green at all at this point if this is all you're seeing about them.

I think Calder trends wolfy in a general sense just because he makes comments about being on the wolf team and on QT, etc. But he does this as either alignment. So far I haven't seen anything that looks like he's trying to take advantage of the situation and that's where the town lean is coming from. Part of it is just a generally good feeling, I guess, or perhaps wishful thinking. Hally's read is based on some reasons.

 

Are you complaining that I have them as solid town reads or that I have reads on them at all?

 

 

He trends wolfy for doing something completely null for him?

 

Wishful thinking?

 

Lainey Im not seeing my usual Town!Laine opbv villa yet.  I know youre catching up but stuff like this is gonna make it awfully hard to read you Town.

 

 

Lainey TBH I'm not quite sure how Darthe made sense to you in the first place

 

This is... well, this is Darthe.

 

He is what he is.

 

lololololololol

 

I don't see how any of this is difficult to follow..

 

Ive actually been able to follow Darthe a fair bit this game I think.  Youre making some sense for sure brother.

 

Hally confirmed awesome ldo

 

Im not disputing this but is this in response or reference to something in particular?

[Cory Caboose]

Turin's still very probably a villager I think, but his obsfucation and complete disconnect from the rest of the game are universal enough bad signs that I'd be hesitant to remove him from the PoE ever.

 

He cannot be allowed to win as a wolf on the very off-chance he is one, because that would be disgusting.

 

I don't think it's necessary wolfy he thought the Dice lynch was DADV, but the fact that he doesn't seem to even care about what it means for the game regardless is something I'll never understand.

I understand I don't think like he does, but I at least try to get inside his head.

 

His response to the lynch was exactly a begruding "well it might make you and Zander more likely to be villagers, bleh" type deal.

[alannalynn]

 

 

 

*snippety*

Calder is Calder, nothing is sticking out to me about him and for some reason I feel good about his slot? I'm not 100% there and might want to ISO him but he's in my town reads for now. Hally: liked her activity and catch up posts from what I've seen she's been trying to make connections and feels town.

I have issues seeing this from town!Laine. 

 

I am not sure if it makes sense that they are any shade of green at all at this point if this is all you're seeing about them.

I think Calder trends wolfy in a general sense just because he makes comments about being on the wolf team and on QT, etc. But he does this as either alignment. So far I haven't seen anything that looks like he's trying to take advantage of the situation and that's where the town lean is coming from. Part of it is just a generally good feeling, I guess, or perhaps wishful thinking. Hally's read is based on some reasons.

 

Are you complaining that I have them as solid town reads or that I have reads on them at all?

 

 

He trends wolfy for doing something completely null for him?

 

Wishful thinking?

 

Lainey Im not seeing my usual Town!Laine opbv villa yet.  I know youre catching up but stuff like this is gonna make it awfully hard to read you Town.

 

 

Lainey TBH I'm not quite sure how Darthe made sense to you in the first place

 

This is... well, this is Darthe.

 

He is what he is.

 

lololololololol

 

I don't see how any of this is difficult to follow..

 

Ive actually been able to follow Darthe a fair bit this game I think.  Youre making some sense for sure brother.

 

Hally confirmed awesome ldo

 

Im not disputing this but is this in response or reference to something in particular?

 

 

Zander. That is precisely my point. It would be wolfy but it is null for him. That's what I said. His posts, outside of those which are null, have been good. I'm not confident in my ability to read him perfectly due to his habits, therefore "wishful thinking" that he's town as I'm reading him to the best of my ability.

 

You already know this is going to be hard for me to get in here and be town read and I knew that too but I'm doing what I can to show you what I think but you can't attack everything I say without first considering if I'd say it as town in a less than ideal slot.

 

[Cory Caboose]

Like I just don't get it.

 

It's pretty well-known that Dice is someone I read very well. I specifically remember Turin watched me annihilate him in the Death of Meta game after subbing in and commented on it. He's not unaware of this.

 

I spend a great deal of my time never letting Dice slip away from the day's lynch and he's like "DADV, probably".

 

Dice flips exactly what I said he'd flip, and he goes "Well I still doubt Cory because he doesn't seem to want to villager read me".

 

I have literally no use for that.

[Sooh]

Like I just don't get it.

 

It's pretty well-known that Dice is someone I read very well. I specifically remember Turin watched me annihilate him in the Death of Meta game after subbing in and commented on it. He's not unaware of this.

 

I spend a great deal of my time never letting Dice slip away from the day's lynch and he's like "DADV, probably".

 

Dice flips exactly what I said he'd flip, and he goes "Well I still doubt Cory because he doesn't seem to want to villager read me".

 

I have literally no use for that.

This is still why I trust your Dice/Tina/Hallia reads