[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Andrej]

Zero urgency. You can nitpick all you want but the big picture is clear now - it's laid out all nice and pretty for anyone who isn't your partner to come look at and see the truth.

 

For having the knowledge you claim you did you were awfully passive in letting me get off the hook and someone else get wagoned.

 

I respect you trying to go for the big win, but you failed in hind sight. You would've done better to say you tracked me to Lenlo N2.

[Andrej]

At least then I couldn't have gone back to check your EOD actions. It hadn't even occurred to me until you reminded me that you didn't just vanish after I voted Nolder and that you had indeed been on later when DL was closing in.

 

So thanks for that lol

[Zander?]

Bold is quoted from AJ

 

 

I had a few people I mulled over. Part of the deciding factor WAS the fact you'd be gone and had been so I wanted a result immediately.

 

 

Why not me?  You were sussing me D1 an voted me 1st thing D2.

 

 

 

"Another post where he'll say he was 'questioning' me, etc etc. Again - even this is a very soft push for SOMEONE HE ALREADY KNEW WAS SCUM. This was his last post of the night, btw, with me still at 1 and Thane/Nolder tied at 3. Such urgency to lynch his caught wolf.

 

Zander didn't treat me like a caught wolf. He's only trying to claim now because we are in MyLo and he probably thought he could bank on at least Tina voting with him, with maybe some others for a quick hammer. It's bogus."

 

 

 

I dont know how may times youre gonna mention the same thing and expect a different answer. 

 

I fell asleep,

 

I pushed you all day after sussing you Day 1.

 

I breadcrumbed both my role and my character.

 

Your "reason" for peeking Leelou and subsequent not beiing able to read her in itself doesnt make really any sense, and of add in I seen you visit Yates while you claimed to go to her.

 

Youre ignoring 2 rl days worth of content and wont entertain the idea I feel asleep.

 

I didnt want to out myself if it was needed is pretty self explanatory.

 

Now we wait for the rest to weigh in on it and then your lynch there after.

[Zander?]

Hallia, what are your thoughts on AJ and Zander? 

 

Me too. 

 

Have your thoughts changed any?

 

You'll have to explain more irt ??.  Im not sure what youre looking for.

[Andrej]

Chump change, all of it.

 

Just because your argued with me and had your vote on me all day doesn't mean you pushed to get me lynched. Can you show ANYWHERE that you're trying to convince others that I'm scum? Like even a little bit.

 

And I'm sure you did fall asleep, I'll accept that. But that doesn't change how you acted up to that point. You had ample opportunity once my wagon went down to try and get momentum back on it. You didn't though, not at all. You questioned Leelou some, joked a bit with Thane, but never tried to get me lynched. Your actions prove that what you say you knew isn't true.

[Andrej]

Anyway - I think this has been debunked and now Zander is just trying to bucket water out of what he must've thought was his game-winning sailboat.

 

Should've made sure it wasn't so full of holes first, Scum Lord.

 

I'll shut up for real this time and let others come in and read up to decide for themselves.

[Hallia]

Leelou I don't even - I need to figure out who the fibber is

[Andrej]

Hallia just think about it like this.

 

If you were town and you KNEW someone was scum because you caught them with your NA - would you let them passively slip away while others got ran up?

 

Wouldn't you try harder to convince others they were scum?

[Zander?]

All you did was bicker and throw dirt at me, trying to make a case on me being a hypocrite and straight ignoring the finer points of what I was saying.

 

You never tried to get me lynched. Your vote wouldn't have done it alone and when people started to unvote why didn't you encourage them to stay? Why didn't you push harder during EOD when Thane/Nolder were looking to be the wagons? You just meandered around like you have been all this game asking questions and making off hand comments.

 

It's simple. You didn't treat me like caught scum D2 and rally to get me lynched because you're lying about being a Tracker.

 

Which is exactly what youre doing by ignoring 2 full rl days.  Its not the first time you did that this game, nor the 2nd.  Hypocrite seems like the right word to use to me,  We did bicker a lot, that's true.  And if all you think is that I threw dirt at you i think youre ignoring the finer points of what I was saying...

 

 

 

lololololololololol

 

 

You just keep repeating this,  Ive answered already,  FYI- The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

 

I did a hell of a lot more then that this game AJ.

 

 

[Andrej]

We're all a little crazy here, Zander. :)

 

You're still a wolf though.

[Zander?]

Chump change, all of it.

 

Just because your argued with me and had your vote on me all day doesn't mean you pushed to get me lynched. Can you show ANYWHERE that you're trying to convince others that I'm scum? Like even a little bit.

 

And I'm sure you did fall asleep, I'll accept that. But that doesn't change how you acted up to that point. You had ample opportunity once my wagon went down to try and get momentum back on it. You didn't though, not at all. You questioned Leelou some, joked a bit with Thane, but never tried to get me lynched. Your actions prove that what you say you knew isn't true.

 

 

Anyway - I think this has been debunked and now Zander is just trying to bucket water out of what he must've thought was his game-winning sailboat.

 

Should've made sure it wasn't so full of holes first, Scum Lord.

 

I'll shut up for real this time and let others come in and read up to decide for themselves.

 

Youre entitled to your opinion even though its wrong.

 

Again these gloaty comments after all the AtE you poured out today with the I played bad and such are a stark contrast and its just you trying to muster up some false bravado to try and sway others with it.  

 

GLGL with that.

 

We'll let the others weigh in on it.  With that Im in agreement.

[Zander?]

We're all a little crazy here, Zander. :)

 

You're still a wolf though.

 

 

Thats prolly true.

 

No thats you.

[Andrej]

Anyone at all who thinks about the way I put it just now to Hallia will 100% know you are lying.

 

It's all in the thread, man.

[Niniel]

This doesn't look good for Zander but I'll have to re-read d2 for myself. A point I'll have to remember is that he didn't vote either of Thane and Nolder.

[BFG]

Votecount

 

 

AJ (1/5): Zander

 

Zander (1/5): AJ

 

Nolder (1/5): Leelou

 

 

Not Voting (5): Hallia, Nolder, Tina, Turin, Verb

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

Hallia just think about it like this.

 

If you were town and you KNEW someone was scum because you caught them with your NA - would you let them passively slip away while others got ran up?

 

Wouldn't you try harder to convince others they were scum?

I know for a fact this HAS happened on DM this year. I don't remember the name of the game but I was town and Lily was cop with a red read on BG from N1. She voted BG but never really tried very hard to get him lynched. I was mislynched. I think some people here were either in that game or specced it. 

 

Some people will try to stay hidden in any case. Hell, You let Dice who was a town read for you get lynched just to keep yourself from having to claim which would have kept you clear for the day and probably given you both room to work and more town cred. 

 

I asked this before and I don't think you ever answered. When you viewed Leelou what was your result?

 

Result: Leelou is TOWN

Result: TOWN 

[Nolder]

I don't have my vest anymore.

[Andrej]

The latter was my result.

 

And okay, but we're not talking about Lily. We're talking about Zander, the self professed towniest towny to ever town. There's no way he lets me off on D2 with a dead on catch like that. Zero chance. I was 3/6 at one point before my wagon dissolved, he could've stopped that dead in its tracks. Then again, with DL a few hours away with Thane and Nolder sitting at 3 he could've dropped that and let the late players read it and vote accordingly. Leelou was around. You showed up late. Nolder came in as well as Tina. Four votes, two of which were on the counter wagons suddenly swung my way.

 

But he didn't. He sat back, did his floaty routine and then was gone for the Night all the while I was working hard to get Nolder lynched.

 

But, and let's shoot straight here Turin, I'm not at all surprised you're coming to his aid. It's all or nothing at this point, right?

 

Props to you. You played a good game and stayed off my radar in the beginning. Your Dice case pinged me but you explained yourself well. I think your Thane vote yesterday exposed you though, and now coming to Zander's defense when he cleared blundered that fake claim certainly puts you.

 

Regardless of how the game ends, you did good.

[Andrej]

Autocorrect typos lol

 

I'm sleepy

 

Should say "coming to his defense after clearly blundered that fake claim certainly outs you"

[Andrej]

I also think your example is out of context. Play style differences aside between Lily and Zander, which is like polar opposites - was BG ever in any real trouble D2 of that game? Was he looking like he would be lynched then got away? Was Lily as present in the development of this situation as Zander had been D2?

 

All of this needs to be taken into account before I think that's a reliable comparison.

 

But again, your support for Zander is noted and I can respect that. Pack mentality and what not.

[Andrej]

Good night.

[Turin Turambar]

What I've seen so far from today

He's lying Hallia. I'm assuming those posts are supposed to be breadcrumbs but there's nothing clear in them.

He didn't track me to Yates N1, I peeked Leelou N1.

Last Night I used my 1x protect on Hallia. It was a coin toss between Lenlo and her. I figured Lenlo would be shooting me so scum would let him and they'd gun for Hallia since she's one of the consensus townies.

So you let the town vig (in effect) go without protection so you could protect what was essentially at that point an IC live? In what world does this make sense? Add that you are saying Zander is mafia. Do you think he shoots her? He defended her harder than you even I think in the Lenlo thing.

 

 

What was your N2 action Zander and explain why you picked me N1.

 

 

Peeked Leelou N2- She didnt do anything

 

Because you were a suss and like in NBC you did minor things that pinged me and you werent being your normal Boss Town!AJ self.

 

This is reasonable. If Z had a thought that Leelou was mafia with AJ and Nolder then she would be the most likely to submit IMO. 

 

Yeah yeah. You got nabbed D1 when you waffled on me, like I said you should've just sacked up and threw down your vote. I wasn't even suspicious of you until then.

As much suspicion as I was already under D1 I wouldn't have submitted the kill for this very reason.

You're full of it but obviously you knew you wouldn't get me lynched without some ballsy fake claim after how you crapped the bed D2.

You're outed.

Your awkward handling of Nolder outs him.

The last one is probably Turin.

GG

"I would never do that as mafia" is never a good defense. There may have been a valid reason for you to be the one to submit anyway.

 

I've said all I've got to say.

I didn't have the best game ever but my effort in solving was genuine. Zander is a fake and his obnoxiousness now just annoys me. Keep taking your moral high ground, bro. I get satisfaction knowing I pegged you correctly when you limped away from me on D1 after I called you out.

I will move my vote accordingly onto any of my three that I have spoken at length about.

Be smart and use your heads. Zander needed the claim because he knew the noose was coming sooner or later. Waiting for MyLo when he could've got me yesterDay should be all the reassurance you need.

And yet you keep repeating the same lines. How many times have you said you were walking away? 

This is the only question from you that has any real merit at this point. I have already pointed out that people will do things that might not make sense.

 

 

 

Well, I know I didn't go anywhere last night. I'd like to see what other people besides AJ and Zander say. 

 

For now though, I'm going to 

 

[v]Nol[/v]

 

 

Id like to hear your thoughts on this please Lee.

 

 

Neither of your roles that you have claimed are town specific. I don't really know much about the theme, except I have fabulous hair. Why did you pick me last night? Why not Nolder who was your second scum read? 

 

It looks like none of the roles have been alignment specific except Lenlo's and Hallia's. Nolder claimed BPV, Zander Tracker and AJ JOAT. I think it comes down to who you believe more if you don't look at the claims since none of them have been confirmed.

 

I do think that if anyone can either confirm or counter any of these claims that they should come forward now. 

 

 

Zander, why didn't you vote AJ right away on D2? 

 

 

I didnt want to out myself, I thought I could try and get caught up and see if I could get him lynched without needing to claim.  This is my first time as a Full PR that wasnt Innocent Child.  I was a x1 Vig in ME and shot and killed a Townie N1 and a x1 Doc in Rustlemania and was mislynched D1.  I was trying to be as subtle and careful as I could.

 

If this is true then it is somewhat reasonable.

 

Nolder, do you still have your vest? 

I wann know this also.

 

AJ, why protect Hallia over Lenlo? 

AJ, do you still doubt that Leelou is town?

 

P-edit: I had to redact some quotes because there were too many for the limit. if you really want to see them just click on the back arrow in the top corner, but I didn't want to spoil the whole thing cause I want it out there.

 

@Leelou - It was a toss up between the two. Both were town reads for pretty much everyone, both were claimed PRs and one was vetted. Considering Lenlo had been voting me and Hallia with me - I figured scum would try to shoot her and take Lenlo into MyLo to give them someone else to vote in their favor.

Except Hallia had already stated that her role had been used up making her essentially VT. Again why protect a VT(even a pretty much confirmed one) over the town vig? I am having lots of difficulty getting my head around this. 

 

 

 

AJ your actions don't make a lot of sense to me so I am having trouble seeing them coming from a town PoV. 

 

The ONLY valid question for Zander to answer is why didn't he push you more effectively on D2. I will try to look at his D2 again to see what I see.

[Nolder]

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Both of my two suspects are fighting about who's scum.

 

What I really want to know is who they think each other's team is.

I think AJ thinks I'm on a team with Zander so there's that but has Zander said who AJ is supposed to be on a team with?

I'm only seeing a connection to each of them.

Still think they're together and playing both sides of the game so it doesn't matter overmuch to me which is lynched but I don't want to get it wrong through negligence either.

 

Leelou do you think I'm scummiest between AJ, Zander, and me? Or are you still just trying to get me to participate more?

[Turin Turambar]

Hallia just think about it like this.

 

If you were town and you KNEW someone was scum because you caught them with your NA - would you let them passively slip away while others got ran up?

 

Wouldn't you try harder to convince others they were scum?

quoted for reference

 

The latter was my result.

 

And okay, but we're not talking about Lily. We're talking about Zander, the self professed towniest towny to ever town. There's no way he lets me off on D2 with a dead on catch like that. Zero chance. I was 3/6 at one point before my wagon dissolved, he could've stopped that dead in its tracks. Then again, with DL a few hours away with Thane and Nolder sitting at 3 he could've dropped that and let the late players read it and vote accordingly. Leelou was around. You showed up late. Nolder came in as well as Tina. Four votes, two of which were on the counter wagons suddenly swung my way.

 

But he didn't. He sat back, did his floaty routine and then was gone for the Night all the while I was working hard to get Nolder lynched.

 

But, and let's shoot straight here Turin, I'm not at all surprised you're coming to his aid. It's all or nothing at this point, right?

 

Props to you. You played a good game and stayed off my radar in the beginning. Your Dice case pinged me but you explained yourself well. I think your Thane vote yesterday exposed you though, and now coming to Zander's defense when he cleared blundered that fake claim certainly puts you.

 

Regardless of how the game ends, you did good.

So you only got TOWN. Why did you feel her read would be suspect based on a GF? You noted all the different roles that could mess with your result but settled on GF as the one that was most likely? How do you know that your result was even for Leelou? Did you ask the MODS then? if yes, what did they say? If not, why not? Again it just doesn't make sense. 

 

Read your post: You asked in a generic sense if a townie would do that. I gave a recent example that a townie had. Now you are moving the goalposts to say WWZD? He said that he didn't want to out himself. You don't believe him. Fair enough. You think he didn't do enough. More that he didn't do what you would have. Okay.

 

Remember when you were White Knighting Hallia from Lenlo? what did you say? that you were just pointing out where he was wrong. (FWIW I don't think he was wrong) I'm pointing out that you are basing a big part of your case here(that he didn't try hard enough) on something that I know has been done by a town player recently. So you assertion that a townie WOULDN'T do that is in fact FALSE.

 

It remains to be sen if I played good or not. To this point I must disagree. I  fear that once again I got distracted from my initial thoughts.  

 

I also think your example is out of context. Play style differences aside between Lily and Zander, which is like polar opposites - was BG ever in any real trouble D2 of that game? Was he looking like he would be lynched then got away? Was Lily as present in the development of this situation as Zander had been D2?

 

All of this needs to be taken into account before I think that's a reliable comparison.

 

But again, your support for Zander is noted and I can respect that. Pack mentality and what not.

AGAIN. Read what you wrote. A red view that wasn't pushed while someone else got ran up. She even hammered me. So yeah...

 

I'm not necessarily supporting Z here. I am saying that YOU look suspect outside of his claim and that I have to take all evidence into consideration. For all I know you both are mafia and this is some intricate way to get him vetted to win tomorrow. Or you.  

 

Good night.

See you soon ;)

[Turin Turambar]

Gone back to look at Zander at start of D2. Spoilered cause is pretty big. Sorry.

 

 

 

Zander/Lenlo/Leelou

That's your scum team.

 

lolololololol

 

 

Yates slammed down another large bowl of soup - far larger than herself (why is everybody dying a guy representing a girl?) - on the floor in front of her.  It had been a fun, festive day that ended with the of casually killing of a very distant relative.  How else could the warrior princess celebrate besides eating fourteen bowls of soup?

 

Yates laid her head on a rock and closed her eyes.  Eating is hard work!  Now it was time for a nap...

 

But sleep would not come easy, as the sound of feet stomping on the hut's soft floor distracted her.  She rolled over with a grunt.  "Kino sleep, chase dino tomorrow."

 

A boulder was dropped on Yates's head.  Bits of brain matter, as underdeveloped as her primitive brain may have been, and strands of tiny gold hair could be seen underneath the edges.  It was kind of fitting, really.  Their tribe used shiny rocks for currency, and in the end, aren't we all just being crushed by capitalism?

 

 

Yates has been killed!  He was - 

 

 

 

Ayla, Vanilla Town!

 

 

You are a primitive, Amazon-like woman with a major crush on our protagonist.  You also have the role of Ayla in a mafia game, who is a primitive, Amazon-like woman with a major crush on the game's protagonist.  Joining the party some million years in the past over a shiny red rock, you spend your free time beating up on reptiles and riding pterodactyls.  Some of us live how others dream, I guess...

 

 

 

It is now Day Two!  With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch!  Day Two ends at approximately 6 PM EST on Monday, February 29th.

 

 

RIP Yates. 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

I'll be back after I've dropped my wife off at work.

 

AJ why was Yates killed last night iyo?

 

 

Welp.  I'm pretty much vanilla now.

I wanna give spot reads -

Yates - town
 

 

 

 I feel so much better   I love to be informed.

 

 

I was informed townie, I knew Yates was town.  Useless now v.v

 

 

<3

 

Zander LOLs AJ's read list. the three on his list were Lenlo (confirmed CPR Doc) , Leelou (His peek from N1 that he didn't believe his result on) and Z.

 

Z asks AJ why he thought Yates got killed? this looks like a bit of a hint that he knows AJ killed him. 

 

 

Forgot to touch on Zander.

 

Frankly I just don't believe that Zander believes any of his suspects are actually scum. He is weak at making believable pushes on townies when he is scum and I am seeing that pretty strongly here. I'm gonna pull up his reads list later to show what I mean, but none of his suspects are legit imo. He limped into voting Dice while continuing to waffle on me after I called him out on his telegraphing. His other two scum reads are Nolder and Tina. Tina is like so obviously town in this game it's a little ridiculous. Every time she posts she is knocking it out of the park with the kinds of things she's pointing out and asking about.

 

I think his case for why Nolder is scum will be pretty telling, and I'm going to continue pushing for him to make one until he does because I think it'll make it more obvious what I'm talking about for everyone else.

Yet Tina was a wagon you could have gotten behind on D1? (turin side comment) 

 

Yates- Yates has been on point, involved and engaging, he's also been explaining things out and almost acting like an intermediary when theres been a disconnect between players.  That being said Yates is also 100% capable of fooling me but as of now, no one feels Townier then he does to me,

Hallia- Wasnt a fan of the Yates town read joke thing,  But Hallia has picked it up considerably after that.  Hallia like me doesnt always convey things clearly and also like me marches to the beat of her own drum. But Hallia's biggest town tell is volume and presence and I highly doubt Scum!Hallia cant replicate this imo.

Verb- He started off slow but has really picked it up.  And other then Hallia I think were seeing eye to eye on things which makes me feel better about him, 

Lenlo- I still cant believe im typing this.  But after his catch up hes feeling more involved and Lenlolike and fwiw this doesnt feel like Matirx or GnD to me,

 

Lee- Will need to look her over to form a better read.  I dont have a lot of experience with her.

Thane- Once I see his reasoning for reads Ill have a better idea of how to read him. 

Turin- Hasnt done nothing to ping me really so thats a good sign but ive also totally read him wrong the last couple games.  Will need more time to figure out.

 

Tina- Has been weird. but thats not totally uncommon for her. Ive liked her catchup posts more so theres that going for her.

AJ- Well heres the tough spot.  I felt he was defensive irt to me.  I havent liked some of his responses in regards to me.  And I feel like some of the stuff hes tried to sell us on like the constancy thing with Verb, hes backed down on.  My biggest thing is that Im not seeing Boss Town!AJ which Ive come to expect.

 

Nolder- His scum meta is to derp so to speak a bit.  I can kinda see where he came from irt to the Tina thing but still its hard to shake that feeling like hes well into his scum range.  I also think there may be ties between him and AJ.

Dice- Straight up doesnt feel like Town Dice to me.  He's been overly jokey.  No votes as of yet which is kind of uncommon for Town DIce imo.  No strong stances.  And really hes made a few solid game posts but there few and far between.

 

[v] Dice [/v]

 

Not my strongest scum read ever but my reads have also been pretty crappy lately.  Theres still some time left before DL to see what shakes out.  But atp prolly willing to lynch out of my bottom 4.

 

 

Wanna try that Tina comment again AJ?

 

Z refutes that He didn't have Tina as a mafia read. Above AJ says that Tina was obviously town. This next bit is from AJ's last reads list of D1 which was after Z's that is quoted above:

 

AJ on Tina - her content is getting better now that she's more involved and digging in. I think Tina lurks more as scum and that's not what I'm seeing here. Town lean. 

 

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

 

 

AJ why was Yates killed last night iyo?

 

Obvious answer is obvious.

 

Not let's see that scum case.

 

Is it? Why so cryptic? Why not just give an opinion if you have one.

 

 

Lenlo is scum for how he was handling you last night, Hallia. His focus on rudimentary stuff, semantics, etc. He was making arguments against the 'logic' of your posts without taking into consideration the way you operate - which I would say is more intuitively than logically.

 

The fact that you're basically a named townie doesn't help his cause either.

 

If you look back and see how Verb handled you, in comparison, I think you'll see a better contrast. I realize that Verb was also attacking you but he did it in a more constructive way as to where Lenlo comes across like he's just arguing with you to argue because you're easy to argue against. I think the conclusions you've made on those two because of the interactions is actually backwards. Verb is villagery, Lenlo is not.

 

Zander actually pointed this out, but doesn't acknowledge the scummy behavior. That's a problem.

 

 

I'm phone posting so not gonna do all the colors and what not.

Turin - Town lean. Not completely sold on this read yet but overall I'm not getting terrible vibes from Turin yet. His case on Dice is heavily subjective, but I know he would probably do the same as either alignment. He's made some pretty good points and seems to be evaluating everyone with a level head. The only real knock on him is that sometimes I feel he's playing a bit 'too clean' so to speak. Will need further info to lock this one up.

Leelou - Starting to scum lean. I know she's busy so I won't list her overall lack of thread presence as a reason. I kind of get the vibe she's focusing on the wrong things though as the game has picked up. Not really fan of her tunnel regarding Halla's spot reads. Seems like a somewhat minor detail to nitpick. Not really sure where she's at as far as scum reads go.

Nolder - Feel pretty good about Nolder being town. His mistake regarding Tina's post was pretty bad imo but I think his aggressiveness is a positive sign. I don't associate scum!Nolder with pushing his reads as hard as he has in this game.

Verbal - town lean. He's gotten considerably better now that he is involved. I wish he'd take a more 'leader' role because I find him easier to read that way but that's not really his play style. I can tell he's catching more of the undercurrent stuff so I think that's a good sign.

Yates - reads extremely genuine with his trepidation on my slot. I know exactly how he feels as I've been in the reverse a time or two dealing with him. One of my stronger town reads.

Tina - her content is getting better now that she's more involved and digging in. I think Tina lurks more as scum and that's not what I'm seeing here. Town lean.

Hallia - vastly improved with her latest content. Looked sketchy early on, but I think she may be getting targeted as LHF. Feel pretty good about town!Hally this round.

Lenlo - mixed. I get a feeling Lenlo has improved his play style across the board. I'll need to comb over his content later with some flips in mind before I'll feel confident making a call here.

Zander - sorta mixed here too. Wasn't getting particularly bad vibes from Zander early on but I'm still a little bothered with his handling of me, though I can understand this may just be bias on my part. Will be keeping on eye on him as things develop.

Thane - null. Thane's entry seemed okay and he was quick to give his opinions which I take as a positive but overall would like to see more to make a better call.

Dice - MIA. I can see the points people have brought up about him being different than usual. There have been snippets where I thought he sounded like his normal self but I agree that the lack of aggressiveness and absence troubles me. I'm afraid he might be a scapegoat lynch but if it comes down to me or him I won't gamble on being wrong.

 

 

 

Leno I think your current point is true but in a generic sorta way.

I understand where Hallia is coming from.

 

 

I'm not sure what your trouble is there, Lenlo.

 

 

'Could be' as in potential. I don't really see the issue with it.

 

How does his position correlate with yours? I'm not sure why you brought up the fact he's placed lower than you.

 

 

 

Because generally deep wolf means, someone who you think is heavy town but you acknowledge could be fooling you. Not a null read.

I brought up position simply because she didn't say he was null, but she put him in null position wise. She didn't actually give a real read on him imo.

 

I see what you're saying.

 

 

 

Ftr I agree with Zander regarding Lenlo and his method of questioning Hallia. Was gonna wait for Day to bring this up but yeah, I don't like it.

 

 

 

 

AJ besides agreeing with me, show me where you call Lenlo out irt to Hallia for being scummy please?

 

So yours and Verbs calling it out as ok but Im scummy for not calling it scummy?

 

Interesting....

 

Read the inbedded spoiler for some insight into the Lenlo/Hallia thing and how both AJ and Z treated them. No comment from me on it now.

 

 

Sure Zander.

 

You have her as orange, which would indicate that you have her as a suspect, even if a light one.

 

Maybe you can explain that one more too.

 

Seems like your trying to stretch things out AJ to make things work.  Same thing youre doing with me being scummy for the Lenlo/Hallia situation for not calling him scummy (which is even funnier considering you didnt either).

 

I didnt like Tina's early game it was weird to me but like I said its not uncommon.  I dont read Tina all that well.  But I admitted also in my reads list she was improving with more recent posts.

 

So there yet another part of your "case" against me that is not accurate....hey wait didnt you call Nolder out for doing the exact same thing?

 

It looks like AJ is trying to smear Zander here for something that he did himself. Both had her sketch early and then their read of her improved as she posted more.

 

 

Still waiting for you to go make that case for why Nolder is scum.

 

I challenged Lenlo several times in that discussion, I think my intent was pretty obvious.

You never directly challenged me. The "challenges" were also interspersed with agreements.

 

There was a lot of back and forth between Zander and AJ during the beginning of Day 2. Eventually (but after less than 1 hour of his first post) Zander votes AJ. I can see how this could be an attempt to make a more natural progression to allow him to vote AJ and try to lynch him without giving up his role and info. 

 

 

You're right, I stated many times that I had reservations voting Dice.

 

But it was him or me, and my alignment is 100% as to where his wasn't.

 

Speaking on the topic of making suspects work, I am not going to let you get out of explaining your scum read on Nolder.

 

 

I did in my reads list already didnt I?

 

I dont care what you "think" youre gonna make me do.  Youre case on me is garbage, coupled with my reservations with you D1

 

[v] AJ [/v]

 

Will switch to Nolder if need be.

 

Baring something crazy, only places my vote goes today.

 

I think that the question about Why AJ thought Yates was killed makes a ton of sense if Zander had a track of AJ going to see Yates.  

 

 

 

 

Right now leaning more to believing Zander. It wasn't that long from when he started posting until when he voted to make it weird. Add in the pointed question and AJ not really answering by giving a slippery reply (IMO) when it appears he had an opinion looks better for Zander.