[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Zander?]

 

I'll admit to being heavily swayed by Nyn's opinions, 

 

It's the boobs.

 

 

Nyn's Boobs GOAT CAH answer imo.

[Zander?]

At a kids birthday party. Won't have much time till later

 

 

Nothing to say?

[Turin Turambar]

Lol @Z. Silly phone and fat thumbs.

 

You are either very wrong and pocketed by Allana or mafia yourself. I know.I'm town and if it takes my lynch to expose the mafia, so be It. I expect a full reason for every vote.placed on me.

 

@Lily, Sooh did explain she was following her town reads as they (Alanna and Nyn) were more certain that Nol was mad than she was regarding Z. The post even says leap of faith. As in she believed in them so lent her vote there.

 

I would say it was only bad in that it didn't account for the hybrid vote system, but she apparently wasn't the only to not think about that. Or at least claim not yo bother with it.

 

@BFG. My Sooh ISO is completed. She(I) is(am) town. FWIW I only looked at the new info hallia sent me.

[bgrishinko]

No time really right now. My views stand as I said earlier, Thane and Laina. When I have some time I'll take a look at Turin 1.0 and Nolder for any clues on others.

[Pralaya]

 

IIRC Pral didn't have a train, so moving to him instead of Nolder didn't make much sense. I didn't like the fact that she didn't go back to Zander (her top scum read) when he had pressure, though.

 

I disagree. It would have made all the sense of the world to me. This is a hybrid hammer game. Not a majority game. She didn't have to do anything but vote for who she thinks is scum. Besides, it's not like it was close to deadline... so, who cares if Pral didn't have any votes at the time? She had exactly two scum reads at the time. Zander and Pral. Zander eventually got votes and she didn't move there.... and she made no effort to start a train on her second suspect, Pral.

 

Which is one of the reasons I am going easy on Sooh. She could have as well voted me and I don't think I would have been a difficult target. It doesn't absolve her but moves her slightly up.

[Eldrick4221]

Pointing out in case you didn't notice, Turin, that your vote tag is broken.

[Nynaeve]

Which is one of the reasons I am going easy on Sooh. She could have as well voted me and I don't think I would have been a difficult target. It doesn't absolve her but moves her slightly up.

 

But why? TownSooh would have gone for either you or Zander, because that's what her read list indicated. She backed off Zander cause she was getting negative attention, that's as clear as day. She said it was because no one was listening to her and he wasn't gonna be the lynch that day or ever so she was looking elsewhere... but that's false because a train of him was building later on and she never went back there. Why? That reads to me as someone who's worried that the negative attention would resurface if she did. And why not lean on you and figure out your slot if she was suspicious? She never did with the deadline still half a day or more away. I just don't get her vote on Nolder if she didn't find him scummy... and according to her very own read list? she didn't. 

[Nynaeve]

@BFG, thoughts?

[Pralaya]

Either way I'm never going to trust this slot and I think there's a very good chance it's gonna flip scum. Not to mention that I feel like there might be some scum equity with Pral.... and possibly BG. So Sooh's flip is gonna be really telling if she's scum. If she's town? I'm gonna have reassess considerably. But I doubt that's gonna happen.

LOL, you are lumping me with sooh now. That makes your statement that I quoted in my previous post mean completely different. If you are trying to base her scum with the condition that I am also scum, you are on a completely wrong track

[Eldrick4221]

 

Which is one of the reasons I am going easy on Sooh. She could have as well voted me and I don't think I would have been a difficult target. It doesn't absolve her but moves her slightly up.

But why? TownSooh would have gone for either you or Zander, because that's what her read list indicated. She backed off Zander cause she was getting negative attention, that's as clear as day. She said it was because no one was listening to her and he wasn't gonna be the lynch that day or ever so she was looking elsewhere... but that's false because a train of him was building later on and she never went back there. Why? That reads to me as someone who's worried that the negative attention would resurface if she did. And why not lean on you and figure out your slot if she was suspicious? She never did with the deadline still half a day or more away. I just don't get her vote on Nolder if she didn't find him scummy... and according to her very own read list? she didn't.

This is worth resolving. If sooh...I mean turin flips scum, then we probably have scum in Pral too.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Turin [/v]

[Nynaeve]

 

Either way I'm never going to trust this slot and I think there's a very good chance it's gonna flip scum. Not to mention that I feel like there might be some scum equity with Pral.... and possibly BG. So Sooh's flip is gonna be really telling if she's scum. If she's town? I'm gonna have reassess considerably. But I doubt that's gonna happen.

LOL, you are lumping me with sooh now. That makes your statement that I quoted in my previous post mean completely different. If you are trying to base her scum with the condition that I am also scum, you are on a completely wrong track

 

 

I just find it somewhat alarming that you both have each other on your scum pile on D1 and then shy away from it in unison. In your case it's not as bad because you did vote her on D1. But I just find it odd.

[Pralaya]

 

Which is one of the reasons I am going easy on Sooh. She could have as well voted me and I don't think I would have been a difficult target. It doesn't absolve her but moves her slightly up.

 

But why? TownSooh would have gone for either you or Zander, because that's what her read list indicated. She backed off Zander cause she was getting negative attention, that's as clear as day. She said it was because no one was listening to her and he wasn't gonna be the lynch that day or ever so she was looking elsewhere... but that's false because a train of him was building later on and she never went back there. Why? That reads to me as someone who's worried that the negative attention would resurface if she did. And why not lean on you and figure out your slot if she was suspicious? She never did with the deadline still half a day or more away. I just don't get her vote on Nolder if she didn't find him scummy... and according to her very own read list? she didn't.

 

Think about it this way. If it was scum!sooh and she was worried about negative attention, why would she go and vote nolder whose train was already building and she would get back the negative attention anyway after his flip. Especially since he was not in her scum list at that point in the game. That situation would only work if sooh/zander was w/w and she was trying to distance and then backed off later.

[Eldrick4221]

[unvote]

 

Still willing to vote there. Want to slow the train down and hear from other people.

[alannalynn]

Consider my vote promised on Turin.

 

Funny lily moved me up lolol

 

[V]thane [/v] for funsies

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Turin(2): Zander, Nynaeve

bgrishinko(1): Lily

alannalynn(1): Turin

Thane(1): alannalynn

 

Not Voting: BFG, bgrishinko, Pralaya, Thane, Eldrick

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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[Pralaya]

I just find it somewhat alarming that you both have each other on your scum pile on D1 and then shy away from it in unison. In your case it's not as bad because you did vote her on D1. But I just find it odd.

I don't want to bring in wifom to tell how stupid of a move that is if we were both scum, but it has to be said :)

[Nynaeve]

Think about it this way. If it was scum!sooh and she was worried about negative attention, why would she go and vote nolder whose train was already building and she would get back the negative attention anyway after his flip. Especially since he was not in her scum list at that point in the game. That situation would only work if sooh/zander was w/w and she was trying to distance and then backed off later.

 

It's a matter of culpability. She did vote Nolder, but she maintained that her reason was sheeping her town reads. She didn't say she agreed with the case that was presented and had a change of hearts. So, who's gonna get negative attention after a town flip? The players that were actively driving the lynch or someone who just took a leap of faith and followed her town reads? Could she have stayed off Nolder's train completely? Sure. But as scum? she is still motivated by the need to drive mislynches. It didn't work with Zander. And she didn't eve try with you, for whatever reason.... instead she went with the player that the attention was shifting to. I'm sure you can see how that is not a good look.

 

I don't believe for a second that Sooh and Zander are teammates. To the most part because I'm pretty confident that Zander is town and I'm pretty much never lynching him this game. And also because you can simply tell by the way they interacted that they're not teammates.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Just because no one agreed doesn't mean he wasn't trying to garner a future Sooh vote by switching.

So let me get this straight. ScumZander would expect to garner support on a future Sooh lynch by helping town lynch a townie?

 

 

lol okay.

why Not? He has easy cover. If he's mafia(which I think is likely) to him it is one town or another. There is enough general support for both a Nolder lynch and a Sooh(now Turin) lynch that he can easily say what he is saying so far today. He suspected Nolder but went with Alanna onto Nolder D1. Now he can feel free to take the lead and go #FULLZANDER on his other town lynch candidate, Sooh(Turin). He even already broke out the Sooh may replace out as mafia. Which is both false in this case and underhanded IMO.

 

Trying to deny he would do it is ludicrous.

[alannalynn]

That's a lot of words, is there cliff notes

[Nynaeve]

 

I just find it somewhat alarming that you both have each other on your scum pile on D1 and then shy away from it in unison. In your case it's not as bad because you did vote her on D1. But I just find it odd.

I don't want to bring in wifom to tell how stupid of a move that is if we were both scum, but it has to be said :)

 

 

I'm not sure what's stupid about it. That's how distancing works. Suspecting without following through. 

 

 

I'm not entirely sold on you, ftr. So you can still change my mind if you start towning. Unlike Nolder, I think you're a huge contribute as a townie. So, prove it.

[Pralaya]

 

Think about it this way. If it was scum!sooh and she was worried about negative attention, why would she go and vote nolder whose train was already building and she would get back the negative attention anyway after his flip. Especially since he was not in her scum list at that point in the game. That situation would only work if sooh/zander was w/w and she was trying to distance and then backed off later.

 

It's a matter of culpability. She did vote Nolder, but she maintained that her reason was sheeping her town reads. She didn't say she agreed with the case that was presented and had a change of hearts. So, who's gonna get negative attention after a town flip? The players that were actively driving the lynch or someone who just took a leap of faith and followed her town reads? Could she have stayed off Nolder's train completely? Sure. But as scum? she is still motivated by the need to drive mislynches. It didn't work with Zander. And she didn't eve try with you, for whatever reason.... instead she went with the player that the attention was shifting to. I'm sure you can see how that is not a good look.

 

Who is gonna get negative attention? Sooh, as we can clearly see. It was not that desperate a situation to drive the mislynch on Nolder because it was already happening.

 

 

I don't believe for a second that Sooh and Zander are teammates. To the most part because I'm pretty confident that Zander is town and I'm pretty much never lynching him this game. And also because you can simply tell by the way they interacted that they're not teammates.

Exactly. Which is why I said that Sooh might not be scum because I have a bigger scum read on Zander after the Nolder flip.

[Pralaya]

 

 

I just find it somewhat alarming that you both have each other on your scum pile on D1 and then shy away from it in unison. In your case it's not as bad because you did vote her on D1. But I just find it odd.

I don't want to bring in wifom to tell how stupid of a move that is if we were both scum, but it has to be said :)

 

 

I'm not sure what's stupid about it. That's how distancing works. Suspecting without following through. 

 

 

I'm not entirely sold on you, ftr. So you can still change my mind if you start towning. Unlike Nolder, I think you're a huge contribute as a townie. So, prove it.

 

Distancing is a subtle maneuver. Not going on a complete u-turn and make it obvious. But anyway, this is wifom. No point talking about it now.

[Pralaya]

Anyway, [v]Zander[/v]

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Where I'm at at this point.

 

Lily – most townie in all the land

Nyn – Liking her content so far. My strongest town read.

Laine – Moving her up. Acting more townie than before

BFG – Town read

Zander – Acting more townie

Thane –Null read for now. Want to see more.

Pral – He’s always hard to read. Null pile

Eldrick – Seems like normal Eldrick to me so far. Which doesn’t really mean anything. Still null.

Sooh/Turin – My second choice for scum.

BGrishinko – seems to be not wanting to draw attention to himself. A decent amount of posting, not very much content. My first choice for scum.

 

 

I know I completely switched my thinking on Alanna and Zander. I'll admit to being heavily swayed by Nyn's opinions, but Alanna is quite persuasive as well. I just don't see scum trying that hard to convince me of their townieness through self meta of all things. Even after being told by two people that it was ineffective at best and scummy at worst, she didn't stop it, like I would expect scum to.

First of all, that font hurt my head lol

 

Second, how do you still not have a read on anything I did?

 

 

I guess I've been focused elsewhere.

 

 

I'll admit to being heavily swayed by Nyn's opinions, 

 

It's the boobs.

 

Of course it is. 

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Just because no one agreed doesn't mean he wasn't trying to garner a future Sooh vote by switching.

So let me get this straight. ScumZander would expect to garner support on a future Sooh lynch by helping town lynch a townie?

 

 

lol okay.

why Not? He has easy cover. If he's mafia(which I think is likely) to him it is one town or another. There is enough general support for both a Nolder lynch and a Sooh(now Turin) lynch that he can easily say what he is saying so far today. He suspected Nolder but went with Alanna onto Nolder D1. Now he can feel free to take the lead and go #FULLZANDER on his other town lynch candidate, Sooh(Turin). He even already broke out the Sooh may replace out as mafia. Which is both false in this case and underhanded IMO.

 

Trying to deny he would do it is ludicrous.

 

 

Nolder was already at majority. Guess who put him at majority?