[Harry Potter Week] Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[Clovdyx]

As for the vote, I don't know how to make heads or tails of it. It was unnecessary for mafia to do, and it was unnecessary for town.

 

Why didn't you just stay off wagon entirely?

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Clov our thoughts are syncing right now I think.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Hallia (2): Razen, RTE

Rhea (2): Laine, Hallia

 

Not voting (5): Clov, Taborline, Rhea, Sooh, Kronos

 

Deadline for Day 3 is Monday, August 3rd at 9:00 AM MST/12 noon EDT:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150803T09&p0=197&msg=Day+Three+Deadline&font=cursive&csz=1

[Hallia]

@Clov - Because I wanted to take a definite stand.  Yes, I could've stayed off of it, but I didn't want to.

 

Continuing on, up to page 30.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wondering if Tabor is too scummy to be mafia, but the last time I thought that Eldrick flipped mafia she needs to explain what she meant originally.

This makes me doubtful that Tab was her peek.

 

[unvote]
 
I don't know what to do.

Be strong, confident Town!Laine

please?

 

And I'm back to feeling like it could've been Laine.

First ISO if I have time.

fwiw I don't think Tabor's the way to go today(!) First post when she said 'special roles' she used VT separately, so it's possible that she did have goons on her mind as well as the cop. I have issues with the 'that too' part but meh. Her vote analysis seemed reasonable, and the hedging at the end didn't seem overly scummily motivated imo, the 'effed up' sounded genuine (bearing in mind I am genuinely BAD at reading peoples intentions mumbles something about Laine ATEing Zander)

And this makes me feel like it could have been Tab she viewed.  

RTE ISO:

wasn't present much during N0, so can't compare tone

(+) null on Cairos 'reaction' this is close to how I feel about it
(+) Laine/Sooh town, Clov/Dice nothing unusual I like easily given reads (- although there's actually only 2 reads there, the Clov/Dice comment is a bit nullish)
+ Like the humour
(+) Dice 'strongest' mafia lean amongst the high posters
+/- Tabor's blunder is noob, will look at people jumping on
- comments on Dice's asking him a question when he didn't... But IGNORES everything else that I said.
+ I like his explanation on his position on Tabor why is that analysis bad?
+/- Votes Rhea for playing safe
+/- Top 3 suspects are Rhea/Lessa/Dice thinks Lessa's vote was a mafia vote on an easy train.
+ Voting Rhea isn't great for avoiding lynch, but strongest hunch right now. Will move to Lessa if she becomes a competing train.
+/- Don't need to use meta to see Dice was building up to a Tabor vote Fair point - the meta isn't that he was building up to a vote, more the way he was building up to a vote reminded me more of Mafia!Dice than Town!Dice
+/- further defence of Tabor
- top posters comment was to start conversation meh, I think in his last game as mafia the entire team was in the bottom posters, so this looks badish
+ suspicious of people who pop in and don't back stuff up (Rhea) or people who vote without much reason behind it (WBK). Hard to single out the latter on Day 1 Why WBK, he wasn't in RTE's list
+/- burned with noob passes
+/- 'No lynch' town or mafia Dice not sure it's alignment indicative either way, tone to me could be town
+ explanation of Dice read - interactions with Clov meh that bit was sort of neutral to me, but I'd played that game so knew what he was referring to with the initial post. I didn't get what Clov was talking about either and Tabor fiasco and no lynch vote lol, I think you know my opinion here

RTE sounds relaxed on thread but has been playing long enough for this to be a null tell. I remember him fooling me as mafia, despite being seemingly obvious to everyone else playing and having good instincts as town
 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Taborline (2): Laine, Lessa
RTE (3): Clov, Kronos, Hallia
Lessa (1): Razen

Not Voting (7): Taborline, BFG, RTE, Rhea, Sooh, Cairos, Dice

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST:
http://www.timeandda...t=cursive&csz=1

8-1/2 HOURS UNTIL DEADLINE

This was the VC just before his vote and I kinda like that it was on Rhea as opposed to Lessa, although I have both Rhea and Lessa as null right now (need to pay more attention). There is an issue with follow up as noted below.

I'm assuming that the reason he said he'd switch to Lessa and not Dice is because Dice had no votes at the time?

I don't particularly like that he ignored my case on Dice (I don't particularly like being ignored) but it's not a big deal.

In fact his read on Dice looks a little odd; starts off as nothing unusual from the Clov/Dice early interaction, but also thinks he looks bad from it? I can sort of see a progression here and think key is in context, but would like further explanation?

The only thing that stands out is the initial defence of Tabor. It seemed quite abrupt. I also don't like that he hasn't seemingly followed this up; He doesn't like Lessa (because of the vote on Tabor) he's voting Rhea because she took 'note' of his defence of Tabor but didn't vote.

Doesn't seem concerned by his impending lynch, that's probably townie of him?


Quick ISO from ME2 - Mafia!RTE in that game was a LOT fluffier at the start of thread (could just be that he missed it this game /shrug). Interestingly made a similar post about noob passes and being burned. Got caught up in a tristing words/semantics argument with Zander that lead to his lynch. Had a decisive tone when voting Zander and casing. Slipped by calling Zander vig and wanting to lynch him anyway defended himself, but didn't seem overtly concerned by the impending lynch there either.

(Was fluffy in Cliche as well, but nature of the game makes meta unusable from it)

Quick ISO from Pokemon - Town!RTE started straight in with game content, sounded annoyed when people misread him...


At the moment I want to say town due to the level of content BUT I don't think he's having fun the way he was in Pokemon and I don't see the same confidence that people should be reading him town, or frustration that they're not (I'd expect some response to Hallia at the least here), so it's not a confident read.

So that was useful At the moment I still want my vote on Dice, but I'm happy to hear what other people have to say on RTE

 

I don't feel that RTE was a peek for N0 due to this post.

Clov - I 'liked' his early vote as a 'kickstarter' CairOs was probably the perfect choice, I don't think they know each other outside of this, so couldn't be confused as a vote, Cairos was posting at the time so was around to react straight away... I don't understand his 'blown away'(?) comment. At the moment I'm torn between liking his prodding of lots of people, but not really agreeing with any of them, problem being that the game has been pretty quiet. I sort of feel that he's being cautious and I don't feel confident calling him town yet although I don't want to call him mafia either.


Laine is pinging me a fair bit, but mostly all in good ways. I think mafia!Laine is a bit more self conscious so pings less, she jumped in as soon as Clov opened the door which is different to her last game as mafia. Still need more time to be sure. Razen's made a good point about her vote, but I still feel 'good'? about our quote war.


Cairos - disagree with the majority I liked his reaction to Clov's vote and Laines prods, was townie imo. Hope he has chance to get into it tomorrow


RTE is a lot more content driven then his recent mafia games and more reserved (less frustrated) than his recent town games. Really hard to call this but I want to say town. I don't see the lynch swinging elsewhere at this point, so if he flips town I'll be looking at his bottom 3 more closely, I think his instincts are good enough for one or more to be mafia.


Tabor - really don't like the 'that too' but her posts since have seemed reasonable.


Dice is my strongest bet for mafia at the moment, already covered. Dice will become more obvious with time. If he ever starts to post without impact lynch him immediately (he's not at that stage yet)


Razen - Not sure I covered this; thing I was asking about was Razens post when he seemed to be agreeing with Clov that Cairos reaction was bad and Dice that it was null. Could be flu medicine, posts since have made sense. Am really, really liking the fluidity of his reads (case in point last post on Laine).

Rhea - drew initial interest because she was lurking during early game play, posted fluff during the initial Cairos debate, posts since have been relaxed but I haven't payed enough attention to content.


I feel like I should have reads on Hallia and Sooh, but I don't really yet (sorry)


Mostly null on everyone else atm.

And up to here it could be a town peek on Laine, Clov, Tab or even a scum peek on Dice.

 

[Rhea]

I'm here. Sorry I didn't get back yesterday, it turned out to not be such a good day for me. My psych instructor is not letting me have any more time to finish my paper that is due today even with my doctor's note. I'm really kinds pissed about that right now. So...I'm trying to get that done since it's due tonight at midnight. In the meantime I'm having a hard time trying to concentrate as I keep thinking about this game! Oh mafia...what you do to me!

 

In any case, I wanted to put a few things in here before I go back to my paper. 

 

 

 

I can almost feel BFG screaming at us from the dead thread about her peeks.

 

Anyways, I'm going to a party, I have to be home at midnight est anyways, so I should be bothering y'all again then.

 

But I dont think you are listening. 

 

Kronos... I said in that post that if Lessa flipped mafia that Tab couldn't be mafia. Since Lessa flipped town, I'm still unsure about Taborline. I liked her interaction with BFG d2 and if ANYONE was her peek, I think it would be Tab, but since there's literally no solid evidence that Tabor was the peek, I'm sticking by my mafia read of Taborline. I don't see where that is backpedaling? lol

 

I don't think this makes sense.

 

@Clov: I do have RTE as a town read now, but where did I say that I'm not still scum reading Taborline? I think her interactions d2 were better, but I think that on d1 was a scum slip, I also believe Dice was not going to vote her d1. From mafia!Dice, that is suspicious to me if she's town, because I was ready to push that lynch. Having Rhea/Hallia in my POE is nothing more than me reevaluating. 

 

And yet you are focusing on me and Hallia as you PoE today? 

 

 

 

 

 

Kronos... I said in that post that if Lessa flipped mafia that Tab couldn't be mafia. Since Lessa flipped town, I'm still unsure about Taborline. I liked her interaction with BFG d2 and if ANYONE was her peek, I think it would be Tab, but since there's literally no solid evidence that Tabor was the peek, I'm sticking by my mafia read of Taborline. I don't see where that is backpedaling? lol

I don't get it...

 

Someone WAS her peek. Actually two someones. If you think that Taboo most certainly is a peek then you should probably go by that in my opinion. 

 

 

I would wonder why scum would kill BFG if they didn't have an inkling she was the Seer, which lead me to believe there were hints in her posts. She wasn't pushing too hard on too many people (that I recall), so to get her so soon made me wonder if they're seeing something.

 

 

I like this interaction. I agree with Sooh, that BFG did have two peeks and she did give that info to us. 

[Rhea]

I Have no idea what he was responding to there. lol

 

Ugh, I need to use words better

 

Re Dice; so far his posting feels like he's building up to a vote on Tabor which reminds me of how he acted in ME2.

Meh not really feeling this one BFG, I don't see him building up to a vote, but trying to get clear information.

 

My top three scum suspects at the moment are Rhea, Lessa, and Dice FWIW. While I understand when Clov said voting Taborline wouldn't give Lessa credit, I think it was a lazy scum vote on what she thought was an easy train. She says she didn't see the earlier vote but I think regardless she thought it was a safe time to vote and that's why she did so easily.

Reminder to look back at this.

 

Also, why Dice? I can see Rhea for popping in and out and for the post you quoted of Clov's, and Lessa for what is red, but Dice? I'm getting a town Dice this game

 

Well...now we know Dice was Mafia and Lessa was town.

 

Why was it that you were getting a town read on Dice? 

 

 

 

 

Good luck on the exam, Cairos!

 

Vote: Taborline

Razen's was a throw away vote, pretty much nothing here, in the below spoiler, he states why he voted her (reactions) and left it sitting there for her rolefishing (see below)

 

 

 

 

@ Kronos - I picked Taborline because I wanted to see a reaction.  I hadn't seen anything off putting from the way she handled it.  When I woke up this morning though and took an initial read through what's happened since I fell asleep (and thankfully I'm not sick anymore!), I think it's interesting to consider that she's the first to question the reasons that Sooh might have taken over for Jagen.  There could be a number of reasons for the switch, not all of which are related to the game.  Also don't like that she kind of went rolefishing there too in putting out that thought - the part in green.

 

I'm also not liking the part Laine tacked on.  Seems like an easy way to throw suspicion on Sooh for something she had no control over.  Even if it's just a theory adding to what Taborline had said earlier.

 

 

Good morning!

 

And welcome, Sooh! I hate balloons too, they're the spawn of the Devil.

 

Why did Jagen leave us? Normally I would wonder if it's not because they had a special role, and therefore Sooh has it too, otherwise why quit so quickly? If you're vanilla town, you could just ride it out, check in from time to time, but if you needed to be active then you might throw in the towel right away knowing it's not fair to whichever team you're on.

Sometimes being scum in your first game is intimidating

 

 

Agree on the role-fishing.

 

The reason I mentioned subbing out scum is because Taborline DIDN'T mention it. Why go straight to PR and not to scum? Why would having a PR be any more/less intimidating than rolling scum?

 

[unvote][v]Taborline[/v]

My vote

 

For some reason my multiquote and quote buttons aren't working

Alanna will forever be AJ to me, mostly because when I started here that was her  nickname.

 

As for the interaction between BFG and AJ, it feels like a normal reaction from  2 townies nitpicking one another but I do think the quoting may have gotten out of hand a bit.

 

And though it's been stated already, Jagen could have had to drop out for family or medical reasons and it not have to do with anything game related. The fact Taborline immediately went for thinking it was possibly because of Jagen's role is scummy to me. Then by saying that if the role requires being active and that (Sooh) should throw in the towel now as it would be unfair to either team she's on. That adds to the feeling of scummy and it sounds like you're trying to get votes on someone who you see as a rival if you are scum.

 

So that being said,

 

Vote Taborline

Lessa's. And it really doesn't look like that bad of a vote. Considering Razen's came before any of this happened and I started applying pressure, I'm not sure I'm seeing the same problem with her vote here that some of you are.

 

You know who (BFG):

 

 

BFG how can it be either absurdly pro town or pro mafia? haha I feel like those are two extremes

Pro town because you try to draw attention away from the potential PR hunt, by focusing on the mafia side of it. Pro mafia because you're extending a conversation that could get 'dangerous'. Doubt you'd do something that risky as mafia though, so leaning town (bolstered from yesterday)

I just now saw this. You don't think I would... ? *disappointed* You're probably right.. I suck at mafia 

 

 

I haven't played with you before but I'm thinking you would. 

 

 

 

Top town for me: Dice, Clov, BFG

Bottom three.... Tab, RTE, Rhea?

 

Everyone else is  mixture of null/townish

 

From what I got off BFGs posts to what two people she had town reads on, Tab and RTE should be pretty much in the clear now. You can ISO me today, that is fine. I'm clean, confused a lot, but clean. 

 

 

 

What did you ebwop there BFG? haha I didn't see a difference...

 

 

 

 

The mafia in top posters comment was for the sake of getting conversation going. I do stand by it though. Doubt the whole mafia team is among the non-posters, athough wouldn't be surprised if two are this early on.

Yeah, getting into it as mafia can be both difficult and easy, depending on the direction of the game.

 

We also have a few new/not frequent players here, so for them I would think it's even more difficult to get into the game as mafia.

 

especially since they have no day chat :)

*forgot about this, I need to take that into account when I read back through d1

 

Did you really? I'm starting to wonder.

[Razen]

My business is over thank Jeebus.

 

With the Seer death, I really think we should all do a reread and try to deduce peeks, I'm going through right now.

 

In the meantime, I'm going to go with what I think we should've done yesterday and

 

Vote: Rhea

 

Blue: Deducing peeks is pointless.  Nobody was cleared by her and she didn't post what she'd found out.  I don't see the point in wasting energy trying to figure out who those peeks are when we will never know exactly who they were until the end of the game.  Not to mention the fact that people could come up with a different list of possible peeks.  It's already happened.

 

Green: So you're saying you would rather have voted Rhea than resolve what happened with Lessa yesterday?  You voted Lessa anyway - and your vote was not necessary either, it was clear that she was getting lynched.  I'm assuming that since you wanted to vote Rhea yesterday that she's your #1 scum read.  And yet you didn't vote there.

[Rhea]

 

 

Catching up, through page 20

 

 

thought it was kinda null really. Clovs vote didnt have anything that was making it obvious that it was a joke so asking is fair enuff imo. especially coming from someone that is basically a noob

Meh. I'll play nice for now then.

 

This immediate backing down I don't like to see from Laine.  Even for a newer player, or someone she doesn't really know, I have not seen a Laine go easy on someone.

 

And you've played with me Laine. We were in Star Wars for all of 24 hours together or something. I tried to lynch you over the godfather and got wrecked at night :p

Oh dang you're right. Yeah you died real quick. Not enough of a sample to know you in a game though

 

Oh I checked in and reacted alright!

Although, saying it was a "reaction test" is a little much

Test sounds so official! More of a nudge, and I liked your response, so I moved on

 

Fair enough, I will accept this.

Alright - I'm here - sorry - this week is kinda rough for me with the job change - I'll do my best to keep up.

 

I get the feeling of town going after town on most of the active people right now - just a hunch mostly.

 Just have fun Souvra.

 

 

*snip*

 

That being said, based on numbers if I had to guess I would say at most only one of the active posters is scum. Hope this game sorta wakes up soon (although nice not to have missed much).

 

Ewwwwwwwwwwww.  I don't like this.

 

 

Through 22

 

*snip*

aaand then the game got serious...

 

Joke votes are joke votes. I never know how to gauge those reactions anyway, unless they are blatantly freaked out. I find it more interesting how much people are willing to read into those reactions. Reaching for straws isn't all that great, but in the beginning that's all we have. 

 

RTE comes in, seemingly like me, and comments little on the current game and more on the chitchat that has been going on. I guess it's just early thread stuff. He may not have found much to comment on. Better posts later though. Good content wise in terms of getting good reads. 

 

Laine and BFG reads as town vs. town to me. 

 

Taborline hasn't had much game related to bring up yet, but I hope that'll change. At least if she's town. If not, carry on

 

Clov seems to be reaching for nitpicky things to bring up. Not entirely sure what that means in terms of his alignment, but I'm probably going to need a little while to read him properly.

 

Not commenting on Dice yet, because I don't know what to think. I see RTE is finding his interactions to be possibly scummy, but I'm not really there. 

 

The rest I have no opinion on yet. 

 

I rather like your reads, and can kinda see where they're coming from.

 

 

 

@ Kronos - I picked Taborline because I wanted to see a reaction.  I hadn't seen anything off putting from the way she handled it.  When I woke up this morning though and took an initial read through what's happened since I fell asleep (and thankfully I'm not sick anymore!), I think it's interesting to consider that she's the first to question the reasons that Sooh might have taken over for Jagen.  There could be a number of reasons for the switch, not all of which are related to the game.  Also don't like that she kind of went rolefishing there too in putting out that thought - the part in green.

 

I'm also not liking the part Laine tacked on.  Seems like an easy way to throw suspicion on Sooh for something she had no control over.  Even if it's just a theory adding to what Taborline had said earlier.

 

 

Good morning!

 

And welcome, Sooh! I hate balloons too, they're the spawn of the Devil.

 

Why did Jagen leave us? Normally I would wonder if it's not because they had a special role, and therefore Sooh has it too, otherwise why quit so quickly? If you're vanilla town, you could just ride it out, check in from time to time, but if you needed to be active then you might throw in the towel right away knowing it's not fair to whichever team you're on.

Sometimes being scum in your first game is intimidating

 

Agree on the role-fishing.

 

The reason I mentioned subbing out scum is because Taborline DIDN'T mention it. Why go straight to PR and not to scum? Why would having a PR be any more/less intimidating than rolling scum?

 

[unvote][v]Taborline[/v]

 

I did not catch this, but I'm glad you did, and I like et.

I'm totes gonna make everything a huge deal. I'm going to overreact to everything, BFG is going to nitpick, Sooh is going to be helpful, and Clov is gonna be Clov. At some point in the game Razen and/or Dice will try to lynch me after Clov creates a case on me out of nothing and I judge him harshly.

Oh wait, Hallia's in this game? If Hallia gets too friendly, she's probably scum.

Right now her joke:serious ratio is good.

I can't help that I love jokes XD

I like this except the part about Clov being Clov, didn't you say that you didn't really know how he played?

I think Tambourline's blunder is a noob one, and one very indicative of her noobness at mafia and nothing else. I will be looking closely at people who take the opportunity to build a train on her based on it. 

I'm not so sure.  I'll be looking at YOU closely.

 

 

 

 

H'ok.

 

I think Tambourline's blunder is a noob one, and one very indicative of her noobness at mafia and nothing else. I will be looking closely at people who take the opportunity to build a train on her based on it. 

 

While I agree with the thought of Taborline's reaction as a noob blunder. I can't help but feel that RTE is doing a bit of defending (or maybe deflecting) here (bold and underlined). Taking note of that. Just notes, hunches, and gut feelings are all Iv'e got right now! 

 

I love your hunches, mentor of mine!

 

Few people conspicuously absent; Hallia amongst them

 

Odd that you picked me out, especially when I, I think on this very page right above, said that work was nuts and that I would be catching up at home.  

 

I've seen a lot of things I agree with being said so far.

 

My thoughts on people:

 

Taborline: New player making new player mistakes - nothing to be ashamed of, but I'm not buying she's scum yet.

Clov: Actually trying to find scum IMO - town lean

Laine: Similar to Clov - probably the most active and trying to do the most work. Town Lean

RTE: I'm with Clov here - his defense of Tabor makes sense, but his remark seems opportunistic yet he's unwilling to make a vote - leaning scum here

Hallia: Laine's got her meta down (<3 souvra)

Jagen/Sooh: as one who has left games for many reasons - this is by no means indicative of alignment - Jagen's reasons are her own - null because not enough to go on

 

Everyone else I'm pretty null on.

 

I feel good putting a vote on [v]RTE][/v] right now

You don't play that often, and I've seen you sub because it gets too nuts, but I am liking your play this game, your reads don't feel bad to me, and I am willing to join you on RTE.  Could be scum defending a teammate, could be scum white-knighting a new townie, either way...

 

Vote: RTE

It looked like she was working up to build a case but then just went with Kronos. 

 

 

 

I'm sorry, truly sorry I haven't been here.  Keys have been turned in so I'm officially done!

 

I've been trying to keep up on my cell at least to follow along at work.  

 

Rhea makes me nervous due the thinking right up there:

 

 

 

 

Originally you implied RTE was mafia and that Lessa was probably a team mate voting for "cleaning" (my words). It makes sense to have them as strong candidates

If you don't follow that theory, I would expect at least one of them should be higher

 

 

I think that all depends on if Lessa is lynched today and how she flips. I don't know where RTE is going to fall in my lineup after that TBH.

 

 

With the way last day phase went down, trying to cast doubt on RTE is not a good look.

I asked about this and never got an answer.

 

Just from the last few pages I'd be ok with a CFD in that direction even.

 

 

Meh.  Not really anyone on that seems interested in moving, and it appears this is just a foregone formality

 

Vote: Lessa

 

If you were ok with the CFD why didn't you just vote for me? There was no reason not to. And today you vote for for me because that's what you wanted to do yesterday? Then I think you should have and today it wouldn't look so suspicious. 

 

 

[Rhea]

My business is over thank Jeebus.

 

With the Seer death, I really think we should all do a reread and try to deduce peeks, I'm going through right now.

 

In the meantime, I'm going to go with what I think we should've done yesterday and

 

Vote: Rhea

 

As for the vote, I don't know how to make heads or tails of it. It was unnecessary for mafia to do, and it was unnecessary for town.

 

Why didn't you just stay off wagon entirely?

 

 

@Clov - Because I wanted to take a definite stand.  Yes, I could've stayed off of it, but I didn't want to.

 

Continuing on, up to page 30.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wondering if Tabor is too scummy to be mafia, but the last time I thought that Eldrick flipped mafia she needs to explain what she meant originally.

This makes me doubtful that Tab was her peek.

 

[unvote]

 

I don't know what to do.

Be strong, confident Town!Laine

 

 

 

please?

 

 

And I'm back to feeling like it could've been Laine.

First ISO if I have time.

 

fwiw I don't think Tabor's the way to go today(!) First post when she said 'special roles' she used VT separately, so it's possible that she did have goons on her mind as well as the cop. I have issues with the 'that too' part but meh. Her vote analysis seemed reasonable, and the hedging at the end didn't seem overly scummily motivated imo, the 'effed up' sounded genuine (bearing in mind I am genuinely BAD at reading peoples intentions mumbles something about Laine ATEing Zander)

And this makes me feel like it could have been Tab she viewed.  

RTE ISO:

 

 

 

wasn't present much during N0, so can't compare tone

 

(+) null on Cairos 'reaction' this is close to how I feel about it

(+) Laine/Sooh town, Clov/Dice nothing unusual I like easily given reads (- although there's actually only 2 reads there, the Clov/Dice comment is a bit nullish)

+ Like the humour

(+) Dice 'strongest' mafia lean amongst the high posters

+/- Tabor's blunder is noob, will look at people jumping on

- comments on Dice's asking him a question when he didn't... But IGNORES everything else that I said.

+ I like his explanation on his position on Tabor why is that analysis bad?

+/- Votes Rhea for playing safe

+/- Top 3 suspects are Rhea/Lessa/Dice thinks Lessa's vote was a mafia vote on an easy train.

+ Voting Rhea isn't great for avoiding lynch, but strongest hunch right now. Will move to Lessa if she becomes a competing train.

+/- Don't need to use meta to see Dice was building up to a Tabor vote Fair point - the meta isn't that he was building up to a vote, more the way he was building up to a vote reminded me more of Mafia!Dice than Town!Dice

+/- further defence of Tabor

- top posters comment was to start conversation meh, I think in his last game as mafia the entire team was in the bottom posters, so this looks badish

+ suspicious of people who pop in and don't back stuff up (Rhea) or people who vote without much reason behind it (WBK). Hard to single out the latter on Day 1 Why WBK, he wasn't in RTE's list

+/- burned with noob passes

+/- 'No lynch' town or mafia Dice not sure it's alignment indicative either way, tone to me could be town

+ explanation of Dice read - interactions with Clov meh that bit was sort of neutral to me, but I'd played that game so knew what he was referring to with the initial post. I didn't get what Clov was talking about either and Tabor fiasco and no lynch vote lol, I think you know my opinion here

 

 

 

RTE sounds relaxed on thread but has been playing long enough for this to be a null tell. I remember him fooling me as mafia, despite being seemingly obvious to everyone else playing and having good instincts as town

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Taborline (2): Laine, Lessa

RTE (3): Clov, Kronos, Hallia

Lessa (1): Razen

 

Not Voting (7): Taborline, BFG, RTE, Rhea, Sooh, Cairos, Dice

 

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, July 29 at 9:00 AM MST:

http://www.timeandda...t=cursive&csz=1

 

8-1/2 HOURS UNTIL DEADLINE

This was the VC just before his vote and I kinda like that it was on Rhea as opposed to Lessa, although I have both Rhea and Lessa as null right now (need to pay more attention). There is an issue with follow up as noted below.

 

I'm assuming that the reason he said he'd switch to Lessa and not Dice is because Dice had no votes at the time?

 

I don't particularly like that he ignored my case on Dice (I don't particularly like being ignored) but it's not a big deal.

 

In fact his read on Dice looks a little odd; starts off as nothing unusual from the Clov/Dice early interaction, but also thinks he looks bad from it? I can sort of see a progression here and think key is in context, but would like further explanation?

 

The only thing that stands out is the initial defence of Tabor. It seemed quite abrupt. I also don't like that he hasn't seemingly followed this up; He doesn't like Lessa (because of the vote on Tabor) he's voting Rhea because she took 'note' of his defence of Tabor but didn't vote.

 

Doesn't seem concerned by his impending lynch, that's probably townie of him?

 

 

Quick ISO from ME2 - Mafia!RTE in that game was a LOT fluffier at the start of thread (could just be that he missed it this game /shrug). Interestingly made a similar post about noob passes and being burned. Got caught up in a tristing words/semantics argument with Zander that lead to his lynch. Had a decisive tone when voting Zander and casing. Slipped by calling Zander vig and wanting to lynch him anyway defended himself, but didn't seem overtly concerned by the impending lynch there either.

 

(Was fluffy in Cliche as well, but nature of the game makes meta unusable from it)

 

Quick ISO from Pokemon - Town!RTE started straight in with game content, sounded annoyed when people misread him...

 

 

At the moment I want to say town due to the level of content BUT I don't think he's having fun the way he was in Pokemon and I don't see the same confidence that people should be reading him town, or frustration that they're not (I'd expect some response to Hallia at the least here), so it's not a confident read.

 

So that was useful At the moment I still want my vote on Dice, but I'm happy to hear what other people have to say on RTE

 

I don't feel that RTE was a peek for N0 due to this post.

Clov - I 'liked' his early vote as a 'kickstarter' CairOs was probably the perfect choice, I don't think they know each other outside of this, so couldn't be confused as a vote, Cairos was posting at the time so was around to react straight away... I don't understand his 'blown away'(?) comment. At the moment I'm torn between liking his prodding of lots of people, but not really agreeing with any of them, problem being that the game has been pretty quiet. I sort of feel that he's being cautious and I don't feel confident calling him town yet although I don't want to call him mafia either.

 

 

Laine is pinging me a fair bit, but mostly all in good ways. I think mafia!Laine is a bit more self conscious so pings less, she jumped in as soon as Clov opened the door which is different to her last game as mafia. Still need more time to be sure. Razen's made a good point about her vote, but I still feel 'good'? about our quote war.

 

 

Cairos - disagree with the majority I liked his reaction to Clov's vote and Laines prods, was townie imo. Hope he has chance to get into it tomorrow

 

 

RTE is a lot more content driven then his recent mafia games and more reserved (less frustrated) than his recent town games. Really hard to call this but I want to say town. I don't see the lynch swinging elsewhere at this point, so if he flips town I'll be looking at his bottom 3 more closely, I think his instincts are good enough for one or more to be mafia.

 

 

Tabor - really don't like the 'that too' but her posts since have seemed reasonable.

 

 

Dice is my strongest bet for mafia at the moment, already covered. Dice will become more obvious with time. If he ever starts to post without impact lynch him immediately (he's not at that stage yet)

 

 

Razen - Not sure I covered this; thing I was asking about was Razens post when he seemed to be agreeing with Clov that Cairos reaction was bad and Dice that it was null. Could be flu medicine, posts since have made sense. Am really, really liking the fluidity of his reads (case in point last post on Laine).

 

Rhea - drew initial interest because she was lurking during early game play, posted fluff during the initial Cairos debate, posts since have been relaxed but I haven't payed enough attention to content.

 

 

I feel like I should have reads on Hallia and Sooh, but I don't really yet (sorry)

 

 

Mostly null on everyone else atm.

And up to here it could be a town peek on Laine, Clov, Tab or even a scum peek on Dice.

 

 

This makes no sense.

 

Making a stand on Lessa AFTER saying you'd be ok with voting me doesn't compute. Sorry. 

[Rhea]

 

 

If anybody is feeling highly confident about somebody's chances to be peeked, I'm all ears, but I can't make heads or tails out of it.  I think there's an argument to be made for just about everybody left in the game, and there's something you can argue that suggests they weren't the peek.   I know if I'm the cop and get an innocent viewing of somebody, I'm never saying something like "<whoever> could be in my POE" or "I think <somebody> is a good place to look today", but I'm prepared how BFG would (or would not) put her peeks out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two observations -

 

@ Rhea - What do you think about where RTE sits after Lessa's town flip?

 

 

I'm sorry, truly sorry I haven't been here.  Keys have been turned in so I'm officially done!

 

I've been trying to keep up on my cell at least to follow along at work.  

 

Rhea makes me nervous due the thinking right up there:

 

 

Originally you implied RTE was mafia and that Lessa was probably a team mate voting for "cleaning" (my words). It makes sense to have them as strong candidates

If you don't follow that theory, I would expect at least one of them should be higher

 

I think that all depends on if Lessa is lynched today and how she flips. I don't know where RTE is going to fall in my lineup after that TBH. 

 

 

With the way last day phase went down, trying to cast doubt on RTE is not a good look.

 

What does this mean?

 

 

And I don't like how Hallia pokes at Rhea here for trying to cast doubt on RTE, given how things have transpired since.  Day 1, his vote was all about self-preservation.  Not exactly the most pro-town motivation out there, if we look at it from the just the D1 perspective.  Hallia seems very certain that RTE is town, I wonder why that is?  She isn't the seer.  And now that we know that Lessa was not Dice's teammate, I think Lessa's vote on RTE should be looked at more positively than we did yesterday.

 

The top is a great question Razen, but I wish you had held off to ask it.  I was wondering the same based on her presenting both of them as viable mafia candidates yesterday... thought we would get more out of watching her interact with RTE before saying anything.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about the bottom.  We know Hallia's not the seer, but I could see her assuming that RTE is pretty much cleared after Dice's flip - she certainly wouldn't have been the only one treating him that way.  I think knowing Lessa wasn't deliberately evening out the trains to save Dice gives MORE plausibility to the case for RTE being mafia, but he's certainly not one of my top candidates.  Do you think he might be?

 

I don't think he is either, at least not yet.  I can see why that assumption would be made, at least on the surface.  It is a relatively small leap to take.  But I don't think a self-preservation vote, even on someone who ends up as mafia, should be enough to pretty much clear someone the way that Hallia has.  It reads to me like she knows that RTE is town and that she's trying to use that to put suspicion on Rhea.  It's also one of those "noting" style posts, bringing something up because it looks bad but never following up on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kronos... I said in that post that if Lessa flipped mafia that Tab couldn't be mafia. Since Lessa flipped town, I'm still unsure about Taborline. I liked her interaction with BFG d2 and if ANYONE was her peek, I think it would be Tab, but since there's literally no solid evidence that Tabor was the peek, I'm sticking by my mafia read of Taborline. I don't see where that is backpedaling? lol

I don't get it...

 

Someone WAS her peek. Actually two someones. If you think that Taboo most certainly is a peek then you should probably go by that in my opinion. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kronos... I said in that post that if Lessa flipped mafia that Tab couldn't be mafia. Since Lessa flipped town, I'm still unsure about Taborline. I liked her interaction with BFG d2 and if ANYONE was her peek, I think it would be Tab, but since there's literally no solid evidence that Tabor was the peek, I'm sticking by my mafia read of Taborline. I don't see where that is backpedaling? lol

I don't get it...

 

Someone WAS her peek. Actually two someones. If you think that Taboo most certainly is a peek then you should probably go by that in my opinion. 

 

 

I would wonder why scum would kill BFG if they didn't have an inkling she was the Seer, which lead me to believe there were hints in her posts. She wasn't pushing too hard on too many people (that I recall), so to get her so soon made me wonder if they're seeing something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

My business is over thank Jeebus.

 

With the Seer death, I really think we should all do a reread and try to deduce peeks, I'm going through right now.

 

In the meantime, I'm going to go with what I think we should've done yesterday and

 

Vote: Rhea

 

Blue: Deducing peeks is pointless.  Nobody was cleared by her and she didn't post what she'd found out.  I don't see the point in wasting energy trying to figure out who those peeks are when we will never know exactly who they were until the end of the game.  Not to mention the fact that people could come up with a different list of possible peeks.  It's already happened.

 

Green: So you're saying you would rather have voted Rhea than resolve what happened with Lessa yesterday?  You voted Lessa anyway - and your vote was not necessary either, it was clear that she was getting lynched.  I'm assuming that since you wanted to vote Rhea yesterday that she's your #1 scum read.  And yet you didn't vote there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

BFG: top/bottom reads?

You're not going to like them

RTE, Tabor, Sooh, Razen are likely town here. Relatively confident on RTE/Tabor, need to review Sooh and Razen beyond end of day yesterday.

Pretty much everyone else is in my POE, not sure how I'd arrange you all yet :(

Clov is making me uncomfortable, but I'm not sure how much of that is just paranoia.
You've been pretty townie, but the complete opposite reads thing is starting to make me edgy
Lessa is starting to feel too easy, I don't think her vote is as decisive as the train today suggests
I'm pretty comfortable with Kronos pending more interaction
Hallia is troubling me; last game she was obvious townie by the end of Day 1, and I'm not sure I see that here
Rhea is sort of null as well.

 

I think if BFG as the seer was going to put "hints" for her peeks this is the way she would do it. Is this a 100% read though? I guess that is what we have to decide for ourselves. For me, I'm more likely to go with this being a pretty confident town read from the seer. 

 

So to answer you Razen/Clov...besides Lessa flipping town, this post from BFG is leading me to believe that it's more likely RTE is town.

 

The other 2 left on my bottom 4 from yesterday however, are the first two to jump on my train today. How do you feel about that?

 

 

[Rhea]

I have to go finish my paper now!

 

I will check back later. 

[Clovdyx]

 

My business is over thank Jeebus.

 

With the Seer death, I really think we should all do a reread and try to deduce peeks, I'm going through right now.

 

In the meantime, I'm going to go with what I think we should've done yesterday and

 

Vote: Rhea

 

Blue: Deducing peeks is pointless.  Nobody was cleared by her and she didn't post what she'd found out.  I don't see the point in wasting energy trying to figure out who those peeks are when we will never know exactly who they were until the end of the game.  Not to mention the fact that people could come up with a different list of possible peeks.  It's already happened.

 

Green: So you're saying you would rather have voted Rhea than resolve what happened with Lessa yesterday?  You voted Lessa anyway - and your vote was not necessary either, it was clear that she was getting lynched.  I'm assuming that since you wanted to vote Rhea yesterday that she's your #1 scum read.  And yet you didn't vote there.

 

 

Well, it's not pointless if you can do it and reach a definite conclusion.  You're right in this case - we're never going to know, and literally the worst thing we can do this game is misclear a mafia as peeked town so they can coast to the end.  

[Clovdyx]

[v]Laine[/v]

 

A red flip from Lessa would have cleared Taborline and RTE for her.  Obviously that didn't happen, and now she's calling for competing wagons on Rhea/Hallia.  And then she had this today.  

 

@Clov: I do have RTE as a town read now, but where did I say that I'm not still scum reading Taborline? I think her interactions d2 were better, but I think that on d1 was a scum slip, I also believe Dice was not going to vote her d1. From mafia!Dice, that is suspicious to me if she's town, because I was ready to push that lynch. Having Rhea/Hallia in my POE is nothing more than me reevaluating. 

 

 

Think about the implications of the bold.  She's saying Taborline scumslipped.  In other words, she admitted to being mafia.  Maybe Laine was planning on getting wagons going and then trying to start a CFD on Tabor after we got some discussion going, but she's not driving discussion about Tabor at this point.  If you're going to do competing wagons for reactions/spew, how do you NOT nominate somebody you think outed themselves as scum as one of the competing wagons?

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Hallia (2): Razen, RTE
Rhea (2): Laine, Hallia

Laine (1): Clov

Not voting (4): Taborline, Rhea, Sooh, Kronos

Deadline for Day 3 is Monday, August 3rd at 9:00 AM MST/12 noon EDT:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150803T09&p0=197&msg=Day+Three+Deadline&font=cursive&csz=1

[alannalynn]

[v]Laine[/v]

 

A red flip from Lessa would have cleared Taborline and RTE for her.  Obviously that didn't happen, and now she's calling for competing wagons on Rhea/Hallia.  And then she had this today.  

 

@Clov: I do have RTE as a town read now, but where did I say that I'm not still scum reading Taborline? I think her interactions d2 were better, but I think that on d1 was a scum slip, I also believe Dice was not going to vote her d1. From mafia!Dice, that is suspicious to me if she's town, because I was ready to push that lynch. Having Rhea/Hallia in my POE is nothing more than me reevaluating. 

 

 

Think about the implications of the bold.  She's saying Taborline scumslipped.  In other words, she admitted to being mafia.  Maybe Laine was planning on getting wagons going and then trying to start a CFD on Tabor after we got some discussion going, but she's not driving discussion about Tabor at this point.  If you're going to do competing wagons for reactions/spew, how do you NOT nominate somebody you think outed themselves as scum as one of the competing wagons?

NOBODY is picking up Taborline, so I'm putting it on the back burner for now. I was actually gonna push Rhea and it seems others feel content pushing Hallia. And although I feel Hall has been a little scummy and pretty low profile this game, I also don't see why mafia would vote at the end of a town train like that. She's sitting on the edge of my poe right now. I'm ready to let this bite me in the ass later if I defend Hallia and she's scum, but so be it. I am town and I've been trying this game, even if I'm wrong.

[Clovdyx]

You have been trying, and you might be town.  You also might be wrong, and you might be right - I don't know.  What do I know is that you seem to have tabled her, and I'm not sure why.  You said that her vote on Lessa looked good, and now that I'm going back to re-evaluate again, I'm not sure what you're seeing that I'm not.

 

 Vote: Lessa

 Tab- votes after going back and forth with BFG about her reads, this looks good for her because she really showed she was thinking it through and not just jumping on the train; also a fan of BFG drawing her out here and getting some reads from her, this is part of the reason I thought BFG peeked Taborline

 

 

Obviously the vote itself doesn't show that.  This is literally everything Taborline said about Lessa from the start of day 2 until she votes.  If you think I'm wrong about this, go look again.

 

OK, here's my read of EOD activities.

 

EOD action really started when RTE said he was ready to go head-to-head with someone, but didn’t mention a name (and in the post right before, he had said Dice wasn’t his first choice of scum, so he wasn't pushing anyone at this point).

 

BFG is pushing a little for Dice (“A lot of people finding Dice odd, but unwilling to vote. Just saying”) maybe wanting people to explain more, dive into that pool and see where it goes.

 

Sooh is first off the ground with a vote, “Okay, let’s see what happens. Vote: Dice”, hence my reasoning that she’s Town.

 

BFG’s next synthesis post is definitely anti Dice (“Dice (1): Seemingly concerned with people's opinions, Town!Dice just isn't. Also isn't obvious town yet and Dice is very good at being obvious town when town (worth noting that Laine disagres with me and thinks Dice is obvious town”)

 

Which, at that point where only Sooh was going for Dice, would be a bad idea for someone on the scum team. If she were scum, she could easily just ignore Sooh’s vote, and use that post to pour more oil on me and on RTE.

 

RTE then goes Dice – could be a case of him being scum and getting to safety by going with a flow, but at this point only Sooh had actively put in a vote. If he were scum, again, he could have ignored her for now.

 

Razen then goes for Dice, piling on, which could be scummy now that we can see where the head-to-head is going.

 

Cairos, may he rest in peace, plops down the final Dice vote and gets us the 50-50 (Thank you, Cairois).

 

Lessa’s last minute RTE vote doesn’t look great – giving her team mate a 50/50 chance of survival.

 

My list:

 

Most likely Town: RTE, Sooh, BFG

 

Suspicious Scum: WBK, Clov, Lessa

 

I will concede that people don't seem to be "picking her up", but I'm not seeing this serious thought progression you're giving to her.  I don't know if you just don't think she's lynchable so you're moving on, or if you don't want her lynched, but this makes me feel worse about you than I did before.

[alannalynn]

I think Taborline was a likely peek candidate and can see BFG having done that. That takes her out of my bottom at the moment.

 

Between Rhea and Hallia after yesterday I have a worse feeling about Hallia to be honest. Rhea has been here and trying. Not saying I agree with everything she has posted or like it, but Hallia I feel is more actively holding back. 

 

My feelings about the Lessa flip are largely what others have said, wish she fought for it more but not sure how much info it particularly gives us. 

 

I think Rhea and Hallia are the two best candidates today but I think Hallia's lack of play is more concerning of the two. Still wary of Kronos, but he's here and trying as well. Hallia's flip should cast light on his  alignment. Finding POE a bit tough to do so far here.

 

[v] Hallia [/v]

 How does Hallia's alignment have anything to do with Kronos' alignment in the game. I can't particularly remember much from either of them so far, content wise, so I don't see what you're getting at?

 

/snip

I can almost feel BFG screaming at us from the dead thread about her peeks.

Anyways, I'm going to a party, I have to be home at midnight est anyways, so I should be bothering y'all again then.

 But I dont think you are listening.

 

Kronos... I said in that post that if Lessa flipped mafia that Tab couldn't be mafia. Since Lessa flipped town, I'm still unsure about Taborline. I liked her interaction with BFG d2 and if ANYONE was her peek, I think it would be Tab, but since there's literally no solid evidence that Tabor was the peek, I'm sticking by my mafia read of Taborline. I don't see where that is backpedaling? lol

 I don't think this makes sense. What doesn't make sense here? IF Dice was building up to vote Taborline like BFG suggested on D1, Lessa's vote was already on Tab, so there was no way that both mafia would be voting for a teammate. I, on the other hand did NOT believe that Dice was building up to vote Taborline at all, I believe he was giving himself an out, and he ended up voting No Lynch instead of either RTE or Taborline. Being that Lessa flipped town, there is still potential that Taborline is mafia. As for the peek business, more after the quote.

 

@Clov: I do have RTE as a town read now, but where did I say that I'm not still scum reading Taborline? I think her interactions d2 were better, but I think that on d1 was a scum slip, I also believe Dice was not going to vote her d1. From mafia!Dice, that is suspicious to me if she's town, because I was ready to push that lynch. Having Rhea/Hallia in my POE is nothing more than me reevaluating.

 And yet you are focusing on me and Hallia as you PoE today? 

 

 

 

Kronos... I said in that post that if Lessa flipped mafia that Tab couldn't be mafia. Since Lessa flipped town, I'm still unsure about Taborline. I liked her interaction with BFG d2 and if ANYONE was her peek, I think it would be Tab, but since there's literally no solid evidence that Tabor was the peek, I'm sticking by my mafia read of Taborline. I don't see where that is backpedaling? lol

I don't get it...

Someone WAS her peek. Actually two someones. If you think that Taboo most certainly is a peek then you should probably go by that in my opinion.

 

I would wonder why scum would kill BFG if they didn't have an inkling she was the Seer, which lead me to believe there were hints in her posts. She wasn't pushing too hard on too many people (that I recall), so to get her so soon made me wonder if they're seeing something.

 

I like this interaction. I agree with Sooh, that BFG did have two peeks and she did give that info to us.

I'm assuming this is a case because I wont clear any peeks.. it's because we don't know 100% who BFG's peeks were, we cannot risk mis-clearing mafia. That is an extremely dangerous assumption to make. We can say who we THINK they were,but that's not going to help us in the long run because it cannot be confirmed. 

 

My POE currently is Kronos/Hallia, Tab, Rhea. In that order. The first two are at the edge of my poe and the bottom two are in it. That is bound to change of course, but I'm fairly confident that the remaining mafia are somewhere in this four unless we have someone deepwolfing it.

 

 

I Have no idea what he was responding to there. lol

 

Ugh, I need to use words better

 

Re Dice; so far his posting feels like he's building up to a vote on Tabor which reminds me of how he acted in ME2.

Meh not really feeling this one BFG, I don't see him building up to a vote, but trying to get clear information.

 

My top three scum suspects at the moment are Rhea, Lessa, and Dice FWIW. While I understand when Clov said voting Taborline wouldn't give Lessa credit, I think it was a lazy scum vote on what she thought was an easy train. She says she didn't see the earlier vote but I think regardless she thought it was a safe time to vote and that's why she did so easily.

Reminder to look back at this.

Also, why Dice? I can see Rhea for popping in and out and for the post you quoted of Clov's, and Lessa for what is red, but Dice? I'm getting a town Dice this game

 

Well...now we know Dice was Mafia and Lessa was town.

Why was it that you were getting a town read on Dice?

I know Clov has asked this too and it was more of a gut read- I wasn't really seeing him as scummy on d1. I know that isn't really a point in my favor, but that's how things happened. I also had a mafia read on Lessa and she flipped town.  So please, tell me why being wrong is bad?

 

 

 

 

Good luck on the exam, Cairos!

 

Vote: Taborline

Razen's was a throw away vote, pretty much nothing here, in the below spoiler, he states why he voted her (reactions) and left it sitting there for her rolefishing (see below)

 

 

 

@ Kronos - I picked Taborline because I wanted to see a reaction.  I hadn't seen anything off putting from the way she handled it.  When I woke up this morning though and took an initial read through what's happened since I fell asleep (and thankfully I'm not sick anymore!), I think it's interesting to consider that she's the first to question the reasons that Sooh might have taken over for Jagen.  There could be a number of reasons for the switch, not all of which are related to the game.  Also don't like that she kind of went rolefishing there too in putting out that thought - the part in green.

 

I'm also not liking the part Laine tacked on.  Seems like an easy way to throw suspicion on Sooh for something she had no control over.  Even if it's just a theory adding to what Taborline had said earlier.

 

 

Good morning!

 

And welcome, Sooh! I hate balloons too, they're the spawn of the Devil.

 

Why did Jagen leave us? Normally I would wonder if it's not because they had a special role, and therefore Sooh has it too, otherwise why quit so quickly? If you're vanilla town, you could just ride it out, check in from time to time, but if you needed to be active then you might throw in the towel right away knowing it's not fair to whichever team you're on.

Sometimes being scum in your first game is intimidating

 

 

Agree on the role-fishing.

 

The reason I mentioned subbing out scum is because Taborline DIDN'T mention it. Why go straight to PR and not to scum? Why would having a PR be any more/less intimidating than rolling scum?

 

[unvote][v]Taborline[/v]

My vote

 

For some reason my multiquote and quote buttons aren't working

Alanna will forever be AJ to me, mostly because when I started here that was her  nickname.

 

As for the interaction between BFG and AJ, it feels like a normal reaction from  2 townies nitpicking one another but I do think the quoting may have gotten out of hand a bit.

 

And though it's been stated already, Jagen could have had to drop out for family or medical reasons and it not have to do with anything game related. The fact Taborline immediately went for thinking it was possibly because of Jagen's role is scummy to me. Then by saying that if the role requires being active and that (Sooh) should throw in the towel now as it would be unfair to either team she's on. That adds to the feeling of scummy and it sounds like you're trying to get votes on someone who you see as a rival if you are scum.

 

So that being said,

 

Vote Taborline

Lessa's. And it really doesn't look like that bad of a vote. Considering Razen's came before any of this happened and I started applying pressure, I'm not sure I'm seeing the same problem with her vote here that some of you are.

 

You know who (BFG):

 

 

BFG how can it be either absurdly pro town or pro mafia? haha I feel like those are two extremes

Pro town because you try to draw attention away from the potential PR hunt, by focusing on the mafia side of it. Pro mafia because you're extending a conversation that could get 'dangerous'. Doubt you'd do something that risky as mafia though, so leaning town (bolstered from yesterday)

I just now saw this. You don't think I would... ? *disappointed* You're probably right.. I suck at mafia 

 I haven't played with you before but I'm thinking you would.

Let me tell you about me. I'm pretty straight forward when it comes to mafia. I don't try to set elaborate traps, I don't do crazy things, because I know they'll back fire on me and I have zero confidence in my ability to pull anything like that off. I say what I think and mean what I say. If you try to read into my words, you're going to get the wrong answer. Me saying I suck as mafia above is completely true, I snapped at Dice in the last game in an overreaction that led to me getting lynched and losing a vig shot for my team and we ultimately lost. I'm trying to be as clear town as I can this game and it's not working out in my favor. If I end up getting lynched for that and my sketchy reads, I'm going to fight all the way to the noose.

 

You trying to throw dirt on me saying you think that I would try to pull something off risky as mafia based on a post from our dead Seer (<3 BFG) who posted that in a more positive light (ie, me being town) looks pretty bad from where I'm standing. It's like a little jab not intended to implicate me, but to put doubt on my standing in the town. D1 and since I have done nothing but try to get conversation moving and people interacting and I want nothing more than to win this for the town.

 

 

Top town for me: Dice, Clov, BFG

Bottom three.... Tab, RTE, Rhea?

 

Everyone else is  mixture of null/townish

 

From what I got off BFGs posts to what two people she had town reads on, Tab and RTE should be pretty much in the clear now. You can ISO me today, that is fine. I'm clean, confused a lot, but clean.

What did you ebwop there BFG? haha I didn't see a difference...

 

 

 

 

The mafia in top posters comment was for the sake of getting conversation going. I do stand by it though. Doubt the whole mafia team is among the non-posters, athough wouldn't be surprised if two are this early on.

Yeah, getting into it as mafia can be both difficult and easy, depending on the direction of the game.

 

We also have a few new/not frequent players here, so for them I would think it's even more difficult to get into the game as mafia.

 

especially since they have no day chat :)

*forgot about this, I need to take that into account when I read back through d1

 

Did you really? I'm starting to wonder.

The problem is that BFG also showed doubt in her reads of those same players. That means that we can't be sure they were her peeks.

As for the last part: yes, and that would have lined up with Lessa throwing her vote at RTE at the last minute. It also supports Taborline and Rhea being mafia because they did not vote end of d1 at all, implying that you did not have a clear cut plan with the rest of your mafia team of where your votes would go.

[alannalynn]

Clov what I liked on d2 with Taborline was her discussion with BFG, I need to go back and look, but I liked that it seemed like she wasn't just settling with Lessa but was actually looking at other options due to BFG's prodding. Don't quote me on this, I need to go back and look at d2, but I felt her vote was okay because of that

[alannalynn]

OMG!...You guys! I went to work yesterday morning. I still have pink eye right....so the first hour I'm there I start feeling nauseous and then im vomiting. I go to the walkin clinic and see the NP who suggests I be seen right away in the urgent eye clinic. WTH? On my honor...I was in with doctors all morning and afternoon and then had to go to occupational health to update them on my condition so they could issue new work restrictions for me. I still don't know exactly what is causing the nausea, but now I am having horrible headaches. Occupational health has me seeing a doctor firs thing this morning. I was so bummed when I got home and missed the deadline! I went to bed before night was over. I'm so sorry! 

 

On that note...I am having a really hard time reading. I'm going to see what the doc says this morning and if this isn't getting better I will probably opt out. I don't want to!!!! I am really liking this game!

 

Good job guys! I know it came down to random roll....though my gut feeling is either way we would have caught scum, and I think their teammate was hoping to make it a tie so that the one left would look clean. 

 

In that case I think I will [v]Lessa[/v] for now and see how things shake out. I need to go back and read everything again and look at a few things. But I think that last minute tie vote pretty much cinches it for me. 

 

I will be back and let you all know what the doctor says.

 

Carry on!

Rhea vs Taborline's votes on d2 is the difference between the above quote and Taborline going through d1 again and providing her reads and being questioned before dropping her vote. (pages 37-39) The vote on Lessa was just too easy to make d2 and so it doesn't give us a lot of information to work with because town and scum can all get on that train, but that's the reason I liked Taborline's vote better that Rhea's. I never said Tab's vote made her town, just that her vote looked better than Rhea's.

[Clovdyx]

#1042 (not trying to start another multiquote madness moment) sounds pretty good to me.  That question to RTE sounds pretty genuine, and I can't come up with a "good" answer to it off the top of my head.  Her stance on the peeks pretty much mimics my own at this point.

 

Only part I really disagree with is her sucking as mafia.  Opinions obviously vary, Laine, but I thought you did pretty well in Darthe's LotR game - and you had me fooled early in GOAT Football Coach Mafia.  

 

Clov what I liked on d2 with Taborline was her discussion with BFG, I need to go back and look, but I liked that it seemed like she wasn't just settling with Lessa but was actually looking at other options due to BFG's prodding. Don't quote me on this, I need to go back and look at d2, but I felt her vote was okay because of that

 

If you meant she was looking at other options after she voted, you might be right.  I just didn't see anything to make me feel that way leading up to her vote.

[alannalynn]

I eventually shove my foot in my mouth as mafia, if that's a better way to put it? LOL The only reason I survived Middle Earth was Andrej and the only reason my team made it so far in Belichick was that Talya/Zander were pretty fabulous. But we can talk about my confidence issues on another day

[Rhea]

 

 

I think Taborline was a likely peek candidate and can see BFG having done that. That takes her out of my bottom at the moment.

 

Between Rhea and Hallia after yesterday I have a worse feeling about Hallia to be honest. Rhea has been here and trying. Not saying I agree with everything she has posted or like it, but Hallia I feel is more actively holding back. 

 

My feelings about the Lessa flip are largely what others have said, wish she fought for it more but not sure how much info it particularly gives us. 

 

I think Rhea and Hallia are the two best candidates today but I think Hallia's lack of play is more concerning of the two. Still wary of Kronos, but he's here and trying as well. Hallia's flip should cast light on his  alignment. Finding POE a bit tough to do so far here.

 

[v] Hallia [/v]

 How does Hallia's alignment have anything to do with Kronos' alignment in the game. I can't particularly remember much from either of them so far, content wise, so I don't see what you're getting at?

 

/snip

I can almost feel BFG screaming at us from the dead thread about her peeks.

Anyways, I'm going to a party, I have to be home at midnight est anyways, so I should be bothering y'all again then.

 But I dont think you are listening.

 

Kronos... I said in that post that if Lessa flipped mafia that Tab couldn't be mafia. Since Lessa flipped town, I'm still unsure about Taborline. I liked her interaction with BFG d2 and if ANYONE was her peek, I think it would be Tab, but since there's literally no solid evidence that Tabor was the peek, I'm sticking by my mafia read of Taborline. I don't see where that is backpedaling? lol

 I don't think this makes sense. What doesn't make sense here? IF Dice was building up to vote Taborline like BFG suggested on D1, Lessa's vote was already on Tab, so there was no way that both mafia would be voting for a teammate. I, on the other hand did NOT believe that Dice was building up to vote Taborline at all, I believe he was giving himself an out, and he ended up voting No Lynch instead of either RTE or Taborline. Being that Lessa flipped town, there is still potential that Taborline is mafia. As for the peek business, more after the quote.

 

@Clov: I do have RTE as a town read now, but where did I say that I'm not still scum reading Taborline? I think her interactions d2 were better, but I think that on d1 was a scum slip, I also believe Dice was not going to vote her d1. From mafia!Dice, that is suspicious to me if she's town, because I was ready to push that lynch. Having Rhea/Hallia in my POE is nothing more than me reevaluating.

 And yet you are focusing on me and Hallia as you PoE today? 

 

 

 

Kronos... I said in that post that if Lessa flipped mafia that Tab couldn't be mafia. Since Lessa flipped town, I'm still unsure about Taborline. I liked her interaction with BFG d2 and if ANYONE was her peek, I think it would be Tab, but since there's literally no solid evidence that Tabor was the peek, I'm sticking by my mafia read of Taborline. I don't see where that is backpedaling? lol

I don't get it...

Someone WAS her peek. Actually two someones. If you think that Taboo most certainly is a peek then you should probably go by that in my opinion.

 

I would wonder why scum would kill BFG if they didn't have an inkling she was the Seer, which lead me to believe there were hints in her posts. She wasn't pushing too hard on too many people (that I recall), so to get her so soon made me wonder if they're seeing something.

 

I like this interaction. I agree with Sooh, that BFG did have two peeks and she did give that info to us.

 

I'm assuming this is a case because I wont clear any peeks.. it's because we don't know 100% who BFG's peeks were, we cannot risk mis-clearing mafia. That is an extremely dangerous assumption to make. We can say who we THINK they were,but that's not going to help us in the long run because it cannot be confirmed. 

 

My POE currently is Kronos/Hallia, Tab, Rhea. In that order. The first two are at the edge of my poe and the bottom two are in it. That is bound to change of course, but I'm fairly confident that the remaining mafia are somewhere in this four unless we have someone deepwolfing it.

 

 

 

I Have no idea what he was responding to there. lol

 

Ugh, I need to use words better

 

Re Dice; so far his posting feels like he's building up to a vote on Tabor which reminds me of how he acted in ME2.

Meh not really feeling this one BFG, I don't see him building up to a vote, but trying to get clear information.

 

My top three scum suspects at the moment are Rhea, Lessa, and Dice FWIW. While I understand when Clov said voting Taborline wouldn't give Lessa credit, I think it was a lazy scum vote on what she thought was an easy train. She says she didn't see the earlier vote but I think regardless she thought it was a safe time to vote and that's why she did so easily.

Reminder to look back at this.

Also, why Dice? I can see Rhea for popping in and out and for the post you quoted of Clov's, and Lessa for what is red, but Dice? I'm getting a town Dice this game

 

Well...now we know Dice was Mafia and Lessa was town.

Why was it that you were getting a town read on Dice?

 

I know Clov has asked this too and it was more of a gut read- I wasn't really seeing him as scummy on d1. I know that isn't really a point in my favor, but that's how things happened. I also had a mafia read on Lessa and she flipped town.  So please, tell me why being wrong is bad?

 

 

 

 

 

Good luck on the exam, Cairos!

 

Vote: Taborline

Razen's was a throw away vote, pretty much nothing here, in the below spoiler, he states why he voted her (reactions) and left it sitting there for her rolefishing (see below)

 

 

 

@ Kronos - I picked Taborline because I wanted to see a reaction.  I hadn't seen anything off putting from the way she handled it.  When I woke up this morning though and took an initial read through what's happened since I fell asleep (and thankfully I'm not sick anymore!), I think it's interesting to consider that she's the first to question the reasons that Sooh might have taken over for Jagen.  There could be a number of reasons for the switch, not all of which are related to the game.  Also don't like that she kind of went rolefishing there too in putting out that thought - the part in green.

 

I'm also not liking the part Laine tacked on.  Seems like an easy way to throw suspicion on Sooh for something she had no control over.  Even if it's just a theory adding to what Taborline had said earlier.

 

 

Good morning!

 

And welcome, Sooh! I hate balloons too, they're the spawn of the Devil.

 

Why did Jagen leave us? Normally I would wonder if it's not because they had a special role, and therefore Sooh has it too, otherwise why quit so quickly? If you're vanilla town, you could just ride it out, check in from time to time, but if you needed to be active then you might throw in the towel right away knowing it's not fair to whichever team you're on.

Sometimes being scum in your first game is intimidating

 

 

Agree on the role-fishing.

 

The reason I mentioned subbing out scum is because Taborline DIDN'T mention it. Why go straight to PR and not to scum? Why would having a PR be any more/less intimidating than rolling scum?

 

[unvote][v]Taborline[/v]

My vote

 

For some reason my multiquote and quote buttons aren't working

Alanna will forever be AJ to me, mostly because when I started here that was her  nickname.

 

As for the interaction between BFG and AJ, it feels like a normal reaction from  2 townies nitpicking one another but I do think the quoting may have gotten out of hand a bit.

 

And though it's been stated already, Jagen could have had to drop out for family or medical reasons and it not have to do with anything game related. The fact Taborline immediately went for thinking it was possibly because of Jagen's role is scummy to me. Then by saying that if the role requires being active and that (Sooh) should throw in the towel now as it would be unfair to either team she's on. That adds to the feeling of scummy and it sounds like you're trying to get votes on someone who you see as a rival if you are scum.

 

So that being said,

 

Vote Taborline

Lessa's. And it really doesn't look like that bad of a vote. Considering Razen's came before any of this happened and I started applying pressure, I'm not sure I'm seeing the same problem with her vote here that some of you are.

 

You know who (BFG):

 

 

BFG how can it be either absurdly pro town or pro mafia? haha I feel like those are two extremes

Pro town because you try to draw attention away from the potential PR hunt, by focusing on the mafia side of it. Pro mafia because you're extending a conversation that could get 'dangerous'. Doubt you'd do something that risky as mafia though, so leaning town (bolstered from yesterday)

I just now saw this. You don't think I would... ? *disappointed* You're probably right.. I suck at mafia 

 I haven't played with you before but I'm thinking you would.

 

Let me tell you about me. I'm pretty straight forward when it comes to mafia. I don't try to set elaborate traps, I don't do crazy things, because I know they'll back fire on me and I have zero confidence in my ability to pull anything like that off. I say what I think and mean what I say. If you try to read into my words, you're going to get the wrong answer. Me saying I suck as mafia above is completely true, I snapped at Dice in the last game in an overreaction that led to me getting lynched and losing a vig shot for my team and we ultimately lost. I'm trying to be as clear town as I can this game and it's not working out in my favor. If I end up getting lynched for that and my sketchy reads, I'm going to fight all the way to the noose.

 

You trying to throw dirt on me saying you think that I would try to pull something off risky as mafia based on a post from our dead Seer (<3 BFG) who posted that in a more positive light (ie, me being town) looks pretty bad from where I'm standing. It's like a little jab not intended to implicate me, but to put doubt on my standing in the town. D1 and since I have done nothing but try to get conversation moving and people interacting and I want nothing more than to win this for the town.

 

 

 

Top town for me: Dice, Clov, BFG

Bottom three.... Tab, RTE, Rhea?

 

Everyone else is  mixture of null/townish

 

From what I got off BFGs posts to what two people she had town reads on, Tab and RTE should be pretty much in the clear now. You can ISO me today, that is fine. I'm clean, confused a lot, but clean.

What did you ebwop there BFG? haha I didn't see a difference...

 

 

 

 

The mafia in top posters comment was for the sake of getting conversation going. I do stand by it though. Doubt the whole mafia team is among the non-posters, athough wouldn't be surprised if two are this early on.

Yeah, getting into it as mafia can be both difficult and easy, depending on the direction of the game.

 

We also have a few new/not frequent players here, so for them I would think it's even more difficult to get into the game as mafia.

 

especially since they have no day chat :)

*forgot about this, I need to take that into account when I read back through d1

 

Did you really? I'm starting to wonder.

 

The problem is that BFG also showed doubt in her reads of those same players. That means that we can't be sure they were her peeks.

As for the last part: yes, and that would have lined up with Lessa throwing her vote at RTE at the last minute. It also supports Taborline and Rhea being mafia because they did not vote end of d1 at all, implying that you did not have a clear cut plan with the rest of your mafia team of where your votes would go.

 

 

 

Red - I know that it is dangerous, and I have my opinion and you have yours. I felt that BFG was in the beginning unsure, but when she said "relatively confident" on RTE and Tabor in her later post...I got a gut feeling she was trying to tell us something. Especially after rereading it today. 

 

Green - Fair enough, I get gut feelings too and I appreciate that. 

 

Blue - I've learned from past experience that the more someone cries "town" the less likely they are. I've seen this in your posts quite a few times and it's starting to stand out. 

 

Purple - You should know darn well why I didn't vote on day 1...I was a sick puppy! I couldn't hardly see to read the posts yet alone write any. Hard to make a case on anyone when everything is blurry. I don't think you can use that to link us in any way. 

[Rhea]

I am always saying the wrong thing in mafia games and I suck at it too. that is why I quit. 

[alannalynn]

@Rhea:

RED: I disagree, there was still language that was still confusing: read my post HERE

BLUE: ??? What would you rather me say? lol

Purple: I can link people how ever I like.. see below:

 

Okay, so here's the thing. Those on the Dice lynch look pretty dang good. The train was fast and the team had no chance to talk about where their votes should go, and that's beside the fact that RTE was tied with Dice. This is my town pile: Sooh, RTE, Razen, Cairos

 

Those off of the Dice train: Clov, Kronos, Hally, Alanna, Tab, Rhea

 

I know I'm town, I'm getting a town lean from Clov.

 

That puts my POE at

Kronos, who I don't feel like I've gotten enough information on

Hallia who has been pretty invisible/scummy? but added a last minute vote on Lessa that no mafia would want to get their hands dirty with

Taborline: got pressure d1, I didn't like her wording, Mafia!Dice waffled on her vote and didn't vote her, probably knowing I would lead that train

Rhea: scummy, had some questionable reads, tossed a vote on Lessa d2, not liking her responses, trying to clear peeks based on no information

[alannalynn]

Sorry if that last post came off a little mean, I understand you were sick (I hope you're doing better!!), but I don't take that into account in the game. It muddles reads that I would rather be from pure game play. Hence why Hallia's absence is a point against her even though I know she was moving.