Pokemon Mafia IV: The Mystery of Heart Island--GAME OVER--TEAM ROCKET WIN

[seph]

also to any moms in here. Happy Mothers day!

[Darthe]

I don't mind that she came out voting. But it's the way she did it. Her reasoning is poor on this one, in a way that rings scummy rather than careless. 

If you think Ithi is suspect push her.  Seems simple.

[seph]

 

I don't mind that she came out voting. But it's the way she did it. Her reasoning is poor on this one, in a way that rings scummy rather than careless. 

If you think Ithi is suspect push her.  Seems simple.

 

we are waiting for ithis replacement darthe

[Darthe]

Right but that begs the question of why he is posturing, especially to me, about Ithi.  I guess I'm not getting whatever correlation RTE is looking for.

[seph]

I don't mind that she came out voting. But it's the way she did it. Her reasoning is poor on this one, in a way that rings scummy rather than careless. 

RTE I am confused. how does ithi seem town and scummy at the same time?

[Leyrann]

Leyrann spends the most of his posts Sniping at Darthe. In fact he seems a bit snipey all round.

 

Leyrann confirms his vote on me is for no other reason than I laughed at him for locking the thread.

 

But Leyrann is still voting for me...

 

[V]Leyrann [/v]

 

That's because I had just seen the thread like 2 hours before and there was no need to unvote yet, and well, I didn't really see anyone I wanted to vote. I consider the game to be on well enough now that I should unvote though.

 

[unvote]

 

I called it a hint because he didn't outright say his pokemon was Cyndaquil, whether I read it as a hint or claim is like the difference between green apples and red apples.

 

For the record his exact words were "I choose you Cyndaquil" that's a hint at best.

 

However good attempt at distracting. drawing the topic off issues of relevance to debate claim vs hint and trying to discredit Eld's claim/hint what-have you by speculating the number of pokemon in the game. Cyndaquil would be a ballsy fake claim considering it's a starter pokemon.

 

I would just like to mention that I'm pretty sure AH said that the pokemons were distributed randomly though, so whatever pokemon you have you can claim it, wheter you are town or mafia.

 

By the way, in case anyone's wondering, I got Pikachu. Thought it was a nice joke that I got like, the only pokemon I know.

 

-snip-

 

it's blatant because the thing I hinted is only done by one pokemon as far as I know. Not to mention I gave another subtle hint when combined with my main hint by refering to "what I know" is why I beleive his cyndaquil claim/hint whatever. Also for the record if you're going to play a pokemon themed mafia game it's atleast wise to brush up on popular/well-known pokemon

 

 

Would also like to point out that AH said NO pokemon knowledge would be needed for this game, so please, don't ask people to look stuff up. Give your hints in another way or just say it out loud. Hints are, after all, generally in favour of the mafia, because if one out of 3/4 mafia picks it up, mafia knows, whereas if a townie picks it up, he's still alone.

 

I'm sorry everyone.

 

I thought I might feel differently if I played as a Hydra with someone, but I'm still not enjoying playing the game. I think Leyrann is right and I should just take a long break. My heart's just not in it anymore.

 

I've asked Heart to find a replacement for me. I hope you have a wonderful game.

 

I'm sorry to hear that Ithi. *hug*

[Leyrann]

Currently (even though I disagree with some things, like I mentioned above), I think EP looks the most townie. Darthe I'm just unsure, I feel like he's much more active that normally, and at times I feel like he's doing well, while at other times I feel like he's going after something weird, or takes a weird stance about something. I blame that on him being Darthe though. For the rest, not really a read on someone, just developing minor likes/dislikes. The one last thing is that I think EP made a great point about Hallia and I don't feel like she adequately defended it. Actually, she didn't defend it at all, I see. She only asked RTE what "he agreed with", which, to me, feels like she's trying to slip under the radar by not commenting on it at all. I think it's time that's gonna change though. Explain why you made this post, Hallia.

 

[v] Hallia [/v]

[Leyrann]

And then I mean, of course, explain your thought process behind it.

[Darthe]

Excellent, two of my town reads have a valid reason for attacking someone with an opportunistic thread entry.

 

My suspect has dropped off the map.

 

This feels like a good D1.

[Zander?]

Fair enough. First of all, meant EP and not Eldrick! 

 

 

Yay! Finally town!

 

Thank you for breaking the chain, Heart.

I....don't know if I buy it.

God I love Pokemon.

 

Eldrick is town for sure.  Maybe Seph as well.  

 

[v] Zander [/v]

 

Follow me asap or be branded a wolf later

Gross.

Six posters, high likelihood that we already have a wolf in thread.  Not enough to go off of but IMO I'd go ahead and put Eldrick and John snow as town and might drop Seph back to null for being foppish but idk him well enough to really make that assertion yet.  

 

 

Talk to me

Why are you trying to channel Correh?

 

So far Zander's posts look good to me.  

 

 

Here is Hallia's first post. I'm pretty sure by this point we'd all written off Eld as a beginner townie and Hallia tries to throw offhanded suspicion onto him.

At the same point Hallia also tries to divert the suspicions off of Zander without giving reason with another offhanded comment that was placed to look like an "oh by the way I don't really care but..." comment

 

 

 

 

-snip-

I don't follow the conclusions reached in any part of this post. Js gimme your thought process cause atm you look like a wolf reacting to my vote, something you were never great at.

 

 

Alright, lemme walk this through for you then. Pretend for a sec that day actions might have been a thing. It makes more sense that way.

 

 

So for starters you're claiming to be a day cop. People will automatically tend to go "Oh cool we have a day cop" or "Darthe's lying scum, let's kill him."

 

You reinforce the former by posting tons of opinions. People tend to associate people that they agree with (not people that agree with them) as being town. Posting tons of different (if not quite opposing) opinions gives a large chance that people are going to agree with at least some of them as they catch up/read the thread for the first time (considering like half of the people haven't even checked in yet). 

 

Now the above two combine to create a "follow the cop" mentality. Now this works very well for mafia, considering moves (or at least, all of mine) are % shots, so even if any real cop roles we have decide to check you, they could waste a lot of time just getting the % to fire. This also leads into the fact that there's no one to CC the cop role, since with all the different moves, it's feasible that there are multiple pokemon with some sort of cop move. 

 

Now with town following you, you can freely lynch townies for a couple days, maybe even throw in a buddy to appease them, until you have the numbers you need to win. 

 

 

 

Now knowing that the DA is BS shoots this theory to hell. But my second and fourth paragraphs stand without it. Kind of. I still think you're trying to get town to follow you. 

 

I guess this could just be

 

Wow I forgot how much Darthe posts during mafia.

 

-snip-

 

 

 

your new meta. Like I said, it's like 60% a gut feeling without the cop thing.

 

 

Also, you're trying to meta me. That's cute.

 

 

Ewwww. Pretend we had day actions?  Why are you trying to distract with things that are untrue?

 

And ewwww, accusing someone of using meta against you already?

 

Vote: John Snow

 

 

Here Hallia jumps on the slowly building Jon train for the worst logic. It was blatant why he said to pretend DA weren't ruled out, and also the fact that Darthe was making meta-esque comments towards Jon the second half of her post is just silly.

 

Dis. 

 

EP is correct and looks town. Eldrick is noob. Hallia is manipulative. Dice looks town. Darthe is Darthe-ing. Ithi seems town (or seemed anyways, she's gone now ). 

 

is Eldrick really a noob? I was told he was always a wolf?

[Leyrann]

-snip-

 

is Eldrick really a noob? I was told he was always a wolf?

 

Doesn't mean you can't be a noob. I was mafia in my first three games ever, too. Made it quite long in the second, I remember...

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

EP that post of eldricks was pretty obviously a character claim imo. Also how many pokemon are there? like total?

I'm using what I know as a basis for believing it. I have my suspicions on which games this ties in with. If I'm right it means all but X/Y gen are viable.

The only way for you to KNOW this is if your character is from the ruby/sapphire Era

( game before x and y he mentioned)

Because no one has posted anything near a claim except eld. Otherwise it is speculation.

 

 

Actually Heart Gold and Soul Silver were the 2 games that game out before X and Y. The Ruby Saphire re-releases just came out last year.

 

 

 

And seeing if Ithi would try to use it.  She tends to be overzealous as scum so it helps me to get an early good read of her.

 

Oh really? And which Ithi scum game are you referring to?

 

While Eldrick has gone a bit off the rails (making Dice look extremely town in the process to me) I agree with what he had to say about Hallia.

 

[v] Hallia [/v]

 

All of them ever 

 

 

Surprised no one else picked up on that though. Because that was really talking out of you behind cause really who's been around long enough to have a scum meta for Ithi?

 

I've been around long enough to have scum meta on Ithi. I started playing like 2 weeks after she did

[Leyrann]

After two years of never being scum though, that might've changed drastically. Either way it doesn't matter, because she's getting replaced.

[seph]

After two years of never being scum though, that might've changed drastically. Either way it doesn't matter, because she's getting replaced.

Is that true? two years and only rolled town?

[Leyrann]

 

After two years of never being scum though, that might've changed drastically. Either way it doesn't matter, because she's getting replaced.

Is that true? two years and only rolled town?

 

 

It's what she claimed a game or two ago though. Haven't checked it.

[Gabriel Kross]

I want to say the last time I saw her on the mafia team was Nolder's Labrynthe mafia where we recruited her to the mafia. Enough about that though let's focus on the game.

[Gabriel Kross]

wait it wasn't labrynthe disregard.

[Darthe]

Not that any of this conversation matters anyways but I think it was a faulty line of reasoning to begin with since I used it to help establish a read based on my town meta of Ithi as much as my wolf meta of her.  She didn't do things that she would do as wolf, as opposed to doing things she wouldn't do as town.

[Darthe]

Aaand this game hath died.

 

F

[seph]

darthe I am here still, I like how Ley came back and has posted more than most in just his catch up.
I can agree with most of Ley's reads, except I have darthe higher on my reads list.

[Mashiara Sedai]

*lol*  Darthe.  I'm sorry I don't have time to post as often as others do.  I'll try to be more active.

 

So, here's my line of thinking so far...

 

Eldrick struck me as off, but then everyone's pointed out that he's relatively new.  And I know I'm making those same kind of errors, not being experienced in this sort of format.

 

Darthe, he's also made me curious to his motives.  And I'm still a bit confused about the claimed daycop and viewing Ithi/Ithi's replacement.  Was that just for fun to get the conversation going?  Or was it a slip up, and meant to cover something up?  He seems diligent, which is a good sign, I think, unless he's doing it on purpose to hide his guilt.

 

Hallia did come in aggressively, and seemed to vote for someone right away.  Which is fine, if you have that feeling and as far as Day 1 goes, everyone is equally suspicious.  

 

EP is hard to read.  The "hinting" thing between him and Dice escalated so quickly, it seems sort of planned.  

 

Leyrann claimed Pikachu as his pokemon, which I think has to be Town sided.  It's about the most heroic pokemon--as far as the anime goes.  Unless AH was being ironic and made Pikachu belong to a Team Rocket member; I don't know AH's gaming style enough to make a call on that.  Also, Leyrann could easily be lying about having Pikachu.  So, not much to go on here.

 

Zander.... I can't figure out why so many jumped on him at the start.  Just the aggression and the grammar?  More's going on that I'm not aware of, I think.  (I'm bad at reading subtlety.)

 

Seph seems to be working with Zander, or maybe he's working with everyone. 

 

For Jon Snow, I don't see what the fuss is over him.

 

Everyone else I can't get a feel for.

[Zander?]

well for now im wanting to read darthe as a slight town lean.  he seems town-y trying to drive the game and make reads though he could do that both as town or maf. his "claim" even if joking still seems off to me though.

[Darthe]

biggest eyeroll gif

[Gabriel Kross]

well for now im wanting to read darthe as a slight town lean.  he seems town-y trying to drive the game and make reads though he could do that both as town or maf. his "claim" even if joking still seems off to me though.

read as "I'll say I read him town until you guys build a case on him then I'll switch my stance."

[Eldrick4221]

 

And seeing if Ithi would try to use it.  She tends to be overzealous as scum so it helps me to get an early good read of her.

 

Oh really? And which Ithi scum game are you referring to?

 

While Eldrick has gone a bit off the rails (making Dice look extremely town in the process to me) I agree with what he had to say about Hallia.

 

[v] Hallia [/v]

 

How exactly did I go off the rails? I haven't interacted with dice at all. He hasn't done anything to warrant my attention. How has what I said changed your opinion of him?