Sherlock Holmes Role Madness Mafia Town wins

[csarmi]

Me too but I'd still rather lynch Len or Tina. There's no way they aren't Mafia.

 

Pray I'm unsure of. You guys sure that's not a signal?

[csarmi]

Pretty sure Chrak is town BTW. So is BFG. Hally too.

 

If you end up lynching me after all... Don't lynch them ever.

[Pralaya]

Me too but I'd still rather lynch Len or Tina. There's no way they aren't Mafia.

 

Pray I'm unsure of. You guys sure that's not a signal?

 

Not sure about Len. But I can add Dice there instead. Anyway, Tina and Des are lock scum. That last Tina post is just a rehash of everything I am saying about her - playing safe, going against the "popular" targets and the cliched "getting his alignment would help even if he is town" line. 

 

As to the second sentence, what do you think I will say? It definitely was not. 

[hazelkrs1]

Heh, when I started reading Des going back to NotBob's posts, I knew the whole plan is to eventually end up voting me. It was that obvious.

 

You can read my replies to Csarmi on the same vote by Rags. It doesn't even make sense if you look at how Rags tries to "put on record" a scum view at the final few hours of the day. Clearly, he was giving his read there.

 

Des is all over the place and is lock scum here. Trying to piggyback on Csarmi's analysis and using the same to vote me after realising that nobody is going to vote Turin. 

 

How does it not make sense? If you're a Cop and trying to leave breadcrumbs behind of who you've viewed, the timing of when you drop the hint doesn't really matter at all, as long as you get it out before you die.

 

The fact is, he made it clear he was "putting on record" his stance on you, which came out of nowhere that day, as in he hadn't ever previously fos'd you or anything. Even when challenged about it being close to deadline he remained solid in his stance. It did not look like getting out a read at all to me, it looks fairly obviously like a breadcrumb

 

I also remember Csarmi bringing this up making you uncomfortable.

 

 

Locking Pray in as scum

 

I went back to check my old notes and I see that my thoughts hasn´t changed much. I guess that is because we never got a lynch yesterday. It´s easier to evaluate my thoughts when getting confirmed alignments. 

 

 

People that I feel strongly about:

 

Tina - town

 

BFG - I don´t agree with her reads but the way she cc´d Thane on D1 still makes me think she is town. 

 

Turin - I have had a town feeling about him all game. Town

 

Tsuki - I didn´t like him at all in the beginning but after he compared all the lists I changed my mind. He is going after people that I´m suspicious of as well. Town.

 

Krak - Mafia. I don´t understand why he seems to be forgotten. Or I don´t see the reason why he would be town. Reminding everyone again about Chae´s play: defending Thane, making that weird list, claimed a strong pr but selfvoting (a role that Thane listed as a mafia role) and Thane defended her. 

 

Lenlo - Mafia. Some of the resons: The exchange with Ithi when he threathened to FOS her if she said that he overreacted (looks like he knew she was town), something about three mafia members (actually that is something that I found in my notes and I don´t remember what if means but I´m writing it down anyway) and his tunelling on Csarmi. Turin and Tsuki is also tunelling Csarmi in a way but they still comment others as well. 

 

 

 

People that I don´t have much oppinions on (people that I should read more about) and thus is null:

 

Pral - I don´t know about NotBob´s hint/not hint. I´m on the fence because 1) it actually looks like he is giving a clear signal of Pral but 2) by stating it so clear wouldn´t it be a signal to mafia as well? Why would he? Why not say that he found mafia or be quiet about it until the next day?  I need to think about this more. Other than this I don´t remember much about Pral at all.

 

Des - his Turin vote was strange but now he unvoted him. That is the only thing that has stood out to me. I can´t remember much about his play at all. 

 

Dice - he has gone after me in a strange way but that is the only thing that has stood out to me. I never understood the case on X from day one. 

 

 

And now to Csarmi and Hally: 

 

My read on Hally changed during the game. My meta read on her says that she wouldn´t claim like that if she was mafia but she hasn´t showed any signs of scumhunting. Her votes on Tsuki from yesterday was weird. She voted him, realised that she had misunderstood him, unvoted him but followed Csarmi when he voted Tsuki. Today she has just parked her vote there again. I think it was a bad decision to save Csarmi. Well, good for them if both are mafia.

 

Csarmi: It´s the same with him. I believed his claim at first but he hasn´t played good at all and I really don´t understand why he would selfvote but then fight for his life again if town. Turin has had some good points against him. The one thing that is troubling me is that Lenlo is tunelling so on Csarmi since I have Lenlo as mafia.

 

 

Vote Csarmi

 

 

I think it´s a good chance that he is mafia but getting his alignment would help even if he is town. His flip will help with my read on at least Hally and Lenlo. If Csarmi is mafia then I think the case for Hally gets stronger and Lenlo´s gets weaker. The opposite if Csarmi is town. 

 

Also locking in Tina as scum after this post. Her vote on Csarmi is lolbad. She votes him even while saying she has reasonable doubt he might not be scum.

 

WOW.

 

Moar obvious, Tina?

 

Let's vote Despo.

 

He flip flopped on me for bad reasoning both times. Clearing me because char shot at me. Either he knows she is mafia or he shouldn't clear me for that. Cause vigs can be wron and shoot at either faction.

 

Loading now so not.much time.

 

Since apparently I have to spell it out for you-

 

I don't think Chak was blocked N1. She hadn't claimed yet, and if she was town then I don't see why scum would have blocked her there. Makes no sense.

 

It DOES make sense however if her target that night had some kind of protection, "blocking" the shot. Basically I think you're either Doc or you have a BPV or something. In either case, I think this makes you far more likely to be town. We haven't seen any extra deaths any night, so I don't see why a scummer would have a BPV (having one to block a single JOAT shot is dumb and doesn't seem worth it).

 

Vigs can be wrong and shoot at either faction, but if there target stays alive, it DOES point to that target being town in this scenario

 

And if he has chae mafia for shooting at me then that should be hos strongest read. But he is voting Pralaya on weak reasoning of a possible view hint.

 

Despo is definitely mafia.

 

Le sigh. I haven't had Chak as scum for a couple of days now. I don't have her/him as mafia because they shot you. I simply said for this not to clear you, you two would have to be mafia together (and that Chak completely lied about being "blocked"), and I personally don't see that.

 

When Krak lied down with his "Fair enough" post it made me think he was town after all. Also, I felt I had to get a different perspective on the game since Chae/Csarmi/Hallia didn't seem as confident a pick for the scum team anymore. Once both Chak and Csarmi started seeming townie, the connections between the and Hallia didn't seem as strong PLUS Hallia then saved Csarmi, it all spelled out that I was looking at the game in the wrong way

[hazelkrs1]

So def sticking with Pray/Tsuki/Tina now. Pray is flustered that Rags left a hint behind incriminating him, and Tsuki and Tina both continued the antagonistic push against Csarmi again today (acting like his self-vote was that significant even tho it was for CONSOLIDATION). All three are LOCK SCUM for me.

 

My town reads: BFG for the boldness of her CC earlier in the game, and tho she hasn't been super active when she has posted she's made very good posts, Turin since I think he's Doc or some other kind of protective role, Csarmi who looks like a Miller after all, especially considering the dogmatic pushes against him for a while now, Chak who I think now played a bad game when Chae was in the game, but after Krak took over I think they haven't looked like scrambling scum, and have posted in a reasonable manner, and Hallia who again I think displayed bad judgement with how she claimed and then used her role BUT saved a likely townie so thinking she's town.

 

My only nulls are Dice 2.0, who's enthusiasm at reentering the game seemed >rand to be townie to me, but is stuck on Hallia tunnel now for a little while, would be nice to get his thoughts on my scum reads, and Lenlo, who hasn't played a good game at all but I think it's possible Ithi/Rags viewed him N1 (I showed that in my spewhunt on Rags)

[Tsukibana]

So def sticking with Pray/Tsuki/Tina now. Pray is flustered that Rags left a hint behind incriminating him, and Tsuki and Tina both continued the antagonistic push against Csarmi again today (acting like his self-vote was that significant even tho it was for CONSOLIDATION). All three are LOCK SCUM for me.

 

And if I flip Town, who is scum? Cause we are running short on mislynches. That is what I want to know - I WILL flip town, but if I do so, who is the Scum? See, the point of this game is NOT for your best buddy, townie, bondee to live, it is for your TEAM to win. So, If I flip Town, who is scum?

[Niniel]

Doesn´t take much to change your mind, Des?

 

 

Right here.

Well I can't wait much longer.

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[V]Csarmi[/v]

Yea I have voted the highest (and likely only viable) train 26 minutes before deadline.

 

 

No resignation and it is pretty clear from context. It seemed to me that we won't be able to get the Tina lynch and deadline was close so I consolidated.

No idea why I have to spell this out.

Just the fact that I stayed around instead of locking my vote in and go to sleep at 10pm (deadline was at 3am) should be telling.

 

 

Its evident to me that Tina either didn't read the events in context (or at all) or she's trying to spin it.

 

Ehm, actually I didn´t. It looked weird that you selfvoted, just to get saved by Hallia. But, as you say, I don´t see why you would go up in the night to vote yourself if you were mafia, when you could have let it go random. If you really are town then I think Hallia is as well. If so then I want to go after Krak or Lenlo.  I need to think about this. I might come back to you.

 

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[Niniel]

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[Niniel]

Still, if Hally is town, why would she vote Tsuki that way yesterday? Hally, explain why you are voting Tsuki and why you voted him, unvoted him and voted him again yesterday. 

[Niniel]

Wait, now I´m confused. I went back to look and Hally voted Krak with me yesterday. The Tsuki votes were earlier. Okay, then my question to Hally is why she is voting Tsuki today again and not Krak. 

[dicetosser1]

 

Me too but I'd still rather lynch Len or Tina. There's no way they aren't Mafia.

 

Pray I'm unsure of. You guys sure that's not a signal?

 

Not sure about Len. But I can add Dice there instead. Anyway, Tina and Des are lock scum. That last Tina post is just a rehash of everything I am saying about her - playing safe, going against the "popular" targets and the cliched "getting his alignment would help even if he is town" line. 

 

As to the second sentence, what do you think I will say? It definitely was not. 

 

 

So im in your scum pile along with Tina who I started voting yesterday and still have   even more so after her recent posts as mafia? Any actual reason? and Des is mafia because.....??? 

 

 

Rags spew (I left Ithi out since she was mainly only active on D1, if I'm not mistaken she replaced out before really saying much D2 at all):

 

Well, I'm trying to read through people but it's a pain until someone reminds me how to solo search for a person's posts.  Did a search of everything involving Lenlo which is giving me a bit of a feel for things so far even though it involves a lot of other people's posts.

 

Such as Chae voting Len for no discernible reason and evidently trying to get people away from Thane.  Thane being loltastic.  Early townie lean on Lenlo.  And Des is pregnant.

 

 

Just finished Lenlo.  Townie lean, Thane and Chae have been his top two pretty consistently, seems to be trying to solve the game.  I did notice the fence sitting, but it came across as a townie who trusts his reads more than a scum acting like they are just so distraught.

 

Working on Chaelca right now as both you and Len have named her as top scum suspect.

 

So Mynd did the gladiator?  That...is hilarious.

 

On Hallia...was she pushed into claiming that or was it out of nowhere?  And how did she act once she claimed?

Why notbob?

 

The fact that his first two posts in the game he reiterates a town lean on Lenlo could be a hint of a Lenlo viewing... another explanation tho could be that he focused on Lenlo first for the reasons he gave- that Chae voting Lenlo for no reason looked weird and stuff.

 

Got through Turin.  Townie lean, but I just have this bad juju feel.  Dunno how to put my finger on it.

 

The wording of this seemed a bit odd to me, could have been a hint left behind... plus I also could see Ithi viewing Turin N1 since D1 she was still wary of him and I can see her wanting to make sure on her bonded

 

So for the N1 viewing I see it being either Turin or Lenlo

 

 

What about your "results" Rags?

Absolutely no reason for me to give out anything right now. 

 

 

This was during D3, Rags never seemed to leave any hints before this and this post seems to support that, that he hadn't hinted at it yet

 

Back and doing a bit more reading.  I'm really skeptical of some of the people on Tina.  Looking through Csarmi, Chrak and Pray again

 

This is the first time he's brought up Pray as a scumread, never mentioned him before this

 

Both.  Skeptical of Csarmi's claim, Krak considering how Chae acted, and Pray defended Csarmi's 'work' and said she thinks Chrak is town.  As for the train itself, I think it is trying to take advantage of Tina (supposedly) simply not being able to be as active.

 

This reasoning could have been the justification for the Pray read...

 

[v]Prayala[/v]

 

Believes Csarmi with little questioning that I saw.

Some of her read changes are all over the place with odd reasoning imo.  Goes from Hallia is scum to town to Thane prolly expected Hallia to save him, Chae as mafia to believing Krak cause he claimed to be RBed.

Thane as town.

Reason to vote mynd is expended gladiator.

Weird comments about how Len should have named 4 scum.

All over Tina because this hasn't been a town Tina but gives no explanation.

 

Here he votes Pray and gives a little case on him

 

Next post is SUPER significant tho imo

 

 

 

[v]Prayala[/v]

 

 

 

How is this vote Pro-Town this close to DL? Do you believe you can get him lynched?

 

Not necessarily, prolly won't keep my vote there the whole time as CS or Chrak are the two viable options imo.  I did want to get it on the record though.

 

 

So Tsuki challenges Rags on the Pray vote, not too long before deadline, and with the last bit I feel Rags was trying to hit us over the head with making it clear it was a hint- I am TOTALLY sold on Rags viewing Pray as scum N2 now

 

[v]Pray[/v]

 

Incidentally, this fits moar with my new view of the thread- Csarmi now seems to be town to me, so Tsuki looked scummy for his hardcore and antagonistic push against Csarmi. Add to that that he defends Pray out of nowhere, and I can def see a Pray/Tsuki scum pairing. Also add to that that my strongest town read in the game, BFG, put out a pretty good case on Tsuki being scum

 

As for the last slot... well I wanna view Thane spew myself (not right now, need to try and scramble to get caught up in other games in the less than 15 mins I have left), but Csarmi may have been right about Thane spewing Tina as his scummate with his "random" choosing of her. She also seemed a bit opportunistic in questioning my Turin vote, but eh that could be OMGUS. Still wary of Hallia too, even with a Csarmi town read, as I don't think using it on a teammate would have worked as well (what if there's someone saving a 1X Vig shot for when they REALLY know who scum might be?) once it was so out in the open

 

Regardless, I think we should lynch Pray and Tsuki now, they're easily my top two candidates for scum.

 

Des  this post just got you into my town list. I can see what you are saying in regards to rags, and his late thing about Pray stood out to me too. I was gonna pressure him about it today. Your thinking is speculative, it has to be cause you aint rags, but it is logical and possible.

 

I have had Csarmi Town since his claim. It was open and immeadiate and in the best interests of town.

I dont believe Hallia but i seem to be the only one. and no i can come out of the tunnel as you will see in a mo.

Len just hasn't given anything really. Hes null for me. seems to barely be here.

 

I have already voted Tina once and while that was for pressure, i have already said i didn't like her responses.

Between this post of your and Prays post i quoted above i am now quite happy to vote him.

I already banged heads with Tsuki once. His constant hassling for Csarmi has me feeling bad about him but he would be a mafia lean atm. Im not totally confident

 

unvote  vote Pray

[Lenlo]

 

Len just hasn't given anything really. Hes null for me. seems to barely be here.

 

 

Barely be here? Ive been here just as much as you mate.

[dicetosser1]

i wasnt meaning to be insulting len  just i really cant remember anything from you and at one point i forgot you were playing.

[Lenlo]

i wasnt meaning to be insulting len  just i really cant remember anything from you and at one point i forgot you were playing.

Oh I understand, id say never assume im offended from something, because I very very very rarely am.

[hazelkrs1]

 

So def sticking with Pray/Tsuki/Tina now. Pray is flustered that Rags left a hint behind incriminating him, and Tsuki and Tina both continued the antagonistic push against Csarmi again today (acting like his self-vote was that significant even tho it was for CONSOLIDATION). All three are LOCK SCUM for me.

 

And if I flip Town, who is scum? Cause we are running short on mislynches. That is what I want to know - I WILL flip town, but if I do so, who is the Scum? See, the point of this game is NOT for your best buddy, townie, bondee to live, it is for your TEAM to win. So, If I flip Town, who is scum?

 

 

I'll admit you aren't quite as lock scum for me as the other two, but you're not even the one I'm voting today. There's always more time for tinfoiling as the game unfolds.

 

Are you seriously gonna keep sticking to Csarmi as lock scum however, even considering how he's acted the past few days? You think he'd use his rl health issues to try and garner sympathy as scum?

[dicetosser1]

cool

 

fist bump

[Tsukibana]

 

 

So def sticking with Pray/Tsuki/Tina now. Pray is flustered that Rags left a hint behind incriminating him, and Tsuki and Tina both continued the antagonistic push against Csarmi again today (acting like his self-vote was that significant even tho it was for CONSOLIDATION). All three are LOCK SCUM for me.

 

And if I flip Town, who is scum? Cause we are running short on mislynches. That is what I want to know - I WILL flip town, but if I do so, who is the Scum? See, the point of this game is NOT for your best buddy, townie, bondee to live, it is for your TEAM to win. So, If I flip Town, who is scum?

 

 

I'll admit you aren't quite as lock scum for me as the other two, but you're not even the one I'm voting today. There's always more time for tinfoiling as the game unfolds.

 

Are you seriously gonna keep sticking to Csarmi as lock scum however, even considering how he's acted the past few days? You think he'd use his rl health issues to try and garner sympathy as scum?

 

At this stage, I am not even really focused on CS, tbh. He is here, so I interact with him. I would like to drop Hallia, Chak, and Pray, in that order.

[Turin Turambar]

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[V] Despo [/v]

 

Pralaya is town. Trust me on this

 

I'm Dr. Watson.

 

Despo, if you thought I must be the doctor then why in the seven seas would you #Yolo vote me? And then why would you broadcast that to the thread? A townie would have kept there mouth shut there.

 

Csarmi, if you truly doubted rags lestrade claim why did you ask him for results? In fact you queried both investigators about things. You also asked NotBob about his magic 8 ball post. Each following night they died.

[Basel Gill]

Vote count:

 

Csarmi (2): Len, Tsuki

pray (3): csarmi, Des, Dice

Tsuki (2): Hally, BFG

Des (2): pray, Turin

 

Not voting (2): Krak, Tina

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

DL is Wed. Jul. 2nd at 9 PM EST.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140702T21&p0=422

[dicetosser1]

turin have you previously protected Pral?

 

unvote for now

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Vote count:

 

Csarmi (2): Len, Tsuki

pray (2): csarmi, Des

Tsuki (2): Hally, BFG

Des (2): pray, Turin

 

Not voting (3): Krak, Tina, dice

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

DL is Wed. Jul. 2nd at 9 PM EST.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140702T21&p0=422

[Turin Turambar]

@dice, NO. Not gonna discuss my actions at present. Not seeing how that would be helpful.

 

Mods. As much as I would like to vote both Despo and Csarmi I don't think I'm allowed to.

 

Totally on Basel, just sayin'

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

.... Don't know what you're talkin bout Willis

 

[dicetosser1]

then tell me why you are so adamant that Pray is town

[Turin Turambar]

Because I am.

 

Do you believe I am Dr. Watson and town? If you do then Trust me. If you don't. Then I assume that you.must think I am mafia. In that case you should consider voting me.