Sherlock Holmes Role Madness Mafia Town wins

[Tsukibana]

[v]Chak[/v]

 

Wanna see something...

[dicetosser1]

im starting to waffle on chak.  Would still lynch at DL if needed but not sure enuff now to push a lynch on him/her

[hazelkrs1]

Despo do you seriously try to get away with trying to line up those lynches?

 

Get @ me then...

 

I'm all but confirmed town but whatever.

 

Seriously guys what are you even doing?

 

I have a headache from rolling my eyes so much at you acting like you're a confirmed Miller. Just gross.

 

 

I believe he also said Thane wouldn't have known what roles the scum team had... even tho I clearly showed how that was likely Thane signaling to his teammates (calling out Chae/Krak's role as well as a GF, which I believed to be Hallia but meh, could be Lenlo or Pray)

How in hell does that fly?

You clearly showed? Wtf man. That's completely unsubstantiated and you trying to use that as evidence against me is bad.

 

Again, why would Chae claim JOAT in that instance? It's pretty obvious that she wouldn't have. And now you believe that she(I) is(am) the scum JOaT? I seem to remember you disregarding her claim (please prove me wrong if I am). You trying to push me as scum JOAT is so bad.

 

 

Yes, I clearly showed. Right here:

 

Srs do. We will NEVER know exactly how much Thane knew about his team.

 

But consider this-

 

Thane, an admitted newbie who is still learning the ropes of this game (<3 you tho bud, don't quit on us, just get a mentor or something that can help you out a bit), comes into a ROLE MADNESS game, and starts acting like he thinks he has a handle on what roles will be in the game (and lists JOAT and GF).

 

 

Someone else (Chae) comes forward after initially soft defending him, and hardcore defends him because she thinks he has extra information bout the setup EVEN THO HE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED VANILLA (Irene Adler VT but let's not go down that road again)

 

 

She THEN clarifies later on that she is, in fact, a JOAT which is why she defended him like she did. One of the roles he named the scum team would have.

 

 

And then he flips Symp

 

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It could not get ANY MOAR obvious imo that Chae's team realized he was a symp, so she kind of sillily tried defending him. It worked too, for a while, till GOATDESPOT showed up and smacked some sense into yall.

 

Any who refrain from voting Chae/Krak from this point forward will be claiming scum in my eyes.

 

 

And why do you think that post is more likely his call out post than the one where he went

 

"And there's probably scum amongst the lurkers, eeny meeny meiny Tina."

 

Give me a break.

 

 

 

Also answer me this, how would Thane have known mafia roles? You think he had access to the QT?

 

I already said, to me that was him obviously fake scumhunting. If anything, that made me LESS suspicious of Tina, not more.

 

To think that a symp would lazily call out his teammates like that is mind boggling. To try and convince others that he did that is scummy as hell.

 

There's only been ONE time I have seen a symp do that, and it's already been referenced. One game Tiinker was a symp, and he called out every one of his teammates in a post, and like whoever brought this up said, once he got lynched town just lynched every single one of the names and got it right every single time.

 

This was a once in a lifetime kind of derp, and there was enough scolding and raving about it afterwards that I would never bet on that happening again. Thane likely wasn't around to see that, but still, I don't think it's wise to bet on Thane derping that hard like Tiink did.

 

As for how he knew the roles..... cause he was told them? If he didn't know who the actual scum were, but knew their roles, that could have been him signaling to his team so he'd get recruited (if he could be recruited)

 

That theory has a lot more supporting it, considering Chae's defense of him, than just picking out one post where he gave some "reads" and try to act like that was him calling out his teammates, even tho his reads flopped around a lot from what I remember.

[BFG]

Heh, good news is that we are rocking our client visit, bad news is I might be slightly hangover tomorrow for work :(

 

Csarmi can you explain when you changed your opinion on early hammers?

 

Des can you explain the focus on Thane's character claim? The only other game I can think of when you cared about characters was Walking Dead.

 

Lenlo can you explain the difference between Thane and Dawn's initial response to Csarmi's claim.

 

Krak what's your read on Turin?

 

Turin, if you believe Chae/Krak shot you, doesn't that seem strong to you, given we currently have no evidence pointing to a Town Vig (2 NK going to mafia and none to Town seems strong?)

 

Tsuki why would you think mafia have a BG? Or did you mean a BPV?

 

I'm going to read a bit more and try to remember my other questions...

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Vote count:

 

csarmi (2): Turin, Len

chak (4): des, Tina, hally, Tsuki

des (1): csarmi

Tina (2): : dice, pray

 

Not voting (3): Chak, Rags, BFG

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

 

DL is Fri. June 27th at 9 PM

 

Http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140627T21&p0=422

[BFG]

Oh, mods are roles in this game standard to mafia wiki?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

@ BFG PAFO but note "Role Madness"

[BFG]

Ok, thanks

 

Mafia wiki has a detective as somebody who can see if someone has the potential to kill anyone, it seems to be a sorta partner role to psychiatrist who can see if anybody has killed someone.

 

But somebody else said it was a town version of a role cop, so shrug.

[Tsukibana]

Heh, good news is that we are rocking our client visit, bad news is I might be slightly hangover tomorrow for work :(

 

Csarmi can you explain when you changed your opinion on early hammers?

 

Des can you explain the focus on Thane's character claim? The only other game I can think of when you cared about characters was Walking Dead.

 

Lenlo can you explain the difference between Thane and Dawn's initial response to Csarmi's claim.

 

Krak what's your read on Turin?

 

Turin, if you believe Chae/Krak shot you, doesn't that seem strong to you, given we currently have no evidence pointing to a Town Vig (2 NK going to mafia and none to Town seems strong?)

 

Tsuki why would you think mafia have a BG? Or did you mean a BPV?

 

I'm going to read a bit more and try to remember my other questions...

 

Huh? Oh, Bodyguard - To help Moriarty cheat death, of course.

[BFG]

Rags, why weren't you voting Thane yesterday after saying you read the thread assuming he was mafia?

 

And while on voting, there's a gap between Tsuki unvoting and voting Thane? At that stage it was his train or yours?

[Tsukibana]

Is that a question?

[BFG]

 

Heh, good news is that we are rocking our client visit, bad news is I might be slightly hangover tomorrow for work :(

 

Csarmi can you explain when you changed your opinion on early hammers?

 

Des can you explain the focus on Thane's character claim? The only other game I can think of when you cared about characters was Walking Dead.

 

Lenlo can you explain the difference between Thane and Dawn's initial response to Csarmi's claim.

 

Krak what's your read on Turin?

 

Turin, if you believe Chae/Krak shot you, doesn't that seem strong to you, given we currently have no evidence pointing to a Town Vig (2 NK going to mafia and none to Town seems strong?)

 

Tsuki why would you think mafia have a BG? Or did you mean a BPV?

 

I'm going to read a bit more and try to remember my other questions...

 

Huh? Oh, Bodyguard - To help Moriarty cheat death, of course.

 

But a BG would die in his place, effectively giving whoever shot at him a 'free' mafia, (as who else would a mafia protect?) can maybe see a mafia doc or bpv, but mafia BG seems a bit of a bastard role.

[BFG]

Yes, why was there such a gap between your unvote and vote? I thought Thane had been a mafia read of yours?

[BFG]

Didn't get very far, but paracetamol and bed

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

*****modspeak*****

 

general and very serious reminder - please DO NOT REFER TO ONGOING GAMES !

 

except this one :)

 

in this one.

 

carry on.

[dicetosser1]

Ok, thanks

 

Mafia wiki has a detective as somebody who can see if someone has the potential to kill anyone, it seems to be a sorta partner role to psychiatrist who can see if anybody has killed someone.

 

But somebody else said it was a town version of a role cop, so shrug.

 

blue  isnt that a gunsmith? i think thats the name

[Turin Turambar]

LOL @Cindy.

 

I refuse to talk about this game

 

Just kidding

 

I nominate Ithilnarok for Rags. He should not be left out of the hijinx.

[Turin Turambar]

I looked it up on epicmafia and got that it was essentially a role cop there. I asked the mods and got PAFO (in a very nice way)

 

BFG, I am having difficulty reconciling that slot's NA choices. I mean using a Vig shot on anyone other than your stated only mafia read is baffling. Then to "cop" Ithilnarok makes as little sense to me as both Ithi and Rags have been uber townie to me. The claim of being blocked seems odd to me. Plus the interaction noted between Chae and Thane. Krak has not wowed me with townie behavior so far either.

 

Note I am still voting Csarmi because I do not believe his claim. I dislike how he is trying to portray himself as confirmed town when he is not. He is even pushing that there is no way that fake role claims could have been given out. I actually find that might be a better twist than fake characters since it appears some characters are grey. (Take Adler for instance). I think there are only a handful of certain characters. And one of those is already dead.

 

Dice. I'm always town. LOL.

[TheRagnarok]

Rags, why weren't you voting Thane yesterday after saying you read the thread assuming he was mafia?

 

And while on voting, there's a gap between Tsuki unvoting and voting Thane? At that stage it was his train or yours?

Because I had a number of people I still had to read through and didn't feel like making a vote until I had a chance to get a better feel for who said what when.  And then Thane died.

[TheRagnarok]

LOL @Cindy.

 

I refuse to talk about this game

 

Just kidding

 

I nominate Ithilnarok for Rags. He should not be left out of the hijinx.

Ragnillian?

[Turin Turambar]

Well everyone else started with the original player so I was keeping that format. I guess you can choose for yourself since you would be answering to it.

[dicetosser1]

yes you are always town turin

 

 

 

 

except when you are mafia

 

 

 

or third party

 

 

 

[Krakalakachkn]

Alright, just caught up

 

I feel like I asked some peeps some questions that never got answered.... or that might have been in another game. Anyhoo

 

Krak claiming to be blocked "again" stinks to high heaven. Someone explain to me why he hasn't been lynched yet? I believe he also said Thane wouldn't have known what roles the scum team had... even tho I clearly showed how that was likely Thane signaling to his teammates (calling out Chae/Krak's role as well as a GF, which I believed to be Hallia but meh, could be Lenlo or Pray)

 

Csarmi is sticking to try and convince everyone that Thane pulled a Tiinker and called out every one of his teammates in a single post. He also claimed earlier that I wasn't changing my reads, even tho he mentioned my changing stance on him in his "case" on me. Again, why is he still alive?

 

It doesn't get moar confirmed than Chae/Krak and Csarmi people. Last scum is in Lenlo, Pray, or Hallia.

 

Why would I not be blocked if I was JOAT?  I know I wouldn't take that chance as scum, especially claimed D1.  If anything it might lend credence to Len being scum since he was Chae's solid scum read and lord knows why she targeted Turin as so many have pointed out.

 

 

Okay so this is a bit of tinfoiling, but also eh, could actually be something:

 

What if Csarmi is a GF? Claiming Miller seems to be the dumbest move ever as a GF, but at the same time mebbe he did it for ultimate wifom or something? That way if a Cop viewed him, he could discredit the cop claim?

 

I dunno, it's a stretch, but if Lenlo is scum I don't see why he would be so obvious as to switch his vote from Chak, who he's had as scum for so long (Chae called Lenlo out as her ONLY scum read D1 remember, even tho she tried shooting Turin instead), and vote Csarmi instead, unless it's some weird backwards distancing or something

 

I doubt he would do that in a Role Madness game.  Killing the cop isn't worth losing the GF.

 

 

 

I can believe kraks play so far. Him getting blocked today was more or less certain if the scum had a RB. His N1 block ringing true is more of a gut feel.

 

 

Looking a bit opportunistic here.

 

 

 

 

I believe he also said Thane wouldn't have known what roles the scum team had... even tho I clearly showed how that was likely Thane signaling to his teammates (calling out Chae/Krak's role as well as a GF, which I believed to be Hallia but meh, could be Lenlo or Pray)

How in hell does that fly?

You clearly showed? Wtf man. That's completely unsubstantiated and you trying to use that as evidence against me is bad.

 

Again, why would Chae claim JOAT in that instance? It's pretty obvious that she wouldn't have. And now you believe that she(I) is(am) the scum JOaT? I seem to remember you disregarding her claim (please prove me wrong if I am). You trying to push me as scum JOAT is so bad.

 

 

Yes, I clearly showed. Right here:

 

Srs do. We will NEVER know exactly how much Thane knew about his team.

 

But consider this-

 

Thane, an admitted newbie who is still learning the ropes of this game (<3 you tho bud, don't quit on us, just get a mentor or something that can help you out a bit), comes into a ROLE MADNESS game, and starts acting like he thinks he has a handle on what roles will be in the game (and lists JOAT and GF).

 

 

Someone else (Chae) comes forward after initially soft defending him, and hardcore defends him because she thinks he has extra information bout the setup EVEN THO HE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED VANILLA (Irene Adler VT but let's not go down that road again)

 

 

She THEN clarifies later on that she is, in fact, a JOAT which is why she defended him like she did. One of the roles he named the scum team would have.

 

 

And then he flips Symp

 

-____________________________________________-

 

It could not get ANY MOAR obvious imo that Chae's team realized he was a symp, so she kind of sillily tried defending him. It worked too, for a while, till GOATDESPOT showed up and smacked some sense into yall.

 

Any who refrain from voting Chae/Krak from this point forward will be claiming scum in my eyes.

 

 

And why do you think that post is more likely his call out post than the one where he went

 

"And there's probably scum amongst the lurkers, eeny meeny meiny Tina."

 

Give me a break.

 

 

 

Also answer me this, how would Thane have known mafia roles? You think he had access to the QT?

 

I already said, to me that was him obviously fake scumhunting. If anything, that made me LESS suspicious of Tina, not more.

 

To think that a symp would lazily call out his teammates like that is mind boggling. To try and convince others that he did that is scummy as hell.

 

There's only been ONE time I have seen a symp do that, and it's already been referenced. One game Tiinker was a symp, and he called out every one of his teammates in a post, and like whoever brought this up said, once he got lynched town just lynched every single one of the names and got it right every single time.

 

This was a once in a lifetime kind of derp, and there was enough scolding and raving about it afterwards that I would never bet on that happening again. Thane likely wasn't around to see that, but still, I don't think it's wise to bet on Thane derping that hard like Tiink did.

 

As for how he knew the roles..... cause he was told them? If he didn't know who the actual scum were, but knew their roles, that could have been him signaling to his team so he'd get recruited (if he could be recruited)

 

That theory has a lot more supporting it, considering Chae's defense of him, than just picking out one post where he gave some "reads" and try to act like that was him calling out his teammates, even tho his reads flopped around a lot from what I remember.

 

 

 

Fair enough.

 

 

 

 

 

I'll say that I still don't like how Ithi laid back on D1 and let Turin do most of the bloodhound work after turning that 180 on Thane, but I'm also tired and my mind keeps wandering.  I'll get on in the morning and be around most of the day.  

 

 

 

 

I'm going to [v]Rags[/v] for now because I want to actually place a vote.  Will revisit tomorrow.

[TheRagnarok]

Being voted for cause I took over for someone who did a 180 when that is evidently not unusual?  I can say I've been voted for for worse reasons.

 

Busy day today, will be able to read some more tomorrow and narrow down my vote.

[Turin Turambar]

Krak, voting my tip top town read is not making me think you are town.

 

At least you are admitting that your N1 action seems to be mishandled.

Unfortunately, so was your N2 action. I guess the good news is you are drawing the blocks and allowing others to perform their jobs. Hopefully it will bear fruit soon.