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Basel Gill

By Basel Gill
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BFG Spam Master

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It shouldn't. Silver tongue statements should be read as I'd they were vanilla town (or favourably).

Thought, ST always showed as true - in House game, Hallia would be able to truthfully claim to be a Mason, maybe that's something else that also depends on the mods?

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1. Thrax(getting replaced) is mafia. too much defending early on and there was something else I am forgetting right now.

2. Len is town. I am really not sure but in the face of things I am gonna lean he is more likely just being argumentative.

3. Mynd is dead. flipped town 1x gladiator. His play still makes no sense to me. I may be paranoid here but I am wondering if the mafia may have had a janitor/after lynch tailor type ability. That tinfoil for another time tho I think.

4. Dawn NotBob is town. this is a null call for me. He is very cryptic in his words and I can never get a true read on him.

5. Tina is mafia. very flip flopy in her reads on Mynd and Ithi yesterday. making the vote when it was pretty clear that it was going to go that way. 

6. Turin is town. It is known.

7. Despo is town. Although he needs to stop celebrating the spurs and get to work. My Kings won too but I am here.

8. Hally is mafia. The entire way her claim went down was more in line with a mafia motivation to me. Also her talk of leaning Ithi town the whole way but her actions of supporting Mynd don't sit well. 

9. Chae is Town. This one is close but I don't think I see her and Csarmi as mafia teammates. It looked more like he was following/buddying a townie for cred.

10. Ithi is town. Not because she is Ithi but because she is Town!Ithi.

11. Thane is town. I must say that I am still not impressed with his disappearance. Chae can you get him back?

12. Tsuki is mafia. Actually this depends on some other reads and how they pan out. so it is conditional but gotta be definitive.

13. Dice is town. I think. He hasn't said anything crazy yet tho so he might be hiding and buddying me and Ithi.

14. Charis/BFG is mafia. I am concerned about the cc and the way it happened. kind of like checking to make sure no one else cc'ed first. 

15. Pral is town. this is a bit of a null for me as well. I do like that he isn't bothered that his reads don't match the crowd. 

16. Salami is mafia. He is at best a miller, but if he were such he would be doing more to show he is town. I don't like him sheeping Chae on Len and then calling me out as following Ithi excessively. Also the asking for full claims in the match was a bit much. 

 

 

It really should be about who you think is mafia not whether their claim makes sense. That is one thing that pinged so hard about Mynd. along with his too slippery answers. And NEVER giving complete reads despite multiple attempts to get them from him. 

 

Other than Csarmi and BFG, I pretty much agree with this list.

 

I don't see Csarmi claim miller in a role madness game with the possibility of cop, role cop, LD etc. Also, don't see scum wasting a counterclaim on a VT.

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Turin Turambar

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@ Pral, irt BFG and Thane then, do you think they are both VT, or do think Thane is mafia/3rd party?

 

 

About Csarmi I just think that it would be the perfect thing to truly abuse his meta by doing. Although a mafia flip from Mynd would have made that more likely I suppose. I just can't believe he was town. I need to get over it I guess.

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This is the picture I was having of Mynd and Len and Hallia yesterday.

 

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Mynd and his Myndions.

Hey im no ones minion! I went freelance.

 

That's Hallia in the background whacking Len around the head.

Why am I the one that gets whacked?!

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csarmi

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1. Thrax is Mafia.

2. Len is Mafia.

3. Mynd is dead.

4. Dawn NotBob is town. Slight lean.

5. Tina is town. Slight lean.

6. Turin is Mafia. Strong lean. Might change if I get to re read.

7. Despo is Mafia. If I have to guess that is.

8. Hally is town. Probably.

9. Chae is town. Strong read. Wouldn't say confirmed tho.

10. Ithi is town. If I have to guess. Very unsure, could go both ways. Keep second guessing myself.

11. Thane is Mafia. Or derptown. Leaning Mafia it's just too much. Especially as he kind of gone with pressure.

12. Tsuki is Mafia.

13. Dice is town. Maybe. Just maybe. Usually find him out as scum. Didn't stand our for now. I can slightly recall smth fishy don't remember what.

14. Charis/BFG is town. I liked the claim.

15. Pral is town. Like his play.

16. Salami is town. I'm town Miller. Claimed somewhere early. I think my name is Thaddeus Sholto or smth like that. On phone lol.

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What I have read so far has me SMHing to an unbelievable extent.

You don't know man! You weren't there!

 

 

 

And I'd do a list but I'm on a deadline with a book I have to edit.

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csarmi

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I actually have no idea Des. Don't remember your posts much. There was something I didn't like about your play but you're mostly null. And not here.

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csarmi

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What I have read so far has me SMHing to an unbelievable extent.

You don't know man! You weren't there!

 

 

 

And I'd do a list but I'm on a deadline with a book I have to edit.

Took me five minutes.

hazelkrs1 Spam Master

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YAYAYAYEEEAAAHHHHH all caught up. Schweet.

 

Okay first thing I wanna do is apologize for my activity level- there are a number of very good reasons it's been low lately (baby crazy, following my Spurs winning championship (congrats to your Kings Turin! :biggrin: ), and have noticed I've been fairly effective in mafia lately when I actually try less, as crazy as that sounds, plus I was off last night and tonight), but none of that really matters to yall. I'm off one more night, and will put forth much more effort again once I'm back at work, but yeah, sorry everyone.

 

Second thing, before I get into game thoughts, is that I personally have seen games filled with FAR more vitriol than this one, and people still not react in the way people have this game. In fact, I'd say this game has been pretty tame, as far as personal attacks and stuff go. I really think the MOST important rule in mafia is to remember everything is relative, and that your perception of a phrase or word may be different than someone else's, and that you should NOT take things too seriously or too personal and remember IT'S A GAME. I don't think anyone crossed any lines or anything during the whole back and forth between Ithi and Mynd.

 

Okay as far as game thoughts go: I was def staggered to see Mynd flip town. To me, what he did made no sense from a town perspective, prematurely issuing a Thunderdome like that, and I thought he went from bussing Thane (using the character claim as basis to do this, which felt completely forced) to then trying to save him by derailing the game to be about Ithi and Mynd. I really thought he would have shaken more rust off by now. Anyhoo.

 

I still think Ithi and Turin are town. I think they made a big mistake in shifting from Thane to Mynd, but so far everything about their play in totality supports them being town. Have pressured multiple people, have reacted naturally, and haven't slipped up that I've seen. Along with this, I am pretty much convinced Hallia is scum. I think she came in and claimed Governor in an incredibly scummy way- acting like she was confirmed, and that she would use her ability if everyone thought the two were both town. Imo she was trying to act like town's best bud, white knighting both Ithi AND Mynd (while flip flopping on Ithi being scum or not due to tone, even tho imo Ithi's tone has been exactly the same this game as any other in memory), and then using the "twilight" phase said by the mods to confirm her role. This way, she gets to look like town savior Hallia, while also not actually having to use her ability (so she can save a teammate later on). It's true that scum Governors are very powerful, but in a role madness game I'm sure town has plenty to reciprocate.

 

Since it does look like it was a big episode of town on town violence yesterday, the obvious place to look for scum would be the instigators, those in the shadows who tried to act null or indecisive about the whole affair. Tina would fit this bill imo, during the whole shebang I remember a very fence-sittingy post from her. I can retrieve it in a bit. I also think the way Thane disappeared after being focused on for so long only does more to incriminate him- the fact that Mynd used his role to save Thane just has me laughing honestly. He prob played right into scum's hands by going all emo about Ithi and Turin's focus on him.

 

I also think that we're in a surprisingly good place now, we had a very productive day 1, and I think there's plenty of info and interactions that will continue to be helpful as the game goes along. BFG for instance, looks solidly cleared imo, for thinking her VT claim would confirm Thane as scum. Chae still looks awful for her defense of Thane and setup talk (which makes Csarmi dubious because of him blindly following her), altho I will say that I don't recall Lenlo being very involved in the Thunderdome, mainly complained about it happening at all and not being able to vote his scumreads, which looked to me like mock outrage so if he is indeed scum, Chae would look a little better as she doesn't seem the type to bus out of nowhere. My town read on Tsuki has gone down a good bit- his passion and tone seemed genuine early on, but his posts seemed rather bemused during the whole Thunderdome, looked to me like coulda been a wolf licking it's chops that town was consuming itself.

 

Can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Will go ahead and get some reads out, will prob not do a full reread or big WOT until tomorrow night (hopefully will still be alive).

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hazelkrs1

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Guess I might as well do em in the new trendy format, altho I personally prefer the color coded groups:

 

1. Thrax is town. Had an early scum read on him, but replacing out it looks like his inactivity was genuine, not him lurking as scum. Plus, as other reads have changed, just aint enough scum slots anymore for me. Who replaced him again btw? It's not updated on the OP
2. Len is town, altho I would like to see a lot more from him. Can't remember anything since his complaining about the thunderdome, which could have been genuine I suppose since it was a pretty derp move on Mynd's part. Altho I will say that if it wasn't for my scum read on Chae, I'd prob have him as scum.
4. Dawn NotBob is
5. Tina is mafia. The fence-sitting posts she had during the thunderdome fit to a T how I'd expect mafia to react to a town-town thunderdome, acting indecisive and stuff.
6. Turin is town. I think his reactions throughout the thunderdome were spot on for how I'd expect town!Turin to act, and his reaction to Mynd's flip supports this as well. Would be very surprised to see him flip scum.
7. Despo is town like a baller and a shotcaller, even tho he drives a Kia not an Impala :tongue:
8. Hally is mafia. Her Governor claim looks unbelievable scummy to me- looked like she was trying to confirm herself by looking like she was acting in town's best interests. Were she town, I think she would have just used her ability instead and THEN claimed it. Acting all democratic about it is just as transparent as it gets.
9. Chae is mafia. Her defense of Thane is just way too questionable. First says he looks scummy but she won't vote him cause it's Thane, so meta, then when Thane acts even scummier she starts setup talk and introduces possibility of third party. Wowzors.
10. Ithi is town. Her aggressive tone and emotive responses all look too genuine to me to have come from mafia!Ithi. I will have to say I'm kinda tinfoiling slightly due to the fact that she flip flopped on Thane, but then I prob would have reacted in a similar way due to Mynd's behavior.
11. Thane is mafia. The most obvious one in the thread imo. Should be our next lynch hands down. And yes, I know I'm saying this during the night and setting myself up for a frame job, but meh. I'm that confident he'll flip scum. Once his tail was saved by Mynd, he completely ducked out of the game. Scumflip on him would also give us more info on peeps like Chae and Csarmi.
12. Tsuki is town, altho he DID seem somewhat bemused during the thunderdome. If I'm wrong about other reads, I'd def have to revisit him. His early passion seemed very townie however.
13. Dice is town, he also displayed some great WIM and passion while pushing for Thane's lynch. Looked like the Dice I saw in... aaargh what game was it... where he took Tom on. Prob one of my most confident reads.
14. Charis/BFG is town. Mostly due to her confidence in CCing Thane, which didn't prove Thane to be mafia imo, but it DID just about confirm BFG. Scum!BFG claiming VT to get town!Thane lynched there would have been moronic- plus she removed the chance of saving herself down the road by whipping out a juicy role claim.
15. Pral is town, mostly due to not enough scum slots, plus I think I recall an early town read on him from acting casual at the start. Might have to reread him however, don't remember much from him during the thunderdome.
16. Salami is town most likely, altho should Chae turn out to be scum I'd have to tinfoil on him. Altho fake claiming miller as scum would be out of character for him, he does have a tendency to change meta as mafia, and his play has been extremely casual this game, hasn't really backed up many of his reads very well.

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Why doesn't it make sense Hallia? You were trying to act like you were confirmed town after claiming Governor, knowing that the announced twilight would confirm your claim, and imo you were white knighting Ithi and Mynd during their showdown. You also flip flopped on Ithi a LOT this game, and she's been one of your only scum reads. For one of your only scum reads, to continuously say you'd save her if others said so, struck me as completely disingenuine, and you trying to look like town's best bud.

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Baker Street was tense. There were rumours of Holmes facing a dire threat. So the crew of street urchins known as the Baker Street Irregulars sprang into action. They were always watching for any of Moriarty's organisation to catch them in the act. Wiggins felt sure that he had found one. So he attacked that person, but before he could engage them in combat, he was pulled back by the crowd. "You're no really Wiggins," someone claimed. Another fellow said he had the wrong suspect. No matter how many times he tried to free himself, they always pulled him back. When he made one final lunge at his target with a knife, they pulled him down and killed him in a frenzy of mistaken violence. But in the end, the one they killed was wearing no disguise. It was really Wiggins.

 

Mynd, Wiggins, Town 1-shot gladiator, has been lynched.

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Your mafia reads coincide with mine, Des, but I'm mafia? That makes no sense.

Did you actually give a full set of reads? I must have missed it.

No, still on mah mobile at work, but I did have Thane AND Tina listed as scum reads.

 

Meh, if they kill me fine, I'll flip town and I'll be validated.

 

If not I still have my shots

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